@@jasonshults368 being cops, preachers, judges, politicians, lawyers, doctors, generals, CEOs, BANKERS, media, kings, queens, sales, etc.. are favorite jobs for narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths that 💘 power and 💵, 💘 to dictate how others live and die, and 💘 to be admired and adored like GODS.. 💯💯
Misconduct as reported and investigated by who? The real problem with LEO misconduct is that THEY are the ones who decide what is and isn't misconduct, and when it "needs to be reported"!
The database is designed to keep the well-trained law obeying slaves happy that their masters is doing something.. It's like the do not call list.. 😂😂 And guess how much 💵💵 it's gonna cost the slaves?? 😂😂😂
And to think for 30 or so years they've been using databases to track things as petty as parking tickets, but only now are they getting around to updating their methods to track vastly more severe infractions.
You can also think that for even much more years private businesses were using references when hiring. Your resume tells where you worked. Call and ask, maybe after getting applicant's consent. No nationwide databases needed.
@@vadr1651 Video calling now adds another nuance. To some degree hiring departments can be better 'crap detectors' when they're talking to previous employers. But add something to the resume... a national database of cops and what departments they worked for so they can't hide any.
@@jibberscrabst1114 It's not easy to hide. If your resume shows a gap for several years, I will ask what were you doing, and even if you lie in response, this will be red flag anyways - like it is in private sector. If there's no gap, then I get your consent to call and ask. If you deny consent, bye. The bottom line, if I actually do want to find out about you, I will. Especially now, when all it takes to find any cop's misdeed is google search. Plus there are numerous commercial services that find out anything about anyone, widely used by landlords and private employers. If I claim that I'm helpless without nationwide database, it means that I do not want to find out, and if so, I will not find anything no matter how many databases you equip me with. In fact, the database may make things worse: if PD's become limited to using this database as the only source, rather than the plethora of above-mentioned others, it will be much easier to block it. You can't remove information from internet , but you can put provision in your union contract that it will be blocked in the database subject to certain conditions.
If it goes on my permanent record, why shouldn't it go on theirs!?! Additionally, it should be available to courts so if they are ever charged with a crime, it will show a history of corruption!
I seem to remember hearing about a cop who wasn't fired, but the judge refused to have him as a witness - because he habitually lied under oath. (And how's that working out for you, dude?)
@missulu....If I'm investigated for a possible crime, and then found no evidence of a crime and released, how come there is still a record of being investigated ??🤔
@@coffeepeachesplans I believe darkstar is referring to the records police keep on people in the community. They keep files on people, even juveniles who become adults. This includes juveniles who were never convicted of anything. I'm not making this up. It's routine procedure in most departments.
We need a law to come out , once a cop clocks in , he or her cannot turn off or mute the body camera, it should become a criminal offence if they do & should be sacked on the Spot or face a criminal charge
@@Iron-and-strings Bro! Please stop with this stupid argument, the only thing we're comcerned about is when an arrest takes place. If it is really that big of a deal you can just hit the fast forward button to get to the time of the arrest. Please for the love of God stop saying that so cops can have some reason to be able to turn off their body cam.
@@Iron-and-strings You are correct. No personal phone calls while working, similar to every employee policy in this country. There is no federal law (or statute in my state, Florida) mandating meal or rest breaks. If an officer sees someone breaking the law in a bathroom, are they allowed to arrest them and use evidence gathered from the bathroom, including body cameras? Yes. Body cameras should never be disabled. Police officers are acting as the Executive authority of their government, thus deserve absolutely no "private" communications while working, like everyone else.
@@Iron-and-strings do u know just how much these guys have to take off for to shit or piss The camera can come off to and be set aside but then put right back on as for personal phone calls I dont know about u but I never had a job where i could take or make personal calls with out my time being dock in no les then 10 min chucks with one sec over 10 min being another 10 min So office worker try again
It's a start, a little weak, but a start. There should be a REQUIRED national database, and make it required screening PRIOR to hiring any law enforcement, at any level. They try to say it would be too difficult, BUT look at how the credit reporting agencies do it. It may not be perfect, but look at what it costs EVERY individual depending on what is in their credit report. Why isn't our safety and freedom as important as our money?
That crosses the separation of federal and state govetnment agencies. If that were to happen, it might be tied to stipulations for funding, a la the interstate system.
It sounds good but supervisors will resort to putting only the worse offenses on record. Also, we need to stop allowing departments investigate themself or other departments.
I've often said in SC, the SCLED investigates when a citizen is killed by local law enforcement - I don't recall a single case where the locals were found IN THE WRONG???? NO ONE CAN TRUST A SYSTEM LIKE THIS.
Who should investigate them? Who will fill those positions when they open? Who will be qualified to? (I'm not arguing with you, but asking you to think through the consequences of your suggestions.)
@@TheRealScooterGuyit happens all the time. OSHA investigates workers accidents, child services investigates parents, cops investigates citizens. There is no reason a state agency couldn't do the same. Make all findings public record.
it needs to be investigated by outside agencies truth be told, not the department it happened from, there needs to be a new agency where their mission is to investigate problematic officers
I can't imagine it being any more difficult than what is being done to share driver's licenses between states. It will be necessary to ban the whole "We investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves (and our friends) of any wrongdoing", first.
The only thing different is maybe this database will help them keep their jobs and even get promoted for some of the ones that do a bad job like Lisa Bang
You need a video camera rolling at all times these days then publish the video and post links all over town. Send a link to the feds, not that they would really care but you can say you did. I run a front/rear dash cam and can swivel it around to record any interaction from driver or passenger side as needed.
This needs to include local Law enforcement because this is where a majority of these sorts of things that go on. It should also include prosecutors and judges. It should also be made public so everyone can identify the offenders. Those on the list should never be allowed to wear the uniform and carry a weapon, prosecute crimes, and sit on the judges seat.
