One of the reasons I won’t go to a casino… cause why is it illegal to count cards if I’m betting my money ON CARDS. Stupid fcking logic even if they aim to make money. As long as I’m not writing out shit that passes etc and it’s in my head why are you even bothering. It’s called memory and it’s not a crime
@@TheTinyChinee: That's why you have to lose every so often, that way they won't catch on, but I guess ego is a big factor with some people, they can't let it go. 🤔🥴😒😮💨😮💨
@@brianlanders8028 or I just don’t go lmao. You can call wanting to win ego but either way you have to lose almost as much as you win to not get called out. And that makes no sense. If I win 50k and lose 5k that’s likely still too much winning to losing
Shit I got banned from a Riverboat casino for having Great luck one night. First from Blackjack after an amazing run and then I got two great payouts on the Slots. After that all games were off limits. I could only eat at restaurant or drink at bar. Thing is I rarely Gamble it was purely luck Casinos don't want you to win too much. They didn't off me no comps either.
@@Moosetick2002 This is what happens in the MODERN world (as in, outside the USA). In the USA they simply don't want to buy a shuffling machine and claim counting cards is illegal, or refuse entry (which is also illegal outside most of the USA unless they have a legal reason. If you choose to be open to the public, you're open to the public, makes sense, right?)
"But it's also not illegal for a private company, i.e. a casino, to ask you to leave for any reason"...Be a baker and have some sexual deviant come to your private company/business demanding you to bake some disgusting cake for them, then you will see the bullshit behind what you posted.
She was like, "Ma'am, you're showing ten and eight on two of your hands." and my eyebrow went so far up my forehead I could see the editor who cut this scene. Snark that hard deserves a promotion to pit boss.
@@alyx5213 you're right, they're friendly. This "dealer" in this TV show was giving attitude, aka "talking back". Dealers are super friendly, they don't give you attitude or talk back or insult you.
Casinos don't care what you do as long as you are losing money to them. Hit a big jackpot on a slot machine and watch them refuse to pay saying that the machine is broken.
Not really, i've seen videos from people winning alots of $$ from casino and got banned for doing nothing but winning and not losing your money to them.
Depends why you're there. If you're there to "make money", then yes, you're a fool. But many people go just for entertainment sake - and if they're entertained and OK losing money, they're not fools.
Counting cards boosts your odds to barely 51%. You have to grind through a lot of hands for the +EV to surface and if you have a bad run, you’ll blow out your whole bankroll before you get there. TV shows always make it seem like your odds of winning are 100%.
For real, I don't understand "counting cards". Doesn't literally every card player "count cards"? In other games like poker you're literally gambling based entirely off of what everyone can count.
@@bradl.602I thought the same thing until I did actual research on the subject and ended up feeling real dumb at all the statistical stuff I couldn't understand. I only went to 2 years of high school but tbf I think statistics is college level or something.
@@bradl.602 in casinos these days they usually use 8 decks for blackjack afaik so the counting advantage is greatly reduced *and* it's no longer trivial to keep track of the count at that point. With 2 decks you could reasonably do it and use that info to gain like a 2% edge on the house.
Casinos don't care if you count cards. They don't even care if you count cards and win. What they don't like is you counting cards and winning big. -Oscar Isaac The Card Counter
The Helsinki casino only banned card counting because it slowed down the game, making the table less profitable. Most counters were bad enough that it didn't matter otherwise.
@@2011blueman not my experience. If I was losing money they were happy to keep me there. If I was winning money I would see security slowly circling the tables like sharks, but nothing serious. It's kind of like in this scene. Sometimes they will offer you certain tickets or upgrades or they would kindly ask you to leave.
Most people at casinos are gamblers, and even if they have the concentration to keep the running total in their head they still approach the game from a gambler's mindset, that they can beat the odds so they end up losing anyway. The professional advantage players won't sit at a slot machine or throw dice, because they know the odds are against them.
In real life: ma'am back off, your play is too strong. You're no longer allowed to play our table games. You may continue to gamble at the slot machines but table games are now restricted. If you're caught attempting to play our table games you will be trespassed from the property
In real life every casino has had automatically shuffling card shoes for several decades, and "counting cards" and playing like this would only raise eyebrows whether she is mentally fit to stay at the casino (IQ 80).
Isn't it amazing that they have a rule against, y'know, THINKING about the game you're playing so that you make good decisions? What a completely reasonable policy.
Card counting isn't playing by the house rules though and it's their rules. You enter any premises or game knowing the rules which you've agreed too. It's your choice to then make a smart decision to play or not
they only apply it on people who are earning fucktons of money. it's the same thing as throttling people who abuse ISPs, or scalp concert tickets - if they're taking action you are being quite a scumbag.
I was kicked out of the Nevada Club in the 1980s in Reno when two big men showed up with the pit boss and he said, "sir take your winnings cash them in and leave the casino." Yes, I was counting in my head and I didn't want to get busted up so I said nothing, cashed in and left. Nowadays, most casinos have two or more decks which I can't count well enough to make any profit.
My brain isn't braining this out. Part of me thinks that counting two identical decks should be the same math problem as one deck. But then I don't disbelieve you, either and I see a bunch of people saying the same thing.
Its not about the casino, its about the kick ass team Reacher leads . Loyal to the book series, and therefore, ......somebody's gonna get hurt real bad!.
I was a dealer and pit supervisor for years and no card counter would ever stay on 8 or 10 lol. And while not illegal the casino can and will kick you out if they suspect you're counting cards. You'd think this know-it-all would understand that simple point.
I like how "Hollywood" does it like this. Card counters get told they can't play blackjack anymore. Period. No comps. No suites. Just told "no blackjack."
Hollywood perpetuates the myth that card counting somehow means the player knows exactly what the next card will be. The most accurate thing about this clip is the casino giving her comps. If a player is dumb enough to not double down on a ten when the dealer is showing a five, then the casino will want to keep them around as long as possible.
