Usually there is a mirror fitted to the back window of the tractor to allow you to see the pick up hitch when coupling a trailer , surprised the 7530 doesn’t have one
Reminds me of the never ending "who has the biggest pecker" contest between each and every nation/country/city/whatever else. This hitch isn't better nor worse. It is excellent for what it is made for. Quick hooking and unhooking of those types or hitches. Each hitch has it's application, doesn't mean europe is better nor that america is.
That hitch better around the farm! It’s not comparable to that at all! Because there are times when one country has better farm equipment than the other! Instead of saying it was a negative competition. It would be helpful to have friendly competition to invent & innovate things!
Hi. Here in Norway we use the so called UK hitch, and i will say that when you have used it some times, it dont take that long to connect a trailer, not any longer than the time you used on the US hitch. And i think the UK hitch is safer to use, because on the locking of the trailer hitch. But the US hitch looks very Nice. We can’t all like the same things😎
Yep and the bulk of the weight is closer to the tractors axle. Less to go wrong just lean out the cab a little. Once the hook clicks into place its secure but can still pivot
The baler might weight 12 ton but the nose weight at the hitch will only be around 3 - 3.5 ton. I know people over here in the uk hauling grain trailers weighing 25 ton gross with 7530’s and they piss it !. It’s all about the nose weight !!!!!!!!!
The hook hitch used in the UK and Ireland surely stems from convenience; a lot of implements are mounted on the 3 point linkage over here as opposed to predominantly being trailed in the US due to size and hp restraints. The hook hitch prevents the need to disconnect the drawbar from the tractor every time you want to mount an implement on the 3 point linkage.
In the uk we also run big balers and the drawbar hitch copes well with them, most of the weight of the krone is in the axles and only a small amount will be on the drawbar.
Hello, just stumbled across your video, love the 7530. all the “quick hitch” or hook hitch’s in Ireland/UK are only rated for 3 ton to remove liability from the manufacturers. They can hold probably over 20ton. Been pulling a 14 ton excavator plus buckets on a low loader with them for years as have many others. Still holding strong.
I have been out of farming for a number of years (UK) but back in the 1990s we used pick up hooks for the heavy work (we had trailers up to 13 tons). Sure the hook was out of view from the cab but there were guides on either side to align the hook which allowed you to back up into the trailer eye in a second. The 3 point lifted the hook up & the latch locked the hook up so that the hitch could never detatch by accident. We also used this type of pick up hook on the back of a trailed forage harvester which you backed up to pick up an empty trailer so a single working tractor could work a field, dropping full trailers & picking up empties as you want & the filled trailers were hauled back to the clamp (pit) for dump & return. It was very efficient & fast. When I moved to Canada in 2000 I did some work with tractors here again & I found the tractor hitches here a complete bunch of pants....
We moved from Friesland (NL) to the UK and our Ford 3000 had a hitch mounted above the axle, as was common in The Netherlands at the time. We were told it was illegal in the UK and so switched to an under axle one off a 5000. I am much more familiar with the pick up hitch type as used in the UK. It should be noted that European farmers are far more likely to used trailers that have front axles that steer, while UK farmers tend to use trailers that are carried on the hitch. This hitch demonstrated is great and easily visible, but way too far back for the types of trailer used where plenty of weight rests on the axle. for 4wheel trailers like shown here, it will be fine. Technically you still have to get off the tractor to hook up your lights and air brakes/ hydraulic lines, but yeah sure hitches up quick. No use on heavy trailers in my view.
Alex Veldhuis we don't use brakes on ag trailers. Or lights. None of that nanny state bullshit in America. What do you suppose that 40' trailer in the video.will weight when fully loaded with hay?
@@verteup "Nanny state bullshit"....hmmm. Since when has making yourself visible to other road users on single-track country lanes been 'nanny state bullshit' I cannot fathom. We have very short dark winter days and visibility to other road users helps to prevent accidents. We prefer to engage in prevention rather than having an excuse to go to court and sue somebody for something as stupid as hot coffee being hot. Now that is really 'nanny state bullshit'. People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.
The baler is designed to have weight on axle hitch is just to tow along ,, not a bad idea of a hitch but needs took off when using arms or PTO , if u get used to the UK /euro you don't need to look at hook ,also in UK our load length is restricted so with this your loosing a foot of length on trailer and leaving more awkward to bring a trailer into fields with longer drawbar as UK roads can and alot would be very narrow
1: spec a mirror on the rear window, you can see the hitch perfectly 2: how do you use a pto machine with that quick hitch 3: it wont work with a fixed drawbar full off grain as it wont lift it up Uropean is better you just need a mirror and a good opperator aswell a a ball hitch not a hook
I think they show them at some farm shows and I know I have seen them demonstrated at the Clay County Fair. Not sure if they still have a booth there or not. Always thought they were neat but expensive. That is why we never purchased them.
This is the reason I bought mine, to pick up round bales. Their spread across the field and you'll have groups of 3-4 close together and by the time you drive around to fill the wagon you have a lot of wasted time. Now I move the wagon to the where there is a group of them and cuts loading time in half. As with hooking and unhooking any wagon keep on level ground to prevent runaway wagons. Do use the safety pin when running the roads takes just a few seconds when hooking and unhooking, I never had a problem with mine (been using it for 15 years) but over time the spring may weaken and bouncing and jerking from rough roads anything could happen.
Wes, I'm not wanting to cause an argument because the fact is that we use different methods in different countries and that isn't likely to change. I'd just like to make a couple of points. Firstly, speed comes with practice, so the series of movements that you say took a minute to lower the hook, with practice can be done in a matter of seconds. The same goes with judging when the hook is in the ring. It's just a case of knowing your machine and practicing. Secondly, your concerns about strength are unfounded. I know from experience that one of those 7530 pick up hitches will manage a fully loaded trailer topping 36 tons, which according to my maths is about 81000 U.S. pounds. (That's at the top speed of 56kph on a none too smooth surface) Finally, the reason we like the pick up hitch (and its variants), apart from being quick, is it's safer. There's no need for someone to come between a tractor and unsecured trailer to drop a pin in and risk getting crushed. Also, because the hitch lifts the front end of the trailer, some of the weight is transferred onto the back end of the tractor. This not only increases traction, it allows for safer braking. I'm not trying to teach you to suck eggs, you know your business and it's up to you what you do with it. But please don't knock the systems we use in the UK, they're safe, proven and reliable. Cheers
Joe Barton hi Joe and if you see most off there trailers thay ar all swivel trailers. So thay don't have the Wight on there draw bar thay ar just doing a strat pull all the time. So if we put that on ar standard trailers u can see big problem to much on the drawbar . The way we have hours are better cos brings Wight in on back axel.
As far as I'm aware, trailers in the U.S. don't need to be braked. In that case, having the weight on the tractor, and only having the one pivot will make braking much safer
Joe Barton That's not true, at least for highway towing any real weight. In my state, once you go over 3,000# trailer weight, all axles need to be braked, and you need breakaway brakes, to boot.
bcubed72 over here all are trailers have brakes now but have trailer closer to tractor I find it lot better less jack knifing ok we do use artic trailers over here as well i uesd to Hall hay with them. But its hard to back up as well cos of extra turning point but like every thing it's the way u have grown up with the tractors and trailers wich u just grow with. I'm not saying what wes as there its great if u moving stuff around quickly around yards but just long distance pulling it not for me. But in UK we got lots more rules to go by. Now. In . U.s it's different rules in different counties. . Even the tractor wes is using there is from over here are trailers have to have brakes on them.