Most police chiefs do not take misconduct complaints to begin with and will arrest you for trying to file one. The Jerseyville, IL PD refused to take misconduct complaints on 3 occasions, and threatened me with arrest if I tried to file another one. Then they started the harassment and felonies, including killing an employee's child for carrying a Bible on a public sidewalk, stopping and searching everyone walking or driving to my business, falsifying police reports, bomb threats to search and many more. Even if they did take them, the complaint will just go into the trash can. I had to file misconduct complaints on 2 State Police assigned to the IL Gaming Gang, 1 of them was retired soon after. I was licensed to repair the IL Gaming Machines and this bad cop detained me for giving advice to other technicians on my own property. The technicians were there for over 3 hours and could not fix the machine. All they had to do was cycle power to it and that takes less than 5 minutes. "Get over here and sit down." under threat of arrest. Bitch, you ain't my mama... I should have sued her and the ISP. I caught the other one telling an employee that she did not have to do her assigned work. He got a complaint filed on him too, don't know what ever happened to him. All these criminals do is cover for each other and the corrupt judges go along with it. Illinois is extremely bad about cover ups and bad judges.
This shows us the source of the problem. Having and investigating the complaints makes 'trouble' for the departments, since there's little external oversight. Lehto mentioned that some of these can turn into lawsuits. That's very few, and when they do, I see them use the lack of record of complaints as a defense.
My observation from YT vids and local news is that many of the "women with badges and guns" are afraid of their shadows - a prime example happened in the Midwest somewhere when a woman cop shot a man DEAD while he was cuffed and there were several cops there and only this one guy. Many of the vids show women who display pathologic personalities when they do such things as tazing a handcuffed guy multiple times. I guess no one has done a study since it might show that women are generally not suited for police jobs - something that TV shows might not convey.
In the military, you can't be discharged while undergoing a court martial. You're retained for the duration of not just the court martial proceedings but your sentence as well. They should do the same thing for law enforcement- suspend them with pay if that's how it has to be done, but don't let them resign until the completion of any disciplinary proceedings.
This reeeally needs to apply to state and local. And yes. the investigation need to COMPLETE regardless where they go. Resignation should not be an escape route.
Exactly. If you get pulled over for suspected DUI and you refuse to let them investigate ( no blow or blood ), then they will arrest you and you will lose your license. Apply the same standards to them.
If you apply for a job in a private business, you give your resume with your previous places of work, and the business will call them and ask how you performed. It's routine process that had been going on for decades in millions of businesses without nationwide databases.
What you’re going to wind up doing is taking an already extremely difficult litigious job that it’s hard to find people to fill and making it exponentially more difficult to find candidates willing to subject themselves to the microscopic scrutiny, and the risk of losing everything because some angry person in the community decided that they didn’t like law-enforcement, taking crazy uncle Ernie to jail, and dedicated their life to coming up with a way to screw them over.
I asked X's Grok about the possibility of creating the same database for politicians and political appointees in the DOJ, etc. Grok said there were not enough computing resources on the planet and contact with an advanced extraterrestrial civilization would be the only hope.
Law-enforcement is a career where if you aren’t getting complaints you probably aren’t doing your job properly. That’s the reality. Imagine being a narcotics detective making a righteous bust, recovering $200,000 and sending the drug dealers to jail for 10 years but those same angry vengeful drug dealers with nothing to do but plot revenge file lawsuit against the arresting officer, claiming that it was actually $240,000 that was sitting on that coffee table and the cops must have pocketed the other 40 grand, this goes to the third-party investigative agency staffed by people who hate the cops and are looking for any possible excuse to get them all in trouble and they look into the case, see that the arresting officer bought a new car last month and find in favor of the plaintiff. Now that detective has the black mark on their record, is fired and unable to work in law enforcement anywhere in the country ever again. Guess what happens next time a detective wants to make a righteous bust…… they remember the cautionary tale of old Bob, who had spent the last decade, saving up to buy his wife, a new car, only to get falsely accused and lose his job, his pension, and his livelihood, and they are hesitant to do it because they’re worried about their career This becomes a cumulative problem Every single time an officer gets the book thrown at them in a frivolous lawsuit until pretty soon Officers aren’t doing their job anymore for fear of the repercussions if they get sued.
Thirty three years of practice? That's a long time. When do you estimate you'll be ready start being a lawyer. 😊 Thank you Mr Lehto for the entertaining and informative content.
What about all of those law enforcement complaints where they investigate their own selves and family no nothing wrong? When regular people do not sue the police but file a complaint with the Attorney General, or their office, they investigate themselves and it’s never reported to anyone.
When I saw the title of the video my first thought was that they were trying to keep track of their high-scores. Like maybe if they got more than a hundred complaints in a year they'd get a pizza party or something. I do agree that this definitely something that is needed at the state level, though honestly the fact that it isn't already in place is completely insane to me. You said about that judge "It's a very sad story. He's no longer with us." but I really don't see what's sad about that. The man (and the word is used very lightly) used his position and authority to coerce women into sleeping with him in exchange for their freedom. There's a word for that, four letters and starts with R. As far as I'm concerned, no matter what happened to him it's far less than what he deserved. Happily though what did happen to him means he won't be able to victimize anyone else.
Investigations can be viewed through 2 lenses; one that seeks to punish the party reaponaible and another that seeks to learn from the incident. Abandoning investigations upon resignation ignores the latter.
@@davidh9638 Who knows? The offending officer? We aren't in their heads, but repeat offenders tend not to learn. Departments need to learn. Many officers can learn if the investigations have integrity. Officers who can't learn need a new career.
Instead of being barred from staying due to an investigation that could end badly for them ... The investigation should be completed either way. Therefore, it would bar them from leaving to have any hope of remaining an officer.
First of all, kudos to the Justice Department for taking the action. Second of all, I think they could model their system after the one the FMCSA uses for professional drivers. Truckers used to hop from job to job or from state to state for licensing when they were running afoul from the law. CSA scores fixed that for us. Drivers have a score and that score affects his/her current employer as well. No one is going to hire you if you are an insurance claim waiting to happen. It’s not a perfect system, but it weeds out the bad apples. Law enforcement needs a similar system.
Like when Pennsylvania made a database of doctors who prescribe a lot of opioids so the public could know to avoid them. You can guess what actually happened🤣
If a *Cop resigns while an investigation is pending, automatically presume the cop is guilty by default* Just how if a defendant is absent from court and declared lost by default
I like it if we allow for a few things. In court, they have to no-show to get a default. If the cop skips out, yeah, they need an adverse decision. If they resign and cooperate with the investigation, that investigation could continue. That allows for retirements, family changes, etc, as long as they stay in touch.
