Two minutes on...the Ophicleide
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John Elliot introduces a relatively rarely seen instrument - the Ophicleide, and talks about its role in Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique.
Filmed while on tour with Sir Roger Norrington, August 2013
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We have so little diversity in ensembles today.. it's as if innovation has stopped. Glad there seems to have been a resurgence of interest in instruments like these.
delighted to hear the sound of MY ophicleide, bought it in Paris for $20.00 in 1963 but never had the mouthpiece for it. It is exactly like this one played here, a Couesnon I think built in the 19th Century. Bravo!
Glad you enjoyed it! We just asked John Eliot and he says it's not the same instrument as far as he can tell. His is a Gautrot.
Would you be willing to sell it?
Actually, what Berlioz had in mind in this passage was to evoke directly the sound of the Dies Iræ chant exactly as it would have been performed in funeral liturgies in his day in France. The serpent and ophicleide were used to accompany chant, normally sung by men's voices, and it was at that time sung quite slowly, most likely at exactly the pace given them here by Berlioz. So this passage woild have evoked an immediate and unmistakable association in audiences of his day: funerals, death. But add to that the interpolated dance caricatures of this theme by the woodwinds and plucked strings, which, juxtaposed so tightly with the churchly funeral evocation, would have sounded quite incongruous and irreverent, aptly depicting the blasphemy of the witches' sabbath.
Bravo.A concise & very eloquent commentary.
shlice
Not exactly. Berlioz has them play in forte, the second time even in fortissimo, and gives an accent on every note. This alone prevents the whole thing to sound like a solemn chant, but Berlioz also doubles the line one octave lower in the bassoons. So if you have four bassons playing accented notes fortissimo in their lowest register, that is quite a bit of sound.
Gregorian chant was sung quite differently then than now. The smooth, flowing style known today was developed at the abbey of Solesmes years after Berlioz' Symphonie.
Great informative clip. My daughter who is 9 and does an optional music course, got this instrument for an oral. I had never heard of it. What a wonderful sound it makes.
I am sorry, but didn't H. Berlioz required a duet of a serpent and an ophicleide instead of 2 ophicliedes in his 5th movement of his Symphonic Fantastique?
After certain research, the Symphonic Fantastique was being reproduced two times. With the first edition of a duo of ophicleide and serpent, then two ophicleide, then two tubas, at the very last edition.
I wish there was a calling for this kind of music where I live! I want to play the Ophicleide!
The 32’ Contra Ophicleide on the pipe organ is one of the most powerful pedal reeds, it can bring some ceilings down
The antecedent the Serpent (bass Cornett or in German Zink) in Italy played the Dies Irae and the Ophicleide late performed the same in France. Berlioz originally score this movement for a Serpent and Ophcleide.
The famous sci-fi writer Theodore Sturgeon wrote a story called "And Now the News," in which an ophicleide appears rather prominently (at least, in the second half). Very funny story, and I think Sturgeon threw in the ophicleide just for comic effect.
TH-cam did it again a popup "Video paused. Continue watching?" I am watching all the O A E video 50+. Why pause TH-cam?
It's a common name for organ stops, too. The world's largest pipe organ in Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City NJ has the world's loudest organ stop, called the Grand Ophicleide. It's on 100" of wind pressure (3-5" is typical for organs, and most of this organ is on 15-25") and puts out about 138 decibels.
Adam Ahmed is the AC pipe organ really bigger than the former John Wanamaker (now Macy’s?) in Philadelphia?
I always wanted to see and hear that Instrument.
When euphonium and baritone saxophone have a child...
when tuba and bassoon have a child
Both of these attempts at humor are (ok... May be)....anachronistic
@@dougr.2398 Your attempt at pedantry is successful.
Maestro_T thank you! Your attempt at the perfect squelch is juvenile
Not possible. The saxophone was invented over 20 years after this monstrosity. OK, never mind that. How about mating a bari sax with a baritone horn, a member of the saxhorn family?