I remember 4 months of pain while healing from harvest season. Yanking tounges around to line up with hitches. Yes you can extend the tongue sometimes 18 inches but there is always an alignment of an inch sideways. Moving the front wheels with 9 thousand pounds of weight on them was an issue. 2 years of using this system resulted in no painful injuries to my shoulders. I used the safety pin while on public highways or roadways. Not so much field to yard travel. The kind of pin with the wrap around capture clip works real well. I put the supplied pin with separate spring clip on the planter box rack as a spare.
In fairness both systems work well but the only disadvantage to the us style is that there cannot be any tounge weight which would render it useless to us over the pond
I was kinda thinking the same thing, I don't think that would hold up for long hooking up like a 15-20 cubic grain trailer, let along pulling it at full load.
I'm not saying it doesn't work with lighter loads, as hay or one of them smaller grain trailers with a whole in the bottom. Just a hassle having to switch between two hooks.
i dont know about john deer but on our massey 390 and 4355 we have a mirror on the back window,and when you open the window the mirror goes with it ,and you can see the hitch in the mirror.
Well even in Germany we have a completely different technic, wich works beautiful, i've never seen such a Hook (UK) before, and i was wondered about the American technic, i like this idea
Hi Wes. Why does the hook on the tractor mount on the underside of the draw bar? It looks like there are two lugs to create a channel to sit on top of the draw bar and prevent a lateral/twisting motion. Perhaps they are for some other reason
Andrew Adams you are correct about the two lugs, they are supposed to straddle the drawbar from the top. He is using a heavy cat drawbar that is extremely wide and judging by the clip it wouldn’t fit, he is also using it for light tongue weight applications so it should not be an issue for him
Fairly common for a plate and two bars to be welded on top the tongue with the bolts one washer inside on that kit and you just make that bars'n'plate thing for all your wagons.
Every tool has its application, personally I can’t see that hitch system working in the uk. 90% of all modern equipment in the uk uses the pick up hitch with the hook not the drawbar and there is no pin to line up. That hitch you’ve got there wouldn’t work when you’ve got a full 16t trailer with most of the weight on the tong, yes if it had a dolly you’d be fine, but you loose all the traction on the back tires then. And once you’ve used the uk style for a few months you can judge where the pick up needs to be. Personally I don’t have the push out option and I find it fine. No maybe not as quick but safer because you have to lift the arms to the very top before the trailer can be disconnected. There are horses for courses and I don’t doubt that your hitch is much better for you. But it doesn’t work for everyone and there no way that you can say every uk and Irish operates is wrong for not saying your way is better, just like we can’t say ours is better
It's a bit wrong to say that most of the weight is on the tong. There is a 3tonn limit on the hitch in most tractors (afaik), only larger ones having one that is rated for 4.2 or something. So a trailer is often rated with getting close to that limit when fully loaded. And even empty having probably some 500+kg on the tong. I would still argue that the pick-up hitch is better than the standard US ones, as I see no real benefit of the US ones except it being pure mechanical.
Descorath there's only a limit when picking up the trailer due the connecting rods are small ones u connect the trailer nearly half the weight is on the pickup hitch just that the hooks are strong enough to hold the weight and the rods aren't
Your SpeedHitch tm is only for fully trailed trailers . the tongue is too long for semi-trailers . And ur country has less demanding tractor laws . We need to register, insure our tractors and under go mandatory yearly technical inspection . And our trailer has to have brakes unless trailed mass is lower then the tractor itself . So u need to get out and and hook up brakes , and lights too , so inserting the hitch pin takes only additional 5s . And Europe doesn't have that UK Hitch style . if u need more visibility to the hitch , u could always put a mirror .
its not a pissing contest its to allow his dad to hook and unhook hay wagons faster and it works its not a way to shit on anybody else his dads knees are getting bad and now he can hook and go without getting in and out of the tractor
We have a John Deere 7280R that was built for delivery in OmsKirk UK and factory equipped with a Pickup Drawbar CT3 hitch. The hitch hook was very visible from the tractor seat, and that tractor is FULLY equipped: 5 pair rear SCV hyd. connectors, 2 air brake cone connectors, 1 hydraulic brake connector, ISO bus & trailer light electrical connectors, and a hydraulically extended 3 point center link. Looking out the rear window of Wes's 7530, there are two large manual hydraulic selector valves in a stack, that very much block the view of the pickup hitch OR the stock drawbar. What are these hydraulic controls for? Wes's 8530 seems to have a clean view to the drawbar. His Krone BP1290 HDP baler has a machine weight of 27,000 pounds / 12,000 kilograms. and the machine has a tongue weight of up to 4,400 pounds / 2,000 kilograms. The Bergman Mfg site does not indicate the Agri-Hitch rating for tongue weight.
Budd 56 Anyone who has lived to Wes's dad's age & farmed his entire life, deserves to be pampered and spoiled by their children as much as possible because they have earned it (imo) 😊
i would say its to do with using heavier trailers for smaller/lighter tractors for small areas and using the weight transfer from the trailer to help the tractor get traction - so it is close coupled so that the weight is as close to the rear axle as possible
There's usually a mirror on they mudguards of tractors in Ireland so you can always see the hook and with your fast hitch you have a lot of work to do if you need to use the 3 pt hitch you have to unbolt the drawbar which takes a lot of time. With the eu hitch the drawbar is out of the way and the minute u take off a trailer you don't have to modify it to use the 3pt hitch. I will admit that hitch is slightly faster that the EU hitch but it wouldn't suit the trailers that are used in Ireland
Who the fuck puts lights, brakes and shit on a hay trailer? Y'all do that in Ireland because your overseers say you have to. Cuz "muh safety" mate. Fuck outta here with that pansy ass bullshit. America is the breadbasket of the fucking planet. Think of us next time you're shining your masters shoes.
we dont have dolly trailers over here, we use the hook to lift trailers off the skids that they are parked up on. about a ton ,that guide would just bend back. good hitch for your implication tho.
Using the European/UK telescopic hitch is a skill, once you master it it’s easily as quick as the ‘agri speed hitch’ and what you do is extend the hitch out with the hook and lean out slightly and you can easily see the hook, practice makes perfect, also having the drawbar extended with the agri hitch, means it would be more likely to lift the tractor in the air with a heavy load, I really don’t like having the cord dangling around when all it has to do is catch a link arm and there goes your load down then hill 😂
Wtf are u talking about man john dear tractors and Cats are the best the hitch design doesn't matter. U should keep most attachments on not remove exchange do anything with it . If u can afford it otherwise its all just the same destroy the tractor
Just require everyone to install the safety pin before going on the road. 2 minutes job of putting in the pin could save you a bunch of money later if something was to happen.
Take someone like his dad who doesn't get around to easily anymore yeah 2 minutes. Take Tim or Wes then yeah be less than a minute and back in the can and rolling down the road.
BIlly the SMall Bong thorton from india shut up with your stupid comments on everybody honestly no one cares for your opinion or your bullshit so be a lamb and shut up.
But that thing needs to be detached when you use your 3-point hitch. And that can not take any load from the trailer to the tractor wheels. It's simply way too far back from the rear axle. We here use only trailers wich give two to three ton load on trackor wheels to increase traction. Way I see it that US is just stuck in the middle age just because you guys had to be so hard headed. If hydraulic hitch was invented in US, everyone would use it. But hay 20 years from now, you will hop on the train of progress with us ;-)
I love that quick hitch and release action: so positive and secure. But the main question that all the commenters are missing, surely, is: why on this green Earth did you go to the massive expense of buying and importing a British tractor to the USA?!? (And leave the original meaningless number plate on it! Do you intend to ship it back at sone point? Perhaps for a driving holiday?) Are our farm vehicles so popular over there that this is not a terribly unusual thing to do? What could be so good about our equipment that you would prefer it over stuff made in your own country? I am presuming that if you have what looked like two of our tractors then you'd also have some matching agri equipment/ attachments/ accessories...