There could be many legitimate reasons why someone would resign. If a cop resigns the investigation should continue unless the outcome if found guilty is very minor. Then they should be recorded as having resigned whilst under investigation for a minor infringement.
@@johnclements6614 I can see that. Sort of a caveat for things that are too little to resign over and too little to keep investigating. And yeah, they still need records.
You are correct. It's not broad enough. There are tons of people we expect to be on some level above reproach. At the end of the day they are human and make mistakes.
They do. It is from the government that they work for who is responsible. Doctors, insurance agents, etc., are private enterprises, the police as government employees are not. Would you have other government workers such as sanitation crews, firefighters, road crews and so on carry personal liability insurance?
@@tvc1848 Most of those employees do not have direct contact with members of the public in an imbalanced way. Police can quickly and easily make a poor situation worse, but by leaving it up to actuaries what value they assign to an officer, it leaves the general public with something scientific and not feelings based. The department can still pay for the policy, but when a particular officer’s premium is 200% higher than average, they know that there is a potentiality severe issue.
So who’s gonna pay for that? All you’re going to do is incentivize lawyers to go track down people to file claims against cops so they can get that sweet sweet insurance money which is just gonna drive the premiums through the roof which is going to require anyone who works in law enforcement to get paid six figures to start the job so they can afford the insurance to keep getting sued for doing their job. At the end of the day lawyers, get rich, lawsuits go through the roof, and the public ends up paying for it all by having to pay officers more money to cover this expense
Agreed! HR completes investigations regardless if the employee still works there or not, and if its investigation includes external or 3rd party contractors. Your points make total sense!
That's exactly what happened to me too I guess I'm not unique Only thing is, mine became night patrolman in my hometown with a raise according to chief of Pendleton Indiana
Actually, the federal database should be expanded to track state officers, at the discretion of the state. The problem with many state databases is that the state government might not support this where the law enforcement agency might, and if an officer relocates to another state, that other state may not have access to the officers previous states database. Having a single registry for all law enforcement delinquents would greatly simplify the process, and increase use. Regardless, this is great news!
Setting example. Normalizing the idea. It is a start. Absolutely spot on sir. As usual. I stumbled on to an Illinois or perhaps it was just Chicago data set that listed every officer. Completely transparent. I was stunned. It needs to happen. Accountability. Officers will behave better. There humans.
I think they wouldn't have to do this if the higher-ups fired and decertified them at the first misconduct. if they don't care about cameras and still do what they do and want to do, nothing will change. just more money to start something that will never happen! THANKS STEVE! keep up the good work, love your show. 😎👍✌
Imagine what they would have to pay your entry-level patrol officer to risk getting into a career where you can get shot and killed at the drop of a hat, but you can also be decertified, barred from working and lose your livelihood, because an angry person in the community filed a complaint against you for doing your job. You do realize that the level of false accusations against police officers is astronomically high, right? More often than not complaints are unfounded and are used as a nuisance to try to get back at the officer for lawfully doing their job.
Now we're almost to the point where we can have a.i. watch all of the old camera videos (all of them) and report misconduct. It can be reviewed by a human, and go from there.
So...they'll investigate themselves....and find no wrongdoing. How is that different than what happens now? Just more window dressing, designed to make people think something is being done while they just continue business as usual.
@@user-no1cares Gee, You're aging well😂 Yeah, I noticed that my comment disappeared along with 2 others just after I entered it, but only mine and one other came back, then there was a count of 5 for about a minute, but with only 2 showing🤷♂ I also had other hiccups with TH-cam today, where my subscriptions(in left column) disappeared for about a half an hour, then came back. Wish TH-cam would fix the problems they have instead of introducing new "features" like the "for you" recommendations on channel main pages.
Civilian oversight? Wait - I actually meant oversight by We the People, or the public. It doesn't even make sense to say that state police should investigate the county sheriff - or whatever. So, to whom does that buck get passed?
What I hope is that state governments will look into seeing about reviewing and adding their own bad actors into this. Especially given the recent news that AZ state has a compiled list that has 3/4 of their police on the Brady List. Inspires confidence that up to 75% of the cops in this country could be on a local Brady List that never gets shared above a city or county level.
They've had truck driver data bases for almost 40 years, later tied to the CDL program around '91, my first class chauffer background showed I got a ticket for mini bike no plate 14 years old ( only mark) we should have responsible truckers but what's good for the goose..
before i start watching, , the title of the video, how the blazes is this not already a thing to begin with?! and secondly, yes, more police policing themselves, big thug promises to watch their little thugs a little closer. This changes nothing. i'm not ACAB crowd, but i think the system is super broken and in need of major overhaul. I now shall hit play and continue watching. Thanks for the content love it!
Ive been asking for this for years. Should be all law enforcement, and should have to be referenced before hiring a law enforcement officer, if they hire someone with a bad record its fully on the new employer for disciplinary issue.
I was on the management team for several facilities of a major United States retailer, where i encountered the same issues with hourly store transfers between locations. Rather than perform the extra work of detailing an employee's inadequacy for continued employment, they would let it linger until the employee felt the time was near. At that point, said employee would simply transfer to another location with glowing reviews from the first location. Imagine that.
Having a database like this for ALL cops is a step in the right direction, but until there are repercussions attached to these records nothing will change. I also think there should be records for any and all negative actions recorded for all cops. I do agree that all investigations should be taken all the way to completion. Plus, all officer complaints need to be filed at the cops jurisdiction, but a copy of all complaints need to also be recorded on the database and a copy of the receipt of the complaint needs to be sent to the complainant, so they know it was received.
Lawyers and law enforcement aren't the only professions that need this kind of tracking. My ex-son in law is a schoolteacher who has been sanctioned in no less that seven school districts. All that ever happened to him, was that he was told he could not go back into a classroom, and they paid out his contract for several months. Then another school district hired him. The allegations against him were sexual in nature, but likely at the grooming stage rather that active, provable crimes. School districts need to check these people out more thoroughly. For heavens sake, our church does more due diligence for a Sunday school teacher than the school districts.
