Oh gosh I wish he would! It’s so simple once you get over the fact you’re holding melting metal. You just stick things together like molten metal Lego. (And sometimes if you plug things together backwards they explode!..... maybe that’s why some people get nervous about it. But just don’t use capacitors for learning on!)
"Its bad and weird, but that's why its beautiful" Honestly, Uncle Derek has taught me to appreciate such things. I used to hate things that could objectively be described as bad or unpolished. Now I appreciate the hell out of them and love them for what they are.
The controller is really confortable taught, specially for people with larher hands to the point it surprises me it was designed in Japan. The DreamCast controller forced the wrists into an unnatural position yet it doesn't get the amount of criticism the N64 controller gets. The controller set the standard for modern controls we use to this days.
I'm a big fan of Derek's "There are no good or bad games, just interesting and uninteresting ones". As a kid I loved some games that others thought were terrible, and years later, when he said that, I realized what I had been feeling all that time without knowing the words to put to it; I would always just tell people that I know the games suck, but that I still have a blast with them. HVGN/SSFF, Derek and Grace, you guys are awesome😄❤
@@Egei A game can be badly made, and broken, but that doesn't mean it's not necessarily fun to play. It's a much better mindset than "lol bad game, unplayable".
"It's a dumb way to play Pod Racer" Not really though, that's how it was set up in the arcade machines. You had a throttle on the left side and right side to control the engines separately. Odds are, they left it in for the folks that were familiar with the arcade controls.
Local Gameworks had a wall dedicated to Pod-Racer units, was amazing. They eventually replaced them with a more generic racer of some kind, which saddened a young me.
@@Kain652 Not too sure, but you can check around, pretty sure it's still got an active community though, at least judging by things like the Steam forums and stuff. But yeah, pretty sure you can double up on throttles and play that way just fine if you wanted to go all out and happened to have a pair of HOTAS lying around. At least on the PC version. If you use something like Steam Input you can pretty much do whatever you want with the controls.
God, hearing somebody actually interested in WHY the N64 controller was designed that way, instead of parroting the "how do I even HOLD this???" joke for the trillionth time is exactly what I've needed to hear all my life hahahaa
I actually love hearing people talk about the unique layout(s) of the N64 controller. It came as such a surprise to me when I learned that it was designed with multiple layouts in mind, so whenever that discussion is even barely touched, it makes me super excited.
Derek's appreciation for bad games and janky accessories is what we need more of. It's that kind it's that kind of authentic appreciation that I like in your content too!
Wow.... must suck to liv where you live or go on the sites u go on lol. Cause I never met anyone who complained about N64 controllers. Obviously not counting older gen parents or older uncles and aunts and such types of older family... I was born early 90s. To give reference. As to why everyone I know loves them.
My favorite thing about the N64 controller is that in "snes mode" it actually is ... a default controller with 6 button. And what capcom did? NOTHING. Capcom was like "we will port street fighter for the genesis that has 3 buttons but not the n64 that has 6 buttons as default". In another dimension Street Fighter Ex 64 exists and it is awesome
I remember a Street Fighter III New Generation port for the N64 being rumored at some point, hell, it was possibly a 64DD port even. But we ended up not getting it, and it (alongside 2nd Impact) remained arcade-exclusive for almost two years until the Double Impact pack got released for the Dreamcast in 1998. I don't think SFEX or any other Capcom 3D arcade game would ever have reached the N64, though, as those were developed on PS1-based hardware until the NAOMI/Dreamcast rolled around (with the exception of Final Fight Revenge, which was on the Saturn-based SEGA Titan Video).
@@thestripedmenace I think a port of Street Fighter EX would've been totally possible, but using the expansion pack. And a 64MB cartridge for all the characters and stages
@@thestripedmenace What's sad is that it could have been the best versions of Capcom fighting games of that generation. The N64 had the option to expand the memory like the Saturn so arcade like animation quality & used carts so the load times would have been the quickest ones.
The lack of fighting games is one of the biggest reasons the N64 is my least favourite console between it, the Saturn and the PS1. The Saturn had Virtua Fighter 2 and the best ports of most Street Fighter games, Playstation had Soul Edge and Tekken, and the N64 had close to nothing. A port of the least well-remembered Killer Instinct game, and... uh... Fighter's Destiny?
@@rynomclaughlin1595 On this day, I see clearly. Everything has come to life. A Bitter place and a broken dream And we'll leave it all behind On this day, it's so real to me Everything has come to life. Another chance, to chase a dream Another chance to feel Chance to feel aliveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
The creature doesn't even have name in the book right? It's been a while since i last listened to my audiobook, but i can't remember anyone referring to it with a name, only ever as The Creature or Creation or somesuch label...
