In my opinion they should keep making even better Rocket League bots, but not publicaly give it to random humans to use. The better Rocket League bots could be used in rlsc to compete against the best RL players in the world, so we can see can they beat the best RL players in the world and become the new world champions in the world in RL.
@@jout738 That's not how it would work generally; in all cases we've seen where bots start to surpass human capability, they don't go head to head. I think there would be a parallel competition for bots exclusively considering once the bots have reached a certain level, humans will never beat them again.
@@kingsofspencer Sunless does produce some serious high quality content, but wayton has been continuously stepping up his game. I consider his content to be of higher quality.
i cannot thank you enough for making videos with this amount of work put into them. great research, great storytelling and executed just great as well.
This is lowkey one of the best videos I’ve ever watched in my entire life… The editing feels as good as movie and the way you tell the story is unmatched. Great job man.
Your production quality is remarkable and is quite reminiscent of LEMMINOs content in terms of research and narration. The way you’ve merged this cinematic and professional documentary style commentary content with the complexities and depth that comes with a topic as unique as Rocket League is genuinely amazing and I’m glad that you’ve found such success with it. Keep it up!!
The thing is despite most people coming together to avoid something like this again there is definitely gonna be someone who is developing and releasing a much higher level bot with harder to detect movements. It probably already exists and is just not publicly spread yet
@@teo2157 Oh, but it is. Neural networks are black boxes, so you can't tweak them directly. You'd have to find a way to do work at the output and that's tricky because you haven't done the feature extraction yourself. In any case, statistical analysis (if RL develops one) of bot gameplay against human gameplay is going to detect it easily and, while it isn't practical to run it on all players/matches all of the time, it would be trivial to do so upon report. The only way around that is to train the model on a corpus of human gameplay and rewarding it not for winning, but for closely matching human play. This is a completely different setup and would require an absolutely humongous corpus of real matches, which doesn't and likely won't ever (without RL's cooperation) exist.
@@paulie-g Perfectly valid points, but i still think we have methods to introduce randomness. AI researchers have been experimenting with various techniques to introduce randomness or errors into AI models to make them more robust and adaptable to different situations. For instance, some researchers have used techniques like dropout, which randomly drops out neurons during training. I'm sure this could be one of many techniques to introduce quirks and randomness Also, The I developers could also just use adversarial training or your suggestion of just imitation learning, which while suboptimal, I really doubt that it would be too difficult to find enough material to through off any statistical analysis anti-cheat. And also, if worst comes to worst, just simply hard code imperfections, and randomly adjust the bot's reaction time or accuracy to simulate human-like errors. (At the cost of performance)
@@teo2157 It's not about randomness or reaction time or errors. Models that are not specifically trained to imitate human performance are going to have statistically very significant differences with human play. It's telling that not only did players identify bots, but were able to clearly state discernible and easy to measure features of their play. It's one thing to train models on 100k+ hours of play when it is cheaply produced by another copy of the model in real time and never stored. How are you going to get that much from humans and who pays for the storage? It's entirely off-limits to hobbyists for cost reasons, and anyone RL or another server doesn't cooperate with for access reasons.
@@paulie-g but aren’t we talking about simply making it harder for anti cheat to detect statistically impossible gameplay? like, take any other game with anti cheat, the players usually know if a player is hacking, of course, to solve this would be just as you said, training the model on actual human gameplay. but the point is to foil the anti cheat.
dude same, thanks to him my rotation and decision making are far way better, I was d1 months ago and I couldn't rank up until I watch his videos, now I'm c3
Wayton, you’re a true talent. Your cinematographic abilities are incredible. I could see you being a filmmaker one day. Absolutely incredible quality. Thank you for taking the time to make this so we can all watch and enjoy. You a real one.
I followed this chain of evens from the beginning and it is easily one of the most insane things in gaming history. We were shown that just machine learning can be better at games than most humans within 2 months, while people using it in competitive is scummy for sure, this showing of machine learning and AI is an amazing sign for the future and I hope they are allowed to release more bots in the future.
there is no doubt that this kind of thing will happen over and over again as new AI's are created. the unpreparedness is the basis for almost all ethical debates of AI.
