Destiny 2 Lore - With Rasputin's return, there are some bizarre questions about Felwinter...
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- Destiny 2's Lore and Story tells us about how Felwinter's memories have now been incorporated back into Rasputin. With this the Season of the Seraph has opened up a plethora of weird story questions to do with the Warmind and the Exo Iron Lord that he called his Son.
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The interesting thing that I'm seeing about Rasputin's new iteration is that he's all "well shit, I guess I have to be a god now then. Okay, may as well make sure I'm a good one." Also, I can 100% see Rasputin asking Saladin's forgiveness for what he did.
Hope we get a cutscene of this
:(
If we get Rasputin walking around on his own two legs, then bungie needs to let us help Failsafe, she's been stuck there for god knows how long. And if the ever sunset nessus they HAVE to let us do it, maybe by a comunity event?
Fail safe is a broken down AI
Rasputin is a golden age relic with a ridiculous network of power and knowledge. They’ll never dedicate that many resources to fail safe
@@MenacingCupcake OK, but what about integrating Failsafe into the HELM? I mean, she IS a ship's AI. So that would be pretty neat. I really don't see that happening, but who knows.
@@TheDragonGamerTV I'd love to hear Failsafe's banter while on the HELM
She gets two bodies, one for each personality.
@MenacingCupcake failsafe is a portion of the submind that was in control of the entire Exodus fleet.
The idea of Rasputin possibly becoming a guardian would make for one terrifying warsat network if it could then be integrated with the light and become a paracasual arsenal.
The Traveler wouldve just chosen the cabal, no? Paracausal tanks and planet eating ships
Light powered valkyries go brrrr
@@TheWunderWaffelShow who needs planet eating ships & paracausal tanks when you can wield the universe itself as a weapon.
the traveler didn't choose the cabal for a good reason, it knew that it's blessing would be misused & abused.
onto another matter.
a regular human once a guardian can defeat oryx the taken king, xol a worm god, & many other's.
an exponential increase in power
if a being of Rasputin's caliber became a guardian?
he would only be exceeded by the higher natural powers of the universe & the paracausal forces themselves.
a being so powerful that only the dark winnower or the light gardener could defeat it.
@@TheWunderWaffelShow Those aren't sentient though, so wouldn't get the light
@@GrayvesX Sentient yes, Sapient no, there is actually a different word for it
The idea of a guardian and a Warmind combined is terrifying, I think that kind of power is up there with queen Mara Sov and Eris
Even higher, Rasputin would have access to golden age tech, Siva, Warsats system, frames, golems, he could rebuild the Almighty and channel his light through all his assets, the allies of the darkness might get consumed by the light lol.
@@majesticmajestic7058 fun fact he wouldn’t have access to sivacaude the last nanotechnology replication engine is in ourhands
@@archmagetyler The Exodus Black still has a cache on board, according to Failsafe. SIVA itself is self-replicating, so we still have a SIVA ‘seed’ ready to go.
@@majesticmajestic7058 imagine a Rasputin guardian combo, imagine he could potentially make his all weapon systems paracausal with the Light
Oh. Oh no. That's why Moss-2 is relevant. Or at least his implant. If an implant in an exo body could be used to allow it to be controlled by a ghost, it could go in the opposite direction or even allow said Exo to feed the light elsewhere and so on.
Wait if Felwinter was effectively just a peice of Rasputin code in an Exo body does that mean Rasputin is worthy of the light 🤔
I LIKE YOUR FUNNY WORDS MAGIC MAN
IMO, since the launch of Witch Queen, the game has been asking us to question whether "Worthy" is the right word for being chosen by The Traveler. With every new story beat, it looks like we weren't "worthy" so much as a useful pawn.
A bit more to it buddy. Watch the videos of Felwinters origin.
@@AnnaFunk the graviton forfeit lore feels relevant here
Savathun was. So, probably.