A good start. Another thing that would be good for law enforcement would be to standardize the education and licensing required to work in any law enforcement job. Based upon the actions of the many bad actors seem to indicate a lack of proper education and incidental to many of these displaying or lacking the proper mental set for one in law enforcement... when peoples' lives and livelyhood could be negatively affected in a major way by poor conduct, this doesn't seem like an unreasonable request. Thanks for another engaging presentation!
I'm curious why the insurance companies haven't pushed for a data base for problem cops yet. They base everyone's insurance rates on past history of performance or problems. " We will be increasing your city's insurance rate by 30% due to your last hire of a problematic law enforcement officer" .
Is this a case of, _It's the thought that counts_ ? Because honestly, I'll have to see it to believe it... And not just once and awhile. How's that supposed "Brady's List" coming along?! One thing I"ll never understand, how they don't seem to work for the people, who pay them. _Merry Christmas All_
A friend of mine just got a job with a New York State agency and he had to sign up for a monitoring program. The program is notified if he gets pulled over in his own car, issued any tickets or offences with DMV. Also, it gets reported for any criminal activity. Don't know if NYS law enforcement officers must sign up for same program.
WHAT'S BEWILDERING... Is 246 out of 1,600 Denver Police officers are on the Brady list yet still active within the department. So it's not, in my opinion, a good endorsement of the department. More disturbing is that the "court" will apply more creditability to any office over that of a civilian.
I'm sure states will as they should. The problem I see in law enforcement right now is people is no body applying. The job is not wanted like it once was. When I started applying for police jobs in the early 90's there were 5-10 job openings each month with hundreds applying in my state. when retiring there were closer to 100 each mother with very few applicants. I know a local chief in a small department who told me who put out a notice of an opening and received zero applications. So many departments have a choice. Either hire risky people or hire no one. So I think before someone wants to fix the problem of having officers that make bad choices you probably need to fix this problem.
We do have the Brady list but they are hesitant to put people on it. Also other agencies don’t seem to care. Look at Coffee City, Texas they thrive on poor behavior officers.
My experience 2001 to 2006 here in Minnesota with officers from multiple police departments harassing me and trying to frame me would have been all over the news had I went public with it.
Well sounds like this is only for Federal police officers not regular police. The Brady list needs to be posted in every station and we need a nation wide list to keep track of all police officer misconduct.
The ability to have authority and jump from place to place after causing harm to the community is a sociopaths dream.
So you didn't know narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths have been running the show for ages?? 😂😂
They're certainly following the Catholic priest model.
That's a falsity they spread all officer misconduct is a crime and it looks good to have closed cases so this actually helps them bounce around more
@@jasonshults368 being cops, preachers, judges, politicians, lawyers, doctors, generals, CEOs, BANKERS, media, kings, queens, sales, etc.. are favorite jobs for narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths that 💘 power and 💵, 💘 to dictate how others live and die, and 💘 to be admired and adored like GODS.. 💯💯
@@jasonshults368wow...I got shadow banned for making a similar comment on TH-cam a year ago about cops the Boyscouts and the Catholic church.
Misconduct as reported and investigated by who? The real problem with LEO misconduct is that THEY are the ones who decide what is and isn't misconduct, and when it "needs to be reported"!
This database will give them Media Immunity and clear their records to create more glowies.
Stay positive 👍🏻
No doubt. More Smoke & Mirrors.
The database is designed to keep the well-trained law obeying slaves happy that their masters is doing something.. It's like the do not call list.. 😂😂
And guess how much 💵💵 it's gonna cost the slaves?? 😂😂😂
The real problem is they do half ass imposter investigating to boost their numbers and make matters worse when they don't actually have any accounting
Finally! They should have been held accountable PERIOD. This needs to be for Every Local and state agency
Biden is the one who created this DB.
Really.. Let's keep VOTING for the RACKET to be your masters then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😂😂
They did this is just a new shell to cover it up actually
But not the corrupt feds?
And how is this going to be any better than the reporting they are already required to do but evade?
And to think for 30 or so years they've been using databases to track things as petty as parking tickets, but only now are they getting around to updating their methods to track vastly more severe infractions.
You can also think that for even much more years private businesses were using references when hiring. Your resume tells where you worked. Call and ask, maybe after getting applicant's consent. No nationwide databases needed.
this is true.
The drug store tracks me every time I buy Sudafed for my sinus issues! Gotta show ID and be entered into their database. 🙄
@@vadr1651 Video calling now adds another nuance. To some degree hiring departments can be better 'crap detectors' when they're talking to previous employers. But add something to the resume... a national database of cops and what departments they worked for so they can't hide any.
@@jibberscrabst1114 It's not easy to hide. If your resume shows a gap for several years, I will ask what were you doing, and even if you lie in response, this will be red flag anyways - like it is in private sector. If there's no gap, then I get your consent to call and ask. If you deny consent, bye. The bottom line, if I actually do want to find out about you, I will. Especially now, when all it takes to find any cop's misdeed is google search. Plus there are numerous commercial services that find out anything about anyone, widely used by landlords and private employers. If I claim that I'm helpless without nationwide database, it means that I do not want to find out, and if so, I will not find anything no matter how many databases you equip me with. In fact, the database may make things worse: if PD's become limited to using this database as the only source, rather than the plethora of above-mentioned others, it will be much easier to block it. You can't remove information from internet , but you can put provision in your union contract that it will be blocked in the database subject to certain conditions.
Law enforcement seems to like registries, let's include the states in this database as well. If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.
If it goes on my permanent record, why shouldn't it go on theirs!?! Additionally, it should be available to courts so if they are ever charged with a crime, it will show a history of corruption!
I seem to remember hearing about a cop who wasn't fired, but the judge refused to have him as a witness - because he habitually lied under oath. (And how's that working out for you, dude?)
So you would not want them to do this special database for cops to evade the same records check you would have received
@missulu....If I'm investigated for a possible crime, and then found no evidence of a crime and released, how come there is still a record of being investigated ??🤔
@@darkstar8827 there's only a record of being arrested this sounds more like an internal record they want to keep to make hiring decisions
@@coffeepeachesplans I believe darkstar is referring to the records police keep on people in the community. They keep files on people, even juveniles who become adults. This includes juveniles who were never convicted of anything. I'm not making this up. It's routine procedure in most departments.