Such a great story teller, 13 minutes felt like a 30 minute short film. The suspenseful music, flickering lights during crucial moments. Awesome work :)
Even with all the buzz around the bots, not only have I not ever encountered a cheater, but it seems like phsyonix was able to, almost completely, remove the cheater and lately I've not seen people complaining about it almost at all. Nice job phsy
"We always knew that it was technically possible to do but the scale of it was not expected at all" - Rolv (This is a terrifying quote for the future of AI considering we're on a MASSIVE AI boom right now in 2023)
@@redragon9588reproducing. No matter how intelligent ai becomes they still will not have the ability to have sexual intercourse and create a totally unique life force from it.
This RL bot situation shows how people can take one thing which is beneficial and completely flip it upside down and not have anything and ruin the fun for others. We cldve had bots at SSL level which wldve helped us play better, practice with them and see how far can a bot go, but just cuz of few people, we might never see a bot above 2000mmr ever again.... truly sucks. Also wayton, this video was a really high quality video, the editing to the music used, everything was very immersive, this might be one of your best videos yet. Congrats on 500K subs btw
You know, I see this and I don't see a short documentary about cheaters in a video game, I see a young man working on his art form. Great stuff. Keep it up, you're opening doors you don't know yet
Great video! There had been a player using the bot in ranked in June 2022 and streaming it. He was shut down very quickly because both those who watched a lot of Bot Training at that time and those who developed the bots quickly informed Psyonix about it. I wouldn't be surprised the reason Psyonix was able to accurately detect and shut down all bot accounts within just a few weeks was because they had about 6 months of a head start and there was not any fuss about it.
Not often am I blown away by the quality of a video, but this video was outstanding. It was incredibly engaging and informative throughout and was structured beautifully. Keep up the great work Wayton!
Great video man. I'm mainly been a Counter Strike player over the years. We have had to deal with hacking pretty much the entire time. The game allows just simple hacks to be so powerful, like just think of how powerful seeing through walls would be in an FPS. I feel jealous that your game has had such a clean non hacking experience. All I can say is that the skill level has been raised for how hard is is to create a bot. Now that these bot creators have removed their code and their creation is banned. This won't stop other people with the skill level to creat their own though. My advice to RL would be to prepare for the return of bots, and pay attention to small accounts that may use this. Not everyone that creates hacks will release them like happened this time. You got lucky. Now prepare for more stealthy hacks. Good luck.
You know I hate that bots are being abused in-game like this, but at the same time, I can't help but be proud it took a bot the equivalent of 30 years to reach my skill level.
Also weird to think you find a loophole in the bot, but if you play it enough, that loophole will stop working, though I mean it could take a year of 24/7 matches.
A video I haven't watched in 1,5x speed because I didn't want to ruin watch-time for literal top1 quality of content on TH-cam about Rocket League it felt kinda slow ngl XD but still felt great after watching 8) Your editing skill and use of music is just actually either 'next level' or simply one of the best I might have seen and heard + that's actually the biggest flex ever - not just in game industry xD - to not have "cheating" in report box because your game is literally uncheatable lmao
Man imagine if the bots could be tuned, so that u play against a platinum to practice, but like in normal RL. Instead of allstar bots its just bronze, plat, champ etc etc...
When I started playing SFV again I noticed when I played offline again that the highest bot lvl was about as good as a high bronze. They know what's happening but still don't have the capacity a person does to pull off fakes or frame traps. So basically as soon as you learn how to use 1 Char. you can always beat the CPU version because you know more about the limits than the program reading the actual numbers
I remember when from 2017-2018 it felt like a friend of mine and me were playing against bots in ranked in 90% of the online games (diamond/champ). Their movement was off, they all had privat steam accounts, didn’t Chat and just felt weird to play against. But it seems they were part of some other group.
Bro you are a genuinely good storyteller. You should get to make stuff like documentaries in rocket league scene like NRG's journey to win s8 or BDS world championship
bakkesmod is literally the meghack of geometry dash, everyone uses them if they can and the communities would be drastically different without their existence.
I encountered those bots as well in many ranked matches back than. Even got some saved replays of those matches. But it's good they've been able to get this bots out of the game again.
Wow, I can tell you spent a lot of time in audio design. Incredible. Makes the story. As a youtuber myself on another acount I know how important that is.
