In June I started to seriously look for options to replace my Diesel with a new car. Looking also into BEVs. So I started to watch some TH-cam videos ending up on Bjorns channel. In September I ordered an ID.3 - the car fits my purpose and is Bjorn approved 😀. On top I know many fantastic places in Norway. And if I chose to go there for vacation, I will easily find the chargers. Keep up the good work Bjorn.👍
So good to know. Thanks for purchasing a EV instead of fossil fuel car and trying to improve the climate for all of us. And you do save money in longer TCO.
You should contact his employer and offer yourself as the EV journalist for their publication and send them a link to your video of the same trip. With a fossil reporter trying to do EV reporting, its the "blind leading the the blind"
I have seen you in your video helping other people more than once, pretty nice gesture of yours. And here while crushing the bad reporting, you can also take time to do that and win, hands down. I think you are the ProjectFarm of EV testing, straight to the point, honest, clear, transparent and nice explaining.
Bjorn let me say congratulations for the videos, I love, you make the best videos of road trip, not like anothers who just shows them self, that is a vlog of them, not road trip video. You are amazing bro!
Great comparison video. I am also so tired of many people saying it takes 1 hour to fill 100%. But they should only fill till 80%. Also for regular use it takes 5secs to fill fully at home. Because it takes 10 secs to plug it in evening. I have done a few road trips in my model 3 and most of times the car was ready before we were when taking break. While we searched on mobile phone for restaurants, car was charged to 70-80 mins.
The motorjournalism for me has totally changed cuz of Bjørn✌🏻 Looking for new car, skips articles and head straight for Bjørn✌🏻 honest reviews, and seriously wants petrolheads to become EV heads😀😀😀. I mean......the guy actually makes charging EV’s entertaining 😂😂 My wishlist for now: Tesla M3 LR and MG ZS EV 😅
Really like the looks of southern Norway. I think out of your videos (i've watch most of them) that area of Norway is very pleasing to the eyes (mountains/coast) and the weather looks mild (close to the ocean). Great content.
Cost wise the other point is that most people are not on a trip most of the time. The car is a commuter, a hauler, mostly used locally. Then the electricity used in domestic, just like your lighting and appliances which is far cheaper. In Israel the domestic KWH cost 50 cent NIS which is about 1.5 kroner. Half or a third of the same KwH on the road. assuming a thousand KM trip leaving the house full battery with 45 Kwh usable thats 300 km for 37 Kroner. So it calculates to far cheaper than gasoline or diesel . To say nothing of the pollution.
@@bjornnyland It’s still a nice gesture, and one I have never seen anyone make at a petrol station. And depending on what the electricity cost is, €2.5 can get you quite a few miles or kilometres of extra range :)
Yep brilliant as ever. Charging networks are improving all the time all over Europe especially as the old Fossil companies are also getting involved as they know Electric is the future now with sustainable power :)
„I’m still not finish eating, but we‘re good to go“ (14:55) 😋 It’s a problem nowadays! Fast loading is too fast! We want more public slow charger! Everywhere! 🙏
So the e-2008, e-208 handshake problem is solved by keeping firmly the charging cable shaft against cars charging port for a while? Did I understand it correctly?
how much do you think it costs to drive a KONA / NIRO the same trip? have a small wish you could tell how much it costs to drive when you drive 1000 km challenge. thank you for the amazing videos you are making have been following you for about 3 years now
probably at least in EU, we can say, it is already in most EU countries already cheaper (margin may vary) against diesel or petrol cars, many many times cheaper than regular (not only selfcharging) hybrids and PHEV's too... and you do not need to be in Norway, charging infrastructure is spreading too. It may not be as vast as in Norway but already usable in like 90% of cases.
These peugeot s are with pretty low fuel consumption in real life. I have 1.6 hdi 5008 2015 year model. I average about 4.6 l/100 km if I drive carefully. 5.5 l/100km if I drive like a maniac.
@@Meeliskt77 Is this based on your computer indication or on real datas ? My 2012 Nissan qashqai’s computer claims an average consumption of 6,3 L/100km, while my calculation gives a real consumption of 7,0 L/100km, with an average speed of 60 km/h. Nissan never found why the indication is that bad, but in fact many calculators are unprecised...
@@bjornnyland Did not know the total cost over 1000KM plus the timing for the distance.Even though the Peugeot does not have the longest range still perform-quiet impressive .Cant wait you to test the WV ID4/Skoda enyaq!
