In 2008 I had a 2008 Chevy dually w/ 3 car hauler, made great money,drove lower 48, slept in my truck 20% of the time 80% in hotels. I had to shut down because started my business with no capital at all. Existing bills started to pile up,and remember in 2008 diesel gas prices was crazy high! I had new equipment but didn't have extra money to pay my bills until I get caught up making enough pickups and deliveries. This is just to help a reader that sees this. Have at least 6 to 12 months of funds on hand before you start out
I lease out 1ton dually with towing capabilities - our program design helps owners get running without messing up cash flow and having all of your capital tied into the trucks themselves. If anyone is interested in hearing about it just give me a call. Name: Ivan Hunter, Phone number: 716-681-6700. Email: Ivan.L.Hunter@ehi.com - I work for Enterprise Truck rental out of Buffalo, NY.
lorenz rowe Thats a tricky question..........Do you want to know what they say it can tow and do so once or twice a year or do you want to know what it can truly tow all day everyday without problems ;)
lorenz rowe In rough terrain,mountains,logging roads,etc you could cut the max by half.But if its less of a severe duty 75-80% is a good maximum number to go by in stock form.I've been in the towing business for years and when picking a chassis I try not to ever go above 75% of the ratings.I work with others who have bought trucks that on paper can handle the loads,but realistically they end up with too small a truck and end up burning through them. One contractor I work with bought a F250 dualy and he used to make fun of us for buying a 450 to do the same job.He added airbags and a few other mods to help but after 10 transmissions,6 rears,4 motors and 3 trucks later we're still running that same F 450.Yes it was more up front and unloaded mileage is a little less(but better loaded) but in the long run it has been much cheaper and more profitable but I wasnt going to argue with him because I enjoyed picking up the slack when his rig was down ;) Also you need to think about resale value too,nobody wants a ragged out overworked truck.With all things being equal if you pick a truck with a little headroom to work with over something just barely capable of getting things done.You will find it much easier to sell and recoup more of your investment from the bigger truck.
He should have gone with an F550. They use a D130 rear axle. The F450 uses a D80. There is a significant strength difference between them. The F550 is intended for commercial use, so holds up better to towing that much weight all day long.
@The Fast Lane Truck - You guys should do more stories on small independent hotshot trucking. I love watching those! I recently just purchased my own Freightliner FL50 with a 36" sleeper and a 24' aluminum gooseneck trailer to do some side jobs hauling cars on weekends.
The death wobble is not just on ford, all other brand have them too, the correct way to fix it is you haft to get your front end tightened, your steering stabilizer is probably loose.
Neat that he upgraded to a Kenworth T680 and an 8-car trailer not long after this video, if you're driving the miles might as well be getting paid for 8 cars instead of 3, especially at the same loaded mpg.
Reason he's blowing up rear ends is due to the fact the pickup is exceeding the GVW mandated by Ford. The death wobble is due to worn shocks and cheap tires. At least he wised up in the end and recognized he needed a Class 8. 7.5 mpg wow I get that in a 02 FLD 120 Freightliner pulling 80,000 lbs. His gross weight is what I weigh empty.
Terrance Herwig if I want to buy my first used 18-wheeler. What makes do you recommend if I want to just spend 20K or maybe 30K at the most? Freightliner, Volvo, Peterbilt? And what's the safest kind of freight to transport from your experience?
@@giovanitorres9360 At that price point you're going to be stuck with a HIGH MILEAGE used "Cornbinder" (International) or "Freightshaker" (Freightliner). Buy a dry van for LTL bulk as a flatbed is more expensive and the heavier loads will kill your older truck.
Actually DW is a inherent issue with the style of suspension used in these trucks and Jeeps. It comes from loose components. His tires (rears were only visible) looked to be Michelin LTX, so not "cheap". The HD Fords are known to have alignment issues when loaded heavily, that's what is eating his tires. In the end, he needs a heavier truck.
@@mdnky Yep. The heavier 550 variant with an aftermarket suspension upgrade does pretty well up here in the NE US. I would also recommend the longer-framed (10ft or 12ft bed) version because of the heavier rear end. The GM 6500 would also be an option here.
The 2011 F-450 is using the F-350 set up. This is the reason you are having problems with the dif and front suspension. My Dad has an 08 F-450 with 19.5 wheel and Dana 110 with 4.88 gear. He has over 450K miles on the truck with no problems with the dif or front suspension. The truck has been perfect with the exception of the 6.4. It is still running the same trans and shifts perfect. Ford brought back the HD F-450 in the newer trucks. The 6.7 with the 19.5's and Dana 110 is the perfect setup for hauling. My Dad's normal load is around 26K to 28K Lbs...
The problem with the "death wobble" is the tires are under inflated. We had this problem with our 12,000lb F350 and inflating the tires to the recommended PSI always solved it.
Hands down the best way to put TT that much weight on a truck is starting with a 26k gvwr like my 99 International 3800 loading one or 2 cars on its flatbed. Then if CDL holder, mount a stinger steered 5th whl totaling your length at 75ft long truck& Trlr. This trailer can be a 35-45' long lowpro 25k gvwr and you'd have over 60ft deck space. I'm not CDL so my truck only pulls a 10k gvwr trailer holding 7000 lbs so 2 small cars or a truck. My 23ft truck deck 12' upper & 11' lower rear deck holds 2 dinky cars or cargo trlrs. Mine grosses $3/mile
all these companies already a have a good estimate of what weekly expenses look like, they paid just enough to bait you into the job. Than everything goes down hill if a big repair, accident, claim, fines, and taxes hit.
Apparently the fix for the deathwoble is to add an aftermarket steering stabilizer shock like you get when you lift these trucks. Poor engineering on Fords part IMO.