100%. Nobody counting cards will play their hands this way. Hollywood. Deck presumably had a true count of more low cards, the most that would have changed are doubling decisions. The math will never favor standing on an unbustable hand and nobody knows what exact order the cards will come out.
@@coachk2450 if you're a counter you know better than to presume the count. I agree with the rest you said though. Also shuffle tracking is a real skill and some are amazing at it and can predict cards. I fell into its rabbit hole on the forums one night
I can’t believe you, not only explained the whole point like everyone reading your comment is 5 yo, you explained it in the most forced, awkward way possible. Craziness
@@kissofdeath580haven’t seen anyone from season 1 in season 2 (besides Finlay in the newest episode), and there has been no talk about the events in Margrave other than Reacher mentioning that Joe died
Right? They don't have all those bright lights buffets and nice buildings because they LOSE. Casinos exist to trick people into thinking they can win and willingly part with their money.
Casinos don't actually care if the marks are counting cards. In fact, they love it. "Counting cards" is only a problem when the mark can count cards _accurately_ and _reliably_ . (The grift is supposed to enrich the casino, not the casino's "guests". Playing well enough to beat the house is "cheating".)
@@alanv3185you just take the count that you get store that as running count, then divide that by the number of decks remaining (estimated using how many decks have been played) and that new number is your true count, its equivalent to a single deck game with 4th grade math
I've been kicked out of almost every online bookmaker because I bet smart, on higher odds. Although it's not cheating, the bookies don't like winners and they kicked me out cold, without explanation. That is why casinos and bookmakers cannot be in red. They keep those who lose and throw out those who can take their money. It's unfair, but the law is on their side.
So by that standard & logic; Legal system & Gov't should also be banned. They don't like it when you learn their game & win. Oh, yeah, and they are run by organized criminals.
The only part of this thats unlikely is the free tickets lol usually they just tell suspected counters their play is too good for the casino and tell them they can play anything but blackjack. Everyone knows counting is legal when its done manually, they just ban you from the tables.
My late husband was counting cards at a river casino. We were visited several times by management to let us know that they knew. It was not a problem for the casino at that time because the excitement of him winning was making more people play.
lol nah, they would just ban her from the table. they DO NOT want her coming back. people who tell you the casino is okay with losing a little money are not casino owners for a reason. @@DutchTDK
casinos really dont care if gamblers win. they know they will just put it all back in again. casinos dont rely on any tricks. they just let addicts do their thing.
@@massimo4307 Well, there wouldn't be a lawsuit. Atlantic City casinos follow another rule which is that they are allowed to kick out any member of a casino for any reason besides card counting, which means they could simply say "people felt uncomfortable with you" or even just "we didn't like the color of your shoes". They still do this thousands of times per day to card counters but are just told they can't call it card counting and its 10000000% legal.
This would never happen this way in real life lol. Blackjack players get backed off ALL the time, and it's 100% allowed by the casino to do so, and also very common.
Man I was at Chumash and I only won a grand and they gave me a extra 100 bucks “hot seat” and 10 free drinks. I got black out drunk (started at poker) last thing I remember I was doing $50 hands at black Jack not knowing I’d wake up with $3700 and before we left the next morning they gave us another night and I mad another $400 lol never gambling again
Just a horrible EV move. I don't remember exactly, but against a 5, depending on the count, I'm sure youre supposed to double the 8. And you double the 10 no matter the count. But then again, it's been a few years.
Yall forget she's a guest of the chief of security, his boss. So he honestly had no leg to stand on as he would have been reprimanded and she would sip wine in her suite.
Wow beginners luck really does exist. I can’t tell if they purposely wrote her to have never done this before or if they just have no idea how card counting works.
It's an unorthodox move, but it worked, guessing the dealer's hole card was a ten and a ten is coming out next. Maybe she's redefining how to play black jack 😂
People do not understand how counting cards works. First, it has nothing to do with math or being a genius. With some practice anyone could do it. Second, you don't automatically start winning. You just gain a very slight edge over the casino, which could be exploited if you had endless time and money.
@@DenizCDemir You don’t “do math” at the table, but counting cards absolutely has something to do with math. The whole strategy is built on statistics.
@@DenizCDemir Never said that they were “calculating possibilities”, dunce. You said counting cards had “nothing to do with math”, which is just wrong, plain and simple.
Today’s dialog in moves is too perfect. Everyone speaks without a pause and every word is carefully chosen. Leaving a unrealistic feeling. It’s like no one needs to think about what they are going to say.
Counting cards isn't illegal but trespassing is, which is why in real life when they know you're counting cards they'll tell you to leave. As soon as they do you have to leave or you're trespassing.
They still legally have to pay you out before making you leave though. Since they are withholding your property (the money you are owed via the casino chips), they can't make you leave till you're paid out. If a casino refuses to pay you out while trying to kick you out, call the cops and file a report with the state gambling boards. Most of the time the cops in those areas will side with the gambler to keep the peace, and know the law with how these casino's try to pull these stunts. Casino's can't just ban you without paying you out. Plain and simple.
@@solidmoon8266 What stops you from coming back the next day ? If I'm kicked out of a nightclub, there is nothing preventing me from trying to come back the next day ? (and be kicked out again, but that's another story).
@@MrGaters34 As far as I know they can get a notice of trespass / trespass order which bars you from entering the premises. Kind of like a restraining order for a place. If you violate that you are trespassing and can be arrested.
Card counting isn’t illegal anywhere in the US as far as I know, but as a private business casinos have a right to refuse any player for any reason. Card counting doesn’t guarantee you’ll always win but it shifts odds in your favor which if the casino allows to continue could lead to a loss of money for them.
Its not against the law to count cards, but it's also not against the law for them to limit your hands and not allow you to change bets during a shoe; which is what happens when they catch on
Casino War is the best game ever to count cards in. Fill all the seats with your bankroll, then pay attention and profit. I used to fund nights out back in the day. Bummer they damn near deleted the game entirely from Vegas. Last I checked, there were like two places to play it. On top of that, they cranked the single hand buy-in to like ten dollars and would rarely ever even have a dealer there.
