Well that is certainly a video to remind me how much fun we had and how much I hate cabling all in a tidy, clumsy 38 minutes:) Great editing Jacob to capture the experience!
@@GuiltyofTreeson cables grow with the tree and resist corrosion from rain, like the tree, right? It's not possible for a severely corroded piece of metal to be in a tree right? I mean, nobody ever chopped down a tree and found a severely corroded piece of metal inside a tree right? I'm so happy insurance companies insure homeowners who cable trees, and insure arborists who install it. It helps keep me, and everyone else in the usa, from spending too much money on gas and beer!!!
Hey you two, Jacob or Kevin, Awesome video, I have the same situation as was in this video concerning the oak, included bark in a 50 year old Pin oak, two codominent stems spanning 13’ from bolt to bolt, issue is there’s a branch dead center of span and all tree branches are inline with each other, can the cable run up against the center one or should I bolt through the center one tying all three together? Thanks
This video was a gas. Refreshing topic not often covered. You and Kevin have a good rapport that was fun to be a part of. Most of all though, it’s nice to hear you admit your discomfort with the situation you found yourself in when hanging way out on that limb. Those midwestern trees have you out of your element and you ain’t afraid to admit it. Bang on man!
I can’t put into words how much i appreciate the work and time you put into all you’re videos, just for us to see, learn and get better, you are truly awesome, by far my favourite arborist to watch, i look up to you alot thank you very much Jacob. from Québec, Canada
We use the dewalt angle grinder for cutting EHS. My contractor uncle visited us on a cabling job and saw we were struggling with the large bolt cutters. He recommended the dewalt angle grinder. History ever since!
Welcome to our neighborhood, Jake! Very instructive video on cabling. I love (almost) all trees but Siberian elms are nothing that we should preserve because these brittle, non-native, and easily storm damaged trees send thousands of wind blown samaras/seeds to infest our communities.
I have noticed that the cobra does loosen up quite a bit. Kevin has a solid point! Most don’t understand that a tree only lasts for so long. They pay; we pray 🙏 lol!
About to set up a cable on a tree job that's coming up. Im familiar with the system, been on a crew that did one and Ive read about it enough, but its a first for me. A lot of good information here, and it felt very natural, just like if it were me at one of my jobs. Thank you for making this video, it really helped build up a lot of confidence to say "just go for it!" I may be ISA certified but im always learning.
I enjoyed that. Years ago I saw many of the old roadside oak trees in Rotorua heavily cabled and concreted and wondered what the life expectancy of such "surgery" would be!
Glad I'm not the only one who finds myself in these situations. Wanting more lines, and finding I have too many ropes to manage. Conversation definately helpful here. Great job.
reminds me of being a lineman. instead of being able to tighten threads on an eye bolt, we had to hook a chain hoist to the cable grip to tighten the cables. good job guys
Thanks for this, Jake. My dad used to do cabling with a looped wire covered with a section of garden hose. Glad to see that's been superseded. The banter suggests a bit of nervousness :)
Nice video. Everyone had fun which makes the day go by quickly. A suggestion, i recently picked up a dewalt battery angle grinder with the 4"wheels that is perfect for cutting the cable and any bolts you may be using. I use the thin wheels and works great. One tool for several steps in the process.
Battery angle grinder with a zip wheel works good for tons of things. Sharpen axes, reform wedges, sharpen a wrecked chain in a pinch, cable work, and all the vehicle maintenance. Livening in New York, we got so much rust that bolts don’t come out sometimes without acetylene or zip wheel
Right off the bat, let me say I enjoyed you clowning around on the hardwoods, welcome to our world. I follow a lot of you out west and you guys get the straight up climbs and I am often envious as almost everything back here is like that, awkward climbing and being old school I am newer to the SRT thing. I am getting used to it, but its different than pole climbing to be sure. (but I'd never have jumar'd up that rope on that one single bowing branch, that was kinda freaky, that thing could have broke, ...nuh uh not me, ...redirect, ...redirect...you've got some major cahuna's on you). And the company you were working with there are clearly some top flight arborists. Gonna throw my 2 cents worth in on the cabling, and that's all its worth as I am not the catch all expert and I am not even a certified arborist so just my own observations and experiences over the years and not saying anyone is wrong about anything. Just I have had some different observations at least back here in our overly damp and humid climate. But with regards to the two schools of thought on drilling, the more European way seems to be moving towards the Cobra fiber wrap, branch saver, etc and I myself have moved to it for both convenience since I work alone, and because of the non-intrusive method, especially when bracing instead of cabling (like low on twin codom's) because I think over the long haul, IF it can be maintained, its better for the tree. Its true it does require adjustment every 3 to 5 years and even replacement which of course benefits you more than the client, since they will usually have you come back to adjust or update it. The issues with growing into the bark diminish on older growth which is where I often employ it . It shouldn't be real tight, its not designed to keep the tree from moving its designed to keep the gap from opening too wide while facilitating normal branch movement. That cobra wrap looked pretty tight when compared to the installation instruction videos provided by the manufacturer. Upper canopy rigging should be slack and measured to pull tight gradually only when the gap becomes too wide. As far as wear, its nylon so like my 32 year old climbing rope that I climbed on up until 2 years ago when I retired it to a rigging line, it still holds. A little visible decay is to be expected, and squirrels, birds etc will mess with it but I've never seen one break. I have only been working with it for about 4 years but everything I've cabled thus far has held up fine. The issue I have with bolting, is this. Notice the limbs you were taking down, where they were bolted and cabled? You did two trees both that had been cabled and you took down two limbs, one from each that the cabled trees and both branches that had decayed and died right around the drill spot. Which is what I see throughout the region I work in. In fact almost every single drilled tree I have encountered ended up dying eventually near or around an area that had been drilled. While the tree does compartmentalize these types of wounds, its often not perfect and openings remain. Pathways for moisture, disease and infestation. Also did you bleach your drill bits? Especially on oak but with any prunes I am careful to clean my blades with bleach or alcohol, and then water. I am sure you clean your blades prior to pruning so I imagine they had the bits cleaned but just thought I'd mention that as that's another way drilling can introduce disease. On paper, opening a hole through the tree theoretically should be fine, but n practice especially in our hot, muggy humid environment I am routinely called on to work on previously cabled trees where the cabled limb has become compromised or even fractured or worse the tree succumbed completely to some kind of disease or infestation which ultimately ends up originating near one of the drill spots. Drilling works and is structurally sound and the tree may be fine for 10 or 15 years, but ultimately in a large percentage of trees I see it leads to the end of whatever locations were drilled. Not right away always, but depending on multiple variables eventually one of the cabled limbs dies and always around the drill spot and if two codoms are drilled for all-thread bracing, the tree's dying within 10 to 15 years. Trees last for centuries back here, 10 or 15 years is not very long. I work routinely on trees planted by the original settlers. Part of my work is for a historic farm on trees that were planted by some of the countries original founding fathers. I wouldn't feel good about introducing a drill to any of them but that's me. I realize there are two schools of thought, and not saying ones right or wrong just I wouldn't feel good about drilling them at all so I prefer the nylon wrap as long as it is maintained. Thus ends my 2 cents worth. Great video by the way, enjoyed every minute of it.