Also it’s a lot of extra work putting on and taking off the quick hitch off the drawbar of the tractor when you need an implement for the link arms etc
august you are right, because everyone I know that uses this hitch, has it on top of the drawbar. The only reason I think Wes put it on the bottom is maybe the drawbar might be too wide.
he really should consider switching it around tho. the wagon side of the hitch has that little stand which seems like it sits pretty low when connected and could catch on something. with the tractor side of it on top of the draw bar he'd gain that little extra ground clearance. have a feeling he'll learn that the hard way soon enough
Bloody ripper mate!! Thanks for making this video. It’s one of the biggest things that pisses me off every day is hitching things up. I’m buying some for sure
How about a bowden cable like a bicycle brake? Less risk of it getting snagged on something and dumping your trailer, and you can route it and tie it up neatly
I'm in Ireland we use the pickup hitch and drawbar the hook is lightning quick just drop back up lift lock and go used it at silage and hauling diggers and dump trailers and the like the drawbar on your 7530 is slower with the fact that the pin has to be dropped in it is well able for the baler because most of the weight is on the axles it's just pulling it it is more than fit for it but it is more of a preference we think it's a great system but not everyone else has to
gewoon en zwaaihaak trekbek k80 kogel of zoals wij zelf gemaakte trekplaten die op de plek van de zwaai haak zitten zijn zwaarder gebouwt dan die zwaai haak van 8530😂
We use those hitches on our chopper boxes and grain wagons and they do work very well. My only real complaint is that the bolt and washer system to space the wagon hitch is kinda BS. The bolts always loosen up and it's difficult to get a wrench in the bolt head. Instead we welded steel spacers on the poll
I'm a great follower of your channel and always respect your point of view. I'm an Irish person, have driven tractors since I was six, now 40. I repair tractors for a living. The hydraulic pick up hitch non extendable is faultless. I've used it to pull 20 ton loads of wet heavy silage on single, double and tri axle trailers. This sort of system is ok, but shear strength is compromised.
Typical farmer when it comes to oiling or greasing anything. The motto is, "When it is new, it doesn't need it and when it is old, it isn't worth it". Then start screaming poverty.
god good... sound like the absolute opposite of Norwegian farmers. here it's like like "it's says add xx amount of oil\grease once a week, lets triple that and to it twice a week" not unusual for tractors here to have an inch of hardened grease on top of the back axle after 10 year of use. on the note its nice because nothing rusts stuck, downside is that you need to clean it to be able to repair anything...
Very nice... only thing I could see as an improvement would be to install a spring loaded solenoid controlled safety "locking pin" that would automatically lock the coupler to ensure it couldn't accidentally uncouple if something got up there and tugged on the cable, or if the cable dropped down a bit and got tangled on a weed or limb or something... have it wired up to a doorbell (momentary) switch in the cab that you had to depress the button and yank on the cable to uncouple-- the momentary switch would energize the solenoid and pull the lock pin back, allowing the cable to then yank up on the lock to allow the trailer to uncouple... If you wanted to keep it TOTALLY electronic-free, a cable-pulled spring-loaded safety lock pin could work, or better yet, just go to a push-pull type "choke cable" setup to pull the unlocking lever instead of the regular cable or rope to unlatch it... with the "choke" cable pushed in, it would push the lock lever down, with it pulled up, the lock lever would unlock... might need some sort of spring mechanism so that the lock lever can flip up when the trailer locks in, and slide up the cable against the spring to do that... with a stop on the cable end so when the cable is pulled it positively pulls the lock up to unhitch... It looks like it works very much like a vertical version of a fifth wheel hitch on a semi truck... very clever. Later! OL J R :)
Fergal Murphy You can do whatever you want on your own property. It's only once you use a public road that they can get you. (There's also a "farm use" exemption in most states, for slow-moving vehicles within a certain distance of the farm.)
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bcubed72 it's same same here in Ireland, only when you go on a public road do we need tail lights, brake lights and indicators.
I'd suggest putting a snap lock and a closed eye. I can see that cable falling off and getting drug or caught under a wheel. That's a really slick hitch system.
Lol, it was german engineers who invented large rockets, a scotsman invented the phone, a british engineer invented the first computer and an italian the incandescent light bulb, but otherwise you're right!
if the v is not wide enough you can take a piece of pipe and bolt it on through the provided hole, they do sell the extensions for things like a forage harvester where you can see very well.
Your living in uk in Europe son .....arrogant Brits you’re empire fell long time ago but when you leave Europe you have all that manufacturing to sell to India .......
What you need to understand is that most of the uk uses a closed field system meaning that we have hedges and trees and are fields are generally smaller. So we don't need to be pulling a 20m cultivator ( a random example) meaning we don't need to have a big and bulky of tractors and hitches. Also using the pick up hitch is a skill and once you have had some practice it's easily to use and very quick to use.
Maaate, I think that Bergman speed hitch is slick as sh*t. Have not seen this before in New Zealand What a genius idea. Will definitely be using this idea on the bale trailer when picking up pads of bales from the accumulator. Move the trailer, pick up bales, hook up and move the trailer, pick up more bales. Genius!! I wonder how much weight the pick up at the tong can bear before it bends and won't pick up the trailer? Meh... I'll just modify it when that happens. Thanks onelonelyfarmer great channel mate.
Im Irish and all i got to say is our style of pickup hitch isn't as good as the european style hitch. Bought a new holland in from Holland last year and it had the euro hitch on it and all i got to say it was a right good strong capacity Drawbar no hook just a drawbar. Only issue with it was it was very hard to work with tankers and trailers as hitch wouldnt go down..
That looks fine for a trailer with a turntable on but here in Ireland 🇮🇪 we use draw bar trailer and that hitch is back away too far from tractor a 3 axel low loader would rip that right off 🙈
It really is just preference to either or. Working here in Scotland at my uncles farm, we use the hook for most of our implements and it’s just the case of getting used to knowing the tractor where the hook aligns. Purely trail and error till it becomes second natures. Got to admit though that hitch is pretty rapid👍🏼.
That hitch is identical to the one on my 1983 Case 1193! They are rated up to vertical weight of 4 tons max! I have to put a specialized hydraulic cylinder and custom attach it to the hitch then draw the baler onto the hitch before putting a cross-bar support across the three point and making sure that all three hydro points are simultaneously supporting the weight... the dealer put uses for these things into the manual that never were intended..then the salesman gets creative with that and ‘predicts’ what he (who has never used a tractor for any use ever) how it will perform for you!
the UK Pick Up Hitch works well but is a pain to see on older tractors where it doesnt extend out. the Benefit is it brings the weight nice and close to the axle for good traction. Im not familiar with JD hitches but it looks like youve got half of the clevis hitch there? Clevis hitch is for the lighter weight stuff and the pick up hitch "hook" is for mid range weight stuff... really heavy stuff has a ball and cup hitch.
That is the bees knees man, Maybe change the standard cable for a hand brake stye cable or sleeve it in bent tubing to couture the back of the tractor. Fit a spring to tension it down all the time . Also where you hitch it and unhitch it may be worth having a dip or mounts to act as drive over wheel chocks.
@onelonleyfarmer we have these on our grain wagons for harvest on the farm here in Minnesota, but instead of the rope we have a spring loaded system with two different small hydraulic cylinders as a double redundant system so it WILL NOT come unhooked. They save a ton of time!
Here in Finland I use on our Fords the European type hitch and I pull loads up to 20tons and it works very good and the agri hitch would not work with our trailers that have onely one axle and 3/4 of the load is on the hitch.
