I remember when you got that mower. remember the game you made up with that new holand mower when the hub broke and the game consistent of buying that mower. lol. never really thought why i didn't like the metrics till you mentioned it and now I realize why I don't either. I can tell the difference between a 1/2 bolts and 9/16 but 5/8 and 16 mm I can't tell the difference. all it is to me is guess a socket game. fake it till you make it. and it's not bitching either, i think thats all of us want, it just needs to work, God love you guys and God bless your families
Wes I'm with you on the mower parts being expensive. They have really gotten out of hand on the price. A box of blades is absolutely insane. It's bad enough I dug though my scrap bin and sharpened up some old ones to make a set. It wasn't many years ago I would just replace blades because I liked the way it cut with new ones. Now I run them till they are nubs!
I'll agree on the metric fasteners. It makes absolutely no sense to have that many thread pitches for certain size bolts or even hex sizes at that. No matter how many metric bolts I have in stock, I never seem to have the right one and it drives me nuts. SAE or Imperial sizes are very simple to stock in my bolt bins because it's coarse and fine thread and usually from 1/4" up to 1" is what I stock, which is fine of course. What really gets my goat is the mixture of fasteners that is on everything. I end up with every single wrench and socket out of the toolbox to change one little part which absolutely gets me torqued up. This whole screwy deal is freaking nuts.
Thats a US problem. In Europe we stick to the DIN standard either coarse or fine, we didnt ask for an ISO standard, America did. And when they didnt put their money where their mouth was, we went back to DIN.
When I was a teenager I spent hours trying to figure out why the blades were touching. Exactly what you show in this video. I didn’t know another person had hit a rock HARD with it. I finally gave up and called a friend. That was the day I learned about shock hubs. lol
That's a bit of a fallacy. Over 90% of farms are family owned operations. As families expand, the farms have to expand, often by buying from people who don't have another generation that is interested in the farm. Because of tax and legal terms, they may Inc or LLC to cover transitions and liabilities. Yes, it's great that he continues farming, but if he doesn't have any kids interested in the farm, selling is inevitable. Hopefully to another farmer, or family, and not a developer.
Metric is not so bad, only the machine manufacturers like to screw up by changing the head size because weight reduction (and there was something with a new DIN size system). And the fine tread is only on high tension situations, mostly in combination with 10.9 or 12.9 grade. Outside dimension is M size, tread size changes every M size. Mostly you need spanner size 10 (M6), 13(M8), 17(M10), 19(M12), (22(M14)), 24(M16), (27(M18)), 30(M20), 32(M22), 36(M24).
17mm and 19mm spanners, for M10 and M12 are a British standard. In Europe the same metric bolt sizes require 16mm and 18mm spanners. Increasingly these euro head sizes are creeping in to the UK on European made machines and cars. Bit of a pain when you're a maintenance engineer having to carry to full sets of everything with you.
@@jonathanwalker7638 M10 is 17 and M12 is 19mm spanners, in the DIN system. ISO is 16 and 18mm. Just trow the ISO system out of the door and have it easy. Have had the experience with a Volvo wheelloader, every bolt and nut had different sizes, just to save on spanners.
Hi from oz wes. Its been fifty years since we went metric when i was 15. Still learning it. Just to let you know nyloc nuts are bigger than metal for the same thread. Thats why the knive blade nuts are 18 mm. Also the number on the head is the grade of high tensile bolt and there are about 5 grades of bolt.
@@onelonleyfarmer dont quote me but 17mm and 19mm spanners for M10 and M12 bolt heads are a British standard. In Europe the same metric bolt sizes require 16mm and 18mm spanners (Din standard I think). You see it a lot on European made cars too. Increasingly these 16 and 18mm sizes are creeping in to the UK on European made machines. Bit of a pain when you're a maintenance engineer having to carry full sets of everything with you.
German Farmer here. The reason for the different head sizes is because its a transition to a different standardisation. Most of it used to be DIN (Deutsche Industrie Norm = German industry norm) and the new one is ISO (International Organisation for standardisation). M12 Screw DIN = 19mm wrench size, ISO = 18mm
in Germany we see hardly any other Screws than the DIN. So Wrench size is most of the time 13-15-17-19 etc. Only the damn Screws for the mower blades are 18mm wide...
As a metric fan I have to agree with you Wes about how annoying having different nut sizes for the same thread. It’s machine manufacturers that complicate it. In Ireland if you go to a bolt supplier a M12 will always take a 19mm nut.
soviets did this right. their stuff had only 6,8,10,12,14,17,19,22,24,27,30,32,36 mm nuts and bolts. Rarely something inbetveen. But its not metric systems fault, it's lack of regulation.
For small projects, I often used UNC and UNF bolts. Sometimes the UNC/ UNF bolts were obtained from engineering shop closures. UNC where thread strength was important and UNF for the bolt lengths available to fit where required. Black Book's Fastener & Engineers small guide books are fairly useful. John Deere - bolt (hexagonal head flanged screw) for bearing housing M12 x25, central bolt for hub M16 x45, bolt for disc M12 x20. (JD online catalogue has no information on grade and thread pitch) Perhaps Sandy Munro needs to start pulling farm machinery apart as well as cars & pickups to see how they are made & what they are made of?
I’m going to add to your rant. Metric for the M12 I think has 5 different thread pitches starting at 1.0 (super fine) all the way up to 2.0. What always gets me is I forget the pitch is the distance between the threads not the count like imperial threading. Imperial lower number is more coarse, where metrics larger number is more coarse.
It does happen occasionally where there is a different hex size on "an" S.A.E. bolt, but it is pretty rare, Usually it is for a specific application on a specific machine...