That cobra was installed like a static cable. It has to be installed with some slack in it so the tree moves naturally and its more of a travel limiter. That’s why they come with the shock absorbers. 15+ years installing them and I’ve never seen that. I also have never seen squirrels damage one, still haven’t. The fraying in the video was the chafe sleeve.
It can actually be installed statically too, depending on if there's damage to the union below or not, but it wasn't installed correctly and it has to be checked which should be planned. Who ever has this person as a client they should replace it regardless if it's synthetic or steel. Normal life for a Cobra cable is 5 years if I recall correctly
@@DisasterpiecesIRL That's true. I've done it static between twin codoms low down by the union as an alternative to bracing with all-thread. The upper canopy Ieave slack but those I do static.
You install metal hardware in trees? And you aren't ashamed? Do you smoke crack? It corrodes and breaks. It's physics. you jack up everyone's insurance for the house, and professional insurance. Prune the tree, and plant a new one....and when the current one dies there's another coming up ....... Idiocracy
Haha yeah it’s super uncomfy climbing way out on those long limbs. We don’t have any elm trees anymore, but we have huge silver maples that we have to cable sometimes. Two ropes is a great option and to get where you were I personally would have tied into the center of the canopy more since we’d have to reach more spots to cable usually. Plus then you usually feel way safer being tied into the center instead of just that long diagonal branch. Our company uses the wedge grip cable system which is super slick and installs really quickly. I’d love to try the first system you used that seems really nice! Love the video you edit those GoPro conversations fantastically! Cheers
This was so fun to watch. The awkwardness just adds to the reality. I have to note how far you've come at explaining things too. I think back to your old channel, I believe it was an explanation of the math behind getting sections of the tree to flip and fall flat on the ground. The explanation was a bit painful😁. You've become a really good teacher now. I'm not a tree guy at all, but I love learning about these things.
Nice work pretty jealous I usually have to cable trees like that by myself haha. I take it you have never done a hub and spoke cable those can be challenging. Its fun to see the difference in the work you do in Washington compared to other areas its interesting. Keep up the good work. Hopefully you make it to the Boston area soon some nice trees we climb out here
Yeah I bet there’s not much hub and spoke applications in Washington:) I once soloed a big silver maple hub and 7 spokes. Got r done in a day with a great tie in that allowed me to bounce around, I can’t recall forgetting anything except the GoPro to prove it:)
I did my first dynamic cabling about a month ago. It seems to be better for the health of the tree. No drilling or tapping into the tree. Never done a static cable job
Not trying to bash im a huge fan, I don't know if it's weird but I do consider you, buckin! And August mentors. Any way it's nice to see that you struggle in some trees.
Cable does break . We use them in Jacksonvile fl on big live oaks . The heavy winds with the density of the wood makes it the heavisty wood in north America. They have snapped cables
It makes me feel good about climbing on the east coast cause we always look at how big of tree they get out west an think they got alot harder of a job but watching Jake climb an talk about the difference an how hard are trees are to climb makes me realize we both got a tuff job . It's just cool to see someone as good as Jake kinda bobble around just cause he not used to are trees
Yeah buddy the trees are quite different! So far to me it seems like west coast guys cut wood a little better and east coast guys climb and rig a little better. I sure feel out of water climbing these wide canopies!
