We chat with Qualcomm about the new Snapdragon X Elite and Windows on ARM
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2024
- We sit down with Kedar Kondap from Qualcomm to talk about the latest Snapdragon X Elite processor.
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This silicon chip development by snapdragon is very necessary to head out the apple's dominancy. Because apple always charges overprise for it's mac pcs .
This is a great step towards consumer friendliness.
This chip will also be expensive.
But it is a boon for premium segment of windows and android tablets.and it is helpful to retain windows premium segment buyers in windows ecosystem.
@@rohithmekala2608 yea. probablky have to wait some years before its reasonable to buy.
@@rohithmekala2608 Obwohl es wird eigentlich ganz toll sein, Ich glaube dass weil es viele OEMS gibt wie Dell, Acer, etc., die alles wollen ein Laptop mit dieses chip benutzen, der Preis nicht so toll wie Apple gehen sollen.
I'm a windows user but Macbooks were fairly priced when compared to their windows competitors in terms performance to watt ratio.
Good from Qualcomm!
Thank you Apple for causing this seismic shift in the industry 😀
@@--waffle- don’t act like ARM hasn’t been around for a while lol.
@@ChristianRoland7Arm is fastest evolving architecture. It was not fast enough and efficient enough for laptops some years ago. Windows tried for arm before apple but it was just not good enough.
@@naumankhan422 Apple literally designed the chips themselves lol, they didn’t leave it up to a third party to design. ARM is essentially a philosophy and implementation of RISC instruction set architecture. Feel like most of y’all don’t really know how this stuff works.
@@ChristianRoland7 Seems they just ported overclocked iPhone chips to laptop. Explain further what special things they "invented" in M line chips not in A line chips.
The only advantage Apple had was the control over their ecosystem and customers. They made a emulator for x86 apps on ARM laptops and forced developers to shift all apps to arm plus the casual audience didn't mind reduced performance on emulated apps cause they were getting double the battery and native apple apps worked much better. Windows couldn't do that that's why they Arm windows failed cause they couldn't ditch intel like apple did . Control is the only thing apple has thats why M series was successful. There was no invention it was the latest and greatest Arm chip thats it.
I want to see how this compares to the M3 series and AMD’s 8000 series.
Even if it doesn't beat them, as first generation device, the claims are impressive. Any way AMD 8000 is no match for Snapdragon X Elite because that cannot match this level of efficiency.
X elite 2 will be more powerful than M3?
It is high time we see great performance in windows.
Competition is real.
Kind of a moot point, although comparison will be made, eventually. Look at it this way: X Elite/Oryon is 50% faster than Apple M2 and 30% more efficient. So, the logical question is will Apple's M3 be (at least) 50% faster and 30% more efficient compared to M2? While such a jump is possible, especially if they're switching to a more A17 design, typically speaking you don't get such massive jumps between generations. 10 to 20% jumps in performance are more typical. Even if they do hit 50%/30%, you're talking about parity, not dominance. We'll have to wait and see. As far as AMD, they have a lot more ground to cover. My expectations is it'll still be behind Intel Meteor Lake. -dr
@@PoliticalMatter
Windows has always had great performance. This is why it has 80% mareket share to 8% for Apple.
It is also why 99.9% of small business, corporations, government agencies, educational institutions, and nonprofits
across the planet use Windows. You are very welcome for the free education.
Which processor is going to be behind Meteor Lake?
As a software developer, I'm eager to run Linux on a Snapdragon X Elite processor. Asahi Linux is a great idea but hopefully this will give complete driver coverage for the Linux kernel without guess work.
I hope that too, I want to run my favorite distro on it
Sadly Linux was ignored by Qualcomm for Snapdragon, I bought an sd powered laptop and was shocked that no distribution was supported. Not one! I tried everything.
@@motherofallemails Windows Subsystem for Linux works fine, mostly, but low-level driver support for Linux on Qualcomm is lacking. The device enumeration process is also a little weird.
@@motherofallemails That's crazy: why would they just ignore this segment of their customers? I'm also a developer, and I would love having a good ARM laptop (I'm on Asahi right now)
@@ZAWARUD00 exactly! But it's even worse than that, the previous commenter wrote that the device enumeration process is strange, so it's very hacky to hack device drivers for these machines, yet it shouldn't be!, this almost seems deliberate, they are trying to force us all onto Windows or maybe chrome os. No thanks.