Another interesting point to the Clovis/Rasputin comparison, as of now, each of them have a certain degree of understanding of opposing paracausal forces. Clovis is intimately familiar with Darkness while with Felwinter's reintegration, Rasputin now has memories how to wield the Light
This is what most interests me. Rasputin should, theoretically, know how to wield the light, and should have all the experiences of being a guardian. I hope they develop that plot point.
I wonder what would stop him from fixing Felwinters ghost?
@@majesticmajestic7058 same thing stopping us from fixing caydes. They don't work after the light is gone
Or even maybe an innate understanding of how Siva could be integrated into the Light or Darkness.
@@R3X84 please let go of Siva. It’s not coming back.
Rasputin: breaks a part of his code into a exo
Exo: gets given the light
Rasputin: wait, *that's illegal*
With the demise of Felwinter's ghost, even though her core remained active enough for us to transmit what remained of Felwinter himself (the submind) into Rasputin, there was not enough of Felwinter, to transmit the power of the Light. Besides it takes a ghost to raise a Guardian, so I guess in theory a Guardianless Ghost COULD 'adopt' Rasputin, and thus confer the Light upon him.
It's happened. Shin is the most well known example.
Fynch: YE YE LETS GO
He should do like we did for Osiris's ghost.
@@HighCharityYTI mean, technically Fynch still has a Guardian who hasn’t died a final death. He just hasn’t revived him.
Ooorrr, a certain witch queen is missing her ghost currently.
I’m certainly predicting a return of savathun though, in one capacity or another. Though it would be interesting if her ghost were to decide to side with us and confer the light upon Rasputin. It’d be…something…if he were somehow able to use the light via warsats, given they are to a degree an extension of himself.
With the new end of the season cutscene, I think it's entirely possible rasputins death leads to a ghost reviving him as a guardian believing it to still be felwinter.
Its never a good thought when the super powerful robot god is like, "yo even im scared of myself"
Shows responsibility actually
Great sign
The other piece of this story I'd really like them to reintegrate is Banshee-44 as a clone-mind of Clovis. When Rasputin started talking about having wiped memories of Nefele Stronghold, my first thought was that Banshee's probably got them locked away in his mind somewhere.
I thought he was the true clovis just with no memories where the clovis ai is maybe more like clovis while alive it is really just a copy of his mind. Banshee 44 being the true clovis as an exo merely with none of his memories of clovis
@@koontz1154 yeah the Clovis of this season is an AI that the original human Clovis made to be a snapshot of his mind that would assist him after he became an Exo. After he was fully convinced that partial memory wipes + Clarity were the one and only way to keep a human mind from rejecting an Exo body, he accepted that after he switched to his new body he would have to have an imperfect memory, so the AI modeled after him was his contingency plan. Banshee is OG Clovis after his redemption arc, and the Clovis AI is almost like a fancy chatbot based very closely on him.
@midgetspinner5354 that is what makes it really interesting as well, because in my mind I can totally see the witness being interested in the non human clovis ai and exploiting the raw hubris and ego within it, especially now that we have "betrayed" him in his mind by not playing ball his way. It could definitely go plenty of ways.
@@koontz1154 oh yeah, it could definitely go that way, I think the story will for sure treat Clovis AI as a real person, especially after that moment when Ana erased him from the exo frame. Ana and Elsie both knew he was still in the big robot head in DSC, but Ana still acts sick to her stomach like she killed him after deleting him from the exo body.
@midgetspinner5354 I think it totally shows how manipulative he is and was, as well as Ana being so vulnerable when dealing with anything to do with her family. Honestly her naivety in the face of her family when she is such a powerful guardian and stoic person otherwise is really well done. Those closest to you are those most capable of getting through your defenses. I just love how her and Elsie and the bray family has been written, along with Rasputin being more human than his creator merely through being treated as one by Ana and his truly admirable way of thinking of humanity. I can't wait to see how it develops.