@@matthewgagne9603 so 👍 it took me awhile to get the spikless techniques down even to this day I run into some climbs that really challenge me an Iv ben doin this for awhile now. My first alot of years I just did removals an learned alot from that but once you start learning how to run around a tree spikless it becomes a whole new world up there. It really is funny tho I feel that some guys out west think just cause they deal with taller trees that they are better tree guys they totally underestimate the challenge of alot of East coast trees. I know they have some species that have wider canopies out there as well but most of my work is in large canopy trees. Il take a big pine or any conifer on an most the time those are the easiest or atleast the least challenging climbing wise yeah you gotta deal with the spar but once your proficient at spar work it's rare that there the challenging ones . I hate those huge cotton woods acutely most anything in the popular family they get decent size and the wood is junk it doesn't hinge good it pops off you can't turn them much gotta really plan out your rigging to make sure it strong enough an spread the weight out alot. But you know this lol anyway stay safe out there
We use these newer things they're not too new but it's just like how you cable and that tree but it's a black metal thing you twist it open a little bit you slide the cable into it and then you twist the end to lock it so easy and simple they are nice they're called preformed wedge grip 3/8
We just use eye bolts, cable and cable clips. This is a very strong and inexpensive method and very easy to install from a lift. If I had to climb a tree to cable it I'd definitely want something like what you're talking about
Good to compare against the cobra system. I was an old school climber and haven't done any cabling in decades and trying to decice between the cobra system and traditional steel cables. I think I'll stick with the tried and true. Takes more effort to install but seems far better in every other way
Have to say, Jake trusted someone else while climbing. That could have been bad..Funny laugh afterwards, but always listen to yourself. You are the best I have seen, don’t allow a local guy to tell you how to climb!!!
Let Kevin know knipex makes a handheld cutter that will cut ehs cable. Only the individual strands, though. Nick Arraya mentioned them in a tree stuff cabling seminar.
i learned that the dynamic cabling was for trees that dont need the all the time support of the cable. and how you would set it up is for the line to be slack that way in windy conditions it will give support to the branches when they are being flexed and need the help so they dont get to the breaking point. if you need to permanently support branches that is what the steal cable is for.
My thoughts exactly, the biggest benefit of the dynamic cabling is allowing the tree to move and put on necessary reaction wood and the proper mass at branch unions. Static cabling doesn't allow for that. It seems like the big elm in the video might have benefited from a dynamic cable but the oak at the end defiantly needed the static cable given its large existing crack.
In spite of the nut being larger than the drilled hole, it seems a tree-side flare on the nut or a washer would help provide one more "layer" of security...
Jacob awesome vid beings im a 17 yr climber my self here i Jersey. are trees are similar to Wisconsins but anyway ive done alot of cabling over the yrs. To the point great. Stay safe an were are u off 2 next.
tulip popular s 185ft white oaks 150 ft yes every cut is critical. But i have worked with some excellent rope guys that make it more fun than difficult.
Jacob/ Kevin - when we use wire stops we always trim the wire ends short, turn them back towards the trunk fully as close to the stop as we can and then use plastic caps with a glop of silicone or urethane inside the cap before putting them on, to try and help em stick even more. Years ago saw a guy come up against an EHT wire on a stop and it lacerated him just like a knife (not to mention potential for puncture wounds). That wire is hard hard hard. This holds even for eventual tree removal where the wire may be cut , the piece rigged down but now the ground guy has then end of a wire stuck in the tree limb with a stop on the other side of the limb with strands sticking up. Potential for wounds is really high. Maybe we're anal but the way we wire stuff up should be safe for the next guy way down the road (sorta like cuttin' whiskers in felling, cutting ends of plastic wire ties square instead of on an angle or removing or cutting strapping instead of leaving razors that have been cut on an angle). End rant. Do enjoy your videos a lot. Stay safe out there. (And maybe go back and fix the stop wires shorter and with end caps?) . . . sorry . . :-)
Not too many guys out there that care/worry about the next guy that has to work on something. I always try to do what I can regardless of what I'm doing because with my luck I'll be the next guy that comes along to work on whatever it is.
I love your videos! But the second half with the thru bolt eyes had 2 washers.. one for the eye side and one for the nut side. Im sure over time it wont make a difference but its the little things
Good communication and repore with each other. Watching each other backs. All joking aside from those heights one mistake and it could be a painful death or wheel chair for life. Be safe up there guys.
To me, it looked like whenever your climbing line was set...it wasn't set to make the climb easier. Myself, I like being tied in above my work, not at it🤷...Great video for cabling info
Ngl it took me a while to trust the lean over front side with drt at that lol but once I trusted my gear I’d hang upside down now and I’m from Pennsylvania 💪🏽💪🏽🙌🏽 dope vlog regardless 🔥🔥
Please review Best Practice for cabling. The prime position for a cable is six to twelve inches below a crotch, similar to the one you installed above the crotch. The cable will harm the branch as the tree moves. A thought.
Good eye. This is not a major support on a primary crotch, I think it was about diameter and drill bit length in this case. I believe the placement will be quite adequate in this case, but you inspire me to review the standards. Thanks for the observation!
@@kevinhammatgameoftrees7080 I’m happy to see that we all struggle from time to time with tree challenges, as long as we are safe and respectful we can all keep moving forward! Great videos great work!!
And what we always do I know that was a very spread tree but will measure and go about 4 inches over on each side that way we have just enough cable it works perfect most of the time then you just slide the black thing on tighten it down release it good to go
I have a big maple in my backyard. I’m just renting but they have cables in the tree. I don’t know how long they’ve been there but one of them failed? I’m not sure. Looks like it snapped due to the weight of the limb. I wonder what happened. Tree still stands. Has one cable intact. Several of the large limb were cut off previously. Very sprawly and thicc.
would it not help to pour the crack with some kind of glue? I do understand that a lot of epoxy and such actually heats up in large amounts and can cause fire.
I've done something like that quite a few times. I use my boom and do it myself. I use vice grips and ratchet straps to pull it. Poor man's method. General rule is go 2/3 way up and don't over tension.