I played a 3 stack of bots in a rumble tourney with my two friends. They all queued up at the same time and we pretty much instantly knew they were bots. The kickoff and the lack of aerials confirmed our suspicions but we're top 100 rumble so it wasn't a big deal. The bots only used power ups for a save, other than that never. Then when the loser behind the screen got tilted he made all 3 of them ff and leave at the same time.
Quality video, was a really great runthrough of the history. However, I have a slight correction, the bot actually first started getting used in online matches around June 2022 and the person behind it was streaming their online games using it, but it was only when said person released the details of how to do so publicly that it started getting seen more regularly.
Yeah, that's why I was surprised psyonix didn't have any anticheat or anything in place already by 2023. They probably should have seen this coming, since the creator had said they planned to release it multiple times before then.
I mean, shouldn't be too difficult. You just get nexto's neural net, compare its actions on each frame to what the players actually did, and if they consistently match, you have a suspect. Along with that, there are some statistics that are clear signs of bots. For example, pretty much every player in champ/gc ranks air rolls more than Nexto. The fact that they censored all mentions of it originally (literally talking about it in RL discord or RLBot discord, even if it was just in warning, could get you banned), but then they had something within 2 weeks when the hack actually got released, makes it seem like they just tried to sweep it under the rug instead of doing anything. Although it's possible they had something before that and it simply took them 2 weeks after the hacking to put it in the game.
@@shadowyzephyr That only covers the specific nexto case though. Other capable bots exist including older versions of nexto and it's unrealistic to keep patching things that way. There's definitely things the bots do that are very different from players, but exactly characterizing those as a computer is difficult. Sure, nexto air rolls less, but you can't just ban based on that because there probably is a small percentage of champ/gc players that rarely air roll
@@tylerweigand8875 I mean it is realistic if there are not that many high-level bots released. You could check against all the neural nets. I'm saying the reporting system + having moderation + checking against neural nets + other suspicious patterns (accounts staying on for 24 hrs/ day, or ranking up 6 ranks in 2 days) combined should be more than enough to detect cheaters.
The best thing about this whole situation, is that all the kids who boosted their account to get S8 GC tags, are now being slowly smashed down to diamond again and S8 GC tags are now not an indicator of skill at all.
Nice work Wayton! The most sci fi part of this is how they figured out how to train the bot concurrently and sped up at the same time, cramming years of learning into real time minutes. That’s a literal plot point in Accelerando- a wild book about singularities - and is that book’s definition of it! I didn’t realize that was what made this take off like it did
The whole bot thing is actually pretty cool, in fact it's innovative. But it really should have *only* stayed offline or on the website. These bots are pretty much a resurgence of the TF2 bot crisis
You can count on me when I say, when your teammate disconnects from a casual match and a bot replaces him, it's nowhere near bronze or gold. Sometimes even when it is mid and you pass to him, he can get a pretty rough shot for the opponent, so I don't think rocket league bots are anywhere near bronze. Edit: nvm i watched later the next 30 seconds and i got my message..
I just watched the video and at the end it said 501k subscribers. For me when I’m writing this it was made 6 days ago. He has 503k now. He gained 2000 subscribers in 6 days from I think one recent video? Congratulations Wayton 👍. Edit: Also, I just realized I don’t know much about this stuff, and 2000 subscribers might be average in 6 days so maybe someone can tell me?
A huge thank you to everyone who made this project possible
500k lets go man
Hi wayton
Awesome you are soon going to be known of by nearly all the comunity
Thank you so much for the content keep it up bro
As a person who loves to play dropshot as a gold i always play against champs and diamonds im wishing a hard reset comes soon.
These documentaries are always straight up quality
Keep up the good work my dude
In my opinion they should keep making even better Rocket League bots, but not publicaly give it to random humans to use. The better Rocket League bots could be used in rlsc to compete against the best RL players in the world, so we can see can they beat the best RL players in the world and become the new world champions in the world in RL.
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@@jout738 That's not how it would work generally; in all cases we've seen where bots start to surpass human capability, they don't go head to head. I think there would be a parallel competition for bots exclusively considering once the bots have reached a certain level, humans will never beat them again.
@@kongoll pretty soon, bots are going to take over the world 🤖🌎
@@jout738 they are doing this (or trying to)
This entire bot thing was one of the craziest things to happen in rocket league so far
And I didn't even notice a difference because I didn't watch TH-cam
Correction, THE craziest thing to ever happen.