Wes, you are talking about the strength of hitches, but now you are pulling on only the top plate of the wagons drawbar, basically reducing its capacity by 50%. The British/Scandinavian pickup hitch with the hook has a 3 ton, 6600 lbs vertical rating, and usually 35 tons rating for pull. That Bergman hitch sure is fast, but it also sticks out a mile, is very close to the ground, and you still need to go out and attach the safety pin. I wouldn't run it on the road without a pin as it sure is easy to drop the trailer. And with no brakes on the wagons. The good things with trailers and not wagons, is they transfer weight to the tractor, usually 2-3 tons. And if ever a hitch were to break, the drawbar would hit the ground and stop the trailer.
So a few things- I'm from Ireland, and we are irish and European. The hitch is a brilliant design but would not be aloud on the public roads. Mostly because if the cable got pulled the trailer would become detached from the tractor too easily. Next the front dolly in your trailer ( axel and front wheels ) also illegal to have on public roads in Ireland. For those reasons our trailers wouldn't suit those hitches as there is unsupported weight on the hitch .in Ireland it's the weight of the trailer that keeps the hitch on the tractors rear wheels and adds to traction.
Wes, I think I saw the Speedhitch way back when as well at Farm Progress Days. I too wanted my dad to get these for us. We had 6 forage wagons (20' long) and while I was chopping, my mom & sister each had a tractor hauling wagons back & forth between field & farm and my dad would have his unloading tractor. Can you imagine how many times we all climbed up & down from the tractor to hook up wagons all day?!?!?
I think the UK/Ireland hitch is much neater compact type of hitch. With the hitch OLF is demonstration, There’s a lot extra bits bolted on to tractor and machine and it’s all stuff to wear and come loose. As for weight, I’ve pulled 44000+ pounds on those euro hitches. No problems.
Some of the tractors over in the UK have mirrors on the rear window so you can see the hitch with the window open. Valtra definitely do which makes life much easier!
So this is speed pintle and lunette hook system the military has been using for years. Nice fast hookup that will get you to good ground to pin it for the road. The old 3 point with draw bar was not faster than anything other than what it replaced.
It's horses for courses! I use the UK ring hitch with great success you only need to reset tractor linkage once you start the engine . On my gently sloping fields your trailer would be gone if not putting some means of holding it My drawbar resting on the ground holds trailer on most places I need to load bales I have to get of anyway to connect the braking line and lighting cable so can release the hand brake at the same time in necessary your hitch looks very strong but is a long way out . Why not try the ring hitch that came with the tractor and weld a ring to the trailer ? . Cost about £25 regards dave
Now fit the hook that is on your tractor . pick up the trailer in seconds in a few days you could do it in the dark! Cost nothing as it's already fitted and so much more stable at speed regards from uk
An auto-latching pintle hook! Nice 👍. The only drawback for your tractor is the 300mm or so added length on the drawbar will reduce it's vertical load carrying capacity.
I've read many of the comments and there is something that many have evidently not observed. That is that this particular hitch is more suited for unhitching and hitching wagons like the one he demonstrated with. The other hitch (never used one probably never will ) appears to be for heavy drawbar work. Did anyone else have someone in their life them to use the right tool for the job? Different tools have different jobs and ways of using them. One isn't inferior or superior to the other they just have different purposes. Some are more specialized than others and some more generalized. All it comes down to is does it serve its purpose.
I have used them before they are awesome for chopping. I do know some people who have welded pipes for extensions on tractor mounted part of it to make it easier to hook up. It’s especially nice with the extension on a hitch mounted on the pull type chopper
That's a awesome product, one thing Wes, shouldn't the coupling be on top of the drawbar not supported by the bolts, I was always taught to use the base metal to support the load and use fittings to control movement, Cheers Dom
Usually there is a mirror fitted to the back window of the tractor to allow you to see the pick up hitch when coupling a trailer , surprised the 7530 doesn’t have one
It has a hydraulic ram to extend the hitch out
Always used a hook and ring, strongest system and quickest, I'm from uk.
A much stronger than this thing, best solution. Im from finland.
Reminds me of the never ending "who has the biggest pecker" contest between each and every nation/country/city/whatever else. This hitch isn't better nor worse. It is excellent for what it is made for. Quick hooking and unhooking of those types or hitches. Each hitch has it's application, doesn't mean europe is better nor that america is.
The best comment here.
Ron jeremy
Wtf mine is bigger than yours
Just to be clear America is always better
That hitch better around the farm!
It’s not comparable to that at all! Because there are times when one country has better farm equipment than the other!
Instead of saying it was a negative competition. It would be helpful to have friendly competition to invent & innovate things!
I've used these fast hitches for years. The more you use them, the more money you save.
Hi. Here in Norway we use the so called UK hitch, and i will say that when you have used it some times, it dont take that long to connect a trailer, not any longer than the time you used on the US hitch. And i think the UK hitch is safer to use, because on the locking of the trailer hitch. But the US hitch looks very Nice. We can’t all like the same things😎
Yep and the bulk of the weight is closer to the tractors axle. Less to go wrong just lean out the cab a little. Once the hook clicks into place its secure but can still pivot
yeah the baler might weigh 12 ton but most of the weight is on the tandem axles there probably only a few ton on the draw bar
I thought that too.
The baler might weight 12 ton but the nose weight at the hitch will only be around 3 - 3.5 ton. I know people over here in the uk hauling grain trailers weighing 25 ton gross with 7530’s and they piss it !.
It’s all about the nose weight !!!!!!!!!
plus he bolts the other hitch to the drawbar anyway so whats the point in mentioning it
Bessert farms your clueless.
Hesston4860s so your only 6.78 tons over loaded then, let alone how much over your 31 ton train weight you are.....brilliant!
Wes, the 3 point linkage was designed by an irish man we just though we would make it better with the pickup hitch, it's handy. :)
The hook hitch used in the UK and Ireland surely stems from convenience; a lot of implements are mounted on the 3 point linkage over here as opposed to predominantly being trailed in the US due to size and hp restraints. The hook hitch prevents the need to disconnect the drawbar from the tractor every time you want to mount an implement on the 3 point linkage.
I have a neighbor who has a similar hitch for chopper wagons. They work slick just have to be careful they don't roll!
In the uk we also run big balers and the drawbar hitch copes well with them, most of the weight of the krone is in the axles and only a small amount will be on the drawbar.
looks like that hitch should be mounted on top of the old hitch instead of under?
Sure looks like it and it would create a more level line of the trailer drawbar.
Hello, just stumbled across your video, love the 7530. all the “quick hitch” or hook hitch’s in Ireland/UK are only rated for 3 ton to remove liability from the manufacturers. They can hold probably over 20ton. Been pulling a 14 ton excavator plus buckets on a low loader with them for years as have many others. Still holding strong.
That would work good for our hay wagon but that’s about it...
Northern farmer yep I agree, couldn’t pick up a draw bar with my weight on it. It also took at least 30 mins to set the tractor up for it.
I have been out of farming for a number of years (UK) but back in the 1990s we used pick up hooks for the heavy work (we had trailers up to 13 tons). Sure the hook was out of view from the cab but there were guides on either side to align the hook which allowed you to back up into the trailer eye in a second. The 3 point lifted the hook up & the latch locked the hook up so that the hitch could never detatch by accident. We also used this type of pick up hook on the back of a trailed forage harvester which you backed up to pick up an empty trailer so a single working tractor could work a field, dropping full trailers & picking up empties as you want & the filled trailers were hauled back to the clamp (pit) for dump & return. It was very efficient & fast. When I moved to Canada in 2000 I did some work with tractors here again & I found the tractor hitches here a complete bunch of pants....