I see it less that Felwinter is Rasputins dad and more that it was like a organ donation from a son
I can't help but think back to Moss-2 and his neural implant that allows his Ghost to control him. That was way too random of a thing to be casually thrown out to us during this season and in such an important activity. I get the feeling Rasputin may well get a ghost this way.
Or Rasputin could wear Felwinter's Helm! You Know! The one with a Ghost in the back!
Here's something that boggled my mind.
If things were different back then and both Felwinter and Rasputin were able to settle things more easier, rather than Rasputin using SIVA on him and the other Iron Lords, could you imagine the power Felwinter would have if he was fully integrated with the Warsat Network while still having the Light?
It's still a possibility now.
@@majesticmajestic7058 Oh without a doubt with Rasputin, but it was something that boggled my mind.
@@WrathNebula321 He would probably have a more thorough understanding of the light, paracasuality, since he's still a warmind with massive computational power, probably could easily make echoes like Osiris, and forget a golden gun imagine a golden arura knife, light buffed nuclear payloads, an army of light powered frames and golems, the ability to see, calculate, deduce ontological weapons and abilities and deduce conceptual response before a threat is even there.
@@majesticmajestic7058 Its possible, but we'll have to wait and see if we ever get to see Rasputin as a guardian.
Guardian: hey Osiris what was up with Felwinter’s helm
Osiris: we don’t talk about the helmet
It bothers me that when retrieving Felspring, we are told only Iron Lords can access the temple and are denied access even though Salad Bin made us Iron Lord's at the end of Destiny 1. Or did I miss something?
I was wondering that too, but I think it's that they are just playing it safe- with so many of D2's players having never played D1, chances are if you had Saladin let us in as a fellow iron lord there'd be a lot of confusion. It's safer for Saladin to lock the doors for friend and and fellow iron lord alike temporarily (it WAS just under seige).
It didn’t say that. It said Saladin only lets people into the temple when absolutely necessary. It wasn’t necessary for our mission, therefore we didn’t go inside.
In vanilla d2, there were dialogue differences based on how much you'd played d1. I did play d1, but never played Rise of Iron, so my Guardian isn't the young wolf, so i shouldn't get in.
Enough of the playerbase is d2 only that they probably decided not to cause a split and just nope everyone from going in.
But RoI veterans should get in, definitely. Did you play Rise?
Or maybe we can go in later in the season. Anything could happen.
I don't think Bungie would remake the iron temple for a quick one and done, too much effort for something so small.
@@quinnhart8438 It was under siege when we were let in, Saladin just killed a Vandal with a heavy machine gun before opening the door.
@@SymbioteMullet A minor issue with that is the people who played D1 but remade their guardian for d2. I swapped my Hunter's gender on day one of the Red War, so now I'm stuck getting all the new player dialogue even though I played through all of d1 basically from day 1. I even played a decent amount of the open beta, if IIRC.
The warlock mentor lineage makes so much sense now that we know Felwinter taught Osiris, who taught Ikora (who probably was a key mentor of Aunor). All 4 can be summed up as seeking knowledge no matter what the cost.
Calling it now: Efrideet is on Neptune with the Cloud Striders. Saladin is going to be grumpy about that, but is going to be relatively ok with Rasputin since he’s now spent time with the Cabal.
Describing siva is always a bit of a sticking point in destiny lore videos. I think the shortest hand description for onboarding people to siva is "grey goo that is programmed to be useful; building, repairing, or breaking down things." Or be commanded to be more like typical grey goo and kill the ironlords, as the case was that one important time.
But SIVA is red and black, not gray
Rasputin giving us SIVA subclass confirmed *Airhorns*
I think Rasputin as a guardian is already set up, he’s proven the concept of devotion, bravery, sacrifice, and death once, and seems to be prepared to do it again by his talk of protecting us and the traveler.
I'm *really* curious to see what they do with Rasputin now. With Felwinter's Memories, the ability to *SPEAK*, and all the progress he's had from D1, D2 Vanilla/Warmind....