Had an old Cherokee with death wobble and same as you describe, bridge joints in a curve would cause chaos. I Replaced all ball joints expecting it was the issue. Finally I replaced the steering stabilizer and POOF it was gone.
There are people out there that actually make use of their trucks, and this video proves it. Car manufacturers pay close attention to these true torture tests on vehicles by their customers. I've wondered why sometimes manufacturers make smalls changes to vehicles each year, such as improved steering stabilizers or small cooling fins on a diff cover, but this video explains why.
I've been hauling a 4 car wedge with my 2012 ram 3500 for 2.5 years now. avg 30k-36k lbs pending on vehicles. with around 270k miles. and I've had one problem and that was the fuel pump. once. ram 3500 has a higher towing capacity than a f450. this is the first Chrysler product I've owned. 2012 was the last year trucks w/o DEF. honestly I would not buy any other brand for hotshot trucking. I'm a true believer now. my routes are from southeast to the northeast and back. no programming, stock everything. only a k&n cold air intake. drive what you choose. but I would recommend cumins. . think about it. are there any v8 diesel 18 wheelers anymore? In line 6 cylinders produce more torque. take this advice or leave it. it's working for me
Hello larry im thinking about starting my own business using a 4 car wedge. Do you mind corresponding with me through email so i can ask you a few questions and pick your brain a bit. My email address is Oroberts8802@gmail.com
are you still out there working? i appreciate your knowledge. i wanted to get started hauling cars. i've read alot of comments & for some reason you seem like that you will lace me up with the game. if you don't mind can you respond through my email address? its ced_wilson74@yahoo.com
Hey Larry have a question for you in the 26000 pound rule does the truck pull capacity get added to the capacity to stay away from having to get a cdl? Just trying to see how much weight I can haul if I get a dodge 4500 which weight is 8700 pounds with a 5 car Kaufman?
I had the same wobble on my Dodge 2500 an I put 2 horizontal stabilizer shocks in front of the front axle and got rid of the wobble. Hope it will work for you.
Roman & TFL Truck guys, great video and very interesting. Glad to see a video 'review' of this truck by people who use it for work. Please more episodes like this! Love the whole look into the transporting world and all the info provided about the job as well. Keep 'em coming. I will keep checking back! :)
Im a Cummins man 100% but I always give due respect to Duramax's it has nothing to do with Chevy or GM but rather an appreciation I have for Isuzu the actual manufacturers of the engine.
In 2011 Ford went to a Dana 80 rear Axle and 17 inch wheel E Rated, in 2008 to 2010 they had a Dana 110 with 19.5s, they are going back to Dana 110 in 2015 make the Rear Diff much stronger for that much weight.
I drive a 2012 F350 6.7 Diesel, it has 830,000 KMS (515.000) miles. The truck a single rear axle, I added a leaf spring and air bags. I tow about the same weight, on a 42' 5th wheel trailer. I only had to change the diff once, its a 3.73. I think Mike is hard on the throttle when taking off loaded. Also, the tires, the best tires to run on these rigs are Michelin LTX, they last 70-80KM so about 45K Miles if properly rotated. Also i never head a death wobble on the truck and never hear of it on a ford !!!
Never understood that problem ford had with their front tires. Happened to my friends ford and it hasn't been a year since he bought it brand new. Then again its ford what do we expect.
Sounds like something in the front end like the track bar bushing, or track bar balljoint has play and is trigerring the death wobble, a proper wheel alignment should keep the tires from getting outside wear in and front and getting cupped.
I just buoyed and returned the f250 power stroke…it had that death wobble..smh…2019 that had 25k miles on it super clean but…had to act up in the dealer ship to get my tundra back
You still haul cars. I've been trying to get my car moved 325 miles. From Portland or. To boise idaho. For 2 weeks nothing but lies and shippers trying to pull a fast one. I would have never thought moving as car could be so aggravating.
I will never run anyother pick up than a Dodge with a Cummins. At 515k+ original motor and trans, no complaints here! If you look on the highways the Cummins are the king of the roads.
2013 F450: rear differential is 4.30, Maximum 5th wheel towing is 24.7k. Since Mike's pickup is out of warranty, we can say that it was good for him, when Ford did honor the warranty on the differentials, because he was constantly exceeding the factory specs, by doing 36k lbs GCWR. And as others have pointed out. An F550(4.80 rear differential) or higher, with single cab and 2wd would be a better candidate for doing these kind of towing daily.
Im jealous of you americans, you get to pull and tow so heavy loads with your pickups and over here in sweden we have all kinds of regulations and weight rules and you need all kinds of drivers licence to do so.
Pretty Impressed! Hes hauling more then the specs says he can and has just shy of 200 thousand miles! He never really said anything about engine problems, When you`re hauling that weight frying the axle is understandable and lastly the death wobble is with every truck. Just my opinion but hauling that weight in a chevy would scare me because of all the alignments needed. My neighbor is the manager of a travel company and His 3 Gms are pretty good aside from a couple glowplugs, one of them has a dying trans and the other thing is all the alignments he needs done on them. Lastly I live here in BC and a lot of his tours go through the Rockies and Up Rogers Pass and The Coquahala Highway. Those are nasty roads. He tries not using the GMs for the fully loaded tours because they sometimes goes into limp mode up the passes and that can really hurt business. Just My opinion. Thanks!
I did auto transport for a few months with a 6.0 powerjoke it was the worst driving it to California and back to Arizona. If I had the chance to do it again I'd do it independent and not through a company.