@@onelonleyfarmeryoure a joke. The Metric system in America is f'ed up because you guys wanted metric in the 60s but not the German DIN standard. So you guys came up with the ISO metric standard, with each bolt having a different wrench size. Because the USA didnt put their money where their mouth was, Europe soon went back to DIN standard. And whether you like it or not, Europe sets the standard in engineering. Apart from Cummins, every truck engine in the USA is engineered in Europe in Metric. John Deere is Metric. Caterpillar is Metric. NASA is metric.... Whatever problem you have with metric, is because Americans fucked up by not adopting the DIN standard. And we wont do it another time, next time you guys can just adopt DIN standards or stay in the dark ages !
Im from UK and have grown up with imperial and metric sizes. Old ferguson stuff all seems imperial. Peugeot cars seem hellish for mix head sizes, 16mm, 15mm, 14mm for suspension and then 17mm for wheel bolts. You need the whole set out just to do a job. I struggle with Fahrenheit but get Celsius. Use mph but struggle with km/h 😂 Dont forget pipe sizes like bspp, npt, bspt and then theres hydraulics…jic, bsp, sae, jis
As a UK person I see your pain. However, most metric fasteners over here are standardised so 10,13,17,19,24 will do most nuts and bolts. Similar with Allen head bolts but now someones decided torx heads are the way to go, even on woodscrews. Another trip to the tool shop in the offing.
Didn’t you throw a whole cutter bar in the case at one point? I run a 2013 Massey WR9760 good machine, have had its issues but nothing major in 4 years. Engine and main drive pump failed back to back in 19, but was operator and maintenance problems. Had a new cutter bar put in as well in 19. Now I’m looking at putting another one in, about 4000-4500 acres on it and she’s worn right out. Tons of movement. I’ve torn the whole thing down every winter do too seals leaking and that’s getting old. New bar will help for a year or two. But we’ve been looking for a new to us machine, been looking at the macdons and new Massey. Haven’t considered Deere at all. Curious on maintenance your deeres needed over the years? Probably less then our Massey. Massey has 2300hrs
Metric is a devious way to make use buy more tools and other hardware to keep going! I first heard of it when Jimmy Carter was president. We have had to deal with it ever since.... Only friggin thing I know is that 454 grams is a pound. I only know that because I like the Chevy 454 motor! A big block is a pound....🤣
I’m trying to explain my hay operation and try and get away form all fescue so can weight to see how you plant yours so maybe I can lien a little more on it but any way what baler twine do you run in the small baler
It's just whatever we're used to. It's been metric around here all my life, yet is still convert combine headers to feet, because for some reason that's what they've been refered to throughout my youth.
Hey Wes have you considered getting a triple mower setup on your 7530? I cant remember if it has a pto upfront? Ive seen triple mowers fly cutting thick hay.
I bought a Deere 4995 with a 994 head last spring. Best dang thing I ever did. I’ve been buying my blades and parts from Deere but is there an aftermarket option for blades turtles hubs etc for the 994 head. I just spent the same for blades bolts and the bolt protectors on the end of the turtles. Surely there is a cheaper better alternative
I use metric and imperial or standard as you call it. Just say an M 12 fastener. Depends on what it's used for dictates head size. Grade 4.6 will be 18mm AF. (across flats) 8.8 usually 18, 10.9 either 18 or 19, stainless usually 19, purlin bolts flanged and 18 AF. Now if it automotive it may be 17AF. John Deere are the problem, not metric system. They could have chosen to make all the heads the same. Available off the shelf.
I remember when "disc moco's" first came about, I'm getting old. LOL I'll say this about metric and imperial (SAE), both have their uses. In many ways, metric is far superior but, one has to remember, it's what works for you and everyone is different. To be fair, metric is easier to work with, it's just taking the time to understand the metric system. Don't worry about not understanding the different size of bolt/nut sizes, it does get confusing but, I believe it's like our "bolt grade", different grade, it gets a different size of head, I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong on that. Honestly, that's never bothered me using metric bolts, just grab the right size an go. :P Just curious, how do you deal with any broken bales you may encounter with the big square bales? I've only worked with round and the small square bales, (idiot blocks as most of us call 'em). Also, any plans on trading that old Case windrower in for another JD MoCo? As always, great video, cheers :)
I agree. The metric system is so much better. The problem is we now have a split system. I have had vehicles that have some stuff metric and some stuff standard........ We need to just totally switch over.
its very fine that you talk about metric that way , but i really dont know what you talk about ...... i live in europe and i never had these problems you talk about
Have to say, i am pretty impressed over your mechanic skills, but i'm suprised you dont understand why the head on those bolts are different, because it has nothing to do with metric or not, its a strength and wear thing, im sure this is in your standard system also. Like the 17mm head on the 12mm bolt, is so you dont get so much wear on the head of the bolt, also it wont grab the gras that easy. The 12mm bolt with the 19mm head is the cheapest bolt you can get in metric, it is just a regular M12 with coarse threads. Normaly i see only fine and coarse metric threads, but once a deacade i stumble over something with extra fine threads. I feel the same about your imperial, i think its stupid, makes no sense to me 😂 love your vids wes, keep em coming 🇧🇻🇧🇻🇧🇻
As a European this is how i complain about the Imperial systeem. LoL The staps of 10 in the metric systeem is when you go from cm to mm ect. We do not use fractions. About the bolts , thos are different din of iso bolts. So different design, and different head. Thats why you needed a different socket.
@@onelonleyfarmer Yes and no, we don't write them down as fractions. Just normal numbers. So the fraction 3/4 is written as 0.75 mm and so on. When talking about it we say 0.75 not 3/4. (Oke pipes are a different story XD ) Normal metric tape measure is in cm. 1 cm = 10 mm. But you cannot measure lower than 1 mm, then you need a caliper to measure after the decimal point.
I thought all deere dealers use the same price on parts? I just paid $875 for 5 shear hubs, 2 boxes of knifes, and 10 nut protectors. . .What was the hub price at your dealer?