Yeah, but console players are going “wait, what are you guys talking about?”
@@gamerandcontroller9129 we know exactly what these guys are talking about
@@christiantaylor1495 or frequent reddit
Wayton doesn’t upload too much but when he does 😈 the camera angles go hard
how did you reply a day ago when this was posted 45 minutes ago? is this just only me
or the video giving me some vibes
@@enrique593 it was premiered so i think he commented then
@@enrique593I’m a bot, we are not just in rocket league
Your production quality is unmatched in the RL scene. This is like a short movie!
It’s not unmatched. You forgot about sunless
@@kingsofspencer Sunless does produce some serious high quality content, but wayton has been continuously stepping up his game. I consider his content to be of higher quality.
Im the 100 like on this comment xd
Well done on Liking The Thing
There are many RL content creators, but Wayton's production quality and story telling is just another level 👏
Well done on Liking The Thing
i cannot thank you enough for making videos with this amount of work put into them. great research, great storytelling and executed just great as well.
This is lowkey one of the best videos I’ve ever watched in my entire life…
The editing feels as good as movie and the way you tell the story is unmatched.
Great job man.
That’s just sad. And if it’s one of the best videos you ever saw how is that low key?
Your production quality is remarkable and is quite reminiscent of LEMMINOs content in terms of research and narration. The way you’ve merged this cinematic and professional documentary style commentary content with the complexities and depth that comes with a topic as unique as Rocket League is genuinely amazing and I’m glad that you’ve found such success with it. Keep it up!!
waytons ability to turn a video game into a full documentary is crazy. Keep up the great work.
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Well done on Liking The Thing
The thing is despite most people coming together to avoid something like this again there is definitely gonna be someone who is developing and releasing a much higher level bot with harder to detect movements. It probably already exists and is just not publicly spread yet
Ai randomisation is not hard to include. Or even hard code some noise or bad decisions
@@teo2157 Oh, but it is. Neural networks are black boxes, so you can't tweak them directly. You'd have to find a way to do work at the output and that's tricky because you haven't done the feature extraction yourself. In any case, statistical analysis (if RL develops one) of bot gameplay against human gameplay is going to detect it easily and, while it isn't practical to run it on all players/matches all of the time, it would be trivial to do so upon report. The only way around that is to train the model on a corpus of human gameplay and rewarding it not for winning, but for closely matching human play. This is a completely different setup and would require an absolutely humongous corpus of real matches, which doesn't and likely won't ever (without RL's cooperation) exist.
@@paulie-g
Perfectly valid points, but i still think we have methods to introduce randomness.
AI researchers have been experimenting with various techniques to introduce randomness or errors into AI models to make them more robust and adaptable to different situations. For instance, some researchers have used techniques like dropout, which randomly drops out neurons during training. I'm sure this could be one of many techniques to introduce quirks and randomness
Also, The I developers could also just use adversarial training or your suggestion of just imitation learning, which while suboptimal, I really doubt that it would be too difficult to find enough material to through off any statistical analysis anti-cheat.
And also, if worst comes to worst, just simply hard code imperfections, and randomly adjust the bot's reaction time or accuracy to simulate human-like errors. (At the cost of performance)
@@teo2157 It's not about randomness or reaction time or errors. Models that are not specifically trained to imitate human performance are going to have statistically very significant differences with human play. It's telling that not only did players identify bots, but were able to clearly state discernible and easy to measure features of their play.
It's one thing to train models on 100k+ hours of play when it is cheaply produced by another copy of the model in real time and never stored. How are you going to get that much from humans and who pays for the storage? It's entirely off-limits to hobbyists for cost reasons, and anyone RL or another server doesn't cooperate with for access reasons.
@@paulie-g but aren’t we talking about simply making it harder for anti cheat to detect statistically impossible gameplay? like, take any other game with anti cheat, the players usually know if a player is hacking, of course, to solve this would be just as you said, training the model on actual human gameplay.
but the point is to foil the anti cheat.
Can’t wait! Your stuff got me from d1 to c3, and it’s been fun to see your story/narrative videos get better and better! Cheers.