@@nonyabidness8676 Jon’s comment suggests he thinks the phrase quoted has anything at all to do with the creatures name. It does not, as you’ve explained. Thus: whoosh.
@@nonyabidness8676 Well that was fun, I appreciate the effort. I'm not sure how to make this more clear. David's comment was referring to Frankenstein, and understanding who the real monster was in the book (Frankenstein). Jon needed to reminded us the monster Frankenstein creates (who gets mistakenly called Frankenstein) has no name in the book - a point that no one raised or needed raised, because no one was talking about the monster Frankenstein creates. Jon seemed to think David's comment in some way suggested anything at all about the monster Frankenstein creates. It does not. Thus, "whoosh".
"...where we celebrate the weird, ambitious, and unnecessary" he says, while sitting between a Tony Hawk Ride skateboard and a Resident Evil chainsaw controller. This is why I love this channel.
The "stealth" dual analogs in Sin & Punishment reminds me of something weird I encountered back in 2013 during the Xbox One launch. A friend came over and we were trying to play local 2-player in Forza Motorsport 5. If you remember back in the 360 days, signing into your Xbox Live account on another console was actually a somewhat lengthy process, so we were trying to avoid that and instead of logging in on his own account, he logged in as a guest user on my account. This somehow ended up with both of us controlling the same car. Both controllers had full control, and we managed to win a race with one of us handling the steering and the other working the pedals. I don't know if it's been patched or if it's still possible to do that, but it was a pretty weird way to play!
I appreciate the pause when Derek realized half the audience are young enough to call him Dad. It's always humbling to accept when you're getting old. Don't worry man, you'll be our favorite internet uncle no matter how old you get : D
the vectrex and 5200 had analog if i remember correctly Edit to add that I think the Master system had an analog controller that looked like a Star trek spaceship and it came out before the N64 but I could be wrong. It does not. Count though because it was not the main controller for that system.
The 5200 introduced analog joysticks, but the one shown in the video is a 2600/VCS controller, which was digital. The 2600 did also come bundled with analog controllers, but they were the paddles (dials), not joysticks.
@@303cerebral The 2600/VCS sticks like the one shown did not have microswitches, they used membrane switches. In fact, I'm not sure if any home console has ever included microswitch arcade sticks except the Neo Geo AES.
@@cbarger2327 Ah fair enough. The one I had the ring was was red rather than orange, and for the Atari ST. I was 5 though, and it always felt like it took effort to get it to register, but I was probably using more force than required, that noise could have been the plastic creaking!
Derek: “There are some people watching this video, I am old enough to be your father...I’m fine with that.” Arrested Development Narrator: “Derek was not at all okay with that.”
Something about that Dual Analog Controller legitimately reminds me of the "Gyromite Controller", but also makes me think of the Virtual Boy controller as well lol
@@fluffycritter It would also be totally possible to make a Frankentroller with an analog joystick and five buttons, all of which work, and program a game for the Atari 2600 or Commodore 64 that requires all of them. But no one ever has.
@@stevethepocket Yeah I mean that's what I was implying with my comment. When I was a kid I liked experimenting with weird control schemes on my C64 and I did design an analog joystick 5-button controller but I didn't have the patience to write a game which used it. :)
The Dual Analog sticks for Star Wars racers actually mirrors the arcade version, where you controlled with 2 accelerator levers instead of a steering wheel or flightstick.
On a day where I learned that a friend overdosed in a supermarket bathroom last week, its channels like these that can make a few moments better. I hope you value that derek. We all go through shit and need things to stay occupied.dual 64 for life
Did they literally use Bondo and paint to join the two halves? Honestly, that's an impressive amount of dedication to do it that way instead of just 3D printing a new shell or something.
If my vague memories of playing it in the bowling alley are correct, that means you can play the N64 version similarly to the arcade version! With the per-engine control. Obviously it feels different on sticks than two levers but... that’s sweet.
To solve the start button issue: if you want, you can simply open the case, get some thin wires, and carefully solder from the contacts on the player 1 start button to the corresponding pads on the player 2 side to trigger both from the same button, assuming the creator didn't cut the internal PCBs (which it doesn't look like they did). You might want to cut a small hole through the top of the enclosure and add a switch in between one of your added wires which will be able to turn off this dual functionality in case it causes the game to pause and immediately unpause.
Goldeneye also has a control option that lets you strafe with the DPad and aim with the control stick, which gets pretty close to feeling modern without needing 2 controllers. I was playing through it recently, and it's kind of wild how much better that felt to my Halo trained brain.
The Atari 5200 did have a controller dock that held two controllers for games like Robotron 2084 and Space Dungeon so it's more dual analog for Smash TV type controls but it is Dual Analog via two controllers way back in the early 80s.