What's funny is you left out 1.75 metric "real coarse" lol. I feel your pain though. It's bs.... Especially when switching brands of equipment and vehicles for that matter.
Studs for top of turtle are a m12 bolt that takes a 18 mm wrench or socket……your bolts are wore out that’s why they take a 17mm socket…. And a 7/16” inch bolt has a 5/8” head and the nut is 11/16”…. Some bolt manufacturers will have a 19 mm head on a m12 but never a 17mm head again your cap screws that hold the title on are wore out
no they are not worn out its a fucking 17! I won't argue with you because Metric is shit. twist them off strip them out wrong fucking thread wrong size that looks likes the right size but its not because they suck.
@@onelonleyfarmer they are wore out, but some new ones and tell me what size they are…A bolt being metric has nothing to do with the hardness of the steel or the strength of the material that the bolt is made out of…. What do you think that they only make metric bolts at third world countries. Standard bolts are made right along side metric bolts
Change out all the bolts so that 18mm will fit everything. As you service the machine just change them all eventually to 18 mm bolts. I know it would be an expensive ordeal but eventually have everything the same size.
I use metric and imperial it’s simple.But I hate 18mm because we hardly ever see it and to the eye it looks like 19.First time I change the blades on a John Deere mower I used to change the nuts to 19 as it’s still a M12 thread and your3/4 socket fits it.
I'm from England, Wes, and everybody here does NOT love metric !! There are plenty of us whose schooling pre dates metric and we kept on using BSW,BSF,BA,AF and whatever else you put vehicles together with, for years after they forced metric on us ! Our toolboxes are eclectic and weird but theres always something that will fit, plus all that metric crap.
Mr metric doesn't make the bolts.... Mr Deere makes the bolts.... the problem you're having isn't the measurement.... it's why Deere used different size..... Deere do that just to piss you off.... 😂
Normal DIN standard bolts/nurs use ONLY wrench 19mm. ANSI M12 however, uses 18mm, for the same M12 thread/pitch... go figure. 17mm is never used for m12, you clearly have some mixing of standards going on there wesley
@kingofhearts3703 I'm mixed up.... really?.... it's strange... all my 1/2 and 5/8 and imperial spanner sizes fit the 1/2 and 5/8 and according size. All my metric spanners fit all my metric bolts.... Nice and tight..... If the manufacturer uses imperial bowls... I use imperial spanners.... if the manufacturer uses metric bolts... I use metric spanners..... if the manufacturer uses Whitworth threads..... I"m going to use the correct bolt thread.... if the manufacturer uses UNF...... I"m going to use the according bolts......maybe the manufacturer wants to pass you off.... but maybe the manufacturer uses a different thread for a good reason...... oh I don't know.... maybe they want to keep a bolt tight... a correct torque..... but easier to remove..... you noticed Apple smartphone headphone port... is not standard...... Apple do that to make more money..... it would piss me off.... it doesn't... I just don't use apple products..... It's not the first American discussions to metric and imperial..... as far I"m concern.... It's just a measurement.... and it doesn't get me wound up....
@kingofhearts3703 just to blow your mind and piss you off.... do you know who and why the metric system was created?...... in 1795... or around that..... by the Jesuits.... just like they created the current calendar.... and the current english language..... and they created it for world unification.... global governance.... to control the world..... of course... Trump is a jesuit..... just like Biden is a jesuit..... both playing their part in the show in America just now.... divide and rule..... I bet that will piss off Westley 🤣.... the current Pope is Pope Francis.... the first jesuit Pope..... France..... Francis..... and the Jesuits were formed in France 1534..... If the plan works... Westley will have to use the metric system... 😀
@@dphillips705 ah yeah I remember videos on this channel from a LONG time ago. I just didn’t realize I’d been watching Wes for well over a decade now. Gosh. That’s crazy.
@@dphillips705 I still laugh at the “clicky camera” debacle, when I think about it. I think one of the only times I’ve seen Wes on the verge of choking viewers through the screen is when trolls were going after the “import lady”. I think the trolls used a worse word than “lady” but man was he really fired up over that. Honestly she’s an awesome woman and deserves no hate. She works hard too. Glad those two got together. 💪 but yeah man time sure has flown by. Gosh.
my uncle work for an aircraft co. .he said a major tool co. came to the aircraft co. and suplied all the bolt and tools to install then on a petaclar part just to sell tool to mech.
metric has too much variety tbf. Bolt sizes in imperial have main sizes but metric gives you every size you could ask for but is it necessary not really
24:00 Oddball Metric parts ... It's not just metric. What the problem is poor error proofing of the design parts. Either they need to be made so they are obviously different to the casual observer or exactly the same (even if that means using a common but slightly larger bolt at more cost for light duty locations in that assembly because in the long run it actually saves costs). Great engineering teams understand this, the catalog teams don't. If those hubs went on without a special diagram, the last mechanic wouldn't have clocked them off location and you'd not have this repair today.
Isn't bit the netic system that's bad. It's the engineer that works for the place that manufactured the bolts. If there bolts are different you have to buy the bolts from. them
I'll stick with my NH 1409. Every bolt on the cutter bar is 3/4 except for the bolt for the hub it 5/8 12 point. Even knowing the procedure its not that hard to end up with the timing off. A few weeks ago i had to replace a broken internal shafts that connect the modules. After getting it back together and running it I had blades hitting. Ended up I was off one tooth on one of the hubs. Once I got it adjusted right it's been running fine ever since.