We need a law to come out , once a cop clocks in , he or her cannot turn off or mute the body camera, it should become a criminal offence if they do & should be sacked on the Spot or face a criminal charge
So, no bathroom breaks or personal phone calls?
@@Iron-and-strings Bro! Please stop with this stupid argument, the only thing we're comcerned about is when an arrest takes place. If it is really that big of a deal you can just hit the fast forward button to get to the time of the arrest. Please for the love of God stop saying that so cops can have some reason to be able to turn off their body cam.
@@Iron-and-stringsnaw they’ll throw a break in there for you to do your gobbling job. Don’t do too good of a job or their break will be cut short 🤣
@@Iron-and-strings You are correct. No personal phone calls while working, similar to every employee policy in this country.
There is no federal law (or statute in my state, Florida) mandating meal or rest breaks. If an officer sees someone breaking the law in a bathroom, are they allowed to arrest them and use evidence gathered from the bathroom, including body cameras? Yes.
Body cameras should never be disabled. Police officers are acting as the Executive authority of their government, thus deserve absolutely no "private" communications while working, like everyone else.
@@Iron-and-strings do u know just how much these guys have to take off for to shit or piss The camera can come off to and be set aside but then put right back on
as for personal phone calls I dont know about u but I never had a job where i could take or make personal calls with out my time being dock in no les then 10 min chucks with one sec over 10 min being another 10 min
So office worker try again
It's a start, a little weak, but a start. There should be a REQUIRED national database, and make it required screening PRIOR to hiring any law enforcement, at any level. They try to say it would be too difficult, BUT look at how the credit reporting agencies do it. It may not be perfect, but look at what it costs EVERY individual depending on what is in their credit report. Why isn't our safety and freedom as important as our money?
That crosses the separation of federal and state govetnment agencies. If that were to happen, it might be tied to stipulations for funding, a la the interstate system.
And I bet you didn't know SCOTUS has ruled repeatedly that the RACKET ain't responsible for your safety.. 💯💯
There are already national and international databases they created since the 90s they just lied for their friends and family to not lose jobs as cops
Maybe a private company with web crawler to gather the information
You answered the question right there. They can't steal your safety and freedom for themselves, but they can take your money.
It sounds good but supervisors will resort to putting only the worse offenses on record. Also, we need to stop allowing departments investigate themself or other departments.
I've often said in SC, the SCLED investigates when a citizen is killed by local law enforcement - I don't recall a single case where the locals were found IN THE WRONG???? NO ONE CAN TRUST A SYSTEM LIKE THIS.
Who should investigate them? Who will fill those positions when they open? Who will be qualified to? (I'm not arguing with you, but asking you to think through the consequences of your suggestions.)
@@TheRealScooterGuy Independent investigators should investigate police when accused of wrong doing. Not a police department.
@@TheRealScooterGuyit happens all the time. OSHA investigates workers accidents, child services investigates parents, cops investigates citizens. There is no reason a state agency couldn't do the same. Make all findings public record.
it needs to be investigated by outside agencies truth be told, not the department it happened from, there needs to be a new agency where their mission is to investigate problematic officers
I can't imagine it being any more difficult than what is being done to share driver's licenses between states. It will be necessary to ban the whole "We investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves (and our friends) of any wrongdoing", first.
The only thing different is maybe this database will help them keep their jobs and even get promoted for some of the ones that do a bad job like Lisa Bang
You need a video camera rolling at all times these days then publish the video and post links all over town. Send a link to the feds, not that they would really care but you can say you did. I run a front/rear dash cam and can swivel it around to record any interaction from driver or passenger side as needed.
@@robert5 you may need cameras but you still need facts
I bet you didn't know driver license was not required until the late 1960s.. 💯💯
This needs to include local Law enforcement because this is where a majority of these sorts of things that go on. It should also include prosecutors and judges. It should also be made public so everyone can identify the offenders. Those on the list should never be allowed to wear the uniform and carry a weapon, prosecute crimes, and sit on the judges seat.
Definitely need the LEO database as well.
Most police chiefs do not take misconduct complaints to begin with and will arrest you for trying to file one.
The Jerseyville, IL PD refused to take misconduct complaints on 3 occasions, and threatened me with arrest if I tried to file another one.
Then they started the harassment and felonies, including killing an employee's child for carrying a Bible on a public sidewalk, stopping and searching everyone walking or driving to my business, falsifying police reports, bomb threats to search and many more.
Even if they did take them, the complaint will just go into the trash can.
I had to file misconduct complaints on 2 State Police assigned to the IL Gaming Gang, 1 of them was retired soon after.
I was licensed to repair the IL Gaming Machines and this bad cop detained me for giving advice to other technicians on my own property.
The technicians were there for over 3 hours and could not fix the machine.
All they had to do was cycle power to it and that takes less than 5 minutes.
"Get over here and sit down." under threat of arrest.
Bitch, you ain't my mama... I should have sued her and the ISP.
I caught the other one telling an employee that she did not have to do her assigned work.
He got a complaint filed on him too, don't know what ever happened to him.
All these criminals do is cover for each other and the corrupt judges go along with it.
Illinois is extremely bad about cover ups and bad judges.
If you have resistance to filing reports against the police (city, county, state), stop filing there and report to your state's ombudsman office.
OMG that’s crazy sad
This shows us the source of the problem. Having and investigating the complaints makes 'trouble' for the departments, since there's little external oversight. Lehto mentioned that some of these can turn into lawsuits. That's very few, and when they do, I see them use the lack of record of complaints as a defense.
@@JasonW.how, exactly, is an office on aging supposed to help?
My observation from YT vids and local news is that many of the "women with badges and guns" are afraid of their shadows - a prime example happened in the Midwest somewhere when a woman cop shot a man DEAD while he was cuffed and there were several cops there and only this one guy. Many of the vids show women who display pathologic personalities when they do such things as tazing a handcuffed guy multiple times. I guess no one has done a study since it might show that women are generally not suited for police jobs - something that TV shows might not convey.