1: Casinos determine whether your counting cards based on the accuracy of your play to the deck's count.. Which staying on a 10 and an 8 (as separate hands) would be mistake. 2: doesn't matter if it's legal or not, she's being thrown off that table since the pit boss doesn't like her.
They determine it by your betting patterns. When the deck is hot you increase your bets 3 to 5 times. When it's cold you bet low. But demonstrating that would be too slow for a TV show.
There's no way this was written by an American: The dealer would NEVER coach a player. Counting cards isn't illegal but coaching a player unsolicited can open the casino up to a lawsuit.
@@krislewis63 ...that is literally coaching. To coach simply means "to give special instruction", so telling the playing to take a certain action (positive or negative) would fall under the definition.
sticking on 8 is rare enough that they might ensure you aren't just confused on what the rules are, but that can be clarified without coaching. Technically she didn't coach, just ensured the player understood what her hands were.
There is no way you've ever been to an American casino where they will often coach the players. No one can be sued for telling you that you are statistically making a mistake. The decision of what to do is still in the hands of the player. Dealers make their money off tips when you win, it is within their interest to coach people.
In the old days back in Vegas they would take you to the back room out of view of the public, give you the works like a few broken bones and black eyes, drive you miles out of town into the desert and abandon you just because the “house didn’t win”. But then again, back in those days the casino’s were all run by mobsters and the house never lost.😮
@@manriquedanielmarperez7995 yes, before the 1990s when the mob used all their casino winnings to move on to legit businesses. Then the corporations took over.
no reason to stand on an 8 or a 10 if you're sure there's lots of face cards in the deck. you can't bust and especially with the 10 you're likely to get 20 or 21.
not sure if my logic tracks but if shes already split 5's and shes sure the next card busts the dealer then thats a guaranteed win on 2 hands instead of a possible 21 on one hand
@@mcleandickson7640 no such thing as a guaranteed win. counting cards doesn't work that way. all you can do is improve your chances and hitting would at least protect against an unlikely non-face card.
That dealer was as unprofessional as it gets. I was a dealer in the pit. You NEVER "coach" a player on what to do or not do. believe me if a player wants to make a bad call, the house is happy as can be. They would still notice she is counting and not like it, even boot her out, but, the dealer would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER tell them how to play their hand.
Card counters make money by adjusting their bets to the true count. The first and only intervention by a pit boss would just force a suspected card counter to stick to a flat bet.
The real life experience is a Floor Manager walks up to you and "backs you off" meaning you arent allowed to even play table games in their casino any longer.
One way casinos defeat card counter is called “flat betting” the effective counter. In this method, a card counter is disallowed from varying their bet on any given shoe. Whatever bet they place on the first bet of the show is the only bet they are allowed to make for the entire show. I’ve had this done to me. In response, I would “back count”. Back counting is a method wherein the counter observes other players, then starts betting (big) once the count is high. In response, the casino then disallows mid shoe entry for the counter. My local tribal casinos all have such tactics in place for me. I can no longer count cards (effectively) in my county.
It's bout knowing when it's time to bet strong. Or when the odds do not favor your winning U aren't guaranteed a win. But it gives you a viable strategy. To be. In an advantageous overlook position when you know which cards have no chance to be reappearing
In reality, you’d always hit 8 and 10 vs 5. Would have been more realistic if she played an actual counting deviation. I know movies like to get the small things right, that would be one of them
This seems like actually a good way to handle the situation. The tickets are something they probably had for free and they got her off the tables without causing a scene or losing a customer.
I remember hearing something like "It's not illegal to count cards but if you're really good at it and you're winning nonstop then the casino will find some way to say 'you're too good for us, you have to leave.'" That's why the house always wins, if they start losing then they just break the game.
I saw an interview with a casino head of security once, and he said that so few people are skilled enough at counting cards to make it pay off, that they don't care if someone looks as if they are doing it. They almost welcome it because most people who think they can do it lose their shirts.
I love how in tv and movies they make it seem like an easy thing to do quickly solo. When in reality you’re sitting for hours on end (often in teams) losing hand after hand and losing money.
You know you have been to too many casinos around the country when you recognize the dealer on a TV show is an actual dealer in real life! Thank goodness I stopped going as of 8 yrs ago.
This should be common knowledge against anyone who is gambling. If they think you're counting cards, they can ask you to leave. It doesn't have to be illegal for them to kick you out. Another words there are private establishment and they can refuse service to anyone at any time for any reason. As long as they're not discriminating against a protected class, and card counters are not a protected class.
I remember in my early blackjack days, I was in the first chair and sitting on like 14 and asked for a hit, but the people in the other chairs were groaning. The dealer acted like he didn't hear me and refused to hit me and all the players ended up winning as a result, including me. Never forgot that, lol.
"Ma'am, you're using your intelligence to rig a game in your favor in an establishment whose entire business model is rigging games in OUR favor. We find this unethical, so we're gonna have to ask you to leave."
They really should have gotten a real card counting consultant for this scene, this is not at all how card counting works. You would never, EVER stand on 8, and card counters cannot predict the next card, they just know what the odds of a face card coming out are. The only exception might be if you're shuffle tracking, but you would still never stand on 8 and the order of your tracked slug is not going to be this precise.
They’ll never kick you out if you count cards and bet consistently. But you can’t profit from that. Most people (who counts cards) bet minimum when the count is low (unlikely for house to bust), and bet high when count is high. So many often has team, one to always low and signal crews (secretly) in when it’s high.
It’s funny because he is the most polite security man casino guy I’ve seen. Most of the times they tell tales of how this guys don’t let you cash out. This one even gave her a suit!
My dad is really good at gambling. The casinos often give him free stuff like those tickets. They also repeatedly give us free rooms or gifts to entice my dad to come back to the casino/hotel in the hopes they’d get their money back from him. Sometimes they do, he’s not invincible - but he makes sure they don’t win much back. And eventually he wins again. It’s like a big tug of war but dad always wins since they keep giving us free stuff like the rooms, appliances, cruise ship tickets, free dining at their restaurants, free movies, concerts, shows, etc. That’s when I realized dad wasn’t gambling for the money so much. He was gambling for all the free shit. We’ve literally been to the Bahamas 3 times for free thanks to the casinos, Bermuda twice, Hawaii and New Orleans once.
