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I really love the Orthodox priests and church due to their grasp and knowledge of history and theology. They truly remember all the Church history and theology, and they constantly talk about the Councils, the heresies, the creeds and doctrines. I guess this constant remembrance of all of their history is why they aren't susceptible to heresies and modernism. They remember that there is nothing knew under the sun whilst in the West, because we've forgotten our Christian history, are reinventing the wheel and are unarmed against the heresies of Arianism, Universalism, Gnosticism and Protestant legalism. The Orthodox remember their history and so already know why they are wrong.
Congratulations you sound like a Pharisee. The most important law is is love God and your neighbor as thyself all other laws are based on those two commandments.
I love the Greek explanation of salvation. The Protestant Legalism of explaining salvation as a legal transaction seemed so empty, loveless and ugly. But to explain salvation as "restoration and healing to the perfection God created us for" through union with the Holy Spirit and becoming "Christ-like" in form and action, is so rich, full and loving. It gives so much purpose to actually Act in the present and future whilst Protestants think of salvation as a one time event with nothing to add.
You are too general when u say it's just a legal transaction. I'm not sure why ur picking that out of Protestants when everyone believes that Christ is the lamb that atones for our sin...
@@arabniga I have found calvinists often focus on the legal transaction with Christ exclusively more than the inward process of salvation. And pentecostals seem to focus on spiritual experiences and gifts more than other things. I think Lutherans are closer to the orthodox within protestantism but still have major differences.
@@arabniga: The legal framework of the Protestant understanding of salvation is, sadly, a legal fiction. It declares a person righteous, while the person will never actually be righteous. There is no ontological transformation regarding salvation in Protestantism; there is only a change in disposition towards God in the part of the penitent. This is Luther’s “snow-covered dunghill” analogy in a nutshell; it is an heresy which was subsequently adopted by Calvin, Zwingli, Cranmer, Knox, and the other Reformers. There is also the morally reprehensible, and totally unjust, Protestant doctrines of Original Sin which makes a person guilty of a sin he/she never committed, and of penal substitution which pits the Father against the Son (and likewise diminishes the importance of the Incarnation and the resurrection). The Orthodox doctrine is transformative, wherein a person is actually made righteous through the process of the theosis, and has no theological problems like Original Sin nor Penal Substitutionary Atonement attached. As a person who knew his Protestant faith well and converted to Orthodoxy (I am also a postulant to the priesthood), I can say with the utmost certainty that the Protestant gospel is deficient, and at times, very dangerous. Come home to the one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church Jesus built, my friend. The Orthodox Church awaits you! ☦️
@@Orcneas23 you never emphasize Union in fact I'm surprised you're not talking about irenaeus there's no salvation if you're not participating in the body and humanity of Christ and Calvinism has no gospel you're always start out with Greek dualism which I like to talk about you start out with separation trying to make this sleep between you to God which is impossible for me raises us up believing that is justifies us in our conscience and we repent because we know he's giving himself for us
One of my seminary professors once said that the only answer to the question "Are you saved?" is "Yes, I have been saved by Christ's life, death, and resurrection at Baptism, I am being saved as by grace I live out my life in Christ throughout my life, and I will be saved at the final resurrection when I shall enter into the eternal worship of God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." I should note that I am Episcopal priest who has been exploring the richness of the Eastern Church in my retirement.