Some instrumets shouldn't go extinct
Thank you 'baritone saxophone'
Some should
Brylan Caldwell true
This is not one of them.
I personally love the Ophicleide and serpent
The English military bands played with the instrument horizontal according to Cecil Forscyth's 1914 Orchestration.
The Ophicleide's name sake as an organ stop can be very impressive. They do share one major trait, neither make good solo instruments...
they make excellent solo instruments, but not for traditional music.
It looks like a brass bassoon
It is similar
It also sounds like one!
brassoon
Ah! But that would be the SARRUSOPHONE. The French made all sorts of crazy brass instruments...
There was an instrument called the Russian Bassoon. It had a brass mouthpiece and bell (frequently with dragon/serpent head designs), but a wooden body like a bassoon's with regular finger holes.
Love this
Why would the lack of tubing affect the range? I would think it would just limit the chromaticism since range is achieved via partials on brass instruments.
Where is "Music Minus One" when one needs it?
Any chance of the OAE playing the precursor of the Ophicleide (Keyed Serpent) as in the Serpent (bass Zink aka bass Cornett)?
I enjoyed this introduction , but the decision to include background music while he was speaking was distracting.
Any chance of a video on the cembasso?
If this instrument were to somehow make a comeback, it ought to be renamed the flatulator.
Does this instrument have its own flavor of sound as compared to its replacement the tuba?
It's more sour
what will this sound like if it uses the bass/contrabass sax mouthpiece?
Pretty much like a saxophone. Adolphe Sax made ophicleides before inventing the saxophone, which was basically a matter of throwing a clarinet mouthpiece onto a modified 'cleide.
How do a tuba and an ophiclide differ playing the same notes?
The tuba has a much more fog-like sound due to its wider diameter of tubing and larger bore and mouthpiece.
Is the ophicleide of the organ imitative to it?
I thought it was only an organ stop, like a bourdon or a diapason.
Play it on the russian bassoon
Deniros brother!
1:33 ... whoopsie
Now being manufactured again by Wessex 😳
Sounds like a trombone sortof
The timber sounds strangely like a Euphonium.
RICHARD GORDON timbre
The Euphonium is in some ways descended from the ophicleide, so that's not surprising. The French C tuba can sound even more ophicleide like, since they are 6 inches shorter than a euphonium and have a 1-2" smaller bell.
Another failing is that, unlike the superficially similar-looking baritone and bass saxophone, its fingering is not logical in the way of most other woodwind instruments (excepting the bassoon). I play the sax, but learned brass a long time ago. I eventually bought an ophicleide, but remembering the fingering proved a challenge too far.
I don’t care for his attack on each note; the part isn’t written that way. Also he could play with better intonation.
Could he play with better intonation? That's one of the major failings of the ophicleide.
I can imagine what it must've been like before tubas, but really tho it's an interesting period instrument, I find the ophicleide to be offensive
he looks like the realistic peter griffin
A 2 minute video about why the tuba is a superior instrument
It sounds constipated.
Discrimination is not a right. So does your remark!
Deep down the saxophone hole
I think they used to pipe this stuff through the walls at Guantanamo
Snake with a hat.
Tuba replaced the Ophicleide for good, sorry.
You are early on almost every note you play. Not cool. Was it just excitement, or determination to be heard first?
Thanks for the video and talk anyway.
This orchestra ... idk it just does not have a good blend in my opinion. I do not know if that is because of their want to use period instruments, or the ahem .... level of the players ability or a combination of both. They do not sound like a top tier orchestra who just happens to want to use period instruments for the pieces they play.
It's sounds like a rejected tuba
band geek 379 awwwwww
This is the most disgusting instrument I’ve ever seen.
nasty comment ... let's see your toes - are they pretty ?
FBI Agent yes, it’s covered in vomit and excrement, just like your remark
It can sound reasonably pleasant. The player here was indulging in exaggerated tongue-slapping. See other videos on TH-cam featuring more musical renditions on the ophicleide. Incidentally, this instrument is now being produced again by a number of manufacturers .... same situation with the serpent.