No question about the state of software support? i.e. Windows on ARM emulation performance, etc? That's the main question everyone has!!
Not really controlled by Qualcomm though so he won't be able to say much on it.
whether he decides to respond or not, it's a good question. It's for sure a big topic of conversation internally between them and Microsoft. It's a question about their partnership as well. Lost opportunity imho @@richardmargerison1744
Use Linux on ARM, what I have heard that Snapdragon used ARM Linux to test and benchmark the CPU.
@@richardmargerison1744 Yes, ARM windows laptop did not have powerful enough hardware to emulate.
Windows 11 on ARM runs very well on Apple Silicon (even though its a virtual machine). So Windows isn't the problem. Hardware is
Who is interviewing who
Daniel Rubino
You spoke more than the interviewee.. Just ask concise questions and let him speak
This is GOOD… A step closer to native BootCamp on Apple M-Series!!!
The interviewer talks more than the interviewee 😅 now thats new
We need this to run on a Surface Laptop not Surface Pro.
Battery is the key here
That is address with efficiency.
Amazing technological leap. ❤
This was great.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
So , finally the hardware is capable rest is upto Microsoft
No, MS did their part long ago. It's up to retailers to stock these Windows on ARM laptops, and software devs to recompile for ARM.
They forgot to mention that most softwares arent compiled for arm in windows
That's why you have emulation. Apple did the same, switching to the M* series, emulating x86, and software developers switched. The laggards will be game companies, who need maximum performance without rewriting, or writing/optimizing for two architectures. Hopefully frameworks will abstract this out well enough.
Very happy for this. However why is it described as never seen before when it was with the M1 chip and this won't be 50% faster than the M2 or M3? Either way I am happy as this in a Surface Pro would give me exactly what I want so thank you! Nice video post also.
I've been thinking about this. With the limited time we have during our week, how do the people they say made all the design breakthroughs have time to do all this work? Just getting together to take pictures burns a morning, raising money, etc. Since all the major vendors seem to be neck-in-neck, isn't this really the libraries becoming available that work on the nodes as they become available. Vendors supply almost everything to use their parts, just plop it in your design. So are they really doing ground breaking work or just assembling the lego's. If you are lucky enough to start your career in MPU design, if you work hard and watch the state of the art with a company with money to throw at it, you could be a hamster and be successful. I'm not saying it's easy or that they are lazy I'm just saying being in the right place at the right time plays a big part. I sure wish I could have been in some of these industries, must be a rush to be part of a MPU design and see it released into the market place.
I can’t wait for buying an arm powered pc for longer battery life
What about the "quarrels" between arm and Qualcomm with arm requested all products from nuvia being destroyed?
How would they compare with graphics cards for generative AI?
It's not been made very clear at all.
Two men same a face. Like father and son. ☺. We want XR3 gen 1 for VR can decode 16K videos, please .
"Snack Dragon" lol 😄
Sd x elite. Can we run starfield on it? Any unreal engine 5 games?
Now if software ports and compactability layer support for older software are to improve, then people might buy arm64 laptop
Dan: What comes after A
Guy from Nvidia: of course 1 + 2 = 3
So true 😂 , i think this guy has a pretext of answers prepared for any interview
Disagree with your point about AMD laptops, I've seen significantly better battery life on almost equivalent AMD and Intel Systems.
I can't wait. Obviously it can but. I just hope Microsoft is going to optimize well. And I hope resolve runs great to.
That's not an issue I think. It's the compiler makers.
Well iam not fan of mobile gaming but I buy it for performance
will we be able to install linux on it?
So does this mean android apps will actually run natively on windows. And i mean actual work work not like now where its a hit and miss for alot of apps with the amazon app store etc.. on wondows. There is a lot of people who own windows 2 in 1 laptops etc.. with touch screen or convertibles and not that many apps on the Microsoft store. I mean lets be real most people would be happy if you could download for example google play store on windows natively and have all the apps work equally just as good as a samsung tablet.