I know a few Goldeneye speedrunners who would love to get one of these, Karl Jobst especially. What a fantastic idea someone had and I kind of want to make one out of broken controllers.
"It's a pretty dumb way to play podracing-but it is not the DUMBEST way." Actually laughed out loud when you did this. Expert comedic timing. Man, I love this channel!
Respectfully disagree. Myself and a sizeable contingent freaking LOATHED the thing, from its bizarre button placement to the thumbstick digging in like a mofo.
@@fedupN Plus the analog stick got all loose and wobbly super quickly. An N64 controller that plays like one fresh from the box has got to be a rare beast these days.
Star Wars Rouge Squadron is another N64 game that lets you use dual analogue controls. If you enter "chicken" as a passcode in the options menu, you can play a small bonus level where you control an AT-ST walker. Controller 1 lets you walk the AT-ST around the level, while Controller 2 lets you aim the turret and shoot.
Sin & Punishment's second controller being able to aim and shoot was designed to be a pseudo two-player mode where one player moves and the other aims and shoots. This was expanded upon in the second game where the second player took the role of a disembodied second gun that just assisted the first player through the game. I've beaten both games by myself and with friends.
Is it just me or, whenever I wasn't playing the game, I was studying over the manual for any and everything. I remember taking my favorite game manuals to school, just so I could fully absorb all it. Back in the day when there was manuals.
He was never given a name though by his creator! Literally just called "creature", "fiend", "spectre", "the dæmon", "wretch", "devil", "thing", "being", and "ogre" or even Adam! As the monster himself state's to Frankenstein, "I ought to by thy Adam". So really who gives a damn if people call him Frankenstein better then all the other shitty names used interchangeably that could refrence hundreds of different things.
I remember when Alien Resurrection on the PS1 set the template for how console FPS controls would be. GameSpot's review trashed the game because of the controls, which are now standard. The review is worth a read, if you are looking for a good laugh. The reviewer even recommends waiting for Aliens: colonial marines to be released on PS2
2:44 actually, left handed is more comfortable with left hand on joy stick and right side with buttons as usual. If anything, the left handed controller mods to stuff like the game boy, should be RIGHT HANDED!
0:13 - "And naturally, McComb ends up getting his past self thrown into his future self, thus morphing him into congealed demon c**... You know, as theorized by Einstein. _Classic_ time travel." -Cody "News Dude" Johnston
Maybe he's married to your mother's sister.....and.....also your father or maybe he's you mom's brother and.........Ok, yeah let's not think too hard about this.
@@AceTrainerX3 I forgot about that lol, yeah Treasure damn sure came up with a good name for the company...Between Light Crusader and Gunstar Hereos etc.. the name treasure fits great
im so glad there is someone who is shining light about the two controllers feature of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark.... i knew i couldn’t be the only person having this much fun playing analog style!!
I know it's in bad taste to comment on a video before you even watch it in full but man the plug for your Patreon was 🤌🤌 just perfect and I can't wait to see what else you have in store for us Uncle Derek and Producer Grace, you guys are something special! ❤
While he showed a 2600 controller in the video, the 5200 did actually have an analog stick iirc, so technically it’s still true to say Atari controllers had analog sticks (just not on the system most people would think of).
I love the design of the N64 gamepad. I think the z-trigger under the analog stick is perfect for FPS games. The Yellow c-buttons are no different than using the arrow keys or WASD on a keyboard. I used the d-pad to play through Resident Evil 2, Mischief Makers and a few other 2D games. Sometimes it was used for additional functions. I found the D-Pad to be really good.
Legit guys, if I didn't have to spend half of my teacher's salary on rent, I would definitely Patreon support you. You are one of my fave channels ! Always a joy to see an upload.
5:31 you might be alone here, most people I know (myself included) had read the instructions+gamebox on the way home (after buying the game) so often already that we had memorized it Where I might be alone is that I never actually played Goldeneye as a kid even tho I had an N64 myself
No worries Derek - I tell people about your channel all the time. Thanks for continuing to entertain us throughout the crazy last year and going into the more optimistic new one!
I remember being so confused by the dual analogue controls in Goldeneye as a kid. The idea of that control style was so foreign to me that I assumed it was supposed to be some weird multiplayer setup. I could never grasp why someone would want to have one person controlling half the inputs and someone else controlling the other half. It wasn't until many years later that I realized the intent was to have one controller in each hand.
Thank you for explaining the different ways to hold the controller. I've always been amazed that people online don't get how it's supposed to be held. Back in the 90s it made so much sense, especially since that was the norm before the PSX Dual Shock came out. Hopefully more people will appreciate its wackiness now!