Love your content Bjorn. Could you move your map in the Peugeot (or your McHammer) on Poland and show if the navigation system sees any chargers here in my country? I am really curious to see this.
What values do you use for the numbers on the thumbnail? how much does the electricity cost and how much consumption/cost are we assuming for the Diesel?
I didn't mention it in the video, but with NAF Xtra Mastercard, I can get additional 15 % discount on fast charging. And on that trip, I didn't enable 10 % discount on Circle K. So this trip was far from optimal as an EV even. And in the video I also talked about toll roads which nakfan100 didn't mention here. That's why I recommend you to watch the video to fully understand.
The outcome of this challenge is what everybody here already knew: Challenge won! Big Time! If Frank Willeksen was a real journalist he should have done some research on EV-driving before making the trip. He then wouldn't have made the mistakes he did and certainly would not write the article the way he did. It was just (very) poor (and bad) journalism. Anyway, you corrected him Björn. Congratulations and keep up the good work.
The calculations are a little stretched in favour of EV. Pretty much any newer Diesel car in this class consumes around 4-5l / 100km and the price of diesel in Norway is around 1.2 / 1.3 Eur/l. So it's about the same in terms of cost for a 1100km trip with only one fill-up. Anyway, great video! Would love to see a review of the Mazda MX-30 :D
@@bjornnyland I have a 10 year old 1.5 Diesel car (I want to switch to electric), but in summer I did 2500km with AC on and only on highway at 120km/h and in cities and still got under 5l/100km.
Then try to drive that diesel on the same route I took. Remember that highest point of the journey was over 1000 meter over sea level. And I had two mountain crossings plus wet roads. Comparing it with flat highway in summer is irrelevant. The main disadvantage with fossil car (not PHEV) is that once you go up a mountain, you have to brake on the way down. The extra energy you wasted going uphill can't be regenerated.
Gen 2 prius - 57 euros (~68euros if you're taking the unoX prices from the video). Also 1km for me in Lithuania costs ~4.5 euro cents, could be even cheaper if i had an lpg conversion. Does that mean EVs are a bust on pricing?
Diesel is still cheap in India as on today, it is just Rs.75/ltr i.e. kr 9.12/ltr For 1100 kms run considering average of 16.66 km/ltr i.e. 6 ltr/100km Indians would spend Rs.4951.5/- i.e. kr 575.68/- For 154kWh we would spend just Rs. 3080/- i.e. kr 358.09/- (Charging cost is Rs. 20/kWh higher side considered i.e. kr 2.33/kWh) So the difference in India between EV & Diesel for 1100 kms would come up to Rs. 1871.5/- i.e. kr 217.59/- Finally, Diesel comes to Rs. 4.5/km i.e. kr 0.52/km Electric comes to Rs. 2.8/km i.e. kr 0.32/km And like you Sir i haven't mentioned oil change & timing belt..haha Love your videos. Best Luck Wishes Always!
Mr.Bjørn great video with data. One suggestion . We want to see you stay healthy and keep promoting the benefits of EV . That regular consumption of soft carbonated drinks and red meat may not be good for your health and also environment. And since you are producing videos and eating on road so many times this can take toll on your health.
@@bjornnyland sorry my bad. I made an error that too in your name. Some how the Norwegian pronunciation of "j" threw me off. I do not know the European languages .
@@ronnie5966 true . But of course each one has their taste and choice. Also I read somewhere that the carbonic acid in these drinks is bad for teeth and bones if ingested regularly. And that article talked about the flavouring used could be harmful. Red meat or any mean on general in long run can cause accumulation of antibiotics and growth hormones in our body. I am not sure about the quantity and frequency , but the gist of article was we should reduce consumption of these items. Meat is of course less eco friendly as well. Specially since Mr. bjørn does so many videos , it may be helpful to reduce consumption of these items.