Ridiculous, casinos don't care about card counting. It became a huge issue because there was a group where 1 would sit and count and then call in their friends when the count was good
Thats the softest walk of all time. Usually it’s a squeeze on the shoulder, “come with me, you show your face again and we’re gonna have a problem” type situation.
It's not illegal to count cards inside OR outside your head. It's simply against most casinos' house rules.
One of the reasons I won’t go to a casino… cause why is it illegal to count cards if I’m betting my money ON CARDS. Stupid fcking logic even if they aim to make money. As long as I’m not writing out shit that passes etc and it’s in my head why are you even bothering. It’s called memory and it’s not a crime
Which is dumb, the only game being skilled is bad
@@TheTinyChinee: That's why you have to lose every so often, that way they won't catch on, but I guess ego is a big factor with some people, they can't let it go. 🤔🥴😒😮💨😮💨
@@brianlanders8028 or I just don’t go lmao. You can call wanting to win ego but either way you have to lose almost as much as you win to not get called out. And that makes no sense. If I win 50k and lose 5k that’s likely still too much winning to losing
Shit I got banned from a Riverboat casino for having Great luck one night. First from Blackjack after an amazing run and then I got two great payouts on the Slots. After that all games were off limits. I could only eat at restaurant or drink at bar. Thing is I rarely Gamble it was purely luck Casinos don't want you to win too much. They didn't off me no comps either.
It's not illegal to count cards. But it's also not illegal for a private company, i.e. a casino, to ask you to leave for any reason.
depends on the country/state. but definitely the case in nevada
This scene took place in AC, where casinos CANNOT bar you for counting cards.
That's not true. They can't say they are kicking you out because you are of Mexican descent.
@@Moosetick2002 This is what happens in the MODERN world (as in, outside the USA). In the USA they simply don't want to buy a shuffling machine and claim counting cards is illegal, or refuse entry (which is also illegal outside most of the USA unless they have a legal reason. If you choose to be open to the public, you're open to the public, makes sense, right?)
"But it's also not illegal for a private company, i.e. a casino, to ask you to leave for any reason"...Be a baker and have some sexual deviant come to your private company/business demanding you to bake some disgusting cake for them, then you will see the bullshit behind what you posted.
Dealers never talk back. Ever.
She was like, "Ma'am, you're showing ten and eight on two of your hands." and my eyebrow went so far up my forehead I could see the editor who cut this scene. Snark that hard deserves a promotion to pit boss.
Why? I talk to the dealers all the time, they’re usually pretty chill, sometimes funny
@@alyx5213 you're right, they're friendly. This "dealer" in this TV show was giving attitude, aka "talking back". Dealers are super friendly, they don't give you attitude or talk back or insult you.
@@alyx5213 He meant, "critique play".
In Russia probably. We have full blown conversations with the dealers at the hard Rock.
Casinos don't care what you do as long as you are losing money to them.
Hit a big jackpot on a slot machine and watch them refuse to pay saying that the machine is broken.
Actually counting cards is one of the only things you can do to get kicked out of a casino
Not really, i've seen videos from people winning alots of $$ from casino and got banned for doing nothing but winning and not losing your money to them.
@@AlanGresov 😂 🧢 🤡
@@stanleychai4311 Dana White one of them because he won millions from black jack
Well they're the ones losing money. To me
Casinos are for fools. They enjoy taking your money but won't tolerate you taking theirs.
Well of course, it's a business.
Depends why you're there. If you're there to "make money", then yes, you're a fool. But many people go just for entertainment sake - and if they're entertained and OK losing money, they're not fools.
That's not true, casinos pay-off well. The odds it will be you is the gamble
@@bleh9906 I didn't say they won't pay, I said they won't tolerate it. They will invite you to leave, or try and distract you with drinks, comps, etc.
@@MrSlowestD16 Certainly. Who doesn't enjoy losing money?
Counting cards boosts your odds to barely 51%. You have to grind through a lot of hands for the +EV to surface and if you have a bad run, you’ll blow out your whole bankroll before you get there. TV shows always make it seem like your odds of winning are 100%.
Right. They make it seem like you know every card in the deck, instead of "10s are more likely than non-10s" or vice versa.
For real, I don't understand "counting cards". Doesn't literally every card player "count cards"? In other games like poker you're literally gambling based entirely off of what everyone can count.
@@bradl.602I thought the same thing until I did actual research on the subject and ended up feeling real dumb at all the statistical stuff I couldn't understand. I only went to 2 years of high school but tbf I think statistics is college level or something.
@@bradl.602you aren't playing against the house when you play poker
@@bradl.602 in casinos these days they usually use 8 decks for blackjack afaik so the counting advantage is greatly reduced *and* it's no longer trivial to keep track of the count at that point. With 2 decks you could reasonably do it and use that info to gain like a 2% edge on the house.
Casinos don't care if you count cards. They don't even care if you count cards and win. What they don't like is you counting cards and winning big.
-Oscar Isaac The Card Counter
Because it's made to keep the average person at the bottom
The Helsinki casino only banned card counting because it slowed down the game, making the table less profitable. Most counters were bad enough that it didn't matter otherwise.
That's not true though. If you're counting and losing, they'll still throw you out.
@@2011blueman not my experience. If I was losing money they were happy to keep me there. If I was winning money I would see security slowly circling the tables like sharks, but nothing serious. It's kind of like in this scene. Sometimes they will offer you certain tickets or upgrades or they would kindly ask you to leave.
Most people at casinos are gamblers, and even if they have the concentration to keep the running total in their head they still approach the game from a gambler's mindset, that they can beat the odds so they end up losing anyway.
The professional advantage players won't sit at a slot machine or throw dice, because they know the odds are against them.