The chevy can't even tow this much so that's not an option..and after 200k miles of towing 35,000 pounds he gone through a couple diffs that ford paid for I don't see a problem the dodge engine wouldnt break but all The truck around it would fall apart
trevor philips You should do your research sir before you make wild claims about a Chevrolet not being able to tow that much. The light duty starts out at 11,000 pounds.
Sorry, but i just replayed that segment and there was no admission of illegality there. Right at the end there's a tacit admission that his current truck/trailer combo may not be up to the job so he's thinking of upgrading. His sunk cost will go up which will require him either to raise his rates or cut his margin.
was rather surprised about the axle failures till I looked up GCVR of that truck. 33K LBS and he is running 36K LBS so 3K over weight. Definitely stressing the power train running 1.5 tons over weight.
that's not the problem, ford is the problem. I run a 07 dodge 3500 pulling 4 car hauler and it has 311k thousand miles with little problems. Go to the auction, these trucks pull the loads every day with little issues. Most of us run dodges.
Just get a late 90's--early 2000's Ford E450 cab/chassis (7.3L diesel or the 6.8L V10) and install a DOT approved sleeper on it. Should get you a little better fuel economy, you wont have the same front end issues, and you gain that sleeper to spend the night in... My old Freightliner could have hauled that truck, trailer, and all the cars and would have gotten much better fuel economy. I used to get around 5 to 6.5 mpg (depending on terrain) loaded close to 80,000-lbs gross. 7.5 mpg sucks for just hauling a few cars.
If he's towing this much he definitely will not want a v10. I'm sure towing this much he'd have to measure in gallons per mile instead of miles per gallon 😂
The so called Death wabble is not just a Ford thing and changing the tires is not the fix. All solid front axle trucks and jeeps ext. can have the problem. A lot of people change the front steering stabilizer and that seams to be a good fix.
mopar has the worst death wobble issues out of the big three the only good thing dodge has is the cummins that's it minus that there complete shit... Buy a duramax or stick to the powerstroke
Dodge is the best truck to hotshot with. If you want proof, stop by a transport lot at an auction and see what most haulers use. I've been hauling for 15yrs. My 2011 Dodge has 460k and no blow-by yet. My 2001 made it to 650k. But I only got 275k with my 2006. Fords usually die at around 250k. Not sure about Chevy. Which ever you get, I recommend an automatic.
Interesting. If you Google for "ford death wobble" there's a bunch of aftermarket upgrades that you can install to fix it... but you'd think this would be a RECALL given that it's obviously a problem in the vehicle's design.
Man...only Ford owners would think that 4 differentials and a death wobble makes it the best truck for the job. I don't care how dyed in the wool Ram I am...if I blew up 3 differentials and had to stop every time I hit an expansion joint, I'd be jumping ship.
I got a F-250, but would of got a Ram Cummins for what that guys doing, no DEF to think about about and, Cummins are better at running high RPM's for long periods of time. Their built a bit better, last longer under tough conditions, and are more fixable.
Josh McCarthy Rams have their own front end problems (including death wobble), notorious for their ball joints, the weakest automatic transmission in that segment (68RFE) and the lack of DEF caused those engines to burn a lot more fuel. Though I think the 2014 Ram 3500 with the new chassis, AISIN tranny, and stronger diff, and inclusion of DEF would have fixed all that. But then Chrysler seems to be still doing a lot of recalls on their products. You probably think I hate Rams after reading this, but no I really like them, I would buy the 2014 Ram 2500 when the time is right. But I am just pointing out, as many others have, they all have their problems.
MrChevypower I have a ram with 311k miles with no death wobble issues. Death wobble is usually an issue with 4wds. These guys are stupid for buying a 4wd to tow on hwy. More parts, more maintenance, more problems, and more money. The 68RFE is a great transmission and I know many car haulers that r still running their original tranny with over 300k. And ford and gm started running def just a few years before dodge so their 07-10's have the same exhaust problems. Everyone talkin shit on dodge autos is ignorant, that was 20 years ago. Today they are as bullet proof as the G56
Yeah it seems like those two things could have been fixed with some aftermarket parts the first time idk why he didn't but its kinda impressive he didn't have any other problems tho with engine trans etc
this guy spends all that money going to ford for fixing those problems. he needs to find a diesel shop that know what their doing and install caster adjuster, and bulletproof rear differential.
Christopher Yohn That's awesome! My uncles 2010 ram 3500 6.7 couldn't do better than 12mpg. I drove a 2013 ram 2500 for a short trip and got over 23mpg! The new ones are fantastic towing rigs, and get better fuel economy than most SUV's. Too bad they're over $80,000 for a new one.
+Brandon Friesen well brandon I just got one brand new for $57142 (Big horn) with the highest combination (I6.7, aison and 4.10 ratio) thats the best combination for hauling right now
Actually, DOT allows you to sleep in your truck if your fall under their requirements. There are sleepers available for one tons, OR if you dont want to buy a sleeper (roughly $10,000) you can purchase what is called a "crew cab sleeper"... the CCS meets all DOT requirements in the back seat of a pickup truck.
I live on Long Island NY and I have a Class A , im bored with my current job which gets me home everyday ..Looking for a change ,how did you get the wheels in motion with this car carrying business. Looking for some input ...
First DOT doesn't care if you sleep in your truck if you are at a rest stop or truck stop. I live in the Phoenix area and most of the vehicle haulers around here are Chevys that I have seen. I don't know if the Chevys are doing local only or long haul. I don't care what you have 4 rear ends in under 200,000 miles sucks. If it was me I would be changing something the vehicle or a complete aftermarket rear end. And I hope he realizes the money he will put into a big rig it will help him in a lot of places like more miles he can put on it but repairs are expensive on a big rig.
You do not know FMCSA laws very well do you? It is ILLEGAL to sleep in your truck if it is less than 75 inches wide interior dimensions. That is why they make sleep kits for duallys. And DOT does enforces it.