I love the ridiculous depths of video game periphery. Always look forward to these vids. The deepest I ever down that rabbit hole was picking up 4 NES Advantages to play Smash TV with 2 players dual analog for that genuine "home arcade" experience.
Thank you very much grace for mentioning that for me. Although I don't understand how Frankenstein couldn't love this controller, I'm sure he would have taught this bad boy values like not-murder. Unless they are Sean bean.
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"Its bad and weird, but that's why its beautiful"
You could use this statement to describe like 99% of whats discussed on this channel lol
what's the other 1%?
Yes
@@Saturn185 Doom 64
@@Saturn185 saturn doom
I can only imagine the shenanigans Derek would get up to if he learned how to solder lol
Oh gosh I wish he would! It’s so simple once you get over the fact you’re holding melting metal. You just stick things together like molten metal Lego.
(And sometimes if you plug things together backwards they explode!..... maybe that’s why some people get nervous about it. But just don’t use capacitors for learning on!)
... oh my God.
who's Derek?
@@elchi2103 Derek is the guy you just watched in this video
@@SchizoidRambler thank you for your quick reply!
"Its bad and weird, but that's why its beautiful"
Honestly, Uncle Derek has taught me to appreciate such things. I used to hate things that could objectively be described as bad or unpolished. Now I appreciate the hell out of them and love them for what they are.
Objectively bad never stopped anyone from making it a fine art.
The controller is really confortable taught, specially for people with larher hands to the point it surprises me it was designed in Japan. The DreamCast controller forced the wrists into an unnatural position yet it doesn't get the amount of criticism the N64 controller gets. The controller set the standard for modern controls we use to this days.
ideas get refined or new technologies make them worth looking at again
I'm a big fan of Derek's "There are no good or bad games, just interesting and uninteresting ones". As a kid I loved some games that others thought were terrible, and years later, when he said that, I realized what I had been feeling all that time without knowing the words to put to it; I would always just tell people that I know the games suck, but that I still have a blast with them.
HVGN/SSFF, Derek and Grace, you guys are awesome😄❤
@@Egei A game can be badly made, and broken, but that doesn't mean it's not necessarily fun to play. It's a much better mindset than "lol bad game, unplayable".
In 2 years:
"hey I'm dereck it's me dereck from dereck"
-dereck from stop dereck from fighting
stop dereck from derecking*
@@MajorOutage Dereck should never stop Derecking
@@thisisasupersayin376 stop derek from stopping dereking?
“Hey I’m Dereck it’s me Dereck and welcome to Punching Dereck, the show where we celebrate the Dereck, Dereck, and Dereck”
God this comment hurted my Derrick lol
"It's a dumb way to play Pod Racer"
Not really though, that's how it was set up in the arcade machines. You had a throttle on the left side and right side to control the engines separately.
Odds are, they left it in for the folks that were familiar with the arcade controls.
Local Gameworks had a wall dedicated to Pod-Racer units, was amazing. They eventually replaced them with a more generic racer of some kind, which saddened a young me.
Do you happen to know how it controls in the newest ports?
@@Kain652
Not too sure, but you can check around, pretty sure it's still got an active community though, at least judging by things like the Steam forums and stuff.
But yeah, pretty sure you can double up on throttles and play that way just fine if you wanted to go all out and happened to have a pair of HOTAS lying around. At least on the PC version. If you use something like Steam Input you can pretty much do whatever you want with the controls.
@@Kain652 There's a decently active community for all things Episode I Racer on Discord. They know all about the controls.
IIRC the arcade version came out a year or so after the N64 version
God, hearing somebody actually interested in WHY the N64 controller was designed that way, instead of parroting the "how do I even HOLD this???" joke for the trillionth time is exactly what I've needed to hear all my life hahahaa
I actually love hearing people talk about the unique layout(s) of the N64 controller. It came as such a surprise to me when I learned that it was designed with multiple layouts in mind, so whenever that discussion is even barely touched, it makes me super excited.
I liked the idea of having left handed option...
Too bad only like Turok and Forsaken 64 had it.
Derek's appreciation for bad games and janky accessories is what we need more of. It's that kind it's that kind of authentic appreciation that I like in your content too!
I'll stop asking how to hold it when I get an answer.
Wow.... must suck to liv where you live or go on the sites u go on lol. Cause I never met anyone who complained about N64 controllers. Obviously not counting older gen parents or older uncles and aunts and such types of older family... I was born early 90s. To give reference. As to why everyone I know loves them.
“Ever notice how it looks like his jaw is huge?”
Well, no Derek, but now I can’t unsee it, so, um, thanks?
i dont see it lol
Timestamp?