In the military, you can't be discharged while undergoing a court martial. You're retained for the duration of not just the court martial proceedings but your sentence as well. They should do the same thing for law enforcement- suspend them with pay if that's how it has to be done, but don't let them resign until the completion of any disciplinary proceedings.
This reeeally needs to apply to state and local. And yes. the investigation need to COMPLETE regardless where they go. Resignation should not be an escape route.
Exactly. If you get pulled over for suspected DUI and you refuse to let them investigate ( no blow or blood ), then they will arrest you and you will lose your license. Apply the same standards to them.
*FINALLY!*
I hope they tweak this and make it a really positive change. It needs to carry across every single line.
If you apply for a job in a private business, you give your resume with your previous places of work, and the business will call them and ask how you performed. It's routine process that had been going on for decades in millions of businesses without nationwide databases.
It's better to save the money and prosecute them in the sand legal system they already have established for everyone
@@coffeepeachesplansYeah, keep wishing.
@@vadr1651That's great. They rarely give a damn.
@@section8usmc53 I don't have to wish I prefer facts
It’s a first step in the right direction but much, much more needs to be done. Particularly on the local law enforcement level.
What you’re going to wind up doing is taking an already extremely difficult litigious job that it’s hard to find people to fill and making it exponentially more difficult to find candidates willing to subject themselves to the microscopic scrutiny, and the risk of losing everything because some angry person in the community decided that they didn’t like law-enforcement, taking crazy uncle Ernie to jail, and dedicated their life to coming up with a way to screw them over.
I asked X's Grok about the possibility of creating the same database for politicians and political appointees in the DOJ, etc. Grok said there were not enough computing resources on the planet and contact with an advanced extraterrestrial civilization would be the only hope.
LOL!
I agree on following through with the investigation even after he leaves
If there is a lawsuit it should be in their jacket, win or lose
Law-enforcement is a career where if you aren’t getting complaints you probably aren’t doing your job properly. That’s the reality. Imagine being a narcotics detective making a righteous bust, recovering $200,000 and sending the drug dealers to jail for 10 years but those same angry vengeful drug dealers with nothing to do but plot revenge file lawsuit against the arresting officer, claiming that it was actually $240,000 that was sitting on that coffee table and the cops must have pocketed the other 40 grand, this goes to the third-party investigative agency staffed by people who hate the cops and are looking for any possible excuse to get them all in trouble and they look into the case, see that the arresting officer bought a new car last month and find in favor of the plaintiff. Now that detective has the black mark on their record, is fired and unable to work in law enforcement anywhere in the country ever again. Guess what happens next time a detective wants to make a righteous bust…… they remember the cautionary tale of old Bob, who had spent the last decade, saving up to buy his wife, a new car, only to get falsely accused and lose his job, his pension, and his livelihood, and they are hesitant to do it because they’re worried about their career This becomes a cumulative problem Every single time an officer gets the book thrown at them in a frivolous lawsuit until pretty soon Officers aren’t doing their job anymore for fear of the repercussions if they get sued.
Thirty three years of practice? That's a long time.
When do you estimate you'll be ready start being a lawyer. 😊
Thank you Mr Lehto for the entertaining and informative content.
Most of us would be more comfortable employing doctors and lawyers if they would quit referring to it as "practice."
Its going to take a long time for the justice department to gain the trust of the public after whats gone on over the last 3 years.
Oh, my; in my considered opinion, this sort of misbehavior has been going on for way longer than a mere 3 years.
@@writerinfact1768 fair enough.
What about all of those law enforcement complaints where they investigate their own selves and family no nothing wrong? When regular people do not sue the police but file a complaint with the Attorney General, or their office, they investigate themselves and it’s never reported to anyone.
Until we can set up outside agencies for these investigations, there's no solution to this.
Thanks Steve, this is the most important story you have done in a while, and I have great admiration for your excellent work, for all of us.
When I saw the title of the video my first thought was that they were trying to keep track of their high-scores. Like maybe if they got more than a hundred complaints in a year they'd get a pizza party or something. I do agree that this definitely something that is needed at the state level, though honestly the fact that it isn't already in place is completely insane to me.
You said about that judge "It's a very sad story. He's no longer with us." but I really don't see what's sad about that. The man (and the word is used very lightly) used his position and authority to coerce women into sleeping with him in exchange for their freedom. There's a word for that, four letters and starts with R. As far as I'm concerned, no matter what happened to him it's far less than what he deserved. Happily though what did happen to him means he won't be able to victimize anyone else.
Good stuff! This database needs state officers more than anything!
They need this on a local and state level
Investigations can be viewed through 2 lenses; one that seeks to punish the party reaponaible and another that seeks to learn from the incident. Abandoning investigations upon resignation ignores the latter.
They already know what they would learn.
@@davidh9638 Who knows? The offending officer? We aren't in their heads, but repeat offenders tend not to learn. Departments need to learn. Many officers can learn if the investigations have integrity. Officers who can't learn need a new career.
Ben is in front of the rear end of the Turbine Car
All public records should be automatically updated to a publicly accessible database to stop the runaround from public employees
it's about time. I've been filming cops for over 5 years. always shocked by what cops are willing to do and say ON camera.
Instead of being barred from staying due to an investigation that could end badly for them ... The investigation should be completed either way. Therefore, it would bar them from leaving to have any hope of remaining an officer.
First of all, kudos to the Justice Department for taking the action. Second of all, I think they could model their system after the one the FMCSA uses for professional drivers. Truckers used to hop from job to job or from state to state for licensing when they were running afoul from the law. CSA scores fixed that for us. Drivers have a score and that score affects his/her current employer as well. No one is going to hire you if you are an insurance claim waiting to happen. It’s not a perfect system, but it weeds out the bad apples. Law enforcement needs a similar system.
I wonder if the unions have anything to do with the lack of investigative pursuit?
This is a great first step. It needs to be more broad, and they need to finish the investigations like you say, but this is a start.
That will be how they figure out who to hire for themselves.