I’m trying to start my own car hauling business. How much do you charge per car? And do you need a Dot or MC for 3 to 4 car hauling trailer? Just need to be sure of all the things I need as a beginner.
I have tried all day to find an independent car transporter. Nothing but 3rd party, I google reviews...and the whole quote low, get a deposit, then change quote, hold car hostage, no refund the deposit...So many have F reports on BBB. Any suggestions? Want to transport a good running 1995 Ford Mustang, from 89015 to 78735. From a residence, with a very wide street to pick up car with.
there is a fix for the "death wobble" i had an 05 f650i drove for work and got the death wobble i took the truck to JOSAM and they fixed the front end and never experienced the wobble again
Because I dropped off the truck and told them to fix it and because it was a company truck I was not privy to that info just that it was fixed, I was even accused of warping ALL of the rims but found that was untrue
And ALL I know is that it only happens to Ford's with the straight axle front ends so they may have eliminated the problem with the twin I beam front ends, so sorry for being so vague before, hope this helps?
I really don't like that Ford switched over to coil sprung front axles... I could give a shit about the turning radius with leafs, at least death wobble is a hell of a lot less common. They should've taken a hint when Dodge went to coils in 94 that death wobble was going to be a problem. That's why GM trucks having their SLA IFS doesn't bother me as much as it does most people... It works well for what it was designed for. Solid axle is definitely more heavy duty, but I'll pass on having death wobble. Solid axle needs to be done right, with leafs... Coils with LCAs and a track bar supporting the axle just doesn't cut it, especially with trucks these days grossing as much as they can. With that being said, the Fords track bar/bushing is a lot better quality than what is found on the Rams so death wobble is not as big of a problem as it is on the Ram trucks.
In 2008 I had a 2008 Chevy dually w/ 3 car hauler, made great money,drove lower 48, slept in my truck 20% of the time 80% in hotels. I had to shut down because started my business with no capital at all. Existing bills started to pile up,and remember in 2008 diesel gas prices was crazy high! I had new equipment but didn't have extra money to pay my bills until I get caught up making enough pickups and deliveries. This is just to help a reader that sees this. Have at least 6 to 12 months of funds on hand before you start out
I lease out 1ton dually with towing capabilities - our program design helps owners get running without messing up cash flow and having all of your capital tied into the trucks themselves. If anyone is interested in hearing about it just give me a call. Name: Ivan Hunter, Phone number: 716-681-6700. Email: Ivan.L.Hunter@ehi.com - I work for Enterprise Truck rental out of Buffalo, NY.
How much are we looking to make per week? Im thinking about buying this instead of buying a semi truck
That’s a good point and good advice thank you
How much used dually truck n trailer?
This is something i've always wanted to do.
He constantly hauls 10,000 lbs more than the truck is rated at and wonders why his differential keeps going out lol.
on 16's no less lol
what's the towing capacity on this truck?
lorenz rowe Thats a tricky question..........Do you want to know what they say it can tow and do so once or twice a year or do you want to know what it can truly tow all day everyday without problems ;)
SouthJerseySound all day everyday
lorenz rowe In rough terrain,mountains,logging roads,etc you could cut the max by half.But if its less of a severe duty 75-80% is a good maximum number to go by in stock form.I've been in the towing business for years and when picking a chassis I try not to ever go above 75% of the ratings.I work with others who have bought trucks that on paper can handle the loads,but realistically they end up with too small a truck and end up burning through them.
One contractor I work with bought a F250 dualy and he used to make fun of us for buying a 450 to do the same job.He added airbags and a few other mods to help but after 10 transmissions,6 rears,4 motors and 3 trucks later we're still running that same F 450.Yes it was more up front and unloaded mileage is a little less(but better loaded) but in the long run it has been much cheaper and more profitable but I wasnt going to argue with him because I enjoyed picking up the slack when his rig was down ;) Also you need to think about resale value too,nobody wants a ragged out overworked truck.With all things being equal if you pick a truck with a little headroom to work with over something just barely capable of getting things done.You will find it much easier to sell and recoup more of your investment from the bigger truck.
He should have gone with an F550. They use a D130 rear axle. The F450 uses a D80. There is a significant strength difference between them. The F550 is intended for commercial use, so holds up better to towing that much weight all day long.
@The Fast Lane Truck - You guys should do more stories on small independent hotshot trucking. I love watching those! I recently just purchased my own Freightliner FL50 with a 36" sleeper and a 24' aluminum gooseneck trailer to do some side jobs hauling cars on weekends.
The death wobble is not just on ford, all other brand have them too, the correct way to fix it is you haft to get your front end tightened, your steering stabilizer is probably loose.
Neat that he upgraded to a Kenworth T680 and an 8-car trailer not long after this video, if you're driving the miles might as well be getting paid for 8 cars instead of 3, especially at the same loaded mpg.
Seems like the Super Duty is a pretty popular car hauler as he is not the only one I have seen using a 2011+ Super Duty as an independent car hauler.
Reason he's blowing up rear ends is due to the fact the pickup is exceeding the GVW mandated by Ford. The death wobble is due to worn shocks and cheap tires. At least he wised up in the end and recognized he needed a Class 8. 7.5 mpg wow I get that in a 02 FLD 120 Freightliner pulling 80,000 lbs. His gross weight is what I weigh empty.
Terrance Herwig if I want to buy my first used 18-wheeler. What makes do you recommend if I want to just spend 20K or maybe 30K at the most? Freightliner, Volvo, Peterbilt? And what's the safest kind of freight to transport from your experience?