Father, do not wait to enter into the glory of the Orthodox Light of Faith! So much grace is waiting, and life is shorter than we think! Please do not wait - time is against us and God is with our every step forward! Loving prayer, Presbytera Irene Matta M'Th
0:15 Being Saved Is a Lifelong process. What is the purpose of Baptism? 0:25 Baptism it the time we are completely joined to Christ. We die with him in the water, we rise with him, We become a new creation. We leave the "Old Man" behind. 0:50 Regeneration of Humanity 1:09 Baptism & Chrismation together, The Fullness of Grace. Followed immediately after with the 1st Taking of Communion. 1:59 Salvation is a gift. Salvation must be safeguarded by us, by living a life reflective of the will of God. You are not to go live like a heathen. 2:35 Your life has to be in obedience with God. In relationship. Until our last breathe. 3:00 The Goal is to go beyond restoring God's Image in us. To Reach The State of Perfection. To Be Perfected In His Likeness. 3:35 We Struggle to reach Theosis. 4:21 Greek Salvation means to Restore To Good Health. To Heal. 4:47 Christ is so dear. He took upon himself humanity. He restored humanity, made it perfect. 5:23 Made Humanity like himself, Eternal. Christ Defeated Death. 5:55 Salvation is NOT a jeridical Term. It is not a 1 time transactional forgiveness. 6:12 Salvation is a healed existence.
It's important to make the distinction between Catholic and Protestant theology of the West. The Orthodox view of Baptism is in perfect harmony with the Catholic view. So, too, is Orthodox soteriology, which Fr Panayiotis explained. Many of the great teachers of the Eastern Church are considered Doctors in the Catholic Church. The once-saved-always-saved penal substitutionary view of Christ's death on the Cross is not Catholic. Catholics speak of infused righteousness, ie as St Paul writes, "..because the love of God has been poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us" it doesn't speak of imputed righteousness; although like Fr Panayiotis mentioned, imputed righteousness is not a problem, as Baptism is more than symbolism, ie. it affects an ontological change in us: a washing, a regeneration, a new creation. We go from one degree of glory to another, from righteous to more righteous, in a state of grace, if we remain in Christ; obedient to his commandments and cooperative with the Holy Spirit. Theosis and theoria are very much in harmony with Catholic teaching, unlike what is broadly found in Protestantism (although Protestantism is all over the place theologically). We speak more frequently of divinization and contemplation, but they are corresponding terms. I actually prefer theosis myself, and theoria has less mis-associations that come with the term contemplative prayer. While Catholics speak of "satisfaction" being made on the Cross as one of many aspects of the crucifixion, this is NOT to be confused with penal substitution and its claim that the Father poured out his wrath on his beloved Son to make propitiation. Make note of what the Catechism states: "It is LOVE 'to the end' that confers on Christ's sacrifice its value as redemption and reparation, as atonement and satisfaction. He knew and loved us all when he offered His life." This corresponds to St Paul who writes, "...live in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God." Note "fragrant" which is something of beauty - a gift. Orthodox theology of the Cross is equally valid and rich in the meaning it draws out, and so too, the connected theology of the resurrection of our beloved Saviour. We enter, through baptism, into the great paschal mystery of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. Orthodox theology is affirmed and shared by the Catholic Church. I love your channel. I love and value Orthodox iconography very much. It is powerful for its beauty, precise theology and instruction. Your reverent and beautiful ancient liturgy is magnificent too. The video on St Xenia was especially moving. I now hold her in deep love and respect, and will call on her prayers when needed. Keep up the good work
We have many things in common with Catholics (though we are not ,as some would sustain, brothers) but the main problem is Catholic Church's lack of humility. It is hard for Catholic Church to accept they are WRONG (a common sin for any people...). So, the problem with Catholics (I mean Catholic clergy not ordinary believers) is that they want to belong to the Church of Christ without accepting their sin (mistake) of being wrong. By the way, there's an heresy that claims that Orthodox Church and Catholic Church are sisters. Christ has only ONE Church not two separated churches. You either belong to that Church or you are out of it. May God help you undestand that.
Faith working itself out in actions of love is simply reflecting who we are as new creations in Christ. Baptism is part of our identity in Christ, a kind of entrance into that New Covenant.
This is irrelevant to the video but could you guys perhaps do a short video on St Haralambos the one who was very old and suffered martyrdom, his bravery is inspiring and I would love to see you guys make a video sometime on him
@@Trisagionfilms so children born outside churvh are not sinners so they fo to heaven if they died before the age to know food and evil as per isaih 7:14. Does universalism offivialy condemed in eastern church. Do u know the oriental churches' perspective on unbiversalism.