We moved from Friesland (NL) to the UK and our Ford 3000 had a hitch mounted above the axle, as was common in The Netherlands at the time. We were told it was illegal in the UK and so switched to an under axle one off a 5000. I am much more familiar with the pick up hitch type as used in the UK. It should be noted that European farmers are far more likely to used trailers that have front axles that steer, while UK farmers tend to use trailers that are carried on the hitch. This hitch demonstrated is great and easily visible, but way too far back for the types of trailer used where plenty of weight rests on the axle. for 4wheel trailers like shown here, it will be fine. Technically you still have to get off the tractor to hook up your lights and air brakes/ hydraulic lines, but yeah sure hitches up quick. No use on heavy trailers in my view.
Alex Veldhuis we don't use brakes on ag trailers. Or lights. None of that nanny state bullshit in America. What do you suppose that 40' trailer in the video.will weight when fully loaded with hay?
Alex Veldhuis Hà ouwe fries, hoe hait dan in Amerika?
Hallo, ik weet niet wat 'hait' is, sorry.
Alex Veldhuis "
@@verteup "Nanny state bullshit"....hmmm. Since when has making yourself visible to other road users on single-track country lanes been 'nanny state bullshit' I cannot fathom. We have very short dark winter days and visibility to other road users helps to prevent accidents. We prefer to engage in prevention rather than having an excuse to go to court and sue somebody for something as stupid as hot coffee being hot. Now that is really 'nanny state bullshit'. People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.
The baler is designed to have weight on axle hitch is just to tow along ,, not a bad idea of a hitch but needs took off when using arms or PTO , if u get used to the UK /euro you don't need to look at hook ,also in UK our load length is restricted so with this your loosing a foot of length on trailer and leaving more awkward to bring a trailer into fields with longer drawbar as UK roads can and alot would be very narrow
1: spec a mirror on the rear window, you can see the hitch perfectly
2: how do you use a pto machine with that quick hitch
3: it wont work with a fixed drawbar full off grain as it wont lift it up
Uropean is better you just need a mirror and a good opperator aswell a a ball hitch not a hook
We have these hitches on our center dump grain wagons. We pull pairs empty to the field and pick up loaded ones to take back back to the farm.
I have wanted those hitches for years.
I think they show them at some farm shows and I know I have seen them demonstrated at the Clay County Fair. Not sure if they still have a booth there or not. Always thought they were neat but expensive. That is why we never purchased them.
Yeah, I've wanted one since the first time I saw one. I'm just too tight to buy one. LOL
when you buy one you will wonder why you waited so long
Most likely. I think you sent so many people to there website that it crashed it. When you click on the link it says bandwidth limit exceeded
oh really?
This is the reason I bought mine, to pick up round bales. Their spread across the field and you'll have groups of 3-4 close together and by the time you drive around to fill the wagon you have a lot of wasted time. Now I move the wagon to the where there is a group of them and cuts loading time in half.
As with hooking and unhooking any wagon keep on level ground to prevent runaway wagons.
Do use the safety pin when running the roads takes just a few seconds when hooking and unhooking, I never had a problem with mine (been using it for 15 years) but over time the spring may weaken and bouncing and jerking from rough roads anything could happen.
Wes, I'm not wanting to cause an argument because the fact is that we use different methods in different countries and that isn't likely to change. I'd just like to make a couple of points.
Firstly, speed comes with practice, so the series of movements that you say took a minute to lower the hook, with practice can be done in a matter of seconds. The same goes with judging when the hook is in the ring. It's just a case of knowing your machine and practicing.
Secondly, your concerns about strength are unfounded. I know from experience that one of those 7530 pick up hitches will manage a fully loaded trailer topping 36 tons, which according to my maths is about 81000 U.S. pounds. (That's at the top speed of 56kph on a none too smooth surface)
Finally, the reason we like the pick up hitch (and its variants), apart from being quick, is it's safer. There's no need for someone to come between a tractor and unsecured trailer to drop a pin in and risk getting crushed. Also, because the hitch lifts the front end of the trailer, some of the weight is transferred onto the back end of the tractor. This not only increases traction, it allows for safer braking.
I'm not trying to teach you to suck eggs, you know your business and it's up to you what you do with it. But please don't knock the systems we use in the UK, they're safe, proven and reliable.
Cheers
Joe Barton hi Joe and if you see most off there trailers thay ar all swivel trailers. So thay don't have the Wight on there draw bar thay ar just doing a strat pull all the time. So if we put that on ar standard trailers u can see big problem to much on the drawbar . The way we have hours are better cos brings Wight in on back axel.
As far as I'm aware, trailers in the U.S. don't need to be braked. In that case, having the weight on the tractor, and only having the one pivot will make braking much safer
Joe Barton
That's not true, at least for highway towing any real weight. In my state, once you go over 3,000# trailer weight, all axles need to be braked, and you need breakaway brakes, to boot.
bcubed72
I stand corrected. Thanks for letting me know.
bcubed72 over here all are trailers have brakes now but have trailer closer to tractor I find it lot better less jack knifing ok we do use artic trailers over here as well i uesd to Hall hay with them. But its hard to back up as well cos of extra turning point but like every thing it's the way u have grown up with the tractors and trailers wich u just grow with. I'm not saying what wes as there its great if u moving stuff around quickly around yards but just long distance pulling it not for me. But in UK we got lots more rules to go by. Now. In . U.s it's different rules in different counties. . Even the tractor wes is using there is from over here are trailers have to have brakes on them.
I remember 4 months of pain while healing from harvest season. Yanking tounges around to line up with hitches. Yes you can extend the tongue sometimes 18 inches but there is always an alignment of an inch sideways. Moving the front wheels with 9 thousand pounds of weight on them was an issue. 2 years of using this system resulted in no painful injuries to my shoulders. I used the safety pin while on public highways or roadways. Not so much field to yard travel. The kind of pin with the wrap around capture clip works real well. I put the supplied pin with separate spring clip on the planter box rack as a spare.
In fairness both systems work well but the only disadvantage to the us style is that there cannot be any tounge weight which would render it useless to us over the pond
I was kinda thinking the same thing, I don't think that would hold up for long hooking up like a 15-20 cubic grain trailer, let along pulling it at full load.
Also cannot be used with a PTO implement, like that big baler he was going on about in the beginning.
Fermin404 what do you think a fully loaded hay trailer in the US weighs?
I'm not saying it doesn't work with lighter loads, as hay or one of them smaller grain trailers with a whole in the bottom. Just a hassle having to switch between two hooks.
i dont know about john deer but on our massey 390 and 4355 we have a mirror on the back window,and when you open the window the mirror goes with it ,and you can see the hitch in the mirror.
Well even in Germany we have a completely different technic, wich works beautiful, i've never seen such a Hook (UK) before, and i was wondered about the American technic, i like this idea
Piton fix or k80?
That hitch system is beautiful! So fulfilling to watch.
Hi Wes. Why does the hook on the tractor mount on the underside of the draw bar? It looks like there are two lugs to create a channel to sit on top of the draw bar and prevent a lateral/twisting motion. Perhaps they are for some other reason
Andrew Adams you are correct about the two lugs, they are supposed to straddle the drawbar from the top. He is using a heavy cat drawbar that is extremely wide and judging by the clip it wouldn’t fit, he is also using it for light tongue weight applications so it should not be an issue for him
I Purchased one of these hitches about 5 years ago. Best investment ever.
The only problem I see is no brakes on the wagon it can easily roll away if your not paying attention
Fairly common for a plate and two bars to be welded on top the tongue with the bolts one washer inside on that kit and you just make that bars'n'plate thing for all your wagons.
Every tool has its application, personally I can’t see that hitch system working in the uk. 90% of all modern equipment in the uk uses the pick up hitch with the hook not the drawbar and there is no pin to line up. That hitch you’ve got there wouldn’t work when you’ve got a full 16t trailer with most of the weight on the tong, yes if it had a dolly you’d be fine, but you loose all the traction on the back tires then. And once you’ve used the uk style for a few months you can judge where the pick up needs to be. Personally I don’t have the push out option and I find it fine. No maybe not as quick but safer because you have to lift the arms to the very top before the trailer can be disconnected. There are horses for courses and I don’t doubt that your hitch is much better for you. But it doesn’t work for everyone and there no way that you can say every uk and Irish operates is wrong for not saying your way is better, just like we can’t say ours is better
It's a bit wrong to say that most of the weight is on the tong.