Real potential for a damn good up-front character, not just a background one anymore.
sounds like clovis II died of fatal familial insomnia, it is in fact so sad, a friend of mine has it and has had some scares in the past, he lost his mom to it as well and I believe it’s usually passed on from the mother, which is a weird non-connection here in the story.
Something I never thought about till now, The Iron Lord's wanted Siva, but Rasputin was mad that Felwinter got given the Light and used Siva to kill him. But now Rasputin feels regret for that now. So there is no reason for us to try and use Siva again. Specially if it's completely under Rasputin 2.0 control.
Siva is about to be rendered moot, bud.
I honestly think that the more interesting part of this is HOW they got Felwinter's memories. From a destroyed Felspring. Meaning that we now have more info on how Ghosts actually do what they do. We use to theorize that ghosts pulled us from alternate realities where we didn't die in order to resurrect us. This proves that false now. This proves that Ghosts have back-ups of literally everything we are stored somewhere. That's the only way that they would have all of our memories stored as far as I can tell.
there's still the likelyhood this is exclusive to Exo guardians. Remember the new lore about the Tex Mechanica guardian with a direct link to his ghost? Machine to Machine can connect easily in a way Machine to flesh can't even in D2's golden age universe (billboarding in exo's for example).
@@s_t_r_a_y_e_d That's a good possibility, but I doubt that Ghosts actually work any differently from Guardian to Guardian since they all come from the same source. The Moss-2 link-up IS most likely only possible with Exo since they're both what I would consider Techno-Organic beings and due to this can share a stream of consciousness or data uplink if you prefer. Your theory still holds merit though.
Admittedly Ghosts being techno-organic is just speculation on my part, but I do have a theory that's still plausible if Rasputin was made to stop the Traveler from leaving during the Collapse. I say made because Ras doesn't seem to know if this happened or not and it could have been something Clovis did through him. Could have been a failed attempt to destroy the Traveler given what we know now.
Odin is also noted as sacrificing themself on the world tree for knowledge after having already sacrificed their eye earlier in life for the same.
Interesting how clovis calls rasputin simply an AI and not alive, yet rasputin is more human than clovis ever was
That type of think happens in real life
Narcissists are freaking comedic at times
Guardian: "Where is S.I.V.A?"
Ana: "I'll do you one better, what is S.I.V.A"
Rasputin: "I'll do you one better... Why is S.I.V.A"
Felwinter: "How is S.I.V.A?"
Rasputin integrating Felwinter's memory is basically dad reading his late son's diaries.
If Rasputin ever gets limbs, I'd actually like to see an interaction between him and Banshee.
The great-grandfather?
The more I think about this and I dont know if it was talked about before. But the fact that Felwinter became a guardian, doesn't that mean that the exo frame had an actual person in it before it was turned into a golem, and that guy was just erased from his own body.
No, not necessarily. The warmind is arguably a consciousness. A purely digital one, similar to the exos but at the same time different. The important thing here is the philosphical stance that an advanced AI, similar to a digital copy of an organic human mind, is a conscious being.
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I see felwinters relationship with rasputin as: felwinter is rasputins son that donated a kidney to rasputin that saved his life
I love that part at the beginning "who are you your fascinating" gave me a good chuckle there
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I still think that we could benefit from Clovis being "given legs". It could easily give us a good jumping off point for Destiny 3 story. It would allow a Fallout Relationship we could follow that could be an interesting angle to mine for lore and gameplay.