Americans ranting about metric is absolutely fantastic, never reading information about it, just going by anger.. To be honest i rant about standard threads, but google is my friend if i have a problem
Yeah I don't really like metric. And about the M12 shinanigan, we have the exact same delima with the size 7/16 bolt. Yeah. I don't know why the H they had to put a 5/8 head with a 11/16 nut. And the same kind of "inginious bug" happens on a size 1-3/8 bolt (can't get the head-size and nut-size from memory right now sorry)
So on the metic system. a m8 is 13mm. a m10 is 17mm. a m12 is 19mm. you say that's not true.. and you are right... Machinery manufactures have figured out that if they use a 16mm head instead of 17mm head on the bolt. slightly smaller but also slightly cheaper. times that with a few million bolts. and the manufactures has a saves money nobody else does that, only agricultural machinery manufactures are so cheap that they decide to mess with a working system
I had a teacher way back in the sixties say metric was better than what we used. I thought he was full of shit then and today I still think he was full of shit. I agree just yesterday I broke a bolt and it took a 13 mm wrench, the other two that held on what I was taking off was the same. I could only find a bolt to replace it in my hoard that had a 10 mm head on it. Yeah really makes sense to me.
The turtles head is showing,,,I'm touching cloth,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,These are both Irish sayings to indicate that your about to take a shite,,,,,,Please feel free to use them wherever you are,,,,,,,Spreading diverse sayings since 1993....
I laughed so much of that bitching and moaning about the metric system.. 😂😂 That is what it sounds when i have to do something with imperials.. only 100 more swearwords and flying tools 🤣 I hate it so much! 😅 Its only what you are used, metric is superior in everyway imperials are just from 1500 century relics what some people are just too stubborn to leave behind 🤭 It works for u guys who have it in mothers milk but the rest of the world with metric are smirking shugging heads.. 😂 Though the one thing you are right there are sometimes 16-17-18 size of wrench on same bolts and i dont like that either. 16-18 is stupid. Other than that its all fine. 10, 13, 17, 19, 24 and of you go.✌️😊 Btw. We who are used to metric can say what it is, 15 or 16 or 17 just by looking at it, i know i at least i can.. 😉 With imperials its, 11,94746 stones and few sticks and rocks no-one can say, and eventually you grind the MF with nut-lathe or pipewrenches or just torch it of. 😂
Also, over there its JD that fucks it up with them different bolts same place. In here we curse JD from the same stuff. It like they kinda use the metric, but fumble it to shit half way, they think imperial while use metric and it goes to shit. Look machine like Claas or EU machine in general, its only one type, do not have to do that. Also, forget about the grade, there is very few 10.9 in specific places, easy to replace with same, other that that its all 8.8. So try to forget about that it just confuse you more and for nothing. And threads are the same, very rare to find fine on some specific places, rest are the same. This comes from metric user, never have these problems you have. Sure its also that its rare stuff for you U have used to the sticks and stones 😉🤭😅
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Hard to think I’ve been watching Wes for 14+ years on TH-cam time flies!
I remember when you got that mower. remember the game you made up with that new holand mower when the hub broke and the game consistent of buying that mower. lol. never really thought why i didn't like the metrics till you mentioned it and now I realize why I don't either. I can tell the difference between a 1/2 bolts and 9/16 but 5/8 and 16 mm I can't tell the difference. all it is to me is guess a socket game. fake it till you make it. and it's not bitching either, i think thats all of us want, it just needs to work, God love you guys and God bless your families
Wes I'm with you on the mower parts being expensive. They have really gotten out of hand on the price. A box of blades is absolutely insane. It's bad enough I dug though my scrap bin and sharpened up some old ones to make a set. It wasn't many years ago I would just replace blades because I liked the way it cut with new ones. Now I run them till they are nubs!
Wes we all know your favourite mower was the no rower 240 😂
I forgot about the wheel of misfortune
Entertainment for hours
The no rower for the no mower
I'll agree on the metric fasteners. It makes absolutely no sense to have that many thread pitches for certain size bolts or even hex sizes at that. No matter how many metric bolts I have in stock, I never seem to have the right one and it drives me nuts. SAE or Imperial sizes are very simple to stock in my bolt bins because it's coarse and fine thread and usually from 1/4" up to 1" is what I stock, which is fine of course. What really gets my goat is the mixture of fasteners that is on everything. I end up with every single wrench and socket out of the toolbox to change one little part which absolutely gets me torqued up. This whole screwy deal is freaking nuts.
Thats a US problem. In Europe we stick to the DIN standard either coarse or fine, we didnt ask for an ISO standard, America did. And when they didnt put their money where their mouth was, we went back to DIN.
When I was a teenager I spent hours trying to figure out why the blades were touching. Exactly what you show in this video. I didn’t know another person had hit a rock HARD with it. I finally gave up and called a friend. That was the day I learned about shock hubs. lol
glad to see small farmers still going and not being bought out
That's a bit of a fallacy. Over 90% of farms are family owned operations. As families expand, the farms have to expand, often by buying from people who don't have another generation that is interested in the farm. Because of tax and legal terms, they may Inc or LLC to cover transitions and liabilities. Yes, it's great that he continues farming, but if he doesn't have any kids interested in the farm, selling is inevitable. Hopefully to another farmer, or family, and not a developer.
Metric is not so bad, only the machine manufacturers like to screw up by changing the head size because weight reduction (and there was something with a new DIN size system). And the fine tread is only on high tension situations, mostly in combination with 10.9 or 12.9 grade. Outside dimension is M size, tread size changes every M size. Mostly you need spanner size 10 (M6), 13(M8), 17(M10), 19(M12), (22(M14)), 24(M16), (27(M18)), 30(M20), 32(M22), 36(M24).
17mm and 19mm spanners, for M10 and M12 are a British standard. In Europe the same metric bolt sizes require 16mm and 18mm spanners. Increasingly these euro head sizes are creeping in to the UK on European made machines and cars. Bit of a pain when you're a maintenance engineer having to carry to full sets of everything with you.
@@jonathanwalker7638 M10 is 17 and M12 is 19mm spanners, in the DIN system. ISO is 16 and 18mm.
Just trow the ISO system out of the door and have it easy.