There is a 3tonn limit on the hitch in most tractors (afaik), only larger ones having one that is rated for 4.2 or something.
So a trailer is often rated with getting close to that limit when fully loaded. And even empty having probably some 500+kg on the tong.
I would still argue that the pick-up hitch is better than the standard US ones, as I see no real benefit of the US ones except it being pure mechanical.
Ben Cooke well said
I just want to see that hitch get ripped off and thrown back in the shop when the farmer realises he has a PTO to connect.
"OMG, not a PTO!!!"
Descorath there's only a limit when picking up the trailer due the connecting rods are small ones u connect the trailer nearly half the weight is on the pickup hitch just that the hooks are strong enough to hold the weight and the rods aren't
Your SpeedHitch tm is only for fully trailed trailers . the tongue is too long for semi-trailers . And ur country has less demanding tractor laws . We need to register, insure our tractors and under go mandatory yearly technical inspection . And our trailer has to have brakes unless trailed mass is lower then the tractor itself . So u need to get out and and hook up brakes , and lights too , so inserting the hitch pin takes only additional 5s . And Europe doesn't have that UK Hitch style . if u need more visibility to the hitch , u could always put a mirror .
I guess the European design is suited to a more skilled driver...
mf390 no skill on the Panzy farm
mf390 no bigger trailers
its not a pissing contest its to allow his dad to hook and unhook hay wagons faster and it works its not a way to shit on anybody else his dads knees are getting bad and now he can hook and go without getting in and out of the tractor
The Euro design is suited for European equipment, and they way you farm over there, this is suited for the equipment we use over here. Simple as that.
No they are approved for road use. We have some similar the Natohitch they are not approved for civil use.
We have a John Deere 7280R that was built for delivery in OmsKirk UK and factory equipped with a Pickup Drawbar CT3 hitch. The hitch hook was very visible from the tractor seat, and that tractor is FULLY equipped: 5 pair rear SCV hyd. connectors, 2 air brake cone connectors, 1 hydraulic brake connector, ISO bus & trailer light electrical connectors, and a hydraulically extended 3 point center link.
Looking out the rear window of Wes's 7530, there are two large manual hydraulic selector valves in a stack, that very much block the view of the pickup hitch OR the stock drawbar. What are these hydraulic controls for?
Wes's 8530 seems to have a clean view to the drawbar.
His Krone BP1290 HDP baler has a machine weight of 27,000 pounds / 12,000 kilograms.
and the machine has a tongue weight of up to 4,400 pounds / 2,000 kilograms.
The Bergman Mfg site does not indicate the Agri-Hitch rating for tongue weight.
You are spoiling your dad, good job on that 👍👍👍👍
Budd 56 Anyone who has lived to Wes's dad's age & farmed his entire life, deserves to be pampered and spoiled by their children as much as possible because they have earned it (imo) 😊
Wes has a lot today because Papa planted the seed years ago.
Time to enjoy the fruit of his labor.
i would say its to do with using heavier trailers for smaller/lighter tractors for small areas and using the weight transfer from the trailer to help the tractor get traction - so it is close coupled so that the weight is as close to the rear axle as possible
There's usually a mirror on they mudguards of tractors in Ireland so you can always see the hook and with your fast hitch you have a lot of work to do if you need to use the 3 pt hitch you have to unbolt the drawbar which takes a lot of time. With the eu hitch the drawbar is out of the way and the minute u take off a trailer you don't have to modify it to use the 3pt hitch. I will admit that hitch is slightly faster that the EU hitch but it wouldn't suit the trailers that are used in Ireland
Yea. Plus in Ireland you'll have to get down to plug in the lights. Brakes and hydraulics anyway so you'll be getting down either way haha
Agri farming Ireland what an ignorant comment. But funny at the same time, because someone from Ireland said it haha Ireland what a joke.
brian176 haha okay, good to know.
A lot of tractors have mirrors on the back window, so when open they allow you to see the hitch
Who the fuck puts lights, brakes and shit on a hay trailer? Y'all do that in Ireland because your overseers say you have to. Cuz "muh safety" mate. Fuck outta here with that pansy ass bullshit. America is the breadbasket of the fucking planet. Think of us next time you're shining your masters shoes.
Yeah 50K with a 22ton redrock see how it holds 😂
22ton redrock som jab
This quick hitched he’s praising her don’t look like they would support much weight
we dont have dolly trailers over here, we use the hook to lift trailers off the skids that they are parked up on. about a ton ,that guide would just bend back. good hitch for your implication tho.
Using the European/UK telescopic hitch is a skill, once you master it it’s easily as quick as the ‘agri speed hitch’ and what you do is extend the hitch out with the hook and lean out slightly and you can easily see the hook, practice makes perfect, also having the drawbar extended with the agri hitch, means it would be more likely to lift the tractor in the air with a heavy load, I really don’t like having the cord dangling around when all it has to do is catch a link arm and there goes your load down then hill 😂
Oliver Roberts also i doubt that it would stick our rigid trailers as they can be heavy to lift even with a short picup hitch
Oliver Roberts plus that little poxy stand would have to be changed on a ridged trailer to it would snap clean off and so would the rest of the hitch
Wtf are u talking about man john dear tractors and Cats are the best the hitch design doesn't matter. U should keep most attachments on not remove exchange do anything with it . If u can afford it otherwise its all just the same destroy the tractor
Oliver Roberts agreed, I am on the short side (5'6") but I can use it with ease
Oliver Roberts I’d want to be at it for years👍👍💪💪
We saw these at a farm show probably 12 years ago, set up an entire fleet of tractors and forage boxes, best decision we have ever made!!!
Just require everyone to install the safety pin before going on the road. 2 minutes job of putting in the pin could save you a bunch of money later if something was to happen.
Take someone like his dad who doesn't get around to easily anymore yeah 2 minutes. Take Tim or Wes then yeah be less than a minute and back in the can and rolling down the road.
BIlly the SMall Bong thorton from india shut up with your stupid comments on everybody honestly no one cares for your opinion or your bullshit so be a lamb and shut up.
Bryan Cole a safety pin is only a secondary safety item....one locked by the spring loaded hitch theres no Letting loose
But that thing needs to be detached when you use your 3-point hitch. And that can not take any load from the trailer to the tractor wheels. It's simply way too far back from the rear axle. We here use only trailers wich give two to three ton load on trackor wheels to increase traction. Way I see it that US is just stuck in the middle age just because you guys had to be so hard headed. If hydraulic hitch was invented in US, everyone would use it. But hay 20 years from now, you will hop on the train of progress with us ;-)
maybe he doesn't want to install it in the mud but the asphalt suits him fine.
I love that quick hitch and release action: so positive and secure.
But the main question that all the commenters are missing, surely, is: why on this green Earth did you go to the massive expense of buying and importing a British tractor to the USA?!? (And leave the original meaningless number plate on it! Do you intend to ship it back at sone point? Perhaps for a driving holiday?) Are our farm vehicles so popular over there that this is not a terribly unusual thing to do? What could be so good about our equipment that you would prefer it over stuff made in your own country? I am presuming that if you have what looked like two of our tractors then you'd also have some matching agri equipment/ attachments/ accessories...