He made me derank
Sorry lol not every night’s a good night
dude same, thanks to him my rotation and decision making are far way better, I was d1 months ago and I couldn't rank up until I watch his videos, now I'm c3
Bro's like the anttvenom of RL
@@Notriz. if you’re still looking to improve, i suggest watching Oz Rl Analyst’s ssl in one minute series. I went from c3 to gc2 in one week
Congrats on 500k Wayton! You deserve every bit of it!
Great stuff as always Wayton 👍
Wayton, you’re a true talent. Your cinematographic abilities are incredible. I could see you being a filmmaker one day. Absolutely incredible quality. Thank you for taking the time to make this so we can all watch and enjoy. You a real one.
I really like how you manage to keep me attached to your video. Congrats for being a mutual entertainer for the whole community of the game.
I followed this chain of evens from the beginning and it is easily one of the most insane things in gaming history. We were shown that just machine learning can be better at games than most humans within 2 months, while people using it in competitive is scummy for sure, this showing of machine learning and AI is an amazing sign for the future and I hope they are allowed to release more bots in the future.
40 years*
there is no doubt that this kind of thing will happen over and over again as new AI's are created. the unpreparedness is the basis for almost all ethical debates of AI.
I remember this being done in Dota 2 back in 2015. The exact same process and method. I’m shocked it took this long for it to happen to rocket league.
I thought i'd never see the day where calling someone a bot in Rocket League is a compliment
Such a great story teller, 13 minutes felt like a 30 minute short film. The suspenseful music, flickering lights during crucial moments. Awesome work :)
Wayton’s videos have so much quality. Great research, and very well made video!
congrats on 500k wayton!
Even with all the buzz around the bots, not only have I not ever encountered a cheater, but it seems like phsyonix was able to, almost completely, remove the cheater and lately I've not seen people complaining about it almost at all.
Nice job phsy
"We always knew that it was technically possible to do but the scale of it was not expected at all" - Rolv (This is a terrifying quote for the future of AI considering we're on a MASSIVE AI boom right now in 2023)
“Sold it on their discord… for free!” Cracked me up
Once again had chills.
10/10 videos as always!
Its insane how fast bots are getting better and better, eventually they might even surpass humans.
Well technically they should
they already did tho
bots already surpassed humans in some decades we will see terminators irl
bots can and do surpass humans in almost everything, give it some time and bots will be better at literally everything
@@redragon9588reproducing. No matter how intelligent ai becomes they still will not have the ability to have sexual intercourse and create a totally unique life force from it.
This RL bot situation shows how people can take one thing which is beneficial and completely flip it upside down and not have anything and ruin the fun for others. We cldve had bots at SSL level which wldve helped us play better, practice with them and see how far can a bot go, but just cuz of few people, we might never see a bot above 2000mmr ever again.... truly sucks.
Also wayton, this video was a really high quality video, the editing to the music used, everything was very immersive, this might be one of your best videos yet.
Congrats on 500K subs btw
You know, I see this and I don't see a short documentary about cheaters in a video game, I see a young man working on his art form. Great stuff. Keep it up, you're opening doors you don't know yet
The production is juicy my guy
the effort put in this video is wild. Thanks man
Holy, this is so well put together. Big ups Wayton!
Grats on 500k subs! Let's gooo!
Awesome video and content as always.
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Great video! There had been a player using the bot in ranked in June 2022 and streaming it. He was shut down very quickly because both those who watched a lot of Bot Training at that time and those who developed the bots quickly informed Psyonix about it.
I wouldn't be surprised the reason Psyonix was able to accurately detect and shut down all bot accounts within just a few weeks was because they had about 6 months of a head start and there was not any fuss about it.
this is one of the best made rocket league videos i've seen ever, great job dude
Not often am I blown away by the quality of a video, but this video was outstanding. It was incredibly engaging and informative throughout and was structured beautifully. Keep up the great work Wayton!
Dude really set the premier for 24 hours from now
Top tier, grade a, chefs kiss production quality from Wayton...again. Keep it up dude
Great video man. I'm mainly been a Counter Strike player over the years. We have had to deal with hacking pretty much the entire time. The game allows just simple hacks to be so powerful, like just think of how powerful seeing through walls would be in an FPS. I feel jealous that your game has had such a clean non hacking experience. All I can say is that the skill level has been raised for how hard is is to create a bot. Now that these bot creators have removed their code and their creation is banned. This won't stop other people with the skill level to creat their own though. My advice to RL would be to prepare for the return of bots, and pay attention to small accounts that may use this. Not everyone that creates hacks will release them like happened this time. You got lucky. Now prepare for more stealthy hacks. Good luck.