Have had the experience with a Volvo wheelloader, every bolt and nut had different sizes, just to save on spanners.
My damn 6,10,13,17 and 19 always go missing,Same with 30mm spanners we used two podgers usually for that
Hi from oz wes. Its been fifty years since we went metric when i was 15. Still learning it. Just to let you know nyloc nuts are bigger than metal for the same thread. Thats why the knive blade nuts are 18 mm. Also the number on the head is the grade of high tensile bolt and there are about 5 grades of bolt.
48 different ways to fuck up a mans day.
they are not nylock.
@@onelonleyfarmer dont quote me but 17mm and 19mm spanners for M10 and M12 bolt heads are a British standard. In Europe the same metric bolt sizes require 16mm and 18mm spanners (Din standard I think). You see it a lot on European made cars too. Increasingly these 16 and 18mm sizes are creeping in to the UK on European made machines. Bit of a pain when you're a maintenance engineer having to carry full sets of everything with you.
German Farmer here. The reason for the different head sizes is because its a transition to a different standardisation. Most of it used to be DIN (Deutsche Industrie Norm = German industry norm) and the new one is ISO (International Organisation for standardisation).
M12 Screw DIN = 19mm wrench size, ISO = 18mm
in Germany we see hardly any other Screws than the DIN. So Wrench size is most of the time 13-15-17-19 etc. Only the damn Screws for the mower blades are 18mm wide...
Every time I see a new video, it's a treat!
As a metric fan I have to agree with you Wes about how annoying having different nut sizes for the same thread. It’s machine manufacturers that complicate it. In Ireland if you go to a bolt supplier a M12 will always take a 19mm nut.
soviets did this right. their stuff had only 6,8,10,12,14,17,19,22,24,27,30,32,36 mm nuts and bolts. Rarely something inbetveen. But its not metric systems fault, it's lack of regulation.
Love your videos, so refreshingly genuine and honest, don't ever change..
For small projects, I often used UNC and UNF bolts. Sometimes the UNC/ UNF bolts were obtained from engineering shop closures. UNC where thread strength was important and UNF for the bolt lengths available to fit where required. Black Book's Fastener & Engineers small guide books are fairly useful. John Deere - bolt (hexagonal head flanged screw) for bearing housing M12 x25, central bolt for hub M16 x45, bolt for disc M12 x20. (JD online catalogue has no information on grade and thread pitch) Perhaps Sandy Munro needs to start pulling farm machinery apart as well as cars & pickups to see how they are made & what they are made of?
You know Wes is talking when you hear my two favorites. Ass-ache and life will be good.
Well glad I just watched the whole video waiting to see the tractor tipped over
I’m going to add to your rant. Metric for the M12 I think has 5 different thread pitches starting at 1.0 (super fine) all the way up to 2.0.
What always gets me is I forget the pitch is the distance between the threads not the count like imperial threading. Imperial lower number is more coarse, where metrics larger number is more coarse.
It does happen occasionally where there is a different hex size on "an" S.A.E. bolt, but it is pretty rare, Usually it is for a specific application on a specific machine...
Geez Wes that was a hell of a rant, you could beat Lord Muck in a rant off 😅
I don't know he is pretty good at ranting. he does it with class and style plus the accent makes it all worth watching.
@@onelonleyfarmeryoure a joke. The Metric system in America is f'ed up because you guys wanted metric in the 60s but not the German DIN standard. So you guys came up with the ISO metric standard, with each bolt having a different wrench size. Because the USA didnt put their money where their mouth was, Europe soon went back to DIN standard. And whether you like it or not, Europe sets the standard in engineering. Apart from Cummins, every truck engine in the USA is engineered in Europe in Metric. John Deere is Metric. Caterpillar is Metric. NASA is metric....
Whatever problem you have with metric, is because Americans fucked up by not adopting the DIN standard. And we wont do it another time, next time you guys can just adopt DIN standards or stay in the dark ages !
I remember when the 4960 burnt, keep up the great videos Wes
Im from UK and have grown up with imperial and metric sizes. Old ferguson stuff all seems imperial. Peugeot cars seem hellish for mix head sizes, 16mm, 15mm, 14mm for suspension and then 17mm for wheel bolts. You need the whole set out just to do a job.
I struggle with Fahrenheit but get Celsius. Use mph but struggle with km/h 😂
Dont forget pipe sizes like bspp, npt, bspt and then theres hydraulics…jic, bsp, sae, jis
Wes would make a great ag mechanics teacher.
Here's my nasty comment Wes. Hopefully your corn and beans are good this year. I'm looking forward to the harvest videos.
you should buy a rowmower again, those were the best series of videos ever!!! LOL
Lmfaoooo I agree with ya on metric, it’s the same with metric machines, size jumps everywhere so I’m constantly using the mic 🙉😩
As a UK person I see your pain. However, most metric fasteners over here are standardised so 10,13,17,19,24 will do most nuts and bolts. Similar with Allen head bolts but now someones decided torx heads are the way to go, even on woodscrews. Another trip to the tool shop in the offing.
Great lesson in hubology Wes. Thanks for sharing!
Didn’t you throw a whole cutter bar in the case at one point? I run a 2013 Massey WR9760 good machine, have had its issues but nothing major in 4 years. Engine and main drive pump failed back to back in 19, but was operator and maintenance problems. Had a new cutter bar put in as well in 19. Now I’m looking at putting another one in, about 4000-4500 acres on it and she’s worn right out. Tons of movement. I’ve torn the whole thing down every winter do too seals leaking and that’s getting old. New bar will help for a year or two. But we’ve been looking for a new to us machine, been looking at the macdons and new Massey. Haven’t considered Deere at all. Curious on maintenance your deeres needed over the years? Probably less then our Massey. Massey has 2300hrs
Also gotta enjoy the Massey hubs will just shear the shaft before breaking the gears inside. Unless you hit a conveniently passed pile of rocks…
Deere has been the best and most reliable.