Like when Pennsylvania made a database of doctors who prescribe a lot of opioids so the public could know to avoid them. You can guess what actually happened🤣
*Awesome! I'm sure that THIS DATABASE will be MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE than the OTHER DATABASE.*
If a *Cop resigns while an investigation is pending, automatically presume the cop is guilty by default*
Just how if a defendant is absent from court and declared lost by default
In the Military if you are under investigation you are NOT allowed to get out until the investigation is closed. You're indefinitely retained.
I like it if we allow for a few things. In court, they have to no-show to get a default. If the cop skips out, yeah, they need an adverse decision. If they resign and cooperate with the investigation, that investigation could continue. That allows for retirements, family changes, etc, as long as they stay in touch.
There could be many legitimate reasons why someone would resign.
If a cop resigns the investigation should continue unless the outcome if found guilty is very minor. Then they should be recorded as having resigned whilst under investigation for a minor infringement.
@@johnclements6614 I can see that. Sort of a caveat for things that are too little to resign over and too little to keep investigating. And yeah, they still need records.
@@johnclements6614the penalty even for being found to have negligently shot and killed someone is often negligibly small.
You are correct. It's not broad enough. There are tons of people we expect to be on some level above reproach. At the end of the day they are human and make mistakes.
Police should all be required to carry liability insurance just like doctors, lawyers, insurance agents, engineers, etc.
They do. It is from the government that they work for who is responsible.
Doctors, insurance agents, etc., are private enterprises, the police as government employees are not.
Would you have other government workers such as sanitation crews, firefighters, road crews and so on carry personal liability insurance?
@@tvc1848
Most of those employees do not have direct contact with members of the public in an imbalanced way. Police can quickly and easily make a poor situation worse, but by leaving it up to actuaries what value they assign to an officer, it leaves the general public with something scientific and not feelings based. The department can still pay for the policy, but when a particular officer’s premium is 200% higher than average, they know that there is a potentiality severe issue.
So who’s gonna pay for that? All you’re going to do is incentivize lawyers to go track down people to file claims against cops so they can get that sweet sweet insurance money which is just gonna drive the premiums through the roof which is going to require anyone who works in law enforcement to get paid six figures to start the job so they can afford the insurance to keep getting sued for doing their job.
At the end of the day lawyers, get rich, lawsuits go through the roof, and the public ends up paying for it all by having to pay officers more money to cover this expense
Agreed! HR completes investigations regardless if the employee still works there or not, and if its investigation includes external or 3rd party contractors. Your points make total sense!
That's exactly what happened to me too
I guess I'm not unique
Only thing is, mine became night patrolman in my hometown with a raise according to chief of Pendleton Indiana
Great video. If you are looking for a $100 bill it is between your 71 car and the Chrysler Turbine car.
Actually, the federal database should be expanded to track state officers, at the discretion of the state.
The problem with many state databases is that the state government might not support this where the law enforcement agency might, and if an officer relocates to another state, that other state may not have access to the officers previous states database.
Having a single registry for all law enforcement delinquents would greatly simplify the process, and increase use.
Regardless, this is great news!
Setting example. Normalizing the idea. It is a start.
Absolutely spot on sir. As usual. I stumbled on to an Illinois or perhaps it was just Chicago data set that listed every officer. Completely transparent. I was stunned. It needs to happen. Accountability. Officers will behave better. There humans.
I’d like to see a report in a few years that shows the drop in reported misconduct from before this was implemented.
That would probably be an eye opener!!
Good idea Steve. Another suggestion is to have a special section on the Brady list for officers who leave during an investigation.
What about IRS agents?
That's a good start. They need to do that at the local level and also make it available to the public.
Just complete the investigations regardless of resignation...
I think they wouldn't have to do this if the higher-ups fired and decertified them at the first misconduct. if they don't care about cameras and still do what they do and want to do, nothing will change. just more money to start something that will never happen! THANKS STEVE! keep up the good work, love your show. 😎👍✌
Imagine what they would have to pay your entry-level patrol officer to risk getting into a career where you can get shot and killed at the drop of a hat, but you can also be decertified, barred from working and lose your livelihood, because an angry person in the community filed a complaint against you for doing your job.
You do realize that the level of false accusations against police officers is astronomically high, right? More often than not complaints are unfounded and are used as a nuisance to try to get back at the officer for lawfully doing their job.
"We checked the database we made that tells us if we did anything wrong, and it said we didn't."
One of your best videos by far! I say this because this is AMAZING and I have the same sentiments as you.
Will only work if they start self reporting and you know how well people self report
Interesting start. We'll see how well it works when citizens send a FOIA request 😮 And make sure the VA cops are included!
Now we're almost to the point where we can have a.i. watch all of the old camera videos (all of them) and report misconduct. It can be reviewed by a human, and go from there.
And the new excuse will become the AI didn't detect anything so they won't bother to investigate further.
Truth, and common sense / is an uphill battle these days . Thanks ahead, for all states who enact data base laws concerning this.
This should be a public accessible database.
Along these lines, you should check out the story of the Coffee City, TX police dept. 50 cops for a town of 250 people. Worth reporting about.
That's just another criminal syndicate. Boring. Right? 😄
So...they'll investigate themselves....and find no wrongdoing. How is that different than what happens now? Just more window dressing, designed to make people think something is being done while they just continue business as usual.
This should be in all 50 states, AND searchable by the public as OPEN RECORDS! 😁👍👍🇺🇸 Remember, service is a PRIVILEGE not a right! 😱😁😝🤪🤣👍👍🇺🇸
Ben’s behind #71.
I'm Back Baby...
Mornin' Bill
BTW Is the profile pic of you or your sprog?
@@Bobs-Wrigles5555 A recent photo of me. I dropped you congrats & a trophy for 1st but it vanished on my feed.
G’nite Bob.
@@user-no1cares Gee, You're aging well😂
Yeah, I noticed that my comment disappeared along with 2 others just after I entered it, but only mine and one other came back, then there was a count of 5 for about a minute, but with only 2 showing🤷♂
I also had other hiccups with TH-cam today, where my subscriptions(in left column) disappeared for about a half an hour, then came back.
Wish TH-cam would fix the problems they have instead of introducing new "features" like the "for you" recommendations on channel main pages.
This is a first step in the right direction. This makes accountability for your actions for police officers. Now if they would only do one for judges.