For reasons I'm not entirely sure on, used European equipment is significantly cheaper than North American machinery at the moment.
hook is better of the two , but thats just me , depends on whats best for what your doing
Also it’s a lot of extra work putting on and taking off the quick hitch off the drawbar of the tractor when you need an implement for the link arms etc
It almost looks like that piece on the tractor should be on top of the tow bar ?
august you are right, because everyone I know that uses this hitch, has it on top of the drawbar. The only reason I think Wes put it on the bottom is maybe the drawbar might be too wide.
for what he's using it for(assuming only wagons) it should be fine but anything with tongue weight i'd think it should be on top
Thanks, I'm sure he's OK. Always fun watching !
he really should consider switching it around tho. the wagon side of the hitch has that little stand which seems like it sits pretty low when connected and could catch on something. with the tractor side of it on top of the draw bar he'd gain that little extra ground clearance. have a feeling he'll learn that the hard way soon enough
Bloody ripper mate!! Thanks for making this video. It’s one of the biggest things that pisses me off every day is hitching things up. I’m buying some for sure
What would you think of, instead of the cable release, a small hydraulic cylinder to operate to lock/release arm? Just plug into an SCV.
Byron Bielenberg KISS
How about a bowden cable like a bicycle brake? Less risk of it getting snagged on something and dumping your trailer, and you can route it and tie it up neatly
Worlds fastest hitch system.Allis-Chalmers had something somewhat similar back in the mid 1950's.I like it Wes,it helps keep the mud out of your cab.
4 gauge once again Allis Chalmers pioneered
RJ 1999 Yes they did,my neighbor had a D-17 diesel and a D-19 diesel with their quick-tach system.I thought it was pretty innovative.
We Have Hitch Cameras on all of our Tractors.
I'm in Ireland we use the pickup hitch and drawbar the hook is lightning quick just drop back up lift lock and go used it at silage and hauling diggers and dump trailers and the like the drawbar on your 7530 is slower with the fact that the pin has to be dropped in it is well able for the baler because most of the weight is on the axles it's just pulling it it is more than fit for it but it is more of a preference we think it's a great system but not everyone else has to
We don't use either of those hitches. AND WE'RE KEEPING IT THAT WAY!😐😅 I'm so sorry that I got myself into this discussion
Alex the Dutch Dairyfarmer nee gellukig niet idd hz slijtage as en gek met die dingen 😂
I'm dutch to, and we use rockinger hitches that the trucks have, it works also super fast
gewoon en zwaaihaak trekbek k80 kogel of zoals wij zelf gemaakte trekplaten die op de plek van de zwaai haak zitten zijn zwaarder gebouwt dan die zwaai haak van 8530😂
Laten we ook niet de remmen en de wegverlichting vergeten 😎
Alex, what's wrong with the hitch?
We use those hitches on our chopper boxes and grain wagons and they do work very well. My only real complaint is that the bolt and washer system to space the wagon hitch is kinda BS. The bolts always loosen up and it's difficult to get a wrench in the bolt head. Instead we welded steel spacers on the poll
They will still argue with you smh
I have been using this system for years pulling two 600 bushel wagons at a time. It works great and saves time.
Come on - the real weight unit is scrotums! 600 bushels are 5'000'00 scrotums, right?
Seems so strange that there are no brakes or lights to hook op
Most US trailer brakes are just surge brakes. When the tongue slides forward as the tractor slows down it activates the brakes on the trailer.
Most agricultural trailers/wagons over here do not have brakes on them.
Ah OK. Makes more sense having surge brakes compared to no brakes when towing a lot of heavy bales. What about lights then?
KoenH most ag trailers just run orange triangle "smv" signs, no lights required
KoenH it's a tractor no need for them as long as you have a slow moving vehicle emblem
I'm a great follower of your channel and always respect your point of view. I'm an Irish person, have driven tractors since I was six, now 40. I repair tractors for a living. The hydraulic pick up hitch non extendable is faultless. I've used it to pull 20 ton loads of wet heavy silage on single, double and tri axle trailers. This sort of system is ok, but shear strength is compromised.
Your lack of air tool oil is disturbing lol!
Typical farmer when it comes to oiling or greasing anything. The motto is, "When it is new, it doesn't need it and when it is old, it isn't worth it". Then start screaming poverty.
god good... sound like the absolute opposite of Norwegian farmers.
here it's like like "it's says add xx amount of oil\grease once a week, lets triple that and to it twice a week"
not unusual for tractors here to have an inch of hardened grease on top of the back axle after 10 year of use.
on the note its nice because nothing rusts stuck, downside is that you need to clean it to be able to repair anything...
That is what we called a pintle hook in the military. All of our support equipment used that design. Our system was all manual design.
It’s European bro
Very nice... only thing I could see as an improvement would be to install a spring loaded solenoid controlled safety "locking pin" that would automatically lock the coupler to ensure it couldn't accidentally uncouple if something got up there and tugged on the cable, or if the cable dropped down a bit and got tangled on a weed or limb or something... have it wired up to a doorbell (momentary) switch in the cab that you had to depress the button and yank on the cable to uncouple-- the momentary switch would energize the solenoid and pull the lock pin back, allowing the cable to then yank up on the lock to allow the trailer to uncouple...
If you wanted to keep it TOTALLY electronic-free, a cable-pulled spring-loaded safety lock pin could work, or better yet, just go to a push-pull type "choke cable" setup to pull the unlocking lever instead of the regular cable or rope to unlatch it... with the "choke" cable pushed in, it would push the lock lever down, with it pulled up, the lock lever would unlock... might need some sort of spring mechanism so that the lock lever can flip up when the trailer locks in, and slide up the cable against the spring to do that... with a stop on the cable end so when the cable is pulled it positively pulls the lock up to unhitch...
It looks like it works very much like a vertical version of a fifth wheel hitch on a semi truck... very clever.
Later! OL J R :)
You go down the road and pull that cord by accident, look out !
Those hitches are fantastic. Been using them for years. Definitely a good idea to use the safety pin out on the road.
Do you not have brakes and lights on your trailers?
Fergal Murphy they are not required in the US, you just need your hazarders (blinkers) on the tractor.
And a slow moving vehicle sign. (Orange triangle)
neb4x4 I forgot about the triangle
Fergal Murphy
You can do whatever you want on your own property. It's only once you use a public road that they can get you. (There's also a "farm use" exemption in most states, for slow-moving vehicles within a certain distance of the farm.)
bcubed72 it's same same here in Ireland, only when you go on a public road do we need tail lights, brake lights and indicators.
I'd suggest putting a snap lock and a closed eye. I can see that cable falling off and getting drug or caught under a wheel. That's a really slick hitch system.
The Euro comments are why we left, no other way to get to the moon or invent computers or the lightbulb, or the telephone,..... . I'm kidding!!!!
Who invented the first computer? phone?
Lol, it was german engineers who invented large rockets, a scotsman invented the phone, a british engineer invented the first computer and an italian the incandescent light bulb, but otherwise you're right!
lol, I knew I wouldn't be able to get him to actually research this stuff
Actually the first anologue computer is over 2000 years old and was built by the Greeks. It's called the Antikythera mechanism
We welded a bolt on the bottom of the leg on the wagon hitch it helped keep the wagons from costing
Your wagon gona come off wen you hit a bump in the road i bet you.cant wait for the vid on that lol,and look all that bale twine out in the rain lol
if the v is not wide enough you can take a piece of pipe and bolt it on through the provided hole, they do sell the extensions for things like a forage harvester where you can see very well.
Glad you called it united Kingdom and not Europe 😂 I would have Unsubscribed otherwise lol.... I'm British not European..... Great vid mate
Well UK = Europe =/= EU
Sorry for that...
and you are actually proud about this fact .....
Neil Roberts You are European. With or without brexit bullshit
Yeah your still European
Your living in uk in Europe son .....arrogant Brits you’re empire fell long time ago but when you leave Europe you have all that manufacturing to sell to India .......