That’s why the government here in Australia has introduced road user tax for EVs! They want to tax us for going green! Which actually could be illegal, hybrids will get taxed too? Home mowers and brush cutters too? Right now as an ev owner, and not a rich ev owner just a humble leaf owner, I see this as the biggest backward step of any nation on the earth, this to me says our politicians are in bed with big oil! I registration taxes and tolls ! without any incentive, I pay wage taxes ! If you want introduction of road user tax do it for all vehicles and heavy on large vehicles like giant 6litre V8s.
so fifteen bucks for each portion of to go fast food. or 50 kwh of electricity by the prices quoted, or 300 km or electric range for the price of a mouthful of food. Amazing
In Germany it would have been 112,18€ electricity at Ionity (0,79€/kWh) and 65€ for Diesel (1,05€/l) at any fuel station. Plus don‘t forget your charging time which is also the time of your life, which you are losing. You can‘t put Norway all over Europe in terms of fuel prices, whether it’s electricity or diesel 😉
@@John_S_NL Try to buy a good second hand ev under 200 000 sek ! A lot of good diesels under 100 000 sek used. Electric cars are VERY expensive to buy .
I like the look of wind turbines. As long as they are all white. Some of the german wind turbines with the red stripes and the red lights are really ugly. Look industrial and ruins the landscape.
In June I started to seriously look for options to replace my Diesel with a new car. Looking also into BEVs. So I started to watch some TH-cam videos ending up on Bjorns channel. In September I ordered an ID.3 - the car fits my purpose and is Bjorn approved 😀. On top I know many fantastic places in Norway. And if I chose to go there for vacation, I will easily find the chargers. Keep up the good work Bjorn.👍
Id3 is a great choice.
So good to know. Thanks for purchasing a EV instead of fossil fuel car and trying to improve the climate for all of us.
And you do save money in longer TCO.
I did the same choice. The ID3 is amazing!
You should contact his employer and offer yourself as the EV journalist for their publication and send them a link to your video of the same trip. With a fossil reporter trying to do EV reporting, its the "blind leading the the blind"
hahahaha he should, but even if he did, they won't take him as the bias is editorial towards status quo and fossil fuel companies.
its not blind leading the blind, but on purpose trying to nag EVs leading the blind. :)
A.B.C. Always Be Correcting biased journalism.
That journalist prefers A.B.C Always Be Changing timing belts
I have seen you in your video helping other people more than once, pretty nice gesture of yours. And here while crushing the bad reporting, you can also take time to do that and win, hands down. I think you are the ProjectFarm of EV testing, straight to the point, honest, clear, transparent and nice explaining.
Nice of you to help the old lady charging. Thumps up 👍
You are the real reporter ✅
Bjorn let me say congratulations for the videos, I love, you make the best videos of road trip, not like anothers who just shows them self, that is a vlog of them, not road trip video.
You are amazing bro!
Great comparison video. I am also so tired of many people saying it takes 1 hour to fill 100%.
But they should only fill till 80%.
Also for regular use it takes 5secs to fill fully at home. Because it takes 10 secs to plug it in evening.
I have done a few road trips in my model 3 and most of times the car was ready before we were when taking break.
While we searched on mobile phone for restaurants, car was charged to 70-80 mins.
Supper hero Bjorn! Helps the lady with the charge, for the win.
There should always be time to help people 😉 like Bjørn did 👍
You forgot the difference in the price of the ferry Arsvågen - Mortavika; Diesel: 220 NOK, EV: 90 NOK.
The reporter didn't take that route so I didn't feel like mentioning it.
"And we haven´t even mentioned oil change and timing belt..." Thats soo funny! Love it!
The motorjournalism for me has totally changed cuz of Bjørn✌🏻 Looking for new car, skips articles and head straight for Bjørn✌🏻 honest reviews, and seriously wants petrolheads to become EV heads😀😀😀. I mean......the guy actually makes charging EV’s entertaining 😂😂
My wishlist for now: Tesla M3 LR and MG ZS EV 😅
Really like the looks of southern Norway. I think out of your videos (i've watch most of them) that area of Norway is very pleasing to the eyes (mountains/coast) and the weather looks mild (close to the ocean). Great content.
Cost wise the other point is that most people are not on a trip most of the time. The car is a commuter, a hauler, mostly used locally. Then the electricity used in domestic, just like your lighting and appliances which is far cheaper. In Israel the domestic KWH cost 50 cent NIS which is about 1.5 kroner. Half or a third of the same KwH on the road. assuming a thousand KM trip leaving the house full battery with 45 Kwh usable thats 300 km for 37 Kroner. So it calculates to far cheaper than gasoline or diesel . To say nothing of the pollution.