I know they said we won't get a D3 but I think more and more it's gonna have to be an option
I doubt we’ll ever get a D3. I think it’s more likely and probably a better idea to just evolve D2 rather than build a new game like with mmorpgs like WOW
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Firstly thank you for making these videos. They help those of us that are new or didn't get the season pass to be more knowledgeable about the lore. I am glad that you mentioned how Felwinter's experiences with death are now part of Rasputin's memory since that was the biggest thing to occupy my thoughts on this after the last video. Especially considering the first handful of deaths after being brought back as a guardian when he knew nothing, was confused, and was untrusting. Your comment about Rasputin now in a way being an iron lord got me thinking about how now he knows everything about the original iron lords like training, how they operated, and the different ways they could use their abilities. I feel like this opens an opportunity to have Rasputin involved in iron banner due to the training, but to also further add to subtype classes in the future to create more ability diversity. After all he has extreme computational power, knowledge of paracausal forces to an extent, experiences wielding the light, experiences witnessing how others wielded the light, and knowledge of how the light can be extinguished. While Felwinter's memories provide most of the listed experiences the knowledge of how to extinguish the light came from both of their perspectives from when he killed the iron lords with siva, and that could prove impactful in future events if adapted against the darkness or to protect the light from being taken out of the vessels it is in.
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What if Rasputin gets revived as a Guardian, and using the light, he can imbue his Warsat and submunitions with the light. After all, all the weapons like the Valkyrie javelin are weapons spawned from the energy core from his facility to make matter be manifested into the shape of weapons? What if that's how we can start to deal decisive blows to the black fleet?
Light Valkyries go brrr.
Thanks for the hard work
I want to see Rasputin to use SIVA to absolutely crush Clovis.
Replication facilities are destroyed and they never designed auxiliary sites to make more. What’s left is paltry to use on a massive scale.
Tech from new city, goes all string theory on him
@@acgearsandarms1343 What's stopping it from being rebuilt, Failsafe still has Siva onboard her cargo, she just doesn't have access to it, Rasputin can access it because he set the directive in the first place, from there he could give the directive to rebuild the Replication complex, or rebuild it himself with his frames and golems.
@@majesticmajestic7058 We initiated the self destruct in Rise of Iron. That’s why.
@@acgearsandarms1343 we only self destructed the one in the Plaguelands of the Cosmodrome.
Happy new year LoreDaddy BYF
If we have Felwinter back then I want a hell of an unlikely duo.
Fynch leaves his knight and becomes Rasputin/Felwinters ghost.
Fynch and Felwinter would be so cool and funny.
Now that we have Rasputin like, for real back and with us, do you think we could ask him about SIVA? Maybe make some more cool things with it under his control? Maybe Rasputin gives me a new Genesis Chain?
They are bringing wraith of the machine back so maybe
Look up the actual Siddhartha, his name's evocation is CRAZY in this story.
“Fry, you idiot! YOU BECAME YOUR OWN GRANDPA!”
If Rasputins exo frame were to become a guardian I can only imagine the lengths Clovis would go to to get his hands on that body for himself, could even see a second spider/crow relationship there
I really really enjoy your unscripted videos. It's nice seeing the old byf back. I've been watching you since the beginning of d1.
Belive in your self guardian. You are a amazing lore daddy.
Ok but what if... we do the full scan thing in the DSC and we have Rasputin-1 in the not too distant future?
The questions about the Traveler's gifts is always interesting & I wonder if we'll ever get any firm answers about it, what it is, what its made of or what's in it, how it chooses, etc. I'm always going to hope that we get to go inside of it. But I'm of a different mind about the experience of murdering itself, I think that would be a fascinating experience.
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Rasputin becoming a guardian would be a epic way to end the season, might be the best end to a season
Byf your editing is fine, and at least in your gameplay you have the Gjallarhorn catalyst lol
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that was confusing but I am glad you explained. thank you!
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I appreciate how we're all talking about the memory and "Rasputin had Light" side of things, but not the part where the *single most cultured entity in the system* will soon have legs to school us all in the art of spontaneous song and dance.
i like to think the golem that was felwinter eventually developed enough personality to be recognized as a candidate to be risen, and as the hive have proven, the shape of the person doesnt matter as long as it can rise. that said, if rasputin were to die when he is fully reformed and completely integrated into his entire arsenal while also having developed just as much personality as the golem, and then risen, could there be a possibility of the warsat network becoming *paracausal* ?
That's a terrifying thought right there.