@@Kain652 6:25
Lol ive noticed that the day i got the game back in 98
I need this picture now.
My favorite thing about the N64 controller is that in "snes mode" it actually is ... a default controller with 6 button. And what capcom did? NOTHING. Capcom was like "we will port street fighter for the genesis that has 3 buttons but not the n64 that has 6 buttons as default". In another dimension Street Fighter Ex 64 exists and it is awesome
I remember a Street Fighter III New Generation port for the N64 being rumored at some point, hell, it was possibly a 64DD port even. But we ended up not getting it, and it (alongside 2nd Impact) remained arcade-exclusive for almost two years until the Double Impact pack got released for the Dreamcast in 1998.
I don't think SFEX or any other Capcom 3D arcade game would ever have reached the N64, though, as those were developed on PS1-based hardware until the NAOMI/Dreamcast rolled around (with the exception of Final Fight Revenge, which was on the Saturn-based SEGA Titan Video).
@@thestripedmenace I think a port of Street Fighter EX would've been totally possible, but using the expansion pack. And a 64MB cartridge for all the characters and stages
@@thestripedmenace What's sad is that it could have been the best versions of Capcom fighting games of that generation. The N64 had the option to expand the memory like the Saturn so arcade like animation quality & used carts so the load times would have been the quickest ones.
The lack of fighting games is one of the biggest reasons the N64 is my least favourite console between it, the Saturn and the PS1. The Saturn had Virtua Fighter 2 and the best ports of most Street Fighter games, Playstation had Soul Edge and Tekken, and the N64 had close to nothing. A port of the least well-remembered Killer Instinct game, and... uh... Fighter's Destiny?
@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN N64 did also get Rakuga Kids, Clayfighter 63⅓, and a few Mortal Kombats.
"you aren't drunk"
you think you know me
BAH GAWD THAT'S EDGE'S MUSIC!
PEGGY JPEG DARKSKIN MANSON WOOT
@@rynomclaughlin1595
On this day, I see clearly.
Everything has come to life.
A Bitter place and a broken dream
And we'll leave it all behind
On this day, it's so real to me
Everything has come to life.
Another chance, to chase a dream
Another chance to feel
Chance to feel aliveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
@@MrAhmes2001 that’s when we come aliiiiiiiive, like a schizo runnin’ wild
Yeah I've been celebrating the departure of the Orange Supremacist all day!
As a man who had a Panasonic 3DO as a young boy, I appreciate the reference. You're a gift to us all, Derek.
The off camera comments from Producer Grace are probably my favorite part
Mine are the research that goes into these videos.
“Knowledge is know Frankenstein was the scientist, wisdom is know he was the monster” -someone
The creature doesn't even have name in the book right? It's been a while since i last listened to my audiobook, but i can't remember anyone referring to it with a name, only ever as The Creature or Creation or somesuch label...
@@JulesVonBasslake wooooooosh ;)
@@nonyabidness8676 Jon’s comment suggests he thinks the phrase quoted has anything at all to do with the creatures name. It does not, as you’ve explained.
Thus: whoosh.
@@nonyabidness8676 Well that was fun, I appreciate the effort.
I'm not sure how to make this more clear. David's comment was referring to Frankenstein, and understanding who the real monster was in the book (Frankenstein).
Jon needed to reminded us the monster Frankenstein creates (who gets mistakenly called Frankenstein) has no name in the book - a point that no one raised or needed raised, because no one was talking about the monster Frankenstein creates. Jon seemed to think David's comment in some way suggested anything at all about the monster Frankenstein creates. It does not. Thus, "whoosh".
@Some characters aren't allowed But they told me to go back to youtube... I can't win!
Looks like that one controller AVGN made to play Gyromite by himself.
I call it the Gyromite Controller. It plays Gyromite
"...where we celebrate the weird, ambitious, and unnecessary" he says, while sitting between a Tony Hawk Ride skateboard and a Resident Evil chainsaw controller. This is why I love this channel.
The "stealth" dual analogs in Sin & Punishment reminds me of something weird I encountered back in 2013 during the Xbox One launch.
A friend came over and we were trying to play local 2-player in Forza Motorsport 5. If you remember back in the 360 days, signing into your Xbox Live account on another console was actually a somewhat lengthy process, so we were trying to avoid that and instead of logging in on his own account, he logged in as a guest user on my account. This somehow ended up with both of us controlling the same car. Both controllers had full control, and we managed to win a race with one of us handling the steering and the other working the pedals. I don't know if it's been patched or if it's still possible to do that, but it was a pretty weird way to play!