Another excellent video and now with financial info, even better
Can you imagine someone paying for your gas because you don't know how to refill your car? I can't... EV WORLD SO NICE!
It was just €2.5. No big deal.
@@bjornnyland
It’s still a nice gesture, and one I have never seen anyone make at a petrol station.
And depending on what the electricity cost is, €2.5 can get you quite a few miles or kilometres of extra range :)
€2.5 can actually give you 30 km of range.
@bjorn sjøstrom only Bjorns or everyone ? ;)
Hahaha you're awsome. I was considering the ec4 but I just ordered the e 2008 in DK
Nice Bjørn !
Just sat and waited for it :D
I laughed when Bjorn said "double penetrate"
Yep brilliant as ever. Charging networks are improving all the time all over Europe especially as the old Fossil companies are also getting involved as they know Electric is the future now with sustainable power :)
Has someone sent the video to that "reporter"?
Really good! Perfect to show this video for diesel supporters.. thanks!👍
Good you help the lady too🤗
@Bjørn Nyland
Your excitement for Thai Food is priceless :D
Hej Bjørn, nice to see all the Charging Stations from my Roadtrip with a eCrafter from Germany to Nordkap and home again. Thanks greatings from Samsø
Did you actually drive an e-Crafter from Germany to North Cape? That would be major pain.
@@bjornnyland Hej Bjørn, i drive in August 2020 to the Nordkap th-cam.com/video/aAt2Y4_U46A/w-d-xo.html
Good on you for being a good samaritan!
This is amazingly balmy weather for November in Norway.
200k this week?!🙌🏻
Love the reports. e2008 on order. 👍🏽
Haven't finished the video, but Norway is gorgeous!
„I’m still not finish eating, but we‘re good to go“ (14:55) 😋 It’s a problem nowadays! Fast loading is too fast! We want more public slow charger! Everywhere! 🙏
you should know that only you caused me to buy the 2008 E for my wife and she is delirious happy.
So the e-2008, e-208 handshake problem is solved by keeping firmly the charging cable shaft against cars charging port for a while? Did I understand it correctly?
This works for many cars , also e-tron suffers from it and pushing the cable can help.
Comes for the EV content. Stays for the Thai food Mukbang!
8:45 great food! And delivery using EV (Tesla)
Thanks for a great video!
You should be able to get some support from The Norwegian tourist Association "VisitNorway" or are they just freeriders?
So does kia now have lower prices on ionity now they are part of the group like vw.
As you are the man in the know😉
to keep the food warm, use the heated seat ;-)
„Good stuff“ Bjorn 😄👍👍👍
The Thaï community is strong in Norway ? It seems you can find food everywhere !
It's noice :D
Perhaps they are just 3 people and Bjorn has all prepared to make us believe there are plenty!
Hey, hva ville denne turen kostet idag 29 aug 2022? Vurderer å kjøpe denne bilen. Nydelig video! 🌞🇧🇻
Thoughts on bmw IX?
Yes
how much do you think it costs to drive a KONA / NIRO the same trip?
have a small wish you could tell how much it costs to drive when you drive 1000 km challenge.
thank you for the amazing videos you are making have been following you for about 3 years now
probably at least in EU, we can say, it is already in most EU countries already cheaper (margin may vary) against diesel or petrol cars, many many times cheaper than regular (not only selfcharging) hybrids and PHEV's too... and you do not need to be in Norway, charging infrastructure is spreading too. It may not be as vast as in Norway but already usable in like 90% of cases.
Don't forget maintenance.
Consumption for an SUV is more around 7 to 8 L/100 km. 5 L/100 km is just on seller prospectus.
These peugeot s are with pretty low fuel consumption in real life. I have 1.6 hdi 5008 2015 year model. I average about 4.6 l/100 km if I drive carefully. 5.5 l/100km if I drive like a maniac.
@@Meeliskt77
Is this based on your computer indication or on real datas ?
My 2012 Nissan qashqai’s computer claims an average consumption of 6,3 L/100km, while my calculation gives a real consumption of 7,0 L/100km, with an average speed of 60 km/h. Nissan never found why the indication is that bad, but in fact many calculators are unprecised...
He is just promote himself with stupid way. Keep going to do your job for the win. BejornTesla for the world.
I am not driving nearly enough. Only 13000km since May and mostly charging at home. 😁
Ok this sounds way better than yesterday:))
What was so bad about yesterday?