I love documentaries style videos like this, awesome work
CONGRATS ON 500K!!! Keep up the good work wayton
Well deserved 500k Wayton, keep up the great work
The 500k is much deserved. Great video as always.
This is some peak Wayton editing
These types of videos are always so interesting to watch, keep it up!
You know I hate that bots are being abused in-game like this, but at the same time, I can't help but be proud it took a bot the equivalent of 30 years to reach my skill level.
Also weird to think you find a loophole in the bot, but if you play it enough, that loophole will stop working, though I mean it could take a year of 24/7 matches.
This is a scinematic masterpiece, well done!
wow this walton guy is a pretty good editor
Wayton 🤣
walter?
A video I haven't watched in 1,5x speed because I didn't want to ruin watch-time for literal top1 quality of content on TH-cam about Rocket League
it felt kinda slow ngl XD but still felt great after watching 8) Your editing skill and use of music is just actually either 'next level' or simply one of the best I might have seen and heard
+ that's actually the biggest flex ever - not just in game industry xD - to not have "cheating" in report box because your game is literally uncheatable lmao
The quality of these documentaries, man. Amazing work of research. Keep it up, Wayton.
Congratulations on 500k!
One can see the effort you put in. Thanks for the high-quality entertainment.
Your documentaries always explain everything well. Keep up the great work
Hi Wayton. I am a big fan of you!!! Also congrats for 500k subs!!!!!
Man imagine if the bots could be tuned, so that u play against a platinum to practice, but like in normal RL. Instead of allstar bots its just bronze, plat, champ etc etc...
Actually what an awesome video! Great job Wayton!
When I started playing SFV again I noticed when I played offline again that the highest bot lvl was about as good as a high bronze. They know what's happening but still don't have the capacity a person does to pull off fakes or frame traps. So basically as soon as you learn how to use 1 Char. you can always beat the CPU version because you know more about the limits than the program reading the actual numbers
I just wanna say, that within 9 hours you gained 1k subscribers which is crazy to me, your content is mindblowing
I remember when from 2017-2018 it felt like a friend of mine and me were playing against bots in ranked in 90% of the online games (diamond/champ). Their movement was off, they all had privat steam accounts, didn’t Chat and just felt weird to play against. But it seems they were part of some other group.
Absolutely beautiful vid, and congrats on the half-million sub milestone!
Bro you are a genuinely good storyteller. You should get to make stuff like documentaries in rocket league scene like NRG's journey to win s8 or BDS world championship
Nice work man this feels like a documentary
fire documentary, keep it up wayton, love to see it!!!
*I absolutely LOVE Wayton's documentaries
Loving the documentary style vids, keep it up Wayton!
Congrats on 500k Wayton!
I love rl documentaries man theyre so cool, especially the ones by wayton.
Yooooo nice job Wayton 500k subs good job I have been with you since 2021 🎉
Sick video!
Love these documentary style RL vids, always a blast to watch
So well produced and structured, love it!
Love these types of videos. Was well worth the wait
bakkesmod is literally the meghack of geometry dash, everyone uses them if they can and the communities would be drastically different without their existence.
Rocket League should hire the devs from RLBot and build their bots into the game. Win win for everyone.
I encountered those bots as well in many ranked matches back than. Even got some saved replays of those matches. But it's good they've been able to get this bots out of the game again.
Keep it up with these documentory worth the wait and great to watch
Wow, I can tell you spent a lot of time in audio design. Incredible. Makes the story. As a youtuber myself on another acount I know how important that is.
We got to 500k,now let’s go to 1mil,luv ur vids wayton.
I played a 3 stack of bots in a rumble tourney with my two friends.
They all queued up at the same time and we pretty much instantly knew they were bots. The kickoff and the lack of aerials confirmed our suspicions but we're top 100 rumble so it wasn't a big deal.