Whats up with drilling crooked holes ? We re use our drill bits for years unless someone hits a nail or bullet, but we're in building construction, idk howit Makes sense to smoke a bit in one hole
Probably the refraction on the wide angle lenses:) “smoke is likely moisture from the wet wood. Not the same as construction wood:) Thanks for the comment, I need to sharpen the big bit though used in the oak.:)
Anyone know what the drill is that they are using? I can see it is a Dewalt, but curious if someone has a link or can point me in the direction of the actual model itself. Thanks Jacob, great video man super helpful to a green Arborist.
In bc Canada here most of the big leaf maple failure I can think of off hand are fails of the root plate or falling deadwood. Makes me think pruning may be a better option. interested in others opinions though.
@@neild7971 they get extremely wide to the point that they look so freakish, something must be done. If the tree is healthy and as already lived through season after season of storms, I’d cable it. Most times trimming and thinning is the only option tho.
After 10 minutes I was confident he was ok. 😂 it was solid, the reason we were cabling it is that we we’re taking a cable out that had been there for years.it was a big limb:)
You better watch out. You using a battery powered drill in a tree. You are going to channel your inner August hunichee and swap out your top handle for a battery powered husky.
@@iffykidmn8170 It's true that we don't use this in England really at all anymore but it's not because of the damage caused to the trees. In the UK putting cables in a tree is a liability issue, if we cable a tree and there's a failure that damages property or kills someone we can be held liable for it. Using cables here is seen as knowing there's a fault and potential risk with the tree, then If it fails we've taken "insufficient action" so now it's either prune or complete removal rather than be held liable.
Hey Jake maybe you can answer a question for me I have the pencil zillion and I need to replace the rope people say that you can use tri-tech 11 mm with the zillion do you know if that's true or not cuz I really would like to use the tri-tech with my zillion
I think you’re supposed to run at least 11.5 -13 mill rope. I ran an 11 on my zig zag and it would let slack through under load, not fast but it moved a little.
Hahaha spoken like a true ground guy only ever to be a blue jean brush dragger. “Good thing we have helmets” RIGHT because there really isn’t any other reason than when something falls out of an open bag while climbing. You know? CLIMBING?
This one makes me go "WHY?" right from the start. I don't think we do this here as a general practice. If it's too big and dangerous, we will just top or prune it. Very interesting video though.
Well that is certainly a video to remind me how much fun we had and how much I hate cabling all in a tidy, clumsy 38 minutes:) Great editing Jacob to capture the experience!
You were right Kevin, the pliers were in the bag lol
Kevin do you see any branch or stem failure right where the hole is drilled for the cable.
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@@GuiltyofTreeson cables grow with the tree and resist corrosion from rain, like the tree, right? It's not possible for a severely corroded piece of metal to be in a tree right? I mean, nobody ever chopped down a tree and found a severely corroded piece of metal inside a tree right? I'm so happy insurance companies insure homeowners who cable trees, and insure arborists who install it. It helps keep me, and everyone else in the usa, from spending too much money on gas and beer!!!
Hey you two, Jacob or Kevin, Awesome video, I have the same situation as was in this video concerning the oak, included bark in a 50 year old Pin oak, two codominent stems spanning 13’ from bolt to bolt, issue is there’s a branch dead center of span and all tree branches are inline with each other, can the cable run up against the center one or should I bolt through the center one tying all three together? Thanks
This video was a gas. Refreshing topic not often covered. You and Kevin have a good rapport that was fun to be a part of. Most of all though, it’s nice to hear you admit your discomfort with the situation you found yourself in when hanging way out on that limb. Those midwestern trees have you out of your element and you ain’t afraid to admit it. Bang on man!
Thanks man!
I can’t put into words how much i appreciate the work and time you put into all you’re videos, just for us to see, learn and get better, you are truly awesome, by far my favourite arborist to watch, i look up to you alot thank you very much Jacob. from Québec, Canada
Humility is the greatest trait when doing something new. Entertaining as always.
I appreciate the tree maintenance videos as much, if not more than, the removals. Good work
We use the dewalt angle grinder for cutting EHS. My contractor uncle visited us on a cabling job and saw we were struggling with the large bolt cutters. He recommended the dewalt angle grinder. History ever since!
Definitely a done deal, you’re the second person to suggest that, thanks!
Welcome to our neighborhood, Jake! Very instructive video on cabling. I love (almost) all trees but Siberian elms are nothing that we should preserve because these brittle, non-native, and easily storm damaged trees send thousands of wind blown samaras/seeds to infest our communities.
But for the client…she really likes this tree.
Loved cabling. Like most tree care, it's meditative, like a Zen thing.
Only seen one fail out of the hundreds installed.
Mr. Jacob, many years of watching. Never gets old and always learn more! Stay safe out there!
I have noticed that the cobra does loosen up quite a bit. Kevin has a solid point! Most don’t understand that a tree only lasts for so long. They pay; we pray 🙏 lol!
Not the worst cabling ever by the way! I think it was solid. Everything changes in the moment! Critical thinking!
Moly Hogan!
About to set up a cable on a tree job that's coming up. Im familiar with the system, been on a crew that did one and Ive read about it enough, but its a first for me. A lot of good information here, and it felt very natural, just like if it were me at one of my jobs. Thank you for making this video, it really helped build up a lot of confidence to say "just go for it!" I may be ISA certified but im always learning.
I enjoyed that. Years ago I saw many of the old roadside oak trees in Rotorua heavily cabled and concreted and wondered what the life expectancy of such "surgery" would be!