I would like to add that Jesus is actually named Yeshua. and lo and behold, Yeshua means Salvation in hebrew. You find Jeshua in the Bible often. In those instances, the hebrew says Yeshua (ישוע). So in the septuagint, that name is translated to Iesous and latinized as Jesus. Yeshua ben Sirach and Yeshua Ben Ananias both have common translations to Jesus. It is just important I feel, to know how important the name is. It means Salvation.
@ChopinIsMyBestFriend - In a 'Religion for breakfast' video, a guest speaker who has detailed knowledge of names in the era says it is spelled "Yeshu' " with the apostrophe representing the "sneaky A" of the time. It was also the 6th most common name in the area at the time.
Can you please help me understand your baptism position? If a child is baptized, is it just a thought or an actual real empowerment and being joined to Christ, a new creation? Also, if it’s actual and real, if they never grow in faith, do they lose whatever it is they received at baptism? Is it a loss of something they once had?
Yes, when a child is baptized there is a clear empowerment and a union with Christ given to the child. Through Chrismation he/she is also given the Gift of the Holy Spirit. He/she becomes a Temple of the Holy Spirit. The child is given the potential to be the New Creation which is accomplished through union with Christ and his/her co-operation with the Grace of God given to them. If the child never grows in the Faith it does not lose that potential. The Holy Spirit still resides in him/her even as a spark awaiting his/her return toward God so that It may become a flame again. Fr. Panayiotis
@@Trisagionfilms thank you. I wasn’t raised in a Christian home, but came to faith in Christ at 25 yrs old, then was baptized 3 months later, life hadn’t been the same since. I’ve been in Protestant Evangelical church for 23 yrs, now thinking about Orthodoxy. There’s much to think about.
As a layperson and as a former Lutheran, I think that when a person (infant or adult) is baptized and chrismated, they get grafted in Christ and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (as Fr. Panayioitis writes). These gifts don't lose their validity and efficiency if the person never grow in faith, but what happens is that the person kinda "withers" spiritually, like a grafted branch that is not properly grown into one with the stem (because the person doesn't accept those gifts nor strive to get closer to God)... Similar (if not same) idea appears also in _The Shepherd of Hermas_ that is seen as one of the writings of 'Apostolic Fathers'.
His Doctorate is in Early Christian Studies (History and Theology of the Early Church). His dissertation was a "Thematic Analysis of the theology of St. John Chrysostom in his 32 Homilies on the Epistle to the Romans".
@@jakebarnes3054 He was literally baptized by John in the Jordan river. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is Chrismation. Not jumping around like crazy and having seizures on the ground
No it doesn't. John 3:5 says being born of water and spirit is necessary to enter the kingdom and in Matthew 19:14, Mark 10:13 and Luke 18:15-17 the Bible literally says Infants belong in the Kingdom. So they need to be born of water and spirit. And that refers to baptism, and the church always believed that.
Many ealry church fathers were batised after bevoming of age to reason even though we see baptiam from 3rd(having evidence may get more to extend dont know) evem in 6th and 6th century even traditions which prevents infants from baptism upto a certain age . It just confuses me .
The Early Christians baptized infants and said it was heresy if you don’t do it. So you disagree with the First Christians. In the Old Testament infants were circumcised before they were able to repent. And baptism is a fulfillment of the Old Testament church’s circumcision, because Baptism is the circumcision of the heart. You have no continuity. If you deny infant baptism then you must be against infant circumcision. Be consistent.
Baptism of those who sin must be preceded by repentance. But the Orthodox do not believe in "Original sin" as the Protestants do. Babies are not sinners. They come into the world pure. Predisposed to sin, perhaps, but not sinners. Considering this, denying the baptism of infants is the last thing we would wish to do in regards to baptism.
Do you believe that a believer will not go to heaven when at the death bed he is doing sinful act by lying and cursing? what about those priests that fell to sexual temptation and pass away before repenting? Are they going to hell or heaven?