The bots only used power ups for a save, other than that never. Then when the loser behind the screen got tilted he made all 3 of them ff and leave at the same time.
should've ended with a "or they just have a good gaming chair", if it wasn't a serious doc 💀
I love these cinematics and the content ::)
You are the most cinematic person Ove ever seen and you really live into the things Thats happening
There’s a new bot called Jess and hit has 8 ping and it’s a Diamond 3 almost to a champ and it says GG after the games
Quality video, was a really great runthrough of the history. However, I have a slight correction, the bot actually first started getting used in online matches around June 2022 and the person behind it was streaming their online games using it, but it was only when said person released the details of how to do so publicly that it started getting seen more regularly.
Yeah, that's why I was surprised psyonix didn't have any anticheat or anything in place already by 2023. They probably should have seen this coming, since the creator had said they planned to release it multiple times before then.
@@shadowyzephyr it's probably not as easy as something you can just push out in a couple months
I mean, shouldn't be too difficult. You just get nexto's neural net, compare its actions on each frame to what the players actually did, and if they consistently match, you have a suspect. Along with that, there are some statistics that are clear signs of bots. For example, pretty much every player in champ/gc ranks air rolls more than Nexto.
The fact that they censored all mentions of it originally (literally talking about it in RL discord or RLBot discord, even if it was just in warning, could get you banned), but then they had something within 2 weeks when the hack actually got released, makes it seem like they just tried to sweep it under the rug instead of doing anything. Although it's possible they had something before that and it simply took them 2 weeks after the hacking to put it in the game.
@@shadowyzephyr That only covers the specific nexto case though. Other capable bots exist including older versions of nexto and it's unrealistic to keep patching things that way.
There's definitely things the bots do that are very different from players, but exactly characterizing those as a computer is difficult. Sure, nexto air rolls less, but you can't just ban based on that because there probably is a small percentage of champ/gc players that rarely air roll
@@tylerweigand8875 I mean it is realistic if there are not that many high-level bots released. You could check against all the neural nets.
I'm saying the reporting system + having moderation + checking against neural nets + other suspicious patterns (accounts staying on for 24 hrs/ day, or ranking up 6 ranks in 2 days) combined should be more than enough to detect cheaters.
WOW. That is all I can say. What a banger of a video plontion, I enjoyed every second
The best thing about this whole situation, is that all the kids who boosted their account to get S8 GC tags, are now being slowly smashed down to diamond again and S8 GC tags are now not an indicator of skill at all.
Nice work Wayton! The most sci fi part of this is how they figured out how to train the bot concurrently and sped up at the same time, cramming years of learning into real time minutes. That’s a literal plot point in Accelerando- a wild book about singularities - and is that book’s definition of it! I didn’t realize that was what made this take off like it did
I mean it already has been done in other games before.
@@shadowyzephyr first time i've heard of something like this, cool though
Accelerated training is actually relatively common in machine learning :) it is definitely very interesting
Great video mate!!
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Really high quality documentary for a 10 minute rocket league video
The whole bot thing is actually pretty cool, in fact it's innovative. But it really should have *only* stayed offline or on the website. These bots are pretty much a resurgence of the TF2 bot crisis
Always a good and slightly existential day when Walton posts a cinematic
a truly masterpiece of a storytelling. Good job
bro this insane quality
Another documentary by Wayton! Well made!
Rocket League players: Bots invasion noo!
TF2 players: First time?
Your documentaries remind me of the quality videos Sunless once uploaded, great stuff!
Great job! I enjoyed watching this video about such a great game.
Wayton Vids the only Rocket League Vids i still watch after i quit
this minidocumentary was just PERFECT.
You can count on me when I say, when your teammate disconnects from a casual match and a bot replaces him, it's nowhere near bronze or gold. Sometimes even when it is mid and you pass to him, he can get a pretty rough shot for the opponent, so I don't think rocket league bots are anywhere near bronze.
Edit: nvm i watched later the next 30 seconds and i got my message..
Ty for this video, i have seen a bot in my rl game but i didnt know anything about how they came in the game. Ty for enlightening me on the subject👍
I just watched the video and at the end it said 501k subscribers. For me when I’m writing this it was made 6 days ago. He has 503k now. He gained 2000 subscribers in 6 days from I think one recent video? Congratulations Wayton 👍. Edit: Also, I just realized I don’t know much about this stuff, and 2000 subscribers might be average in 6 days so maybe someone can tell me?