Microsoft and snapdragon done their parts now its time for software company before this the situation was like chicken and egg (big software company refuse to make windows arm based software because there is less arm chip user and chip company and microsoft failed arm journey because there is less third part software support)
I think as retailers start pushing ARM based laptops for their long battery and low heat (and the 'cool' factor for nerds), software devs will get on it. Lots of big name software already has a Windows on ARM version, like Adobe's suite of products. It *feels* like the momentum is finally here.
Finally, we are getting arm on Windows. (A good one)!!!!
I wish you would have let the interviewee talk more, the host seemed to monologue too much.
Next week apple reclaims it's crown .
AMD Radeon 8000 zen 5 beat All intel vs apple vs Qualcomm because AMD arm chip incredible too is coming soon
i actually don't want computers to become laptops altought probably this will bring a competitor to windows as OS
Please Qualcomm a very low power Snapdragon X Elite version (less than 3W to 5W) would be awesome to create a disruptive 5G always-connected Windows MacBook Air with at least 1.5x to 2x battery life compare to Apple MacBook Air : it would be disruptive to create a fanless 14-inch / 14.5-inch Microsoft Surface laptop with 2x battery life compared to Apple MacBook Air !!!
I think there's little doubt that they're going to scale down. After all, it's 12 cores, 3 clusters. Going to 8 cores, 2 clusters seems like a logical step down to be more budget friendly.
@@WindowsCentral I really hope that Qualcomm will be aiming to significantly scale down power consumption (3W to 5W), instead of going for being a benchmark powerhouse.
I much prefer to see a fanless Microsoft laptop, with Apple M1 performance which have significantly increased battery life (at least 1.5x to 2x Apple MacBook Air battery life) and that stay cool even under heavy load : it would make be a disruptive product on the Windows market !!!
However my guess is Qualcomm will first want to address the premium high performance laptop first with their Snapdragon X Elite series, so we may have to way a bit longer with a lower power Snapdragon X (not Elite) series for this to happen…
It would also be cool to see Microsoft do a lightweight, thin (7.5mm thick), fanless all-in-one touchscreen display like 32-inch Apple Pro XDR Display with same magnetic attachment, but that is able to transport power and IO data to have the ports in an external dock : it would open new ways to use such innovative desktop computer
Not happening
@@rechiecanonigo3800 Qualcomm will likely at some later stage have a lower power option of their Snapdragon X series. The question is how much lower power ? Personally I would really be keen on a 1 to 2W max option, even if it should mean Apple M1 performance or a bit lower, until it provides unprecedented battery life (at least 2x Apple MacBook Air), even under heavy load, and staying cool at all times: this would be disruptive and bring such convenience !!! Sure reasonable enough performance is needed (Apple M1) but IMO top benchmark performance is overrated : latency is much more important, at extremely low power.
@@nicolasdujarriernot for gaming. A lot of games need high performance to work properly at all
Bruv, love the channel but found this interview strange, in the sense that questions were asked and then you proceed to answer most of the question for the guest.
he is answering his own question. Next time ask the question and ket the person you invited answer the questions not you
Linux support please!
I heard only promises but not a real product. I buy the power benefits but the others I need to see the benchmark first. right now is only advertising.
useless until they can come out with a proper translation layer for ARM gaming.
Qualcomm was doing arm for along time and snap dragon.
Dont gibe apple to much credit give qualvomm credit for pushing apple to desktop arm.
Snapdragon X Elite beat Apple M2 Max ❤❤
Say it louder for all the sceptics to understand.
It beats m2 max in single core but maybe not in multi core
@@zouf-02 multi core also
@@inamulbhuyan Qualcomm would have claimed it beats m2 max in multi core but they didn't
Based on recent history, I don't expect real Linux support on this hardware. I hope I am wrong, because I would love to have an arm thinkpad to throw Linux on. The software ecosystem on Linux already has widespread support for ARM, it's just a matter of Qualcomm doing the right thing.
There has been support for 8cx Gen 3 since kernel 5.20, already. Debian and Ubuntu run pretty well. Even if Qualcomm doesn't support Elite from day one (or at all), they, for sure, are going to support the Android kernel or other mobile devices with the same architecture. It will be fairly simple to create community drivers, then. Look how far Asahi has come, even Linus uses it for development now, it has GPU acceleration, it runs (some) games, etc. Despite Apple's completely locked down hardware.