That is a very good question! I believe we would say it is up to God. It is up to us to "Make every effort to enter through the narrow gate" (Luke 13:24) and to try to live in accordance with what the Lord has taught us and given us, and to "work out [our] salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12). However, our Lord Jesus Christ is the sole Judge in the end. I hope that helps! God bless!
It's also a declaration to the enemy. I'm on God's side, and will work to save others from your evil plans. One more soul working for the great commission.
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Amen
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‘Salvation is healing’. I have never heard it defined like this. Thank you very much.
I really love the Orthodox priests and church due to their grasp and knowledge of history and theology. They truly remember all the Church history and theology, and they constantly talk about the Councils, the heresies, the creeds and doctrines.
I guess this constant remembrance of all of their history is why they aren't susceptible to heresies and modernism. They remember that there is nothing knew under the sun whilst in the West, because we've forgotten our Christian history, are reinventing the wheel and are unarmed against the heresies of Arianism, Universalism, Gnosticism and Protestant legalism. The Orthodox remember their history and so already know why they are wrong.
¡Great response to all those sects which consider Baptism as the symbolic act for living under the wing of "justification"!
Congratulations you sound like a Pharisee. The most important law is is love God and your neighbor as thyself all other laws are based on those two commandments.
I love the Greek explanation of salvation. The Protestant Legalism of explaining salvation as a legal transaction seemed so empty, loveless and ugly.
But to explain salvation as "restoration and healing to the perfection God created us for" through union with the Holy Spirit and becoming "Christ-like" in form and action, is so rich, full and loving. It gives so much purpose to actually Act in the present and future whilst Protestants think of salvation as a one time event with nothing to add.
Amen! Orthodoxy is like experiential but not emotional faith. Experiencing God's love.
You are too general when u say it's just a legal transaction. I'm not sure why ur picking that out of Protestants when everyone believes that Christ is the lamb that atones for our sin...
@@arabniga
I have found calvinists often focus on the legal transaction with Christ exclusively more than the inward process of salvation. And pentecostals seem to focus on spiritual experiences and gifts more than other things.
I think Lutherans are closer to the orthodox within protestantism but still have major differences.
@@arabniga: The legal framework of the Protestant understanding of salvation is, sadly, a legal fiction. It declares a person righteous, while the person will never actually be righteous. There is no ontological transformation regarding salvation in Protestantism; there is only a change in disposition towards God in the part of the penitent. This is Luther’s “snow-covered dunghill” analogy in a nutshell; it is an heresy which was subsequently adopted by Calvin, Zwingli, Cranmer, Knox, and the other Reformers. There is also the morally reprehensible, and totally unjust, Protestant doctrines of Original Sin which makes a person guilty of a sin he/she never committed, and of penal substitution which pits the Father against the Son (and likewise diminishes the importance of the Incarnation and the resurrection).
The Orthodox doctrine is transformative, wherein a person is actually made righteous through the process of the theosis, and has no theological problems like Original Sin nor Penal Substitutionary Atonement attached. As a person who knew his Protestant faith well and converted to Orthodoxy (I am also a postulant to the priesthood), I can say with the utmost certainty that the Protestant gospel is deficient, and at times, very dangerous. Come home to the one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church Jesus built, my friend. The Orthodox Church awaits you! ☦️
@@Orcneas23 you never emphasize Union in fact I'm surprised you're not talking about irenaeus there's no salvation if you're not participating in the body and humanity of Christ and Calvinism has no gospel you're always start out with Greek dualism which I like to talk about you start out with separation trying to make this sleep between you to God which is impossible for me raises us up believing that is justifies us in our conscience and we repent because we know he's giving himself for us
I love all your vids! I really learn a lot and feel god when I watch it
I can relate to your words. Even we who create the videos are moved by them. God bless friend!
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Praise yeshua, thank u for this.
Thank you father for the cherished ,divine information.God bless you.