...are all the Goldeneye controller styles named after the most outrageously named Bond Girls? Well... I learned something today
I appreciate the pause when Derek realized half the audience are young enough to call him Dad. It's always humbling to accept when you're getting old. Don't worry man, you'll be our favorite internet uncle no matter how old you get : D
In a world where the Brawler 64 controller exists, someone needs to actually design and produce a dual-stick N64 controller that uses up two ports.
Minor nit: Atari joysticks were digital joysticks not analogue, actually the standard for many 8 bit computers and arcade machines.
the vectrex and 5200 had analog if i remember correctly
Edit to add that I think the Master system had an analog controller that looked like a Star trek spaceship and it came out before the N64 but I could be wrong. It does not. Count though because it was not the main controller for that system.
I was going to say, I am sure I used to hear the switches inside!
The 5200 introduced analog joysticks, but the one shown in the video is a 2600/VCS controller, which was digital. The 2600 did also come bundled with analog controllers, but they were the paddles (dials), not joysticks.
@@303cerebral The 2600/VCS sticks like the one shown did not have microswitches, they used membrane switches. In fact, I'm not sure if any home console has ever included microswitch arcade sticks except the Neo Geo AES.
@@cbarger2327 Ah fair enough. The one I had the ring was was red rather than orange, and for the Atari ST. I was 5 though, and it always felt like it took effort to get it to register, but I was probably using more force than required, that noise could have been the plastic creaking!
"It's the Tommy Wiseau of gaming controllers" - Civvie11
Slightly interesting but it doesn't really belong in this world?
@@bobDotJS I believe he says "everyone is aware that it's bad, but it has an alien-like charm"
#freeCivvie11
@@CathrineMacNiel not until he reviews F.E.A.R.
“I wonder when Sigil’s comin’ out?”
Derek: “There are some people watching this video, I am old enough to be your father...I’m fine with that.”
Arrested Development Narrator: “Derek was not at all okay with that.”
Something about that Dual Analog Controller legitimately reminds me of the "Gyromite Controller", but also makes me think of the Virtual Boy controller as well lol
I got the biggest grin at the end:
"This is SSFF I told you we go dumb!"
Thumbnail: *exists
Me: Let me go get my glasses
The Atari joystick was 100% a digital controller. It was basically a d-pad with a stick.
The VCS did support analog paddles and could have theoretically used those for an analog stick but I don’t know of anything that did.
It’s the Atari 5200 that had the analog joystick
@@fluffycritter It would also be totally possible to make a Frankentroller with an analog joystick and five buttons, all of which work, and program a game for the Atari 2600 or Commodore 64 that requires all of them. But no one ever has.
@@stevethepocket Yeah I mean that's what I was implying with my comment. When I was a kid I liked experimenting with weird control schemes on my C64 and I did design an analog joystick 5-button controller but I didn't have the patience to write a game which used it. :)
I'm over 40 and lived and breathed the n64 in college. Never knew these control options existed till this video.
The Dual Analog sticks for Star Wars racers actually mirrors the arcade version, where you controlled with 2 accelerator levers instead of a steering wheel or flightstick.
This is a nice surprise on my 30th birthday, and it’s making me less sad that my 20s are dead. Thanks Derek and Grace!
Uncle Derek: finding wonderful new toys for us to marvel at.
Lol
I thought it couldn't get much crazier, then Uncle Derek busted out the N64 mice he mentioned on yesterday's update. Looking forward to that video.
>I'm old enough to be some of your fathers
DEREK CONFIRMED FOR DADDY 😍
Daddy Derek (not the Cool Cat one)
jesus
moses
plugs in 2nd controller
"Now this is pod racing!"
You can recreate the pottery scene from Ghost with a N64 controller now!
I love how the Tomba Music is playing in the background, one of my favorite Playstation 1 games of all time
On a day where I learned that a friend overdosed in a supermarket bathroom last week, its channels like these that can make a few moments better. I hope you value that derek. We all go through shit and need things to stay occupied.dual 64 for life
Did they literally use Bondo and paint to join the two halves? Honestly, that's an impressive amount of dedication to do it that way instead of just 3D printing a new shell or something.
The world could use more Grace.
I like it when he smiles. He looks so happy when he talks about what he loves
I'm seeing double! Four analog sticks!
3:39 - “It IS kinda bad and weird, but that's why it's beautiful.”
I think this one sentence neatly sums up this channel in its entirety. 👍🏻
If my vague memories of playing it in the bowling alley are correct, that means you can play the N64 version similarly to the arcade version! With the per-engine control. Obviously it feels different on sticks than two levers but... that’s sweet.
Now you just have to contact James Rolfe and ask him for his Gyromite NES controller.