It should, Rasputin's only weakness was that he wasn't paracasual.
I do wish more people talked about the Cabal casually finding and using Pyramid suppressing technology in the Witch Queen story. Why aren't we reverse engineering that stuff? As far as I can tell, we have no other weapons against these ships
"Isn't it obvious?
YOU'RE YOUR OWN GRANDPA."
-Professor Farnsworth to Fry
“ In a weird way Rasputin in his own grandfather” - “I’m my own grandson” plays in background
Rasputin is his own grandfather is giving me futurama vibes. Now I cant unsee him having a freak out over it lol.
Working on your theory about rasputin. I see it as his son saved his life by giving him what little life he had lived. Felwinter may have been a part of big red but that doesn't mean big red's son didn't have a big heart as well. I personally would love to see at the end of this chapter before neomoona that rasputin gets a chance to properly bury his son and mourn him.
Edit:clarity.
His own grandfather? I've got a futurama episode for you...
Concerning Rasputin dying... Since Felwinter is a part of Rasputin, and Felwinter became a Guardian, is Felwinter the one being revived? And, isn't there some rule about a Ghost not taking a Ghostless as their Guardian?
I don't believe there is a rule. It's already happened in the lore (I think it was related to that last word fellow, shin something)
Its probably just really uncommon. We've seen ghosts still to this date wondering the galaxy looking for "thier" Gaurdian since the collapse.
Gotta keep in mind maybe some people just don't want a new ghost..
Thanks for being good to Martin.
Would a guardian Rasputin somehow make the warsats infused with the light, or would that be one hell of a reach? Cause I know guardians can infuse their weapons with the light and do it semi-regularly. Also, could a Guardian Rasputin get his memories back? Similar to Savathûn? At the very least, a guardian Rasputin could better enhance weapons made by warmind foundries via the light. Which would be a massive bonus to humanity.
If Rasputin was standing in a Well of Radiance, would the Warsats get the damage buff?
the traveler now becomes the warmind's ghost.
That is highly terrifying and I love it.
Long back when Rise of Iron dropped, I remember reading the lore when Felwinter & his pal Timir were looking for a bunker of Rasputin. This fresh after reading the memories of the Iron Lords artifacts that would lead up to this. In the D1 Fallen S.A.B.E.R. strike there is a scannable in the room after the arc conduit that documents the bunker's boot up sequence to be a time from long ago. Given the fact that Timir was an Accomplished Storm Caller it made sense with the lore that came afterwards in rise of iron after Taken king.
Now, fast forward to d2, season of the worthy and an interesting Retcon was done. They took the story of Felwinter and Timir investigating the bunker and reversed the character roles. In fact I would go as far and say that D1 Timir is now D2 Felwinter & Vice Versa. For where the story has been going that switch worked very well. I'm happy to see it play out as it did.
One thing I would have loved to see was Timir return after the wrath of the machine raid but now as an Embodiment of Arc energy living within the Siva control network. Aksis' lore card from D1 mentions that while the Siva flowing through him made him powerful he couldn't shake the sound of another voice in his head. I fancied the thought that in order to survive the Siva Purge, Timir pulled a Toland and did the first & only Arc Self Rez but his mind got shattered or scattered in the process. Thus he would become a villain machine god worse than The Devil Splicers.
But that was my theory :-)
That may have been the hardest I've laughed at a Byf video with that "Who are you? You're fascinating" bit about the non-rasputin knowers.
I look at the integration of Felwinter kind of like a GIT branch flow where Felwinter is a branch off of the Main (the warmind) and the branch has finally been merged back into the MAIN branch with the changes being applied. git branch flow can be a complicated subject if you don't know the basics of git but over all, its really simple concept.