One of my seminary professors once said that the only answer to the question "Are you saved?" is "Yes, I have been saved by Christ's life, death, and resurrection at Baptism, I am being saved as by grace I live out my life in Christ throughout my life, and I will be saved at the final resurrection when I shall enter into the eternal worship of God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."
I should note that I am Episcopal priest who has been exploring the richness of the Eastern Church in my retirement.
Amen Fr. The Orthodox Church has beautiful liturgy and theology-many doctrines are quite close to Anglo-Catholic rites. Pax Christ
Father, do not wait to enter into the glory of the Orthodox Light of Faith! So much grace is waiting, and life is shorter than we think! Please do not wait - time is against us and God is with our every step forward! Loving prayer, Presbytera Irene Matta M'Th
Fr. Thank God, Thank You! 🙏🌺☦️🌺🙏
"....remain with CHRIST until the last breath" - 💓☦️🦅
AMEN!🙏🏽🌾
Love Fr P!
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0:15 Being Saved Is a Lifelong process. What is the purpose of Baptism?
0:25 Baptism it the time we are completely joined to Christ. We die with him in the water, we rise with him, We become a new creation. We leave the "Old Man" behind.
0:50 Regeneration of Humanity
1:09 Baptism & Chrismation together, The Fullness of Grace. Followed immediately after with the 1st Taking of Communion.
1:59 Salvation is a gift. Salvation must be safeguarded by us, by living a life reflective of the will of God. You are not to go live like a heathen.
2:35 Your life has to be in obedience with God. In relationship. Until our last breathe.
3:00 The Goal is to go beyond restoring God's Image in us. To Reach The State of Perfection. To Be Perfected In His Likeness.
3:35 We Struggle to reach Theosis.
4:21 Greek Salvation means to Restore To Good Health. To Heal.
4:47 Christ is so dear. He took upon himself humanity. He restored humanity, made it perfect. 5:23 Made Humanity like himself, Eternal.
Christ Defeated Death.
5:55 Salvation is NOT a jeridical Term. It is not a 1 time transactional forgiveness.
6:12 Salvation is a healed existence.
It's important to make the distinction between Catholic and Protestant theology of the West. The Orthodox view of Baptism is in perfect harmony with the Catholic view. So, too, is Orthodox soteriology, which Fr Panayiotis explained. Many of the great teachers of the Eastern Church are considered Doctors in the Catholic Church. The once-saved-always-saved penal substitutionary view of Christ's death on the Cross is not Catholic. Catholics speak of infused righteousness, ie as St Paul writes, "..because the love of God has been poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us" it doesn't speak of imputed righteousness; although like Fr Panayiotis mentioned, imputed righteousness is not a problem, as Baptism is more than symbolism, ie. it affects an ontological change in us: a washing, a regeneration, a new creation. We go from one degree of glory to another, from righteous to more righteous, in a state of grace, if we remain in Christ; obedient to his commandments and cooperative with the Holy Spirit. Theosis and theoria are very much in harmony with Catholic teaching, unlike what is broadly found in Protestantism (although Protestantism is all over the place theologically). We speak more frequently of divinization and contemplation, but they are corresponding terms. I actually prefer theosis myself, and theoria has less mis-associations that come with the term contemplative prayer. While Catholics speak of "satisfaction" being made on the Cross as one of many aspects of the crucifixion, this is NOT to be confused with penal substitution and its claim that the Father poured out his wrath on his beloved Son to make propitiation. Make note of what the Catechism states: "It is LOVE 'to the end' that confers on Christ's sacrifice its value as redemption and reparation, as atonement and satisfaction. He knew and loved us all when he offered His life." This corresponds to St Paul who writes, "...live in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God." Note "fragrant" which is something of beauty - a gift. Orthodox theology of the Cross is equally valid and rich in the meaning it draws out, and so too, the connected theology of the resurrection of our beloved Saviour. We enter, through baptism, into the great paschal mystery of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. Orthodox theology is affirmed and shared by the Catholic Church. I love your channel. I love and value Orthodox iconography very much. It is powerful for its beauty, precise theology and instruction. Your reverent and beautiful ancient liturgy is magnificent too. The video on St Xenia was especially moving. I now hold her in deep love and respect, and will call on her prayers when needed. Keep up the good work
We have many things in common with Catholics (though we are not ,as some would sustain, brothers) but the main problem is Catholic Church's lack of humility. It is hard for Catholic Church to accept they are WRONG (a common sin for any people...). So, the problem with Catholics (I mean Catholic clergy not ordinary believers) is that they want to belong to the Church of Christ without accepting their sin (mistake) of being wrong. By the way, there's an heresy that claims that Orthodox Church and Catholic Church are sisters. Christ has only ONE Church not two separated churches. You either belong to that Church or you are out of it. May God help you undestand that.