Glad I'm not the only one who finds myself in these situations. Wanting more lines, and finding I have too many ropes to manage. Conversation definately helpful here. Great job.
reminds me of being a lineman. instead of being able to tighten threads on an eye bolt, we had to hook a chain hoist to the cable grip to tighten the cables. good job guys
Thanks for this, Jake. My dad used to do cabling with a looped wire covered with a section of garden hose. Glad to see that's been superseded. The banter suggests a bit of nervousness :)
Nice video. Everyone had fun which makes the day go by quickly. A suggestion, i recently picked up a dewalt battery angle grinder with the 4"wheels that is perfect for cutting the cable and any bolts you may be using. I use the thin wheels and works great. One tool for several steps in the process.
Battery angle grinder with a zip wheel works good for tons of things. Sharpen axes, reform wedges, sharpen a wrecked chain in a pinch, cable work, and all the vehicle maintenance. Livening in New York, we got so much rust that bolts don’t come out sometimes without acetylene or zip wheel
Right off the bat, let me say I enjoyed you clowning around on the hardwoods, welcome to our world. I follow a lot of you out west and you guys get the straight up climbs and I am often envious as almost everything back here is like that, awkward climbing and being old school I am newer to the SRT thing. I am getting used to it, but its different than pole climbing to be sure. (but I'd never have jumar'd up that rope on that one single bowing branch, that was kinda freaky, that thing could have broke, ...nuh uh not me, ...redirect, ...redirect...you've got some major cahuna's on you). And the company you were working with there are clearly some top flight arborists.
Gonna throw my 2 cents worth in on the cabling, and that's all its worth as I am not the catch all expert and I am not even a certified arborist so just my own observations and experiences over the years and not saying anyone is wrong about anything. Just I have had some different observations at least back here in our overly damp and humid climate. But with regards to the two schools of thought on drilling, the more European way seems to be moving towards the Cobra fiber wrap, branch saver, etc and I myself have moved to it for both convenience since I work alone, and because of the non-intrusive method, especially when bracing instead of cabling (like low on twin codom's) because I think over the long haul, IF it can be maintained, its better for the tree.
Its true it does require adjustment every 3 to 5 years and even replacement which of course benefits you more than the client, since they will usually have you come back to adjust or update it.
The issues with growing into the bark diminish on older growth which is where I often employ it . It shouldn't be real tight, its not designed to keep the tree from moving its designed to keep the gap from opening too wide while facilitating normal branch movement. That cobra wrap looked pretty tight when compared to the installation instruction videos provided by the manufacturer. Upper canopy rigging should be slack and measured to pull tight gradually only when the gap becomes too wide.
As far as wear, its nylon so like my 32 year old climbing rope that I climbed on up until 2 years ago when I retired it to a rigging line, it still holds. A little visible decay is to be expected, and squirrels, birds etc will mess with it but I've never seen one break. I have only been working with it for about 4 years but everything I've cabled thus far has held up fine.
The issue I have with bolting, is this.
Notice the limbs you were taking down, where they were bolted and cabled? You did two trees both that had been cabled and you took down two limbs, one from each that the cabled trees and both branches that had decayed and died right around the drill spot.
Which is what I see throughout the region I work in. In fact almost every single drilled tree I have encountered ended up dying eventually near or around an area that had been drilled.
While the tree does compartmentalize these types of wounds, its often not perfect and openings remain. Pathways for moisture, disease and infestation. Also did you bleach your drill bits? Especially on oak but with any prunes I am careful to clean my blades with bleach or alcohol, and then water. I am sure you clean your blades prior to pruning so I imagine they had the bits cleaned but just thought I'd mention that as that's another way drilling can introduce disease.
On paper, opening a hole through the tree theoretically should be fine, but n practice especially in our hot, muggy humid environment I am routinely called on to work on previously cabled trees where the cabled limb has become compromised or even fractured or worse the tree succumbed completely to some kind of disease or infestation which ultimately ends up originating near one of the drill spots.
Drilling works and is structurally sound and the tree may be fine for 10 or 15 years, but ultimately in a large percentage of trees I see it leads to the end of whatever locations were drilled.
Not right away always, but depending on multiple variables eventually one of the cabled limbs dies and always around the drill spot and if two codoms are drilled for all-thread bracing, the tree's dying within 10 to 15 years.
Trees last for centuries back here, 10 or 15 years is not very long. I work routinely on trees planted by the original settlers. Part of my work is for a historic farm on trees that were planted by some of the countries original founding fathers. I wouldn't feel good about introducing a drill to any of them but that's me. I realize there are two schools of thought, and not saying ones right or wrong just I wouldn't feel good about drilling them at all so I prefer the nylon wrap as long as it is maintained. Thus ends my 2 cents worth.
Great video by the way, enjoyed every minute of it.
That cobra was installed like a static cable. It has to be installed with some slack in it so the tree moves naturally and its more of a travel limiter. That’s why they come with the shock absorbers. 15+ years installing them and I’ve never seen that. I also have never seen squirrels damage one, still haven’t. The fraying in the video was the chafe sleeve.
Thanks for that insight!
It can actually be installed statically too, depending on if there's damage to the union below or not, but it wasn't installed correctly and it has to be checked which should be planned. Who ever has this person as a client they should replace it regardless if it's synthetic or steel. Normal life for a Cobra cable is 5 years if I recall correctly
@@DisasterpiecesIRL That's true. I've done it static between twin codoms low down by the union as an alternative to bracing with all-thread. The upper canopy Ieave slack but those I do static.