What you need to understand is that most of the uk uses a closed field system meaning that we have hedges and trees and are fields are generally smaller. So we don't need to be pulling a 20m cultivator ( a random example) meaning we don't need to have a big and bulky of tractors and hitches. Also using the pick up hitch is a skill and once you have had some practice it's easily to use and very quick to use.
Maaate, I think that Bergman speed hitch is slick as sh*t. Have not seen this before in New Zealand What a genius idea. Will definitely be using this idea on the bale trailer when picking up pads of bales from the accumulator. Move the trailer, pick up bales, hook up and move the trailer, pick up more bales. Genius!! I wonder how much weight the pick up at the tong can bear before it bends and won't pick up the trailer? Meh... I'll just modify it when that happens. Thanks onelonelyfarmer great channel mate.
That hitch sticks out a long way from the rear of the tractor, it'd interfere with the implements that we use on the 3pt linkage.
Im Irish and all i got to say is our style of pickup hitch isn't as good as the european style hitch.
Bought a new holland in from Holland last year and it had the euro hitch on it and all i got to say it was a right good strong capacity Drawbar no hook just a drawbar. Only issue with it was it was very hard to work with tankers and trailers as hitch wouldnt go down..
That looks fine for a trailer with a turntable on but here in Ireland 🇮🇪 we use draw bar trailer and that hitch is back away too far from tractor a 3 axel low loader would rip that right off 🙈
It really is just preference to either or. Working here in Scotland at my uncles farm, we use the hook for most of our implements and it’s just the case of getting used to knowing the tractor where the hook aligns. Purely trail and error till it becomes second natures. Got to admit though that hitch is pretty rapid👍🏼.
That hitch is identical to the one on my 1983 Case 1193! They are rated up to vertical weight of 4 tons max! I have to put a specialized hydraulic cylinder and custom attach it to the hitch then draw the baler onto the hitch before putting a cross-bar support across the three point and making sure that all three hydro points are simultaneously supporting the weight... the dealer put uses for these things into the manual that never were intended..then the salesman gets creative with that and ‘predicts’ what he (who has never used a tractor for any use ever) how it will perform for you!
the UK Pick Up Hitch works well but is a pain to see on older tractors where it doesnt extend out. the Benefit is it brings the weight nice and close to the axle for good traction.
Im not familiar with JD hitches but it looks like youve got half of the clevis hitch there? Clevis hitch is for the lighter weight stuff and the pick up hitch "hook" is for mid range weight stuff... really heavy stuff has a ball and cup hitch.
There is a simple solution for this, it's called a wideview mirror. You can see the whole back from wheel to wheel, so no need to lean out.
That is the bees knees man, Maybe change the standard cable for a hand brake stye cable or sleeve it in bent tubing to couture the back of the tractor. Fit a spring to tension it down all the time . Also where you hitch it and unhitch it may be worth having a dip or mounts to act as drive over wheel chocks.
@onelonleyfarmer we have these on our grain wagons for harvest on the farm here in Minnesota, but instead of the rope we have a spring loaded system with two different small hydraulic cylinders as a double redundant system so it WILL NOT come unhooked. They save a ton of time!
Here in Finland I use on our Fords the European type hitch and I pull loads up to 20tons and it works very good and the agri hitch would not work with our trailers that have onely one axle and 3/4 of the load is on the hitch.
That hitch is the shit!
I really appreciate that you took the time to show us the best thing since sliced bread!
Wes, you are talking about the strength of hitches, but now you are pulling on only the top plate of the wagons drawbar, basically reducing its capacity by 50%.
The British/Scandinavian pickup hitch with the hook has a 3 ton, 6600 lbs vertical rating, and usually 35 tons rating for pull.
That Bergman hitch sure is fast, but it also sticks out a mile, is very close to the ground, and you still need to go out and attach the safety pin. I wouldn't run it on the road without a pin as it sure is easy to drop the trailer. And with no brakes on the wagons.
The good things with trailers and not wagons, is they transfer weight to the tractor, usually 2-3 tons. And if ever a hitch were to break, the drawbar would hit the ground and stop the trailer.
So a few things- I'm from Ireland, and we are irish and European. The hitch is a brilliant design but would not be aloud on the public roads. Mostly because if the cable got pulled the trailer would become detached from the tractor too easily. Next the front dolly in your trailer ( axel and front wheels ) also illegal to have on public roads in Ireland. For those reasons our trailers wouldn't suit those hitches as there is unsupported weight on the hitch .in Ireland it's the weight of the trailer that keeps the hitch on the tractors rear wheels and adds to traction.
Wes, I think I saw the Speedhitch way back when as well at Farm Progress Days. I too wanted my dad to get these for us. We had 6 forage wagons (20' long) and while I was chopping, my mom & sister each had a tractor hauling wagons back & forth between field & farm and my dad would have his unloading tractor. Can you imagine how many times we all climbed up & down from the tractor to hook up wagons all day?!?!?
I cant imagine the tractor being more affordable than a new us model with shipping across the big pond
EastxTim maybe the EU model is open source software?
Smart
EastxTim and it's much higher spec
I think the UK/Ireland hitch is much neater compact type of hitch. With the hitch OLF is demonstration, There’s a lot extra bits bolted on to tractor and machine and it’s all stuff to wear and come loose. As for weight, I’ve pulled 44000+ pounds on those euro hitches. No problems.
Some of the tractors over in the UK have mirrors on the rear window so you can see the hitch with the window open. Valtra definitely do which makes life much easier!
So this is speed pintle and lunette hook system the military has been using for years. Nice fast hookup that will get you to good ground to pin it for the road. The old 3 point with draw bar was not faster than anything other than what it replaced.
It's horses for courses! I use the UK ring hitch with great success you only need to reset tractor linkage once you start the engine . On my gently sloping fields your trailer would be gone if not putting some means of holding it
My drawbar resting on the ground holds trailer on most places I need to load bales I have to get of anyway to connect the braking line and lighting cable so can release the hand brake at the same time in necessary your hitch looks very strong but is a long way out . Why not try the ring hitch that came with the tractor and weld a ring to the trailer ? . Cost about £25 regards dave
Wes, this is one of your best videos in a long time. I didn't skip any of it! Your Dad will most assuredly love the ease of that hitch!
You could have skipped a few mins of the air gun 😂
Wish my grandpa had that back in the '60's !!!!!! It would have saved him and ME a lot of up and down time from the tractor. GREAT ADDITION.
Now fit the hook that is on your tractor . pick up the trailer in seconds in a few days you could do it in the dark! Cost nothing as it's already fitted and so much more stable at speed regards from uk
An auto-latching pintle hook! Nice 👍. The only drawback for your tractor is the 300mm or so added length on the drawbar will reduce it's vertical load carrying capacity.
I've read many of the comments and there is something that many have evidently not observed. That is that this particular hitch is more suited for unhitching and hitching wagons like the one he demonstrated with. The other hitch (never used one probably never will ) appears to be for heavy drawbar work. Did anyone else have someone in their life them to use the right tool for the job? Different tools have different jobs and ways of using them. One isn't inferior or superior to the other they just have different purposes. Some are more specialized than others and some more generalized. All it comes down to is does it serve its purpose.
Used something very similar to this about 20 years ago and made chopping hay so much nicer. You will LOVE it!
I have used them before they are awesome for chopping. I do know some people who have welded pipes for extensions on tractor mounted part of it to make it easier to hook up. It’s especially nice with the extension on a hitch mounted on the pull type chopper
That is very slick. Hope they get plenty of sales from this video.
That's a awesome product, one thing Wes, shouldn't the coupling be on top of the drawbar not supported by the bolts, I was always taught to use the base metal to support the load and use fittings to control movement, Cheers Dom
it wont fit any other way and it carries no weight other than the tongue