I like both systems...but temperature the best...Fahrenheit is so out to lunch
Your conditioner tines bushings and bolts are worn and a some split. The turtle discs can also be rotated from left to right to balance out wear.
Metric is a devious way to make use buy more tools and other hardware to keep going! I first heard of it when Jimmy Carter was president. We have had to deal with it ever since.... Only friggin thing I know is that 454 grams is a pound. I only know that because I like the Chevy 454 motor! A big block is a pound....🤣
I’m trying to explain my hay operation and try and get away form all fescue so can weight to see how you plant yours so maybe I can lien a little more on it but any way what baler twine do you run in the small baler
I like metric for wrenches and sockets. Not so much for distance measuring and fluid volumes. (I prefer feet, yards, miles, quarts and gallons.)
where do you find metric ratchet??? i can only find 3/8 or 1/2 in
It's just whatever we're used to. It's been metric around here all my life, yet is still convert combine headers to feet, because for some reason that's what they've been refered to throughout my youth.
@@karlsborgwi.jewell9919 I didn't say anything about ratchets. I said Wrenches and Sockets.
Metric is great maybe John Deere should have used the same bolts. O well enjoyed your video Wes have a great day.
Hey Wes have you considered getting a triple mower setup on your 7530? I cant remember if it has a pto upfront? Ive seen triple mowers fly cutting thick hay.
I bought a Deere 4995 with a 994 head last spring. Best dang thing I ever did. I’ve been buying my blades and parts from Deere but is there an aftermarket option for blades turtles hubs etc for the 994 head. I just spent the same for blades bolts and the bolt protectors on the end of the turtles. Surely there is a cheaper better alternative
The cutter blades are timed. I had a couple of Case 448 60” garden tractor decks with a timing belt.
You need to watch a youtube clip about centimeters, milimeters, meters. You view what it is and how it works is false.
2015. I remember what you affectionately called the NOROWER. LOL
Remember to ground the welder in such a way on each component so as to not ever pass amperage through bearings.
I use metric and imperial or standard as you call it. Just say an M 12 fastener. Depends on what it's used for dictates head size. Grade 4.6 will be 18mm AF. (across flats) 8.8 usually 18, 10.9 either 18 or 19, stainless usually 19, purlin bolts flanged and 18 AF. Now if it automotive it may be 17AF. John Deere are the problem, not metric system. They could have chosen to make all the heads the same. Available off the shelf.
Deere used to use Kuhn cutter heads on their mowers, have they gone away from that ?
this is no Kuhn. I think everyone did use Kuhn at some point in the early years as Kuhn was the first one to build the disc mower.
The european jd mowers are manufactured by kuhn in france, your cutterhead looks different.@@onelonleyfarmer
I remember when "disc moco's" first came about, I'm getting old. LOL
I'll say this about metric and imperial (SAE), both have their uses. In many ways, metric is far superior but, one has to remember, it's what works for you and everyone is different. To be fair, metric is easier to work with, it's just taking the time to understand the metric system. Don't worry about not understanding the different size of bolt/nut sizes, it does get confusing but, I believe it's like our "bolt grade", different grade, it gets a different size of head, I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong on that. Honestly, that's never bothered me using metric bolts, just grab the right size an go. :P
Just curious, how do you deal with any broken bales you may encounter with the big square bales? I've only worked with round and the small square bales, (idiot blocks as most of us call 'em). Also, any plans on trading that old Case windrower in for another JD MoCo?
As always, great video, cheers :)
everything is simpler and more accurate with metric system.
You can see what size the nuts and bolts are if you are used to it.
I agree. The metric system is so much better. The problem is we now have a split system. I have had vehicles that have some stuff metric and some stuff standard........ We need to just totally switch over.
if metric is so superior…. why do we only use 3/8…. and 1/2 … ratchets
@@karlsborgwi.jewell9919dude it's the same with metric. Standard sizes that are used the most on most equipment. Whaaaaat? Who would have thought 😂
Yup.. I only use metric bolts nuts and threaded rod now on anything I build.. Simple..
@@davids.9834true all of north America is that way. You need the tools for both.
Well your thumbnail is rather misleading, but enjoyed the video anyway. 😊
its very fine that you talk about metric that way , but i really dont know what you talk about ...... i live in europe and i never had these problems you talk about
Ever come across something with Whitworth bolts on it?
No rower 240 😂🫡 i remember the game wheel of Fortune 😂😂😂 you rock 🤠
Ya the no rower made for good videos just saying and wheel of misfortune, man time flies.
Make “ok so” great again!!!!
“Ok so” counter-4
Have to say, i am pretty impressed over your mechanic skills, but i'm suprised you dont understand why the head on those bolts are different, because it has nothing to do with metric or not, its a strength and wear thing, im sure this is in your standard system also. Like the 17mm head on the 12mm bolt, is so you dont get so much wear on the head of the bolt, also it wont grab the gras that easy. The 12mm bolt with the 19mm head is the cheapest bolt you can get in metric, it is just a regular M12 with coarse threads. Normaly i see only fine and coarse metric threads, but once a deacade i stumble over something with extra fine threads. I feel the same about your imperial, i think its stupid, makes no sense to me 😂 love your vids wes, keep em coming 🇧🇻🇧🇻🇧🇻
As a European this is how i complain about the Imperial systeem. LoL
The staps of 10 in the metric systeem is when you go from cm to mm ect. We do not use fractions.
About the bolts , thos are different din of iso bolts. So different design, and different head. Thats why you needed a different socket.
you use fractions do not lie!!!! what the fuck is a 2.5 mm or the 10.9 hardness??? its a fucking fraction.