You install metal hardware in trees? And you aren't ashamed? Do you smoke crack? It corrodes and breaks. It's physics. you jack up everyone's insurance for the house, and professional insurance. Prune the tree, and plant a new one....and when the current one dies there's another coming up ....... Idiocracy
Haha yeah it’s super uncomfy climbing way out on those long limbs. We don’t have any elm trees anymore, but we have huge silver maples that we have to cable sometimes. Two ropes is a great option and to get where you were I personally would have tied into the center of the canopy more since we’d have to reach more spots to cable usually. Plus then you usually feel way safer being tied into the center instead of just that long diagonal branch. Our company uses the wedge grip cable system which is super slick and installs really quickly. I’d love to try the first system you used that seems really nice! Love the video you edit those GoPro conversations fantastically! Cheers
Such dope editing. I feel like I’m doing it with you! Thank man for taking time to do this!
Does putting a cable in a tree increase the chance of it getting struck by lightning? 🤔
I once pruned one of those elms that took me two days! It was 13’ across. Nice work fellas
This was so fun to watch. The awkwardness just adds to the reality. I have to note how far you've come at explaining things too. I think back to your old channel, I believe it was an explanation of the math behind getting sections of the tree to flip and fall flat on the ground. The explanation was a bit painful😁.
You've become a really good teacher now. I'm not a tree guy at all, but I love learning about these things.
Fun video to watch! Good work
Nice video. Backcountry Coffee does not disappoint !
Cordless angle grinder with a slicer wheel works great for cutting that cable.
Good to know!
Stihl TSA230 battery cutoff saw
That’s a good idea! You don’t have to tell me to buy a tool twice:)
Yep, and for that job that little m12 cutoff would be sweet.
All that banter about throwing ropes was halarious!
Great to find another awesome tree guy like Kevin and his team to watch and learn from. Jake you’re doing big things brother, keep it up.
How bout making one end complete on the ground and finishing the other in air.
Otherwise great video and everyone having fun while working.
Stay safe.
Really good editing! Pro tree work. Thanks for the vids
Nice work pretty jealous I usually have to cable trees like that by myself haha. I take it you have never done a hub and spoke cable those can be challenging. Its fun to see the difference in the work you do in Washington compared to other areas its interesting. Keep up the good work. Hopefully you make it to the Boston area soon some nice trees we climb out here
Yeah I bet there’s not much hub and spoke applications in Washington:) I once soloed a big silver maple hub and 7 spokes. Got r done in a day with a great tie in that allowed me to bounce around, I can’t recall forgetting anything except the GoPro to prove it:)
I like how savagely Kevin hacks on you. Me and my friends are the same way. Instead of taking it personal and getting mad just savage each other back
This was an awesome video! I loved all the banter and laughing and you still got the job done!
I did my first dynamic cabling about a month ago. It seems to be better for the health of the tree. No drilling or tapping into the tree. Never done a static cable job
So glad I'm not the only one who feels lost in those bigger elm canopies
Thanks for the entertainment
Not trying to bash im a huge fan, I don't know if it's weird but I do consider you, buckin! And August mentors. Any way it's nice to see that you struggle in some trees.
No offense taken! I’m traveling around and doing tree work in different places, the struggle is inevitable! :) thanks for your kindness 🙏
Cable does break . We use them in Jacksonvile fl on big live oaks . The heavy winds with the density of the wood makes it the heavisty wood in north America. They have snapped cables
we use those spirals for holding fiber cables here in Norway. I have never seen one slip or break but they tend to break the pole instead
It makes me feel good about climbing on the east coast cause we always look at how big of tree they get out west an think they got alot harder of a job but watching Jake climb an talk about the difference an how hard are trees are to climb makes me realize we both got a tuff job . It's just cool to see someone as good as Jake kinda bobble around just cause he not used to are trees
Yeah buddy the trees are quite different! So far to me it seems like west coast guys cut wood a little better and east coast guys climb and rig a little better. I sure feel out of water climbing these wide canopies!
Yep 40-50 out on a limb lol. No gaffs loosing your footing. Swinging back to the base ain’t nothing like it. $5 ride as my groundie always says. 😛
@@matthewgagne9603 so 👍 it took me awhile to get the spikless techniques down even to this day I run into some climbs that really challenge me an Iv ben doin this for awhile now. My first alot of years I just did removals an learned alot from that but once you start learning how to run around a tree spikless it becomes a whole new world up there. It really is funny tho I feel that some guys out west think just cause they deal with taller trees that they are better tree guys they totally underestimate the challenge of alot of East coast trees. I know they have some species that have wider canopies out there as well but most of my work is in large canopy trees. Il take a big pine or any conifer on an most the time those are the easiest or atleast the least challenging climbing wise yeah you gotta deal with the spar but once your proficient at spar work it's rare that there the challenging ones . I hate those huge cotton woods acutely most anything in the popular family they get decent size and the wood is junk it doesn't hinge good it pops off you can't turn them much gotta really plan out your rigging to make sure it strong enough an spread the weight out alot. But you know this lol anyway stay safe out there
We use these newer things they're not too new but it's just like how you cable and that tree but it's a black metal thing you twist it open a little bit you slide the cable into it and then you twist the end to lock it so easy and simple they are nice they're called preformed wedge grip 3/8
We just use eye bolts, cable and cable clips. This is a very strong and inexpensive method and very easy to install from a lift. If I had to climb a tree to cable it I'd definitely want something like what you're talking about
@@amosbackstrom5366 yeah I have used your way many times as well it's easy too definitely with a bucket and very strong
Good to compare against the cobra system. I was an old school climber and haven't done any cabling in decades and trying to decice between the cobra system and traditional steel cables. I think I'll stick with the tried and true. Takes more effort to install but seems far better in every other way
I cannot believe you guys went up on those tie in points way out from the main trunk on skinny angled limbs 5" in diameter!
Nice work!!!!