I'm pretty optimistic about Linux support on this. I would argue, that Linux is even more ready for ARM than Windows.
@@GalaxyTracker We don't want community stuff, we want a support from Qualcomm. I'm tired of having half-baked support: I'd rather buy an AMD laptop with a support by a company that an Qualcomm one where the company isn't responsible for anything.
@@ZAWARUD00 who are "we"?
Talk about yourself. I don't remember ever asking your opinion. You have the Linux kernel right now, because of "community stuff". I was talking with someone else who specifically mentioned Linux support.
If you want to be dependent on a company, it is your problem, go buy MS. Don't come on other people's comments and comment on something that you were not asked about, just because you wanted to say something. It's pathetic and a waste of my time.
@@GalaxyTracker First, I give my opinion, whether you ask for it or not. Second, I'm not spitting on the community, quite the opposite. I just like having a guarantee when I buy something, so I don't like companies not providing a support for the hardware. Third, if you don't want to waste your time, don't lay such a wall of text, you can just ignore my message, right?
The problem with Windows on ARM is Microsoft and devs but I can’t blame them. There’s no real benefit of wasting resources converting and optimizing Windows and apps to ARM. Beating M1 or M2 on benchmark doesn’t translate to best selling arm laptops. X Elite might be powerful than M2 but Windows and snub devs is going to draaaaaaggg it down.
Just move to Linux.
Until you count benefit of running Microsoft ecosystem on chip like gpt or copilot
Microsoft needed to release full-featured first-party apps and apis for Windows on ARM first, before third-party gonna follow suit. Their ARM version of Windows API is not as throughout as their x86 ones, some of them are even outright forbidding, which is why you have not seen a working Steam client for ARM yet, once Steam is onboard, you'll see a flock of users / gamers all are more happily join the ARM bandwagon. As of today, there is little to no benefit of using Windows on ARM, at least the Apple crowd got to enjoy massive performance boost for video editing workflow when moving to ARM, on Windows? None!
@@Duckstalker1340 Enterprise apps are mostly available for Windows on ARM already. Office and Microsoft's own programs, for example. Steam on ARM might be a long shot because most games have x64 optimizations.
You talk more than the guest
Snapdragon X Elite beat Apple M2 Max and Intel i9 14th gen❤❤❤
What an amazing time to be a Geek and Nerd.
lol@@EnochGitongaKimathi
good job holding back the advancement of windows on arm
Explain. -DR
If the chip delivers as promised, it'd be a real shame if Microsoft underutilizes it with their software. And they better do an incredible job with the very first generation of ARM Windows 12 devices, like Apple did with M1 Macbooks. The sheer efficiency and practicality of an M1/M2 Macbook remains unchallenged. I wish for the next gen Surfaces to have no difference in performance in both plugged and unplugged state and Mac-level battery lives. And hopefully other OEMs follow suit and make well-priced laptops. That'd be the dream. I'm waiting to get rid of my Macbook. Microsoft don't screw this up please.
Interesting discussion. Subscribed!
Microsoft's software? Windows on ARM has been a thing for a decade, and Office, of course already run on it. Their development products are close to supporting it fully, even Visual Studio, but not quite there.
Never buy the first generation. Wait for 2025 model. It will be made using 3nm node.
Too bad that crappy edge and Bing AI will be gone anytime soon. Everyone won’t miss them at all.
This will fail anytime soon. Everyone is going to move to Linux. The end of Microsoft, and the beginning of Linux era.
which distro u recommend for nubs
@@youyoue4260 Linux and google chrome.
@@youyoue4260Linux mint...it's similar to windows in UI.
They should succeed cause competition is good. If Linux share is increasing I'm sure the market will respond appropriately
@@HR-eb4vs You are right, it is similar to a stale windows UI of years ago
Linux and google chrome are the superiors. Crappy edge and Bing AI are dead.
Crappy edge and Bing AI are bunch of failures. They will continue to decrease their market shares. No wonder Bing AI and crappy edge will become obsolete in the next decade. They won’t stand a chance against google chrome superiority.
does it support linux?
i actually don't want computers to become laptops altought probably this will bring a competitor to windows as OS