@@onelonleyfarmer
Yes and no, we don't write them down as fractions. Just normal numbers. So the fraction 3/4 is written as 0.75 mm and so on. When talking about it we say 0.75 not 3/4. (Oke pipes are a different story XD )
Normal metric tape measure is in cm. 1 cm = 10 mm. But you cannot measure lower than 1 mm, then you need a caliper to measure after the decimal point.
I completely understand the frustration. 🙄😡
How the apple computer doing?
14 years and still going
12 years sorry
I thought all deere dealers use the same price on parts? I just paid $875 for 5 shear hubs, 2 boxes of knifes, and 10 nut protectors. . .What was the hub price at your dealer?
As a fellow English man, I prefer imperial
What's funny is you left out 1.75 metric "real coarse" lol. I feel your pain though. It's bs.... Especially when switching brands of equipment and vehicles for that matter.
Studs for top of turtle are a m12 bolt that takes a 18 mm wrench or socket……your bolts are wore out that’s why they take a 17mm socket…. And a 7/16” inch bolt has a 5/8” head and the nut is 11/16”…. Some bolt manufacturers will have a 19 mm head on a m12 but never a 17mm head again your cap screws that hold the title on are wore out
no they are not worn out its a fucking 17! I won't argue with you because Metric is shit. twist them off strip them out wrong fucking thread wrong size that looks likes the right size but its not because they suck.
@@onelonleyfarmer they are wore out, but some new ones and tell me what size they are…A bolt being metric has nothing to do with the hardness of the steel or the strength of the material that the bolt is made out of…. What do you think that they only make metric bolts at third world countries. Standard bolts are made right along side metric bolts
@@JamesGaffer don’t be an idiot! I know the difference in hardness and size and worn out these are not worn out. There is no wear on them whatsoever
@@onelonleyfarmer but New Cap screws
We need rain is SE Indiana. It has been over a month. I am worried about harvest fires. Crops are browning quick.
Change out all the bolts so that 18mm will fit everything. As you service the machine just change them all eventually to 18 mm bolts. I know it would be an expensive ordeal but eventually have everything the same size.
I use metric and imperial it’s simple.But I hate 18mm because we hardly ever see it and to the eye it looks like 19.First time I change the blades on a John Deere mower I used to change the nuts to 19 as it’s still a M12 thread and your3/4 socket fits it.
I'm from England, Wes, and everybody here does NOT love metric !! There are plenty of us whose schooling pre dates metric and we kept on using BSW,BSF,BA,AF and whatever else you put vehicles together with, for years after they forced metric on us ! Our toolboxes are eclectic and weird but theres always something that will fit, plus all that metric crap.
Yes we Do ffs
I've seen 12mm bolts use 17,18,19mm socket.
7/16 uses 5/8 on bolt and 11/16 on nut
yes the most effed up bolt in the SAE is the 7/16. 5/8-11/16 wrenches to use them.
Has this mower a Kuhn bed . Lord muck educate this man about metric
surpassing, introduction much to polite keep up the good work
John deere Green costs! As all colors! That's joey!
I'm with you I hate metric.
Nice video Wes like always
Mr metric doesn't make the bolts.... Mr Deere makes the bolts.... the problem you're having isn't the measurement.... it's why Deere used different size..... Deere do that just to piss you off.... 😂
Normal DIN standard bolts/nurs use ONLY wrench 19mm.
ANSI M12 however, uses 18mm, for the same M12 thread/pitch... go figure.
17mm is never used for m12, you clearly have some mixing of standards going on there wesley
@kingofhearts3703 I'm mixed up.... really?.... it's strange... all my 1/2 and 5/8 and imperial spanner sizes fit the 1/2 and 5/8 and according size. All my metric spanners fit all my metric bolts.... Nice and tight..... If the manufacturer uses imperial bowls... I use imperial spanners.... if the manufacturer uses metric bolts... I use metric spanners..... if the manufacturer uses Whitworth threads..... I"m going to use the correct bolt thread.... if the manufacturer uses UNF...... I"m going to use the according bolts......maybe the manufacturer wants to pass you off.... but maybe the manufacturer uses a different thread for a good reason...... oh I don't know.... maybe they want to keep a bolt tight... a correct torque..... but easier to remove..... you noticed Apple smartphone headphone port... is not standard...... Apple do that to make more money..... it would piss me off.... it doesn't... I just don't use apple products..... It's not the first American discussions to metric and imperial..... as far I"m concern.... It's just a measurement.... and it doesn't get me wound up....
@kingofhearts3703 just to blow your mind and piss you off.... do you know who and why the metric system was created?...... in 1795... or around that..... by the Jesuits.... just like they created the current calendar.... and the current english language..... and they created it for world unification.... global governance.... to control the world..... of course... Trump is a jesuit..... just like Biden is a jesuit..... both playing their part in the show in America just now.... divide and rule..... I bet that will piss off Westley 🤣.... the current Pope is Pope Francis.... the first jesuit Pope..... France..... Francis..... and the Jesuits were formed in France 1534..... If the plan works... Westley will have to use the metric system... 😀
I am with ya metric is a pain in the ass!
Did anyone ever find his mystery sail boat channel?
Is the no rower escapade really all the way back in 2015? Wow
Has it been that long now? Geez
@@TsunauticusIVRemember he bought the Deere as the new Holland replacement after getting his money back from new Holland
If my memory serves me correctly, the "no rower" is the 2nd Case he's had, went with JD due to issues he had.
@@dphillips705 ah yeah I remember videos on this channel from a LONG time ago. I just didn’t realize I’d been watching Wes for well over a decade now. Gosh. That’s crazy.
@@dphillips705 I still laugh at the “clicky camera” debacle, when I think about it. I think one of the only times I’ve seen Wes on the verge of choking viewers through the screen is when trolls were going after the “import lady”. I think the trolls used a worse word than “lady” but man was he really fired up over that. Honestly she’s an awesome woman and deserves no hate. She works hard too. Glad those two got together. 💪 but yeah man time sure has flown by. Gosh.