Have to say, Jake trusted someone else while climbing. That could have been bad..Funny laugh afterwards, but always listen to yourself. You are the best I have seen, don’t allow a local guy to tell you how to climb!!!
Very interesting and informative. I definitely learned something. Thanks for the video.
Let Kevin know knipex makes a handheld cutter that will cut ehs cable. Only the individual strands, though. Nick Arraya mentioned them in a tree stuff cabling seminar.
Thanks Wilhelm!
Come try doing a cottonwood in the SW. 3ft, thick branches.
i learned that the dynamic cabling was for trees that dont need the all the time support of the cable. and how you would set it up is for the line to be slack that way in windy conditions it will give support to the branches when they are being flexed and need the help so they dont get to the breaking point.
if you need to permanently support branches that is what the steal cable is for.
That would be the theory, yes, great comment! Thanks
My thoughts exactly, the biggest benefit of the dynamic cabling is allowing the tree to move and put on necessary reaction wood and the proper mass at branch unions. Static cabling doesn't allow for that. It seems like the big elm in the video might have benefited from a dynamic cable but the oak at the end defiantly needed the static cable given its large existing crack.
Please, forgive my ignorance. I thought cabling is a bad idea. It just keeps trees together instead of taking them down. Am I wrong?
In spite of the nut being larger than the drilled hole, it seems a tree-side flare on the nut or a washer would help provide one more "layer" of security...
Amazing properties. It’s so awesome, so refreshing, that depending on geography this can easily be a deep six figure career.
Ha, now I don't feel bad struggling when climbing these trees in WI. And I thought it was just because I'm a weekend warrior climber.🤣
Great video Thanks
Great video! Super funny and informative
Jacob awesome vid beings im a 17 yr climber my self here i Jersey. are trees are similar to Wisconsins but anyway ive done alot of cabling over the yrs. To the point great. Stay safe an were are u off 2 next.
I bet you have some big one out there.
tulip popular s 185ft white oaks 150 ft
yes every cut is critical. But i have worked with some excellent rope guys that make it more fun than difficult.
Jacob/ Kevin - when we use wire stops we always trim the wire ends short, turn them back towards the trunk fully as close to the stop as we can and then use plastic caps with a glop of silicone or urethane inside the cap before putting them on, to try and help em stick even more. Years ago saw a guy come up against an EHT wire on a stop and it lacerated him just like a knife (not to mention potential for puncture wounds). That wire is hard hard hard. This holds even for eventual tree removal where the wire may be cut , the piece rigged down but now the ground guy has then end of a wire stuck in the tree limb with a stop on the other side of the limb with strands sticking up. Potential for wounds is really high. Maybe we're anal but the way we wire stuff up should be safe for the next guy way down the road (sorta like cuttin' whiskers in felling, cutting ends of plastic wire ties square instead of on an angle or removing or cutting strapping instead of leaving razors that have been cut on an angle). End rant. Do enjoy your videos a lot. Stay safe out there. (And maybe go back and fix the stop wires shorter and with end caps?) . . . sorry . . :-)
Not too many guys out there that care/worry about the next guy that has to work on something. I always try to do what I can regardless of what I'm doing because with my luck I'll be the next guy that comes along to work on whatever it is.
Enjoying watching your traveling adventure Jake! What happened with Hawaii??
Kevin needs to send Jacob back up to cut off the excess cable on his side of the tree.🤭😁
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@@GuiltyofTreeson 😳👍
We’ll let it slide:)
For the record the video shows the pliers were in the bag :-)
Okay Kevin you don’t need to rub it in 😂
I saw it
I love your videos! But the second half with the thru bolt eyes had 2 washers.. one for the eye side and one for the nut side. Im sure over time it wont make a difference but its the little things
that was so funny man great video
Good communication and repore with each other. Watching each other backs. All joking aside from those heights one mistake and it could be a painful death or wheel chair for life. Be safe up there guys.
To me, it looked like whenever your climbing line was set...it wasn't set to make the climb easier. Myself, I like being tied in above my work, not at it🤷...Great video for cabling info
Ngl it took me a while to trust the lean over front side with drt at that lol but once I trusted my gear I’d hang upside down now and I’m from Pennsylvania 💪🏽💪🏽🙌🏽 dope vlog regardless 🔥🔥
Thanks!
What part of Pennsylvania are you from Brian I'm from Pennsylvania too right outside of Pittsburgh
@@br-dj2ti half hour outside of king of Prussia right by the limerick reactors 🙌🏽
Its hilarious seeing west coast guys coming east and having no clue how to climb more horizontal trees. Great video once again tho!
I laugh too but I never been 150 feet up so I shouldn’t.
@@ericharris893 Oh man me too, i would call for my mama at that height.
Please review Best Practice for cabling. The prime position for a cable is six to twelve inches below a crotch, similar to the one you installed above the crotch. The cable will harm the branch as the tree moves.
A thought.
Good eye. This is not a major support on a primary crotch, I think it was about diameter and drill bit length in this case. I believe the placement will be quite adequate in this case, but you inspire me to review the standards. Thanks for the observation!
Great work guys!!
Thanks!
Thanks we at least had fun
@@kevinhammatgameoftrees7080 I haven’t done cables yet, but it seems like a little bit of a privileged. Looking forward to the time I get to!
@@plant.more.trees. literally, something always goes wrong, but it can be rewarding when you preserve rather than remove
@@kevinhammatgameoftrees7080 I’m happy to see that we all struggle from time to time with tree challenges, as long as we are safe and respectful we can all keep moving forward! Great videos great work!!