In real life: ma'am back off, your play is too strong. You're no longer allowed to play our table games. You may continue to gamble at the slot machines but table games are now restricted. If you're caught attempting to play our table games you will be trespassed from the property
In real life they'd let her keep playing because under no circumstances do you stand on a 10 and an 8 regardless of what the count is.
In real life every casino has had automatically shuffling card shoes for several decades, and "counting cards" and playing like this would only raise eyebrows whether she is mentally fit to stay at the casino (IQ 80).
Ye dumbest play ever.@@Kanders190
Thank you. @@Kanders190
I hate when Im trespassed from a property
Isn't it amazing that they have a rule against, y'know, THINKING about the game you're playing so that you make good decisions? What a completely reasonable policy.
Well you're supposed to gamble, not to play smart.
That's the idea
@@michaelblueknight1268it's still a gamble. Counting cards doesn't guarantee you winning.
@@michaelblueknight1268 🤡
Card counting isn't playing by the house rules though and it's their rules.
You enter any premises or game knowing the rules which you've agreed too. It's your choice to then make a smart decision to play or not
they only apply it on people who are earning fucktons of money. it's the same thing as throttling people who abuse ISPs, or scalp concert tickets - if they're taking action you are being quite a scumbag.
Casinos: "come play!"
Also casinos: "we don't like that you can win our flawed games, get out"
I was kicked out of the Nevada Club in the 1980s in Reno when two big men showed up with the pit boss and he said, "sir take your winnings cash them in and leave the casino." Yes, I was counting in my head and I didn't want to get busted up so I said nothing, cashed in and left. Nowadays, most casinos have two or more decks which I can't count well enough to make any profit.
My brain isn't braining this out. Part of me thinks that counting two identical decks should be the same math problem as one deck. But then I don't disbelieve you, either and I see a bunch of people saying the same thing.
Loving this series!! Just that one line where he’s talking to the cop-
“And where’d you get those guns?”
“I got them from the guys I killed.”
😂😂😂
What is the series? It looks interesting.
@@ShinArkin Reacher on Prime. And lucky you- there are now two complete seasons up!
@@ShinArkin Reacher
Loved her in Smallville as Zatanna
Damn so her and Reacher were on Smallville I was unaware of that
@@amalfavon94You don't mess with the Smallville Investigators
Now I want either a tome wellington or a michael Rosenbaum cameo.
That's who she is!!! I knew I recognized but couldn't remember from where 😅. Thanks!
She was my crush man ❤
Its not about the casino, its about the kick ass team Reacher leads . Loyal to the book series, and therefore, ......somebody's gonna get hurt real bad!.
Yo 600 likes on your comment. I hope this series keeps going.
@@dcijluther4015 I've read the books for years. Now his son is a co writer. I too love the series. Have a great evening.
@@wayne4050🏁🎖️✊🎅🥋👏
The first ten were great, then they went downhill fast sadly. :(
I was a dealer and pit supervisor for years and no card counter would ever stay on 8 or 10 lol. And while not illegal the casino can and will kick you out if they suspect you're counting cards. You'd think this know-it-all would understand that simple point.
In Atlantic City (where this scene takes place), casinos cannot kick you out for counting cards.
yea, an 8 v 5 is a hit. Period. There's not even an illustrious 18 deviation. I might double an 8 v a dealer 5 with a true count of +8
This scene seems like a pretty weak attempt to convey "female smart. Female confident. Female strong and independent."
@@We_Are_Borg_478 Do you pathetic incels have to troll *_every_* comment thread? Give it a rest.
Of curiosity, what is a good way to do that? Do you have an example of a show that did that but well?@@We_Are_Borg_478
I like how "Hollywood" does it like this. Card counters get told they can't play blackjack anymore. Period. No comps. No suites. Just told "no blackjack."
Hollywood perpetuates the myth that card counting somehow means the player knows exactly what the next card will be.
The most accurate thing about this clip is the casino giving her comps. If a player is dumb enough to not double down on a ten when the dealer is showing a five, then the casino will want to keep them around as long as possible.
Being bad at math apparently relaxes her.
100%. Nobody counting cards will play their hands this way. Hollywood. Deck presumably had a true count of more low cards, the most that would have changed are doubling decisions. The math will never favor standing on an unbustable hand and nobody knows what exact order the cards will come out.
@@coachk2450 if you're a counter you know better than to presume the count. I agree with the rest you said though. Also shuffle tracking is a real skill and some are amazing at it and can predict cards. I fell into its rabbit hole on the forums one night
😂😂Most blackjack tables run a five deck shoe abd will switch shoes before the half way point to defeat counting.
Not only is this true but it's the reason why somewhere in every casino is a sundries with a book on card counting.
Don't matter when instinct is at play ...Even with 7 decks in the shu...but then Ive been banned from many Casinos 😂
@@user-ie6bg9lb1v "instinct" is just another word for guessing, SWAG at the very best.
some have continuous shufflers too
Most shoes are 6 or 8 decks, at least in the US. And they don't "switch shoes" before the cut card. JFC at the misinformation in these comments.
As Mario Puzo said : Behind every great fortune (like the great fortunes of casino owners) is a crime...
I can’t believe you, not only explained the whole point like everyone reading your comment is 5 yo, you explained it in the most forced, awkward way possible. Craziness
Honorè de Balzac....
Love this woman character.. Reacher, don't let her go..
what about rosco
@@kissofdeath580haven’t seen anyone from season 1 in season 2 (besides Finlay in the newest episode), and there has been no talk about the events in Margrave other than Reacher mentioning that Joe died
@@jamiesongoyette-connerty7181 Reacher is a nomad in search of troubles to resolve. He doesn't stay in one place.
Yet, no-one talks about her eyebrows?
Forget about it. There’s 29 books in the Reacher series. You’ll very seldom see the same characters again.
Casino will kick you out if you win to much … end of discussion
Except the rules get bent a little with high rollers.
Right? They don't have all those bright lights buffets and nice buildings because they LOSE. Casinos exist to trick people into thinking they can win and willingly part with their money.