Up here in canadistan add another $250 to the price for those parts. Dont forget sales tax upwards of 15% and carbon tax.
Hey Wes! I love metric. 😋. Biggest thing is that we have both. That’s a pain.
Thanks for the video!
I’m going to do a 30m video on how I hate imperial….
my uncle work for an aircraft co. .he said a major tool co. came to the aircraft co. and suplied all the bolt and tools to install then on a petaclar part just to sell tool to mech.
metric has too much variety tbf. Bolt sizes in imperial have main sizes but metric gives you every size you could ask for but is it necessary not really
John Deere was like the first one to start using Metric
Nope, they were not, not even close.
I remember when you bought that JD mower.. hard to believe its been that long
So much better than the No rower!😂😂
How bout it - remember the saga of the no rower 😂
@@timkelley6616 can not believe that was all the way back in 2015
@@dphillips705 Me either!
@@timkelley6616Wonder where it is now?? Remember they said they were going to go completely threw it ?
24:00 Oddball Metric parts ... It's not just metric. What the problem is poor error proofing of the design parts. Either they need to be made so they are obviously different to the casual observer or exactly the same (even if that means using a common but slightly larger bolt at more cost for light duty locations in that assembly because in the long run it actually saves costs). Great engineering teams understand this, the catalog teams don't. If those hubs went on without a special diagram, the last mechanic wouldn't have clocked them off location and you'd not have this repair today.
Great content
I totally agree with you, do I win. ?? lol.
Isn't bit the netic system that's bad. It's the engineer that works for the place that manufactured the bolts. If there bolts are different you have to buy the bolts from. them
I'll stick with my NH 1409. Every bolt on the cutter bar is 3/4 except for the bolt for the hub it 5/8 12 point.
Even knowing the procedure its not that hard to end up with the timing off. A few weeks ago i had to replace a broken internal shafts that connect the modules. After getting it back together and running it I had blades hitting. Ended up I was off one tooth on one of the hubs. Once I got it adjusted right it's been running fine ever since.
the problem I have with new holland. is the shaft breaks! and I just don't have those issues with the Deere
Wes for President, you Sir are our national treasure.
your preachin to the choir
The bigger M12 hex is probably a DIN spec. There's such a thing as heavy hex SAE bolts too, but I agree it's lame.
Americans ranting about metric is absolutely fantastic, never reading information about it, just going by anger.. To be honest i rant about standard threads, but google is my friend if i have a problem
Yeah I don't really like metric. And about the M12 shinanigan, we have the exact same delima with the size 7/16 bolt. Yeah. I don't know why the H they had to put a 5/8 head with a 11/16 nut. And the same kind of "inginious bug" happens on a size 1-3/8 bolt (can't get the head-size and nut-size from memory right now sorry)
Running over with Timothy ?? Does Tim know ?🤪🤪
I remembered the no rower also
Haha. I see you purchased a roll over plow. I can't wait to see it in action. 😂😂
you forgot about British Standard Whitworth (BSW) 🥳
So on the metic system. a m8 is 13mm. a m10 is 17mm. a m12 is 19mm.
you say that's not true.. and you are right...
Machinery manufactures have figured out that if they use a 16mm head instead of 17mm head on the bolt.
slightly smaller but also slightly cheaper. times that with a few million bolts. and the manufactures has a saves money
nobody else does that, only agricultural machinery manufactures are so cheap that they decide to mess with a working system
You know what Wes
Ask NASA how they like using both systems .... $125 million to play lawn darts on Mars!!!
Maybe metric socket head cap screws all have the same socket
I had a teacher way back in the sixties say metric was better than what we used. I thought he was full of shit then and today I still think he was full of shit. I agree just yesterday I broke a bolt and it took a 13 mm wrench, the other two that held on what I was taking off was the same. I could only find a bolt to replace it in my hoard that had a 10 mm head on it. Yeah really makes sense to me.
oh man so much whineing, thanks for giving me a big laugh. i love metric so many options.
The turtles head is showing,,,I'm touching cloth,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,These are both Irish sayings to indicate that your about to take a shite,,,,,,Please feel free to use them wherever you are,,,,,,,Spreading diverse sayings since 1993....
I laughed so much of that bitching and moaning about the metric system.. 😂😂
That is what it sounds when i have to do something with imperials.. only 100 more swearwords and flying tools 🤣 I hate it so much! 😅
Its only what you are used, metric is superior in everyway imperials are just from 1500 century relics what some people are just too stubborn to leave behind 🤭 It works for u guys who have it in mothers milk but the rest of the world with metric are smirking shugging heads.. 😂
Though the one thing you are right there are sometimes 16-17-18 size of wrench on same bolts and i dont like that either. 16-18 is stupid. Other than that its all fine. 10, 13, 17, 19, 24 and of you go.✌️😊
Btw. We who are used to metric can say what it is, 15 or 16 or 17 just by looking at it, i know i at least i can.. 😉
With imperials its, 11,94746 stones and few sticks and rocks no-one can say, and eventually you grind the MF with nut-lathe or pipewrenches or just torch it of. 😂
Also, over there its JD that fucks it up with them different bolts same place. In here we curse JD from the same stuff. It like they kinda use the metric, but fumble it to shit half way, they think imperial while use metric and it goes to shit. Look machine like Claas or EU machine in general, its only one type, do not have to do that.
Also, forget about the grade, there is very few 10.9 in specific places, easy to replace with same, other that that its all 8.8. So try to forget about that it just confuse you more and for nothing.
And threads are the same, very rare to find fine on some specific places, rest are the same.
This comes from metric user, never have these problems you have. Sure its also that its rare stuff for you U have used to the sticks and stones 😉🤭😅