@@bjornnyland Did not know the total cost over 1000KM plus the timing for the distance.Even though the Peugeot does not have the longest range still perform-quiet impressive .Cant wait you to test the WV ID4/Skoda enyaq!
Love your content Bjorn. Could you move your map in the Peugeot (or your McHammer) on Poland and show if the navigation system sees any chargers here in my country? I am really curious to see this.
What values do you use for the numbers on the thumbnail?
how much does the electricity cost and how much consumption/cost are we assuming for the Diesel?
Watch the video.
Shown in the video he estimated 6 liters of diesel pr 100 km at 13 NOK. I think he had 3-4 NOK pr kWh - semi expensive as he said.
I didn't mention it in the video, but with NAF Xtra Mastercard, I can get additional 15 % discount on fast charging. And on that trip, I didn't enable 10 % discount on Circle K. So this trip was far from optimal as an EV even.
And in the video I also talked about toll roads which nakfan100 didn't mention here. That's why I recommend you to watch the video to fully understand.
whats your opinion of Xpeng?
Yes
Norway Tourist office should pay you for advertising Norway so positively.
Do you know if the reporter watched these videos?
The outcome of this challenge is what everybody here already knew: Challenge won! Big Time!
If Frank Willeksen was a real journalist he should have done some research on EV-driving before making the trip. He then wouldn't have made the mistakes he did and certainly would not write the article the way he did. It was just (very) poor (and bad) journalism. Anyway, you corrected him Björn.
Congratulations and keep up the good work.
Fantastic man!!! Be cool
UK needs to take some lessons from Norway, charging infrastructure is nowhere close
Great job !!!!!!!
Compared to when I drove ICE I will spend two hours more traveling this route. Compared to driving my Leaf I will save a shit load of time.
The calculations are a little stretched in favour of EV. Pretty much any newer Diesel car in this class consumes around 4-5l / 100km and the price of diesel in Norway is around 1.2 / 1.3 Eur/l. So it's about the same in terms of cost for a 1100km trip with only one fill-up.
Anyway, great video! Would love to see a review of the Mazda MX-30 :D
Incorrect. Drive the same route with a crossover over several mountains in that rainy weather and you won't get low numbers.
@@bjornnyland I have a 10 year old 1.5 Diesel car (I want to switch to electric), but in summer I did 2500km with AC on and only on highway at 120km/h and in cities and still got under 5l/100km.
Then try to drive that diesel on the same route I took. Remember that highest point of the journey was over 1000 meter over sea level. And I had two mountain crossings plus wet roads. Comparing it with flat highway in summer is irrelevant.
The main disadvantage with fossil car (not PHEV) is that once you go up a mountain, you have to brake on the way down. The extra energy you wasted going uphill can't be regenerated.
Are you required to use snow tires on this trip? This would also reduce fuel economy on both diesel and EV.
Master 💪🔋💪🔋💪
5:03 Type 3 charging 'gasm for "the poor ppl" 🤣😱
The goberment should tax him for that type C discharge!
Of that, I can promise they already have!
Even the Norwegian national anthem has a verse dedicated to taxation.
7:15
"Sørlandet" in SørlandsBjørn dialect incoming in 3, 2, 1...
Nice 👍👌 thanks 😊
Recently the beautiful ads are getting more and more interrupted by Bjørn’s content. Anyone facing the same problem?
TH-cam red or premium, no adds, runs in background so can listen with locked phone, can download, + + +
Gen 2 prius - 57 euros (~68euros if you're taking the unoX prices from the video). Also 1km for me in Lithuania costs ~4.5 euro cents, could be even cheaper if i had an lpg conversion. Does that mean EVs are a bust on pricing?
Not if you're driving the route I did and at those speeds.
Bip bip 😂😂 Proximity kill me 😂
Grønn kontakt - for the poor people. Don’t think that will catch on as a slogan.
Diesel is still cheap in India as on today, it is just Rs.75/ltr i.e. kr 9.12/ltr
For 1100 kms run considering average of 16.66 km/ltr i.e. 6 ltr/100km Indians would spend Rs.4951.5/- i.e. kr 575.68/-
For 154kWh we would spend just Rs. 3080/- i.e. kr 358.09/-
(Charging cost is Rs. 20/kWh higher side considered i.e. kr 2.33/kWh)
So the difference in India between EV & Diesel for 1100 kms would come up to Rs. 1871.5/- i.e. kr 217.59/-
Finally,
Diesel comes to Rs. 4.5/km i.e. kr 0.52/km
Electric comes to Rs. 2.8/km i.e. kr 0.32/km
And like you Sir i haven't mentioned oil change & timing belt..haha
Love your videos.