@@deathbytheblade6757 high rollers are high loosers. Casino aren’t in the business of giving money, period.
@@deathbytheblade6757of course, because they lose the most.
@@deathbytheblade6757
definitely whales are treated differently -
Serinda Swan is an awesome actor. I remember her from Percy Jackson 2010 and she was great in Ballers with the Rock.
And I wasn’t big on Smallville but she did play my favorite dc female character (Zatanna).
@@marvelousedits692 I just saw her on an episode of Psych as well.
Woah woah woah who was she in Percy Jackson 😮
@@TheTinyChinee I’m pretty sure she was Aphrodite at the end when Percy, Anna, and Grover return the lightning bolt to Zeus.
@@TheTinyChinee I just rewatched the two movies after watching the new series on Disney. Wanted a refresher.
Casinos don't actually care if the marks are counting cards. In fact, they love it.
"Counting cards" is only a problem when the mark can count cards _accurately_ and _reliably_ .
(The grift is supposed to enrich the casino, not the casino's "guests". Playing well enough to beat the house is "cheating".)
True that. Many cars counters do it wrong. The one one depicted here was also doing it wrong. See my comment below.
Most casinos nowadays use more than one deck. Not sure if that makes card counting impossible or just a lot more difficult
Yeah they would never kick out a “counter” that stood on a 10 and 8
@alanv3185
Use five decks and burn off fifty cards and counting isn't such an advantage.
@@alanv3185you just take the count that you get store that as running count, then divide that by the number of decks remaining (estimated using how many decks have been played) and that new number is your true count, its equivalent to a single deck game with 4th grade math
I've been kicked out of almost every online bookmaker because I bet smart, on higher odds. Although it's not cheating, the bookies don't like winners and they kicked me out cold, without explanation.
That is why casinos and bookmakers cannot be in red. They keep those who lose and throw out those who can take their money. It's unfair, but the law is on their side.
Love me some reacher❤
So does she.
They will gladly take your money all day every day but they hate to lose period..
That was the most polite back off ever 😂
Casinos should be made Illegal. Normally, run by Organised Crime. The Establishment gets Upset when you Win.
i like to think of it as social darwinism. if youre dumb enough to gamble beyond your means, then going destitute is well deserved
establish sharia law, you'll get what you want.
So by that standard & logic; Legal system & Gov't should also be banned. They don't like it when you learn their game & win. Oh, yeah, and they are run by organized criminals.
The only part of this thats unlikely is the free tickets lol usually they just tell suspected counters their play is too good for the casino and tell them they can play anything but blackjack. Everyone knows counting is legal when its done manually, they just ban you from the tables.
My late husband was counting cards at a river casino. We were visited several times by management to let us know that they knew. It was not a problem for the casino at that time because the excitement of him winning was making more people play.
it's a cheap way to get you to leave. tickets to a show already in progress just to get you off the table without making a scene
I would venture to guess, that the key members of staff had been made aware of the special guests in the casino that night.
lol nah, they would just ban her from the table. they DO NOT want her coming back. people who tell you the casino is okay with losing a little money are not casino owners for a reason. @@DutchTDK
Standing on a 10 and 8 is the most unlikely part
Merry Christmas Reacher
They get mad when you're smarter than they are. Ego is a hell of a drug.
Good to sea Serinda Swan getting some spotlight. Always considered her underrated and underachiever.
Casinos hate it when you make money 😂
casinos really dont care if gamblers win.
they know they will just put it all back in again.
casinos dont rely on any tricks.
they just let addicts do their thing.
“Yes ma’am it is not illegal. Get out.”
In Atlantic City it would be illegal to kick someone out for counting cards. So, have fun with that lawsuit lol.
nope, but good luck finding a table with good payouts. and they will limit your bets anyway@@massimo4307
@@massimo4307if they say it's because they dont like you winning this much, would that be legal?
@@massimo4307 Well, there wouldn't be a lawsuit. Atlantic City casinos follow another rule which is that they are allowed to kick out any member of a casino for any reason besides card counting, which means they could simply say "people felt uncomfortable with you" or even just "we didn't like the color of your shoes". They still do this thousands of times per day to card counters but are just told they can't call it card counting and its 10000000% legal.
@@Jacknorrington There would still be a lawsuit. Judges and courts aren't stupid and the casino isn't above the law lol
What a smart ass...
This would never happen this way in real life lol. Blackjack players get backed off ALL the time, and it's 100% allowed by the casino to do so, and also very common.
Man I was at Chumash and I only won a grand and they gave me a extra 100 bucks “hot seat” and 10 free drinks. I got black out drunk (started at poker) last thing I remember I was doing $50 hands at black Jack not knowing I’d wake up with $3700 and before we left the next morning they gave us another night and I mad another $400 lol never gambling again
i will believe this story only if it was your first time, because the black jack gods love virgins
You’re definitely gambling again.
Its always funny how stupid people write what they think smart people are like
"how can i hide the fact that i'm counting cards, i know i'll stand on a 10 and an 8" loooool
Nicest backoff in history 😅😅
Lol. Card counters aren't standing on 8 or 10. If actual casinos saw that they would do everything in their power to keep her at the table
Just a horrible EV move. I don't remember exactly, but against a 5, depending on the count, I'm sure youre supposed to double the 8. And you double the 10 no matter the count.
But then again, it's been a few years.
@@thefinestfootage1757 Almost never double on 8
@@asb2s but an 8v5, you double on TC7 with Zen count
@@thefinestfootage1757correct. Good ol Zen has made me a lot of money 🤑
"Which isn't illegal if you do it in your head" no it isn't... but they can bar you from the Casino
"Counting cards" just means you are good at the game. People that good at the game are not wanted in casinos.
@@johnwalker3602 ... Yeah... like I said
@@johnwalker3602 Counting cards actually has little to do with the actual gameplay and everything to do with betting strategy.
Yeah, its a line that I think is supposed to make her look smart But its just dumb.