@@giovanitorres9360 At that price point you're going to be stuck with a HIGH MILEAGE used "Cornbinder" (International) or "Freightshaker" (Freightliner). Buy a dry van for LTL bulk as a flatbed is more expensive and the heavier loads will kill your older truck.
Actually DW is a inherent issue with the style of suspension used in these trucks and Jeeps. It comes from loose components. His tires (rears were only visible) looked to be Michelin LTX, so not "cheap". The HD Fords are known to have alignment issues when loaded heavily, that's what is eating his tires. In the end, he needs a heavier truck.
@@mdnky Yep. The heavier 550 variant with an aftermarket suspension upgrade does pretty well up here in the NE US. I would also recommend the longer-framed (10ft or 12ft bed) version because of the heavier rear end. The GM 6500 would also be an option here.
Wouldn't be a problem if used air helper springs.
Looking forward to the next video.
The 2011 F-450 is using the F-350 set up. This is the reason you are having problems with the dif and front suspension. My Dad has an 08 F-450 with 19.5 wheel and Dana 110 with 4.88 gear. He has over 450K miles on the truck with no problems with the dif or front suspension. The truck has been perfect with the exception of the 6.4. It is still running the same trans and shifts perfect. Ford brought back the HD F-450 in the newer trucks. The 6.7 with the 19.5's and Dana 110 is the perfect setup for hauling. My Dad's normal load is around 26K to 28K Lbs...
The problem with the "death wobble" is the tires are under inflated. We had this problem with our 12,000lb F350 and inflating the tires to the recommended PSI always solved it.
Hands down the best way to put TT that much weight on a truck is starting with a 26k gvwr like my 99 International 3800 loading one or 2 cars on its flatbed. Then if CDL holder, mount a stinger steered 5th whl totaling your length at 75ft long truck& Trlr. This trailer can be a 35-45' long lowpro 25k gvwr and you'd have over 60ft deck space. I'm not CDL so my truck only pulls a 10k gvwr trailer holding 7000 lbs so 2 small cars or a truck. My 23ft truck deck 12' upper & 11' lower rear deck holds 2 dinky cars or cargo trlrs. Mine grosses $3/mile
12K pounds over max towing and 200K miles the problems are minor.
all these companies already a have a good estimate of what weekly expenses look like, they paid just enough to bait you into the job. Than everything goes down hill if a big repair, accident, claim, fines, and taxes hit.
The new F-450 will tow 31,200 pounds vs his 2011 that tows 24,500. The 2015 F-450 is basically a semi. Go look at their specs.
differential issues? lol. overload.
Apparently the fix for the deathwoble is to add an aftermarket steering stabilizer shock like you get when you lift these trucks. Poor engineering on Fords part IMO.
Had an old Cherokee with death wobble and same as you describe, bridge joints in a curve would cause chaos. I Replaced all ball joints expecting it was the issue. Finally I replaced the steering stabilizer and POOF it was gone.
There are people out there that actually make use of their trucks, and this video proves it. Car manufacturers pay close attention to these true torture tests on vehicles by their customers. I've wondered why sometimes manufacturers make smalls changes to vehicles each year, such as improved steering stabilizers or small cooling fins on a diff cover, but this video explains why.
has ford fixed those two things? what year?
I've been hauling a 4 car wedge with my 2012 ram 3500 for 2.5 years now. avg 30k-36k lbs pending on vehicles. with around 270k miles. and I've had one problem and that was the fuel pump. once. ram 3500 has a higher towing capacity than a f450. this is the first Chrysler product I've owned. 2012 was the last year trucks w/o DEF. honestly I would not buy any other brand for hotshot trucking. I'm a true believer now. my routes are from southeast to the northeast and back. no programming, stock everything. only a k&n cold air intake.
drive what you choose. but I would recommend cumins. .
think about it. are there any v8 diesel 18 wheelers anymore? In line 6 cylinders produce more torque.
take this advice or leave it. it's working for me
Larry I'm a driver for Sysco but trying to get in the game. can you give me some direction?
Hello larry im thinking about starting my own business using a 4 car wedge. Do you mind corresponding with me through email so i can ask you a few questions and pick your brain a bit. My email address is Oroberts8802@gmail.com
are you still out there working? i appreciate your knowledge. i wanted to get started hauling cars. i've read alot of comments & for some reason you seem like that you will lace me up with the game. if you don't mind can you respond through my email address? its ced_wilson74@yahoo.com
Hey Larry have a question for you in the 26000 pound rule does the truck pull capacity get added to the capacity to stay away from having to get a cdl? Just trying to see how much weight I can haul if I get a dodge 4500 which weight is 8700 pounds with a 5 car Kaufman?
Bro how do i get in this game
These guys will be delighted with the new tow ratings on the modern HD trucks
New tires isn't the only way to fix the death wobble. He needs to get dual steering stabilizers, helps a ton.
I had the same wobble on my Dodge 2500 an I put 2 horizontal stabilizer shocks in front of the front axle and got rid of the wobble. Hope it will work for you.
what year was your dodge 2500 and how much weight do you often tow?
Roman & TFL Truck guys, great video and very interesting. Glad to see a video 'review' of this truck by people who use it for work. Please more episodes like this! Love the whole look into the transporting world and all the info provided about the job as well. Keep 'em coming. I will keep checking back! :)
Im a Cummins man 100% but I always give due respect to Duramax's it has nothing to do with Chevy or GM but rather an appreciation I have for Isuzu the actual manufacturers of the engine.
In 2011 Ford went to a Dana 80 rear Axle and 17 inch wheel E Rated, in 2008 to 2010 they had a Dana 110 with 19.5s, they are going back to Dana 110 in 2015 make the Rear Diff much stronger for that much weight.