One thing i think about, now that Rasputin reintegrated Felwinter's memories, is that now he knows how it's to wield the light, now he knows how to use paracausal energy, being light or darkness, maybe he even knows how it's possible to resurrect people, or make weapons based on paracusal energy... It's weird to think that Felwinter became a guardian, but it's even more interesting to think how Rasputin will use this knowledge
What I want to know is: Does the reintegration of Fellwinter's memories into Rasputin mean he has a better understanding of the light and how to use it. Remember, We used his Valkyrie to kill a worm god, and that was from studying us for a bit. What can he learn from a lifetime of USING the light as Fellwinter?
Someone teach Rasputin to sing, I've got a song he needs
Iron lords: what is this sorcery?
Felwinter: nano machines, son!!!!
Can't believe Rasputin Philip J. Fry'd himself into being his own grandfather
its kind of a christ story cause he gave his son to walk among the ppl and then he died and then came back to him. twisted but the metaphor is there
No doubt, I definitely see the parallel
Sort of. Christ gave himself up willingly and rose 3 days later. Felwinters death wasn't the catalyst that saved humanity so the comparisons don't really weld together all that well.
@@gibster9624 its not identical no but felwinters death and reintegration into Rasputin is what changed rasputin, similar to the change in how god interacts with human from the old to new testimony
Crazy to think about that rasputin will have memories of using and know how to use the light without ever having wielded it.
The original Felwinter's lie was the gun was not a shotgun, was a sniper
Yep, it just reminds me of some fun time travelling paradox
We need a Martin enjoying his time off bit in a upcoming tslayp just for the funnies
Rasputin “My family tree is shaped like a doughnut.”
How sick would it be for Rasputin to gain the light once he's in the exoframe, fully.
1:29 ok i know who rasputin is
(Clears throat)
Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin was a self proclaimed holy man with healing powers, that allegedly healed Nicholas the second first born son, and also had a song written about him by Boney M., or are we talking about Razputin Aquato from Psychonauts? He goes by Raz tho.
Think more of it as felwinter being a reincarnation of rasputin
So let me get this straight: from the lore we know, Rasputin segmented a portion of himself for the purpose of studying humanity, and that portion is uploaded into an Exo body under the SIDDHARTA GOLEM protocol. That is then lost in the Collapse and then revived in the Dark Age by a Ghost that calls the Exo Felwinter. Without the emotional capacity to understand anger or grief, Rasputin baits Felwinter with SIVA and destroys him along with the Iron Lords as collateral - terminating a rogue asset under the ABSALOM KNIFE protocol.
That portion of Rasputin was then reintegrated back into Rasputin in the current season (Seraph). Now Rasputin has all of Felwinter's memories, and he's changing. That won't mean Rasputin will be like Felwinter, it just means he'll use his experiences to make better decisions moving forward, under the assumption Rasputin will live longer than this season. With Eramis going slightly over the edge thanks to the Witness reviving Praksis as Wrathborn, I imagine she'll use her Splicers to hack Rasputin's systems to gain control of those Warsats and attack the Traveller, like it was designed to in the ABHORRENT IMPERATIVE protocol.
Clovis Bray's Journal is the best science fiction I've read in decades.
At this point, asking "Who is Felwinter?" Is like asking, "Who is Anakin Skywalker?"
1:21 That straight up made me giggle
Oryx was a bad dad, in the eyes pretty much everyone in Sol, Clovis, was a terrible father and grandfather to his family, as stated by Elizabeth and the lore. But while Rasputin did murder his son, and the Iron Lords, as well as committed other atrocities in the past, he at least realized his mistakes, and felt guilt, remorse, and grief over the death of his son. He felt guilt over sacrificing millions of people when the Collapse came, and his failure to protect them, twice now. Which is more than can be said for Oryx or Clovis. For a machine, he’s more “human” than either of them. At least, the least worse. He wishes to be better, and to be seen as more than a Tyrant.
To be fair to Oryx, he bent to the sword logic, only the strongest may survive
I wouldn’t call him a bad dad because of culture, he was probably more human than we realize because after we kill his son, he is so distraught with it, that he actually starts a war to avenge his son. He also watched over his son’s funeral as well. He obviously cares for Crota but he also can’t show weakness in a culture where only the strongest survive
How was Oryx a bad father?