Yall forget she's a guest of the chief of security, his boss. So he honestly had no leg to stand on as he would have been reprimanded and she would sip wine in her suite.
Reality - Mam you're winning, that's not allowed
Wow beginners luck really does exist.
I can’t tell if they purposely wrote her to have never done this before or if they just have no idea how card counting works.
It's an unorthodox move, but it worked, guessing the dealer's hole card was a ten and a ten is coming out next. Maybe she's redefining how to play black jack 😂
People do not understand how counting cards works. First, it has nothing to do with math or being a genius. With some practice anyone could do it. Second, you don't automatically start winning. You just gain a very slight edge over the casino, which could be exploited if you had endless time and money.
Nothing to do with math? I’m not sure you understand how counting cards works.
@@davidrich27 Yeah you literally count up and down. You dont calculate. Its about pratice, memory and focus.
@@DenizCDemir You don’t “do math” at the table, but counting cards absolutely has something to do with math. The whole strategy is built on statistics.
@@davidrich27 Lmao, talking as if every card counter is running possibility calculations. Bro you just count up and down, sorry to burst your bubble.
@@DenizCDemir Never said that they were “calculating possibilities”, dunce. You said counting cards had “nothing to do with math”, which is just wrong, plain and simple.
Today’s dialog in moves is too perfect. Everyone speaks without a pause and every word is carefully chosen. Leaving a unrealistic feeling. It’s like no one needs to think about what they are going to say.
Casinos are chicken shits. As long as you're losing everything is ok. Start winning, problems.
Like what
@@loucyphers_nightmare you're banned.
@@JohnClark-qt3qx : Casinos don't ban you for winning
Counting cards isn't illegal but trespassing is, which is why in real life when they know you're counting cards they'll tell you to leave. As soon as they do you have to leave or you're trespassing.
They still legally have to pay you out before making you leave though. Since they are withholding your property (the money you are owed via the casino chips), they can't make you leave till you're paid out.
If a casino refuses to pay you out while trying to kick you out, call the cops and file a report with the state gambling boards. Most of the time the cops in those areas will side with the gambler to keep the peace, and know the law with how these casino's try to pull these stunts.
Casino's can't just ban you without paying you out. Plain and simple.
@@solidmoon8266 What stops you from coming back the next day ?
If I'm kicked out of a nightclub, there is nothing preventing me from trying to come back the next day ? (and be kicked out again, but that's another story).
@@MrGaters34 As far as I know they can get a notice of trespass / trespass order which bars you from entering the premises. Kind of like a restraining order for a place. If you violate that you are trespassing and can be arrested.
And they share your face across various casinos in the city so you can be immediately removed from any casino.
Where is that Thad Castle scream, have been waiting too long from Reacher 😂
Card counting isn’t illegal anywhere in the US as far as I know, but as a private business casinos have a right to refuse any player for any reason. Card counting doesn’t guarantee you’ll always win but it shifts odds in your favor which if the casino allows to continue could lead to a loss of money for them.
Its not against the law to count cards, but it's also not against the law for them to limit your hands and not allow you to change bets during a shoe; which is what happens when they catch on
Stunning and brave math genius.
Casino War is the best game ever to count cards in. Fill all the seats with your bankroll, then pay attention and profit. I used to fund nights out back in the day. Bummer they damn near deleted the game entirely from Vegas. Last I checked, there were like two places to play it. On top of that, they cranked the single hand buy-in to like ten dollars and would rarely ever even have a dealer there.
1: Casinos determine whether your counting cards based on the accuracy of your play to the deck's count.. Which staying on a 10 and an 8 (as separate hands) would be mistake.
2: doesn't matter if it's legal or not, she's being thrown off that table since the pit boss doesn't like her.
They determine it by your betting patterns. When the deck is hot you increase your bets 3 to 5 times. When it's cold you bet low.
But demonstrating that would be too slow for a TV show.
There's no way this was written by an American: The dealer would NEVER coach a player. Counting cards isn't illegal but coaching a player unsolicited can open the casino up to a lawsuit.
Dealer wasn't coaching. She knew she was about to lose, and was trying to get the player to take her bust card.
@@krislewis63 ...that is literally coaching. To coach simply means "to give special instruction", so telling the playing to take a certain action (positive or negative) would fall under the definition.
You're right. The dealer never says anything to anyone about how to play their cards.
sticking on 8 is rare enough that they might ensure you aren't just confused on what the rules are, but that can be clarified without coaching. Technically she didn't coach, just ensured the player understood what her hands were.
There is no way you've ever been to an American casino where they will often coach the players. No one can be sued for telling you that you are statistically making a mistake. The decision of what to do is still in the hands of the player. Dealers make their money off tips when you win, it is within their interest to coach people.
In the old days back in Vegas they would take you to the back room out of view of the public, give you the works like a few broken bones and black eyes, drive you miles out of town into the desert and abandon you just because the “house didn’t win”. But then again, back in those days the casino’s were all run by mobsters and the house never lost.😮
"back in THOSE days"?
@@manriquedanielmarperez7995 yes, before the 1990s when the mob used all their casino winnings to move on to legit businesses. Then the corporations took over.
You read too many crime novels.
She did say “Win” in TRON: Legacy 😂
Newly shuffled deck, dealer had a 3, i sat on 12, everyone shocked, dealer went to many, everyone shocked
no reason to stand on an 8 or a 10 if you're sure there's lots of face cards in the deck. you can't bust and especially with the 10 you're likely to get 20 or 21.
not sure if my logic tracks but if shes already split 5's and shes sure the next card busts the dealer then thats a guaranteed win on 2 hands instead of a possible 21 on one hand
@@mcleandickson7640 no such thing as a guaranteed win. counting cards doesn't work that way. all you can do is improve your chances and hitting would at least protect against an unlikely non-face card.
Taking a 10 changes the count.
@@oldfrend understood, thank you for the insight
Dunno how counting works huh
Biggest thing casino's hate is winners.
All the internet experts chiming in 😂😂😂
There are no distracting TVs in any casino.