I think 250s use a sterling differential and 350s use dana diff. think dodge uses dana to but I may be worng
I drive a 2012 F350 6.7 Diesel, it has 830,000 KMS (515.000) miles. The truck a single rear axle, I added a leaf spring and air bags. I tow about the same weight, on a 42' 5th wheel trailer. I only had to change the diff once, its a 3.73. I think Mike is hard on the throttle when taking off loaded. Also, the tires, the best tires to run on these rigs are Michelin LTX, they last 70-80KM so about 45K Miles if properly rotated. Also i never head a death wobble on the truck and never hear of it on a ford !!!
I use Cummins, I pull loads daily with it only issue was overheating from a worn hose but since she still kicks ass
You guys should do a series like this will be great
Never understood that problem ford had with their front tires. Happened to my friends ford and it hasn't been a year since he bought it brand new. Then again its ford what do we expect.
Sounds like something in the front end like the track bar bushing, or track bar balljoint has play and is trigerring the death wobble, a proper wheel alignment should keep the tires from getting outside wear in and front and getting cupped.
Nice trailer you ever use the top?
I just buoyed and returned the f250 power stroke…it had that death wobble..smh…2019 that had 25k miles on it super clean but…had to act up in the dealer ship to get my tundra back
You still haul cars. I've been trying to get my car moved 325 miles. From Portland or. To boise idaho. For 2 weeks nothing but lies and shippers trying to pull a fast one. I would have never thought moving as car could be so aggravating.
I will never run anyother pick up than a Dodge with a Cummins. At 515k+ original motor and trans, no complaints here! If you look on the highways the Cummins are the king of the roads.
Get a trailer like that, and race some trucks up the Ike pass! Dont forget to get a Semi-Truck to set the benchmark and a Tank just to show off.
2013 F450: rear differential is 4.30, Maximum 5th wheel towing is 24.7k.
Since Mike's pickup is out of warranty, we can say that it was good for him, when Ford did honor the warranty on the differentials, because he was constantly exceeding the factory specs, by doing 36k lbs GCWR.
And as others have pointed out. An F550(4.80 rear differential) or higher, with single cab and 2wd would be a better candidate for doing these kind of towing daily.
GCWR on the F450 is 33,000lbs, so Michael may be about 10% over the limit. But 4WD is a must running over the Rocky Mountains.
The Fast Lane Truck Its really not. Look at semi trucks, they are considered 2wd. Now chains, they are a must.
+The Fast Lane Truck do you have any idea on how much he makes doing this? I've got a 450 and thought about starting up my own transport business.
+Blake Watson That # varies MUCH more so than an over the road trucker!
Yes.... You cant push it though to like 30k.. With Best Line you can do the crap this guy does in normal operation.
Thank you for explaining the death wobble. It just happen to me and didn't know wth was going on. I do appreciate your honesty.
Better off with a big rig pulling that trailer
Jack B until it's time for big rig repairs
ram 5500 and i use 4 car wedge ( 3 sometimes) . very comfortable driving
more videos like this, very interesting
Big truck with car hauler will get about the same milage give or take a mile a gallon (driving style, truck dependent)
What resale? Wouldn't he use it until all worn out?
It seems like he earn very little profit from all those extra charges
Im jealous of you americans, you get to pull and tow so heavy loads with your pickups and over here in sweden we have all kinds of regulations and weight rules and you need all kinds of drivers licence to do so.
Pretty Impressed! Hes hauling more then the specs says he can and has just shy of 200 thousand miles! He never really said anything about engine problems, When you`re hauling that weight frying the axle is understandable and lastly the death wobble is with every truck. Just my opinion but hauling that weight in a chevy would scare me because of all the alignments needed. My neighbor is the manager of a travel company and His 3 Gms are pretty good aside from a couple glowplugs, one of them has a dying trans and the other thing is all the alignments he needs done on them. Lastly I live here in BC and a lot of his tours go through the Rockies and Up Rogers Pass and The Coquahala Highway. Those are nasty roads. He tries not using the GMs for the fully loaded tours because they sometimes goes into limp mode up the passes and that can really hurt business. Just My opinion. Thanks!
How do you find an dependent auto transport company, theres a ton of middle men out there... Any ideas?
Anyone watching in 2017?
Ryan Urukalo nope...just 2018 lol
I'm watching in 2018
2019 is here
I'm watching this from the future..I'm in 2020
2021 here
wow good job but can you make it a manual transmission and more gears
Would have been nice to hear what kind of money is made?
JohnGovette about $3000 a week take home if your good
After all the expenses i.e. truck, maintenance, food, gas.
About 5.00 bucks per hour.
Spider Watson lol not at all. Im at 50$ an hour after all expenses. Wth u talking about
$2500-$3000 a week after expenses here
reversecowgirl69 tell me more
I did auto transport for a few months with a 6.0 powerjoke it was the worst driving it to California and back to Arizona. If I had the chance to do it again I'd do it independent and not through a company.
your front end issues would be stemming from worn front end parts and incorrect alignment... fords are not known for death wobble
Why you need cdl ? I wanna get into that
Ive learned 2 things from this video. 1. Do not buy a Ford. 2. There are too many regulations.
The chevy can't even tow this much so that's not an option..and after 200k miles of towing 35,000 pounds he gone through a couple diffs that ford paid for I don't see a problem the dodge engine wouldnt break but all The truck around it would fall apart
trevor philips You should do your research sir before you make wild claims about a Chevrolet not being able to tow that much. The light duty starts out at 11,000 pounds.
It's not wild accusations look at max tow rating for ford and then chevy ...chevy is far lower
Eric Boucher Ford has the highest tow ratings for the 2015 model year, chevy doesn't go up that high.