You just KNOW that the unions are gonna have a fit.
Yup.
Jimmy Hoffa is turning in his concrete grace.
Happy holidays! (--expand to all law enforcement AND to "all abuses of positions of authority or positions of trust" for some basic public trust...)
Databases are only as accurate as the Information entered. There needs to be a way to make sure police infractions are entered.
Civilian oversight? Wait - I actually meant oversight by We the People, or the public. It doesn't even make sense to say that state police should investigate the county sheriff - or whatever. So, to whom does that buck get passed?
This should be *everywhere* !!!
Start with the DOJ and FBI under current administration.
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Also include the IRS and its continuing agencies
Poor lonely simpleton 😂
Sounds like the judges needed to have accountable as well !...
Ben checking the length of the nose on #71, Steve's LHS
WIN!!! What a great thing to finally build.
It's a step in the right direction but as you stated the states need it more than anything.
What I hope is that state governments will look into seeing about reviewing and adding their own bad actors into this. Especially given the recent news that AZ state has a compiled list that has 3/4 of their police on the Brady List. Inspires confidence that up to 75% of the cops in this country could be on a local Brady List that never gets shared above a city or county level.
They've had truck driver data bases for almost 40 years, later tied to the CDL program around '91, my first class chauffer background showed I got a ticket for mini bike no plate 14 years old ( only mark) we should have responsible truckers but what's good for the goose..
I'm flabbergasted that they don't already have this.
Isn't the Brady list a state version of this?
I'm not sure if that is applicable for all States though.
before i start watching, , the title of the video, how the blazes is this not already a thing to begin with?! and secondly, yes, more police policing themselves, big thug promises to watch their little thugs a little closer. This changes nothing. i'm not ACAB crowd, but i think the system is super broken and in need of major overhaul. I now shall hit play and continue watching. Thanks for the content love it!
Ive been asking for this for years. Should be all law enforcement, and should have to be referenced before hiring a law enforcement officer, if they hire someone with a bad record its fully on the new employer for disciplinary issue.
I was on the management team for several facilities of a major United States retailer, where i encountered the same issues with hourly store transfers between locations. Rather than perform the extra work of detailing an employee's inadequacy for continued employment, they would let it linger until the employee felt the time was near. At that point, said employee would simply transfer to another location with glowing reviews from the first location. Imagine that.
Having a database like this for ALL cops is a step in the right direction, but until there are repercussions attached to these records nothing will change. I also think there should be records for any and all negative actions recorded for all cops. I do agree that all investigations should be taken all the way to completion. Plus, all officer complaints need to be filed at the cops jurisdiction, but a copy of all complaints need to also be recorded on the database and a copy of the receipt of the complaint needs to be sent to the complainant, so they know it was received.
It should be a state requirement to receive federal funding!
We need this across the board
yeah, nationwide and accessible by the public.
Finally!!!!!! Bad cops need to be blocked from serving at anything to do with police work.
Lawyers and law enforcement aren't the only professions that need this kind of tracking. My ex-son in law is a schoolteacher who has been sanctioned in no less that seven school districts. All that ever happened to him, was that he was told he could not go back into a classroom, and they paid out his contract for several months. Then another school district hired him. The allegations against him were sexual in nature, but likely at the grooming stage rather that active, provable crimes. School districts need to check these people out more thoroughly. For heavens sake, our church does more due diligence for a Sunday school teacher than the school districts.
A good start. Another thing that would be good for law enforcement would be to standardize the education and licensing required to work in any law enforcement job. Based upon the actions of the many bad actors seem to indicate a lack of proper education and incidental to many of these displaying or lacking the proper mental set for one in law enforcement... when peoples' lives and livelyhood could be negatively affected in a major way by poor conduct, this doesn't seem like an unreasonable request. Thanks for another engaging presentation!
I'm curious why the insurance companies haven't pushed for a data base for problem cops yet. They base everyone's insurance rates on past history of performance or problems.
" We will be increasing your city's insurance rate by 30% due to your last hire of a problematic law enforcement officer" .
Was curious regarding the judge in Steve's story. FYI - Found his name to be James (Skip) Scandirito.
Is this a case of, _It's the thought that counts_ ? Because honestly, I'll have to see it to believe it... And not just once and awhile.
How's that supposed "Brady's List" coming along?!
One thing I"ll never understand, how they don't seem to work for the people, who pay them.
_Merry Christmas All_
I agree. This should be done on a state, county, and city level, too. Good idea for earning the pulic trust. One bad apple.....
This is a single step in the right direction
A friend of mine just got a job with a New York State agency and he had to sign up for a monitoring program. The program is notified if he gets pulled over in his own car, issued any tickets or offences with DMV. Also, it gets reported for any criminal activity. Don't know if NYS law enforcement officers must sign up for same program.
Would be nice if states would actually report for their Brady lists ... 😕
WHAT'S BEWILDERING... Is 246 out of 1,600 Denver Police officers are on the Brady list yet still active within the department. So it's not, in my opinion, a good endorsement of the department. More disturbing is that the "court" will apply more creditability to any office over that of a civilian.
Accountability for all... what a concept!
I'm sure states will as they should. The problem I see in law enforcement right now is people is no body applying. The job is not wanted like it once was. When I started applying for police jobs in the early 90's there were 5-10 job openings each month with hundreds applying in my state. when retiring there were closer to 100 each mother with very few applicants. I know a local chief in a small department who told me who put out a notice of an opening and received zero applications. So many departments have a choice. Either hire risky people or hire no one. So I think before someone wants to fix the problem of having officers that make bad choices you probably need to fix this problem.
We do have the Brady list but they are hesitant to put people on it. Also other agencies don’t seem to care. Look at Coffee City, Texas they thrive on poor behavior officers.
A step in the right direction for sure
My experience 2001 to 2006 here in Minnesota with officers from multiple police departments harassing me and trying to frame me would have been all over the news had I went public with it.
Well sounds like this is only for Federal police officers not regular police. The Brady list needs to be posted in every station and we need a nation wide list to keep track of all police officer misconduct.
😢 And the police DEPARTMENT'S and judicial system wonder why we common people do not trust them.
It's going to be a long list !