Yes, there are, in the casino I work at, there's about a half dozen right in the middle of the pit
where i do my duties from time to time, you can see screens at sport bar. edmontonians will not come if they cant check on hockey 😂
That dealer was as unprofessional as it gets. I was a dealer in the pit. You NEVER "coach" a player on what to do or not do. believe me if a player wants to make a bad call, the house is happy as can be. They would still notice she is counting and not like it, even boot her out, but, the dealer would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER tell them how to play their hand.
It depends on the table game.
Card counters make money by adjusting their bets to the true count. The first and only intervention by a pit boss would just force a suspected card counter to stick to a flat bet.
The real life experience is a Floor Manager walks up to you and "backs you off" meaning you arent allowed to even play table games in their casino any longer.
One of the the best tv shows
So what is it? I’ve been scrolling comments trying to find out
@shadowqueen6395 Reacher, its on Prime
One way casinos defeat card counter is called “flat betting” the effective counter. In this method, a card counter is disallowed from varying their bet on any given shoe. Whatever bet they place on the first bet of the show is the only bet they are allowed to make for the entire show.
I’ve had this done to me. In response, I would “back count”. Back counting is a method wherein the counter observes other players, then starts betting (big) once the count is high. In response, the casino then disallows mid shoe entry for the counter. My local tribal casinos all have such tactics in place for me. I can no longer count cards (effectively) in my county.
She is completely right, it is not illegal to count cards. It is also not illegal for the casino to not allow a card counter to play black jack
It's bout knowing when it's time to bet strong. Or when the odds do not favor your winning
U aren't guaranteed a win. But it gives you a viable strategy. To be. In an advantageous overlook position when you know which cards have no chance to be reappearing
In reality, you’d always hit 8 and 10 vs 5. Would have been more realistic if she played an actual counting deviation. I know movies like to get the small things right, that would be one of them
This dude can kick Ass!
ofc you're gonna have fun if you're Winning
They got a confident crew.
This seems like actually a good way to handle the situation. The tickets are something they probably had for free and they got her off the tables without causing a scene or losing a customer.
That sounds like an awesome concert actually
I remember hearing something like "It's not illegal to count cards but if you're really good at it and you're winning nonstop then the casino will find some way to say 'you're too good for us, you have to leave.'"
That's why the house always wins, if they start losing then they just break the game.
There's only about seven hundred comments here stating what you remember hearing, LOL.
Tiffany and Taylor Dayne performing their biggest hits! Short concert then 😂
Wow, that's a nice concert!
I saw an interview with a casino head of security once, and he said that so few people are skilled enough at counting cards to make it pay off, that they don't care if someone looks as if they are doing it. They almost welcome it because most people who think they can do it lose their shirts.
I love how in tv and movies they make it seem like an easy thing to do quickly solo. When in reality you’re sitting for hours on end (often in teams) losing hand after hand and losing money.
You know you have been to too many casinos around the country when you recognize the dealer on a TV show is an actual dealer in real life! Thank goodness I stopped going as of 8 yrs ago.
This should be common knowledge against anyone who is gambling. If they think you're counting cards, they can ask you to leave.
It doesn't have to be illegal for them to kick you out.
Another words there are private establishment and they can refuse service to anyone at any time for any reason. As long as they're not discriminating against a protected class, and card counters are not a protected class.
I remember in my early blackjack days, I was in the first chair and sitting on like 14 and asked for a hit, but the people in the other chairs were groaning. The dealer acted like he didn't hear me and refused to hit me and all the players ended up winning as a result, including me. Never forgot that, lol.
Her smug attitude is sooooo attractive 😒
"Ma'am, you're using your intelligence to rig a game in your favor in an establishment whose entire business model is rigging games in OUR favor. We find this unethical, so we're gonna have to ask you to leave."
This series of the Reacher is the best show on the screen
At least east she can comprehend basic game of blackjack😂
If only casinos were actually this nice 😂
They really should have gotten a real card counting consultant for this scene, this is not at all how card counting works. You would never, EVER stand on 8, and card counters cannot predict the next card, they just know what the odds of a face card coming out are. The only exception might be if you're shuffle tracking, but you would still never stand on 8 and the order of your tracked slug is not going to be this precise.
They’ll never kick you out if you count cards and bet consistently. But you can’t profit from that. Most people (who counts cards) bet minimum when the count is low (unlikely for house to bust), and bet high when count is high. So many often has team, one to always low and signal crews (secretly) in when it’s high.
Love a smart woman
It’s funny because he is the most polite security man casino guy I’ve seen. Most of the times they tell tales of how this guys don’t let you cash out. This one even gave her a suit!
Well, that is the most polite walk off I have ever seen.
They didn't want to cause problems because the chief of security was helping them on their case
BlackJack is one cold brew 😂😂😂
In my best Dustin Hoffmann voice. "We were counting cards. Me and Charlie Babbitt were counting cards, yeah." 😊
My dad is really good at gambling. The casinos often give him free stuff like those tickets. They also repeatedly give us free rooms or gifts to entice my dad to come back to the casino/hotel in the hopes they’d get their money back from him. Sometimes they do, he’s not invincible - but he makes sure they don’t win much back. And eventually he wins again. It’s like a big tug of war but dad always wins since they keep giving us free stuff like the rooms, appliances, cruise ship tickets, free dining at their restaurants, free movies, concerts, shows, etc.
That’s when I realized dad wasn’t gambling for the money so much. He was gambling for all the free shit. We’ve literally been to the Bahamas 3 times for free thanks to the casinos, Bermuda twice, Hawaii and New Orleans once.
debbie gibson was preforming when h.s.t. wrote fear in loathing in las vegas
If only it worked this way lol.
Even with counting your advantage is minuscule.
Ridiculous, casinos don't care about card counting. It became a huge issue because there was a group where 1 would sit and count and then call in their friends when the count was good
Thats the softest walk of all time. Usually it’s a squeeze on the shoulder, “come with me, you show your face again and we’re gonna have a problem” type situation.