Wasn't aware that chevy decided not to produce any vehicles in 2015.. Sales must have been really bad
How much used dually truck n trailer cost? Insurance per yr?
Did you try Centramatic balancer?
Did you intall air bag on truck rear axle?
I like how he admitted to running illegal at about 9:40 😂😂
He's not illegal he's non-cdl.
He's cdl
If he ran 7am-7pm first day, with ten hours off, started at 5am drove to 5pm. Delivered in the afternoon. Not illegal with time to spare.
Sorry, but i just replayed that segment and there was no admission of illegality there. Right at the end there's a tacit admission that his current truck/trailer combo may not be up to the job so he's thinking of upgrading. His sunk cost will go up which will require him either to raise his rates or cut his margin.
was rather surprised about the axle failures till I looked up GCVR of that truck. 33K LBS and he is running 36K LBS so 3K over weight. Definitely stressing the power train running 1.5 tons over weight.
that's not the problem, ford is the problem. I run a 07 dodge 3500 pulling 4 car hauler and it has 311k thousand miles with little problems. Go to the auction, these trucks pull the loads every day with little issues. Most of us run dodges.
HondaCummins i run 2012 ram 5500 pulling 4 car hauler like u wht u think about pulling 5 car hauler 5500 can make it?
Just get a late 90's--early 2000's Ford E450 cab/chassis (7.3L diesel or the 6.8L V10) and install a DOT approved sleeper on it. Should get you a little better fuel economy, you wont have the same front end issues, and you gain that sleeper to spend the night in...
My old Freightliner could have hauled that truck, trailer, and all the cars and would have gotten much better fuel economy. I used to get around 5 to 6.5 mpg (depending on terrain) loaded close to 80,000-lbs gross. 7.5 mpg sucks for just hauling a few cars.
the 6.8L V10 is an absolute horrible motor. It will struggle to pull more 6,000 pounds!
If he's towing this much he definitely will not want a v10. I'm sure towing this much he'd have to measure in gallons per mile instead of miles per gallon 😂
The so called Death wabble is not just a Ford thing and changing the tires is not the fix. All solid front axle trucks and jeeps ext. can have the problem. A lot of people change the front steering stabilizer and that seams to be a good fix.
It's why I'm selling my last ford wrecker! Moving to Chevy c3500 about to purchase a UD wrecker so far so good leas worries less problems.
I wonder can you use SUV too?
Get a Cummins man you will have way less maintenance and no scary death wobble.
That's right listen to this guy
John
+Alex Matthews You're joking right? No death wobble in a Mopar truck? lol Thats hilarious.
mopar has the worst death wobble issues out of the big three the only good thing dodge has is the cummins that's it minus that there complete shit... Buy a duramax or stick to the powerstroke
So what do you drive lol?
Dodge is the best truck to hotshot with. If you want proof, stop by a transport lot at an auction and see what most haulers use. I've been hauling for 15yrs. My 2011 Dodge has 460k and no blow-by yet. My 2001 made it to 650k. But I only got 275k with my 2006. Fords usually die at around 250k. Not sure about Chevy. Which ever you get, I recommend an automatic.
He never really said what he makes. Any idea? You've been in the business so that's why I ask
how did the trans hold up? im on my second one in 131k
+Donny Krane maybe don't drive the shit out of it. I've owned 4 and never had a problem
Interesting. If you Google for "ford death wobble" there's a bunch of aftermarket upgrades that you can install to fix it... but you'd think this would be a RECALL given that it's obviously a problem in the vehicle's design.
Thank you how about some more video's on Goose neck haulers pulling general freight, cars etc?
Man...only Ford owners would think that 4 differentials and a death wobble makes it the best truck for the job. I don't care how dyed in the wool Ram I am...if I blew up 3 differentials and had to stop every time I hit an expansion joint, I'd be jumping ship.
I got a F-250, but would of got a Ram Cummins for what that guys doing, no DEF to think about about and, Cummins are better at running high RPM's for long periods of time. Their built a bit better, last longer under tough conditions, and are more fixable.
Josh McCarthy Rams have their own front end problems (including death wobble), notorious for their ball joints, the weakest automatic transmission in that segment (68RFE) and the lack of DEF caused those engines to burn a lot more fuel. Though I think the 2014 Ram 3500 with the new chassis, AISIN tranny, and stronger diff, and inclusion of DEF would have fixed all that. But then Chrysler seems to be still doing a lot of recalls on their products. You probably think I hate Rams after reading this, but no I really like them, I would buy the 2014 Ram 2500 when the time is right. But I am just pointing out, as many others have, they all have their problems.
MrChevypower I have a ram with 311k miles with no death wobble issues. Death wobble is usually an issue with 4wds. These guys are stupid for buying a 4wd to tow on hwy. More parts, more maintenance, more problems, and more money. The 68RFE is a great transmission and I know many car haulers that r still running their original tranny with over 300k. And ford and gm started running def just a few years before dodge so their 07-10's have the same exhaust problems. Everyone talkin shit on dodge autos is ignorant, that was 20 years ago. Today they are as bullet proof as the G56
Josh McCarthy Whats a def? you mean a dpf or are they different?
Yeah it seems like those two things could have been fixed with some aftermarket parts the first time idk why he didn't but its kinda impressive he didn't have any other problems tho with engine trans etc
do you have to have cdl to tow multiple cars on that two storey hauler
this guy spends all that money going to ford for fixing those problems. he needs to find a diesel shop that know what their doing and install caster adjuster, and bulletproof rear differential.
Or just buy a Duramax.
Shawman buy a bunch of problems
5:12 7.5 mpg is really bad. That's what loaded 18-wheelers get.
lfsracer79 No, my father was a trucker for 30 years. The best he got when hauling a triple axle, single 53' trailer was 4.5mpg.
