Holy shit this dude is so on point. "The church at once is something real and embodied in ritual more primarily than institutional (yet also in institutional forms) and yet it is something that extends beyond that. Not just that it's invisible but that its more concrete manifestations have not been recognized."
John Milbank. Wow, you guys have top quality guests! This is such a great topic. On the one hand, I do feel like an overextension of Promethianism is a danger. However, I am also critical of reactionaries (I'm not just talking political here), the modern day Minniver Cheevys, who want stasis and who do not want humans to be what they are, as Milbank says, "poets". Would be great to have him and James Tunney on at the same time!
This was an immense treat! “Incarnation is an eternal fact in excess of its occasion” 58:21 That one observation was alone worth the two times (so far) I listened to this…. Thanks for sharing these riches with us!
Thank you all for another wonderful podcast, these are so valuable. The part that begins around 56:27 made me think of this passage: "All the contingent 'abasements' of God in the economy of salvation are forever included and outstripped in the eternal event of Love. And so what, in the temporal economy, appears as the (most real) suffering of the Cross is only the manifestation of the (Trinitarian) Eucharist of the Son: he will forever be the slain Lamb, on the throne of the Father's glory, and his Eucharist -- the Body shared out, the Blood poured forth -- will never be abolished, since the Eucharist it is which must gather all creation into his body. What the Father has given, he will never take back." Hans Urs von Balthasar, in the Preface to "Mysterium Paschale"
Mike Sauter, just so you know every time you move or fidget your mike is picking it up, you might play with your mike settings some, it would cut out a lot of background noise.
Great discussion. Is there any essays/books that expand upon the Balthasar's promethean idea? I could not quite pick up the title that John is recommending during the conversation.
John is always stimulating and provocative.
Holy shit this dude is so on point.
"The church at once is something real and embodied in ritual more primarily than institutional (yet also in institutional forms) and yet it is something that extends beyond that. Not just that it's invisible but that its more concrete manifestations have not been recognized."
Love the insight (cp. John 1) encapsulated in "Everything is a revelation."
John Milbank. Wow, you guys have top quality guests! This is such a great topic. On the one hand, I do feel like an overextension of Promethianism is a danger. However, I am also critical of reactionaries (I'm not just talking political here), the modern day Minniver Cheevys, who want stasis and who do not want humans to be what they are, as Milbank says, "poets". Would be great to have him and James Tunney on at the same time!
This was an immense treat!
“Incarnation is an eternal fact in excess of its occasion” 58:21
That one observation was alone worth the two times (so far) I listened to this….
Thanks for sharing these riches with us!
Thank you all for another wonderful podcast, these are so valuable. The part that begins around 56:27 made me think of this passage:
"All the contingent 'abasements' of God in the economy of salvation are forever included and outstripped in the eternal event of Love. And so what, in the temporal economy, appears as the (most real) suffering of the Cross is only the manifestation of the (Trinitarian) Eucharist of the Son: he will forever be the slain Lamb, on the throne of the Father's glory, and his Eucharist -- the Body shared out, the Blood poured forth -- will never be abolished, since the Eucharist it is which must gather all creation into his body. What the Father has given, he will never take back."
Hans Urs von Balthasar, in the Preface to "Mysterium Paschale"
Fantastic conversation!
Thanks. He's so insightful on everything that comes up!
Very interesting. Unfortunately Milbank's books all seem to be quite expensive.
Such a helpful conversation
Thanks!
I was worried this was gonna be an April Fool's joke!
Mike Sauter, just so you know every time you move or fidget your mike is picking it up, you might play with your mike settings some, it would cut out a lot of background noise.
this is great
Great discussion. Is there any essays/books that expand upon the Balthasar's promethean idea? I could not quite pick up the title that John is recommending during the conversation.
sound is always very low (Host's side of it) here and in other solo videos as well.
There was some name dropping happening, which I would like someone to open up a bit.
It's a weakness that we should address in the description section, I've been told. Are their certain names we can help pinpoint, describe, or unpack?
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