To solve the start button issue: if you want, you can simply open the case, get some thin wires, and carefully solder from the contacts on the player 1 start button to the corresponding pads on the player 2 side to trigger both from the same button, assuming the creator didn't cut the internal PCBs (which it doesn't look like they did).
You might want to cut a small hole through the top of the enclosure and add a switch in between one of your added wires which will be able to turn off this dual functionality in case it causes the game to pause and immediately unpause.
"If you don't know how to hold this thing, your parents do"
Nah noone had a nintendo here in the 80s-90s
Goldeneye also has a control option that lets you strafe with the DPad and aim with the control stick, which gets pretty close to feeling modern without needing 2 controllers. I was playing through it recently, and it's kind of wild how much better that felt to my Halo trained brain.
0:10 "That's right, you are not drunk"
Me: "Why does it- does... does it have four bananana... uh... thingies? Iss got- isssss... got so many."
The Atari 5200 did have a controller dock that held two controllers for games like Robotron 2084 and Space Dungeon so it's more dual analog for Smash TV type controls but it is Dual Analog via two controllers way back in the early 80s.
Indy: It belongs to a museum!
Controller: Kill me...
Medic: Later...
@@MagmarFire 😂👌
I know a few Goldeneye speedrunners who would love to get one of these, Karl Jobst especially. What a fantastic idea someone had and I kind of want to make one out of broken controllers.
"There are no friends in Robotron 64" Hey! It's like my life!
"It's a pretty dumb way to play podracing-but it is not the DUMBEST way."
Actually laughed out loud when you did this. Expert comedic timing. Man, I love this channel!
At the time, the N64 controller wasn't considered bad. It just became outdated very quickly.
Respectfully disagree. Myself and a sizeable contingent freaking LOATHED the thing, from its bizarre button placement to the thumbstick digging in like a mofo.
@@fedupN Plus the analog stick got all loose and wobbly super quickly. An N64 controller that plays like one fresh from the box has got to be a rare beast these days.
Thank you Uncle Derek! Punching Weight is one of my favorites on TH-cam. Keep sharing the weird, ambitious, and unnecessary with us! :)
Speedrunners: This development excites, and yet enrages, us.
Id argue this was the reason for it's creation
Star Wars Rouge Squadron is another N64 game that lets you use dual analogue controls. If you enter "chicken" as a passcode in the options menu, you can play a small bonus level where you control an AT-ST walker. Controller 1 lets you walk the AT-ST around the level, while Controller 2 lets you aim the turret and shoot.
"That's right, you are not drunk!"
Actually I'm pretty sure I'm currently drunk, I had a bottle of cheap wine
Sin & Punishment's second controller being able to aim and shoot was designed to be a pseudo two-player mode where one player moves and the other aims and shoots. This was expanded upon in the second game where the second player took the role of a disembodied second gun that just assisted the first player through the game. I've beaten both games by myself and with friends.
“You are not drunk.” He says, to a very drunk me. Lmao
Is it just me or, whenever I wasn't playing the game, I was studying over the manual for any and everything. I remember taking my favorite game manuals to school, just so I could fully absorb all it. Back in the day when there was manuals.
Because Frankenstein created the monster, you could technically say that the monster shares Frankenstein's name.
He was never given a name though by his creator! Literally just called "creature", "fiend", "spectre", "the dæmon", "wretch", "devil", "thing", "being", and "ogre" or even Adam!
As the monster himself state's to Frankenstein, "I ought to by thy Adam".
So really who gives a damn if people call him Frankenstein better then all the other shitty names used interchangeably that could refrence hundreds of different things.
The monster took his name from his father. (Something that should annoy said father immeasurably, which tbh is the point.)
"It can't get worse."
Great job, Derek...you jinxed us.
There is nothing bad or weird about the Nintendo 64 controller. It’s perfectly ergonomic and the controls were great.
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I remember when Alien Resurrection on the PS1 set the template for how console FPS controls would be. GameSpot's review trashed the game because of the controls, which are now standard. The review is worth a read, if you are looking for a good laugh. The reviewer even recommends waiting for Aliens: colonial marines to be released on PS2
Technically Medal of Honor had it firsrt
I can't look at James Bond's face the same way ever again
2:44 actually, left handed is more comfortable with left hand on joy stick and right side with buttons as usual. If anything, the left handed controller mods to stuff like the game boy, should be RIGHT HANDED!
Me: *saw dual analog stick
Also Me: ItSa DuAlShOcK!
0:13 - "And naturally, McComb ends up getting his past self thrown into his future self, thus morphing him into congealed demon c**... You know, as theorized by Einstein. _Classic_ time travel." -Cody "News Dude" Johnston
10:44
Ah yes, my favorite Rare developed shooter...
Little known fact: Banjo-Tooie's multiplayer holds up way better than Goldeneye's multiplayer.