Brandon Friesen these are the new days my friend. I run about 11-12 mpg load down with 5 cars on a '14 cummins longhorn
Christopher Yohn That's awesome! My uncles 2010 ram 3500 6.7 couldn't do better than 12mpg. I drove a 2013 ram 2500 for a short trip and got over 23mpg! The new ones are fantastic towing rigs, and get better fuel economy than most SUV's. Too bad they're over $80,000 for a new one.
+Brandon Friesen well brandon I just got one brand new for $57142 (Big horn) with the highest combination (I6.7, aison and 4.10 ratio) thats the best combination for hauling right now
Kmilo Hernandez how do you like your Ram? Still like it? What is your mileage at now?
The 6.7 Powerstroke is an excellent engine.
He doesn't take care of his truck or he wouldn't have the DW. That is caused by loose front end parts, not old tires.
Does anybody had put a bed inside a heavy duty truck moving the passenger seat and the Bach seat to sleep in the truck ????
if I bought a king ranch. I would tell the dot to f off, i'm sleeping in my truck
You don't screw with the DOT.
threefortyduster LOL, deff. right about that.
threefortyduster your right you screw with them OHHHH you better be ready for a shit down
Actually, DOT allows you to sleep in your truck if your fall under their requirements. There are sleepers available for one tons, OR if you dont want to buy a sleeper (roughly $10,000) you can purchase what is called a "crew cab sleeper"... the CCS meets all DOT requirements in the back seat of a pickup truck.
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what brand is that trailer looks good quality
Do you have to have a certain cdl endorsement to do this?
I thought all these super dutys had steering stabilizers. That eliminates the death wobble
Cheaper by the thousand jeeps too
I live on Long Island NY and I have a Class A , im bored with my current job which gets me home everyday ..Looking for a change ,how did you get the wheels in motion with this car carrying business. Looking for some input ...
Can TFL truck find a similar story with a GMC/Chevrolet Truck?
First DOT doesn't care if you sleep in your truck if you are at a rest stop or truck stop. I live in the Phoenix area and most of the vehicle haulers around here are Chevys that I have seen. I don't know if the Chevys are doing local only or long haul. I don't care what you have 4 rear ends in under 200,000 miles sucks. If it was me I would be changing something the vehicle or a complete aftermarket rear end. And I hope he realizes the money he will put into a big rig it will help him in a lot of places like more miles he can put on it but repairs are expensive on a big rig.
You do not know FMCSA laws very well do you? It is ILLEGAL to sleep in your truck if it is less than 75 inches wide interior dimensions. That is why they make sleep kits for duallys. And DOT does enforces it.
Wait so how do ford's get death wobble? And does it happen to all of them even brand new like the 2017 ones
What do you think of Ram trucks???
Wow this is amazing. Excellent Video.
Hi . Can you help me... I have a Ford Truck 3500 dually and trailer 5 cars . Do I need CDL or only Business insurance ? Thanks
I’m trying to start my own car hauling business. How much do you charge per car? And do you need a Dot or MC for 3 to 4 car hauling trailer? Just need to be sure of all the things I need as a beginner.
I respect the set up. I had a single enclosed trailer with a f-350. I miss my business. Salute to you guys still grinding.
you guys should do more videos of guy hauling with there trucks like this
Am I to assume a CDL isn't needed?
my dad does the same thing and its a nerve wracking job im so sad he has to do this to provide
I have tried all day to find an independent car transporter. Nothing but 3rd party, I google reviews...and the whole quote low, get a deposit, then change quote, hold car hostage, no refund the deposit...So many have F reports on BBB. Any suggestions? Want to transport a good running 1995 Ford Mustang, from 89015 to 78735. From a residence, with a very wide street to pick up car with.
Great video! Im starting my car transporter career with a independent contractor this week he will train me. Any advice?
Keep in mind this vid is 6 yrs old, but this 5car trlr made from aluminum would tits wouldn't it?
hell yaaa day in the life !! i love what i do. Eric - Team Auto Carriers. WHITTIER,CA.
How much used dually truck n trailer cost? Insurance per yr?
there is a fix for the "death wobble" i had an 05 f650i drove for work and got the death wobble i took the truck to JOSAM and they fixed the front end and never experienced the wobble again
+Ray Vandegrift Very vague. Why would you not have simply stated WHAT the problem was, and what they did to remedy the issue?
Because I dropped off the truck and told them to fix it and because it was a company truck I was not privy to that info just that it was fixed, I was even accused of warping ALL of the rims but found that was untrue
And ALL I know is that it only happens to Ford's with the straight axle front ends so they may have eliminated the problem with the twin I beam front ends, so sorry for being so vague before, hope this helps?
How much do I will make a month if I start business like this
I would like too see more on this topic looking to starting my own business doing the same need as much info as possible
Did u start that business I’m tryna start right now?
The you need CDL to drive the truck please if you know let me know thanks
I really don't like that Ford switched over to coil sprung front axles... I could give a shit about the turning radius with leafs, at least death wobble is a hell of a lot less common. They should've taken a hint when Dodge went to coils in 94 that death wobble was going to be a problem. That's why GM trucks having their SLA IFS doesn't bother me as much as it does most people... It works well for what it was designed for. Solid axle is definitely more heavy duty, but I'll pass on having death wobble. Solid axle needs to be done right, with leafs... Coils with LCAs and a track bar supporting the axle just doesn't cut it, especially with trucks these days grossing as much as they can. With that being said, the Fords track bar/bushing is a lot better quality than what is found on the Rams so death wobble is not as big of a problem as it is on the Ram trucks.