Best Luck Wishes Always!
Cooking batteries at 80 kW :-).
Active cooling ftw ;)
Good job. Ferdig snakka.
Mr.Bjørn great video with data. One suggestion . We want to see you stay healthy and keep promoting the benefits of EV .
That regular consumption of soft carbonated drinks and red meat may not be good for your health and also environment. And since you are producing videos and eating on road so many times this can take toll on your health.
Who's Byorn?
@@bjornnyland sorry my bad. I made an error that too in your name.
Some how the Norwegian pronunciation of "j" threw me off. I do not know the European languages .
@@ronnie5966 true . But of course each one has their taste and choice.
Also I read somewhere that the carbonic acid in these drinks is bad for teeth and bones if ingested regularly.
And that article talked about the flavouring used could be harmful.
Red meat or any mean on general in long run can cause accumulation of antibiotics and growth hormones in our body.
I am not sure about the quantity and frequency , but the gist of article was we should reduce consumption of these items.
Meat is of course less eco friendly as well.
Specially since Mr. bjørn does so many videos , it may be helpful to reduce consumption of these items.
4:55 shots fired!
I would like to comment on the plastic bag... :D
... and on the plastic dish and plastic spoon as well.
That’s why the government here in Australia has introduced road user tax for EVs! They want to tax us for going green! Which actually could be illegal, hybrids will get taxed too? Home mowers and brush cutters too? Right now as an ev owner, and not a rich ev owner just a humble leaf owner, I see this as the biggest backward step of any nation on the earth, this to me says our politicians are in bed with big oil! I registration taxes and tolls ! without any incentive, I pay wage taxes ! If you want introduction of road user tax do it for all vehicles and heavy on large vehicles like giant 6litre V8s.
i almost forgot "plastic"
so fifteen bucks for each portion of to go fast food. or 50 kwh of electricity by the prices quoted, or 300 km or electric range for the price of a mouthful of food. Amazing
Shieeet I ordered e-2008.
@@ermalbaj Still waiting. :(
Ninja don't like plastic
In Germany it would have been 112,18€ electricity at Ionity (0,79€/kWh) and 65€ for Diesel (1,05€/l) at any fuel station. Plus don‘t forget your charging time which is also the time of your life, which you are losing. You can‘t put Norway all over Europe in terms of fuel prices, whether it’s electricity or diesel 😉
' Thai food for the win '...lol
The sony a7s III would be a nice replacement
Nope, it won't for me. Maybe for you. But not for me. Why do you think it would be better for me?
@@bjornnyland just a suggestion!
@@djrrmml7514 not everyone needs to have the best video camera in the world
Ok. But could you please tell me why the Sony is better for me?
Watch the potato jet review, its just a great overall camera for someone who does a lot of videography like Bjorn does.
Saw the price of the thai food _ naw I'm good in poland
My 2018 Kia Soul CRDI 160 000 sek.
2020 Kia E-Soul 450 000 sek !!
Diesel is a LOT cheaper !
Kia e-Niro 385k NOK
Kia Niro PHEV 370k NOK
Not really fair to compare the price of a 2nd hand car to that of a new car.
@@John_S_NL No both brand new but the diesel was a 2018 model, bought it in 2019.
@@John_S_NL Try to buy a good second hand ev under 200 000 sek !
A lot of good diesels under 100 000 sek used. Electric cars are VERY expensive to buy .
@@bjornnyland To expensive !
A good used diesel is under 100 000 sek !
You can buy a lot of diesel for the 300 000 sek differens.
Makes me sick every time i see those windmills ruining nature in a 100% Hydro powered country. Thank you Germany...
@@AnonYmous-rw6un By truåyin to enjoy nature and in your face, bammmm! Windmills.
@@mjk8019 Indeed, small price to pay for the clean future we all want and need ASAP.
*wind turbines
@@kasmopaya2676 sure, fuck nature
I like the look of wind turbines. As long as they are all white. Some of the german wind turbines with the red stripes and the red lights are really ugly. Look industrial and ruins the landscape.