@@SplicerOtterHe implemented that culture. His son was a weapon to him and he started a war in Sol because we insulted his authority by robbing him of a useful subject. That’s how the Hive think, and that’s how Oryx WANTED them to think.
@@H240909 actually, it was his sister that did most of that. Also Oryx banished his son for nearly bringing the end of the Hive because Crota was tricked by Savâthun to open a portal to the hive realm
@@SplicerOtter All the siblings implemented the sword logic AND brutally reinforced it. Oryx was THE leader of the Hive, and he championed the sword logic he helped create. Also, he didn’t just exile Crota. He threw him into the Vex network and told him to die or be useful. Genocidal fanatics make terrible parents. End of story.
Feels like the “Ship of Theseus” question in WandaVision /real life
What a truly terrifying and scary video
You're missing the part where the horrific genetic disease given to Clovis II was deliberate. It wasn't an accident caused by the genetic engineering, it was intentional. Clovis I had this disease and making Clovis II a genetic copy of himself was guaranteed to give him that disease. He also deliberately gave that disease to Elsie. In both cases this was intended to inspire them. A fire beneath their feet, just as it was for Clovis I. The Exo program would not have been as successful or as fast as it was if Clovis wasn't staring down a horrible horrible death.
Imagine Rasputin being a Guardian. I see him as a Stormcaller in a Stormtrance, a Dawnblade with the sword stylised to look like the Valkyrie Javelin, or a Shadebinder maybe.
you dont have to have a ghost to wield stasis, so shadebinder would make the most sense
9:53 after byf said that I just heard sweet Home Alabama in my head😂
i feel given he has a soul, machine or not, if given light by the traveler and a ghost it seems fair that he could become a guardian in some capacity and be restored if killed, but that innate light gaining could result in a bit of a memory wipe like what is seen with crow and implied to have happened with all the other guardians
Wasn't expecting a Futurama reference from this video.
Could u imagine if Bungie pulled a time traveling card on us again further down the line revealing that our guardian is actually Rasputin in guardian form sent back in time or something to change the course of humanity’s history, revealing how grim the old timeline would be had we not been awaken when we did.
And us being a “warmind-guardian” could be an interesting reason as to why we are so special compared to the average guardian in lore.
Just a thought
Byf, you're gonna hate me for this BUT:
The subminds across the system (both the reintegrated and separate subminds) could potentially be considered "family" to Rasputin in a vaguely similar way to how he regards Felwinter as his son.
There was already a tiny bit of AI incest in this (Rasputin1->Felwinter->Rasputin2) but the subminds are similarly offshoots of Rasputin. Using your own simplified analogy; if Rasputin is 10 stacks of data, and Felwinter is 1 stack of that data copied and simplified into an Exo frame, the subminds could be considered 1 or 2 stacks of data left in charge of various facilities. Would they be considered Rasputin-1's nephews and/or nieces?
Rasputin gaining Felwinter's memories is like that meme... "you ever look at someone and wonder what's going on inside their head?"
Well Rasputin is getting that with Felwinter......full on, uncensored, uncut and raw as fuck. Being able to look at yourself through the eyes of another like that........and see all of your own flaws on full display? Helluva eye-opening experience.
I think I might explode if I don't figure out what Byf's outro music is.
not sure if anyone has said anything about this but since Rasputin has the memories of Felwinter and we know that exos are basically a complete copy of the brain which just translates into memories ie how to talk, read, walk, what happened in felwinter’s peak x amount of time ago. Then could we or more Rasputin and maybe some help from Clovis remake Felwinter? there’s no use or functionality in to doing such but then again Rasputin regrets what he did to his son and he might have the power to undo that change in a way. I don’t think it would matter narratively if felwinter could use the light again ignoring the fact that felspring is dead.
Also interesting thought Rasputin also knows what it feels like wielding the light