It was a good vid...good info. Thanks
interesting... never heard of cabling a tree. cool
And what we always do I know that was a very spread tree but will measure and go about 4 inches over on each side that way we have just enough cable it works perfect most of the time then you just slide the black thing on tighten it down release it good to go
I do want to try those sometime. Thanks
Jacob you should ask him where's the needle for the tree to numb it before you drilled it
that's the first cabling video that shows putting a cable as high as it should be. The most common mistake is putting cables in too low.
I have a big maple in my backyard. I’m just renting but they have cables in the tree. I don’t know how long they’ve been there but one of them failed? I’m not sure. Looks like it snapped due to the weight of the limb. I wonder what happened. Tree still stands. Has one cable intact. Several of the large limb were cut off previously. Very sprawly and thicc.
Well to each their own, but there is no way in hell I’d be out on that limb with out a secondary tie in back to a strong point.
It was a big limb, but yes, to each his own.
would it not help to pour the crack with some kind of glue? I do understand that a lot of epoxy and such actually heats up in large amounts and can cause fire.
😂😂😂That was pretty funny
Setting guy wire with Jim Breuer
I've done something like that quite a few times. I use my boom and do it myself. I use vice grips and ratchet straps to pull it. Poor man's method. General rule is go 2/3 way up and don't over tension.
Remember the masdam rope puller? I’ve got one of those hanging in the shop. Great for solo work for sure.
Is it just me or does Kevin look exactly like Michael Shannon who plays Van Alden in Boardwalk Empire.
Whats up with drilling crooked holes
? We re use our drill bits for years unless someone hits a nail or bullet, but we're in building construction, idk howit
Makes sense to smoke a bit in one hole
Probably the refraction on the wide angle lenses:) “smoke is likely moisture from the wet wood. Not the same as construction wood:) Thanks for the comment, I need to sharpen the big bit though used in the oak.:)
co-dominant situations should be prevented but if you have to cable then go ahead I guess.
Anyone know what the drill is that they are using? I can see it is a Dewalt, but curious if someone has a link or can point me in the direction of the actual model itself. Thanks Jacob, great video man super helpful to a green Arborist.
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Thank you!
Thanks, Jacob. Does cabling work well on Big Leaf Maples? Jess
I put cables on them. I do it because I’ve seen it done on many and with longevity
In bc Canada here most of the big leaf maple failure I can think of off hand are fails of the root plate or falling deadwood. Makes me think pruning may be a better option. interested in others opinions though.
@@neild7971 they get extremely wide to the point that they look so freakish, something must be done. If the tree is healthy and as already lived through season after season of storms, I’d cable it. Most times trimming and thinning is the only option tho.
Yeah I don’t think I would have trusted that limb Jacob.
After 10 minutes I was confident he was ok. 😂 it was solid, the reason we were cabling it is that we we’re taking a cable out that had been there for years.it was a big limb:)
Cabling is just putting off the inevitable.
Are you going to upload on the old channel
His old channel got taken by eastside tree works. Treeson does not own that channel any more. This is his only channel now.
Ok
Nice.😆 😆.💪
You better watch out. You using a battery powered drill in a tree. You are going to channel your inner August hunichee and swap out your top handle for a battery powered husky.
Over in the uk we don’t use this anymore really dude to the damage it causes to the tree
Trees respond very efficiently to drill wounds. Gilman out of Florida has some good research on it.
cable or allow the union to split out which causes less damage to the tree and or possible surrounding buildings?
@@iffykidmn8170 It's true that we don't use this in England really at all anymore but it's not because of the damage caused to the trees.
In the UK putting cables in a tree is a liability issue, if we cable a tree and there's a failure that damages property or kills someone we can be held liable for it. Using cables here is seen as knowing there's a fault and potential risk with the tree, then If it fails we've taken "insufficient action" so now it's either prune or complete removal rather than be held liable.
*A master arborist and I*
That is correct but I wrote the title that way originally and I didn’t think it sounded as good(even though it’s proper) lol
@@GuiltyofTreeson I love your videos and have learned a lot from them, not trying to be mean or anything. 👌💯🌲⛓️
Oh hell no! I'm hiring a pro.lol😂
Makes me wonder why plp complain about spiking a tree. If this is ok then spiking a tree isn't any different
@27:45, the cobra is what? I think he means to say degrading
Hey Jake maybe you can answer a question for me I have the pencil zillion and I need to replace the rope people say that you can use tri-tech 11 mm with the zillion do you know if that's true or not cuz I really would like to use the tri-tech with my zillion
I think you’re supposed to run at least 11.5 -13 mill rope. I ran an 11 on my zig zag and it would let slack through under load, not fast but it moved a little.
Sorry dude I have zero idea. I haven’t used a zillion much at all
I have 11.2 in mine and it works well. No slipping except when I bump it…hate it when that happens:)
@@kevinhammatgameoftrees7080 so Kevin you think the tritech would be okay to put in the zillion
Cobra dat sum ***** up brother.
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Hahaha spoken like a true ground guy only ever to be a blue jean brush dragger. “Good thing we have helmets” RIGHT because there really isn’t any other reason than when something falls out of an open bag while climbing. You know? CLIMBING?
This could be edited down to ten minutes without losing a thing.
This one makes me go "WHY?" right from the start.
I don't think we do this here as a general practice.
If it's too big and dangerous, we will just top or prune it.
Very interesting video though.
You don’t know this client:)
Its all like that here in England bendy snappy bouncy limbs
Those are bolt cutters not cable cutters
Sorry, cant watch these vids with fast turning heads with gopros ontop. I get vertigo just trying.
Shit yer better ways. Bit pricey but lot more good.