I quoted Origen's testimony as a historical record, in the same way I could have quoted any other person familiar with Marcion's ideas, whether he was a Christian or otherwise. Everyone knows that Marcion's theology was rejected by the official Church. It is clear that Marcion read the Old Testament literally.
At the beginning of Creation the Earth was a watery planet; God evaporated the waters, revealing dry land. Noah's flood _was_ global, and can be readily understood as the reversal of the processes at the beginning. I don't think Orthodox theology is as modernist in its view of Genesis as you present it here, but I will have to look into it.
@@geoffreyM2TW The video casts the creation account in the Book of Genesis in doubt, and Noah's flood is labelled a borrowed-myth based on similar stories found in many cultures.
@@geoffreyM2TW As for what constitutes Christian belief, the Church has not ruled that the creation account in the Book of Genesis is "myth" (God forbid), despite relentless attacks from the scientific community and the *freemason cult.* Neither has the Church ruled that Six-Days Creation should be taken literally. So, know your stuff! 😄😄😄😄😄
The Orthodox Church are we the faithful. There are no longer ecumenical synods for the Church to decide as a whole. The Orthodox belief in Orthodox society is that the myth of Noah and the stories of the Creation are myths of the ancient Jews, inspired from previous older mythologies. I understand the views of American fundamentalists differ and indeed the views in the west more generally differ. That is why we had no Inquisition in the East. You will also not find myths such as that of Noah or the creation myth in Orthodox iconography. The Old Testament is used for economy but it has been superceded by the New Testament. The Nicene Creed, which is the essential declaration of our Christian faith does not concern itself with the Old Testament.
@@NicholasAggelopoulos Ahh now I understand why Eastern Orthodoxy fell apart soon after the start of the Russo-ukrainian war: because your beliefs about the OT _are_ heretical: *πᾶσα γραφὴ* θεόπνευστος καὶ ὠφέλιμος πρὸς διδασκαλίαν, πρὸς ἔλεγχον, πρὸς ἐπανόρθωσιν, πρὸς παιδείαν τὴν ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ, ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Β΄ 3:16
No that is not the understanding of the Orthodox Church. The understanding is that God creates through the Son, who is Logos. Creation had a potentiality and an actuality. To accept Adam before the Fall as an actuality is to accept God in a human form, as Adam was made in His image and likeness. Evil is a consequence of one's distancing from God, it has nothing to do with death of the material body.
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As an orthodox, can you share any church fathers other than schismatics like Origen that affirm this view?
I quoted Origen's testimony as a historical record, in the same way I could have quoted any other person familiar with Marcion's ideas, whether he was a Christian or otherwise. Everyone knows that Marcion's theology was rejected by the official Church. It is clear that Marcion read the Old Testament literally.
At the beginning of Creation the Earth was a watery planet; God evaporated the waters, revealing dry land. Noah's flood _was_ global, and can be readily understood as the reversal of the processes at the beginning.
I don't think Orthodox theology is as modernist in its view of Genesis as you present it here, but I will have to look into it.
Why is the interpretation of the book of Genesis according to Christian belief "modernist"?
@@geoffreyM2TW The video casts the creation account in the Book of Genesis in doubt, and Noah's flood is labelled a borrowed-myth based on similar stories found in many cultures.
@@geoffreyM2TW As for what constitutes Christian belief, the Church has not ruled that the creation account in the Book of Genesis is "myth" (God forbid), despite relentless attacks from the scientific community and the *freemason cult.* Neither has the Church ruled that Six-Days Creation should be taken literally.
So, know your stuff! 😄😄😄😄😄
The Orthodox Church are we the faithful. There are no longer ecumenical synods for the Church to decide as a whole. The Orthodox belief in Orthodox society is that the myth of Noah and the stories of the Creation are myths of the ancient Jews, inspired from previous older mythologies. I understand the views of American fundamentalists differ and indeed the views in the west more generally differ. That is why we had no Inquisition in the East. You will also not find myths such as that of Noah or the creation myth in Orthodox iconography. The Old Testament is used for economy but it has been superceded by the New Testament. The Nicene Creed, which is the essential declaration of our Christian faith does not concern itself with the Old Testament.
@@NicholasAggelopoulos Ahh now I understand why Eastern Orthodoxy fell apart soon after the start of the Russo-ukrainian war: because your beliefs about the OT _are_ heretical:
*πᾶσα γραφὴ* θεόπνευστος καὶ ὠφέλιμος πρὸς διδασκαλίαν, πρὸς ἔλεγχον, πρὸς ἐπανόρθωσιν, πρὸς παιδείαν τὴν ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ,
ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Β΄ 3:16
The fathers pretty much all affirm adam and eve must be literal. Death not being present has to be taken literally
Else you destroy the entire reason Christ came. Death cannot be natural else God performs evil
No that is not the understanding of the Orthodox Church. The understanding is that God creates through the Son, who is Logos. Creation had a potentiality and an actuality. To accept Adam before the Fall as an actuality is to accept God in a human form, as Adam was made in His image and likeness. Evil is a consequence of one's distancing from God, it has nothing to do with death of the material body.