I need this controller now! Where can I buy one?
Uncle Derek potentially being my father creates all kinds of confusion.
Maybe he's married to your mother's sister.....and.....also your father or maybe he's you mom's brother and.........Ok, yeah let's not think too hard about this.
The reason you had to plug into slot 3 is because slots 2 and 4 are for the 2nd player. At least that's what I remember it being.
6:23 Now I can't unsee it 🤣
I spat my food laughing
Perfect Dark and Goldeneye are easily some of the best games ever, But you mention a Treasure game not on a Sega console and got my attention quick
They also made Mischief Makers.
@@AceTrainerX3 I forgot about that lol, yeah Treasure damn sure came up with a good name for the company...Between Light Crusader and Gunstar Hereos etc.. the name treasure fits great
It's alright Derek, I'm sure a lot of people would want you as their daddy
im so glad there is someone who is shining light about the two controllers feature of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark.... i knew i couldn’t be the only person having this much fun playing analog style!!
The N64 has a perfect controller. Comfortable as hell, great feeling stick. You can't chnage my mind.
Also the most precise analog stick of any controller
"that's right you are not drunk"
Yeah I'm not
That's the latest n64 controller for the chernobyl design
Well, certainly an...interesting little device, I'll give ya that.
I know it's in bad taste to comment on a video before you even watch it in full but man the plug for your Patreon was 🤌🤌 just perfect and I can't wait to see what else you have in store for us Uncle Derek and Producer Grace, you guys are something special! ❤
The Atari stick was digital though.
yeah this was weird? Analog sticks existed back then, but on computers, for flight sims
While he showed a 2600 controller in the video, the 5200 did actually have an analog stick iirc, so technically it’s still true to say Atari controllers had analog sticks (just not on the system most people would think of).
I love the design of the N64 gamepad. I think the z-trigger under the analog stick is perfect for FPS games. The Yellow c-buttons are no different than using the arrow keys or WASD on a keyboard. I used the d-pad to play through Resident Evil 2, Mischief Makers and a few other 2D games. Sometimes it was used for additional functions. I found the D-Pad to be really good.
When a bunch of comments are two weeks older than the actual video.
patreon!
Legit guys, if I didn't have to spend half of my teacher's salary on rent, I would definitely Patreon support you. You are one of my fave channels ! Always a joy to see an upload.
My ex-gf has something like that...
N64 controller?
@@iamanidiotbut5523 I don't think that's a controller.
@@xxKrazyKxx me too. Didn't look for the Rumble Pak mind you.
10:43 I love how you put Banjo-Tooie in when talking about FPS games.
the title sequence joke and the tomba music made this a perfect video, glad you're starting the year off with a bang
5:31 you might be alone here, most people I know (myself included) had read the instructions+gamebox on the way home (after buying the game) so often already that we had memorized it
Where I might be alone is that I never actually played Goldeneye as a kid even tho I had an N64 myself
No worries Derek - I tell people about your channel all the time. Thanks for continuing to entertain us throughout the crazy last year and going into the more optimistic new one!
Loved the honest chat at the end! You all are a treasure to the Retro gaming world
As a only child that had 2 n64 controllers growing up this was a revelation on goldeneye. Loved this layout!
Aliens are really gonna get confused when they glass us and find this relic🤣
Every time he uploads, I get so excited to hear him say, "Hi I'm Derek It's me Derek and welcome."
Grace's inputs are always so nice haha.
Every time you make a video about anything N64 related it makes me so happy.
I remember being so confused by the dual analogue controls in Goldeneye as a kid. The idea of that control style was so foreign to me that I assumed it was supposed to be some weird multiplayer setup. I could never grasp why someone would want to have one person controlling half the inputs and someone else controlling the other half. It wasn't until many years later that I realized the intent was to have one controller in each hand.
Thank you for explaining the different ways to hold the controller. I've always been amazed that people online don't get how it's supposed to be held. Back in the 90s it made so much sense, especially since that was the norm before the PSX Dual Shock came out. Hopefully more people will appreciate its wackiness now!
I love the ridiculous depths of video game periphery. Always look forward to these vids. The deepest I ever down that rabbit hole was picking up 4 NES Advantages to play Smash TV with 2 players dual analog for that genuine "home arcade" experience.
This video is a GODSEND!!! I had no idea this was possible! Now I can finally play through Goldeneye again! Thank you!!!
Derek's face lighting up at the possibility of dual N64 Mouse Controllers easily makes my day
Thank you very much grace for mentioning that for me. Although I don't understand how Frankenstein couldn't love this controller, I'm sure he would have taught this bad boy values like not-murder. Unless they are Sean bean.