Amen 🙏🏽
Faith working itself out in actions of love is simply reflecting who we are as new creations in Christ. Baptism is part of our identity in Christ, a kind of entrance into that New Covenant.
I love Jesus Christ✝️
This is irrelevant to the video but could you guys perhaps do a short video on St Haralambos the one who was very old and suffered martyrdom, his bravery is inspiring and I would love to see you guys make a video sometime on him
I would love to make a video on St. Haralambos. The issue is I don't have enough writers. If I had more writers I could make more videos! :)
Do u have a video on orthodox view of all have sinned.
Apart from augustinian original sin.
On original sin? try this th-cam.com/video/SRgPKrD31fU/w-d-xo.html
@@Trisagionfilms so children born outside churvh are not sinners so they fo to heaven if they died before the age to know food and evil as per isaih 7:14.
Does universalism offivialy condemed in eastern church. Do u know the oriental churches' perspective on unbiversalism.
No, babies do not go to hell.
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I live in Toronto. Is there a Godly priest I can contact here?
Of course! You can contact him at Trisagionproductions@gmail.com
Trisagion Films thank you! Would that be Fr. Panayiotis’ email?
I would like to add that Jesus is actually named Yeshua. and lo and behold, Yeshua means Salvation in hebrew. You find Jeshua in the Bible often. In those instances, the hebrew says Yeshua (ישוע). So in the septuagint, that name is translated to Iesous and latinized as Jesus. Yeshua ben Sirach and Yeshua Ben Ananias both have common translations to Jesus. It is just important I feel, to know how important the name is. It means Salvation.
@ChopinIsMyBestFriend - In a 'Religion for breakfast' video, a guest speaker who has detailed knowledge of names in the era says it is spelled "Yeshu' " with the apostrophe representing the "sneaky A" of the time. It was also the 6th most common name in the area at the time.
Can you please help me understand your baptism position? If a child is baptized, is it just a thought or an actual real empowerment and being joined to Christ, a new creation? Also, if it’s actual and real, if they never grow in faith, do they lose whatever it is they received at baptism? Is it a loss of something they once had?
Yes, when a child is baptized there is a clear empowerment and a union with Christ given to the child. Through Chrismation he/she is also given the Gift of the Holy Spirit. He/she becomes a Temple of the Holy Spirit. The child is given the potential to be the New Creation which is accomplished through union with Christ and his/her co-operation with the Grace of God given to them. If the child never grows in the Faith it does not lose that potential. The Holy Spirit still resides in him/her even as a spark awaiting his/her return toward God so that It may become a flame again.
Fr. Panayiotis
@@Trisagionfilms thank you. I wasn’t raised in a Christian home, but came to faith in Christ at 25 yrs old, then was baptized 3 months later, life hadn’t been the same since. I’ve been in Protestant Evangelical church for 23 yrs, now thinking about Orthodoxy. There’s much to think about.
We are always here to help. You can also email us at trisagionproductions@gmail.com for direct contact with father Panayiotis.
As a layperson and as a former Lutheran, I think that when a person (infant or adult) is baptized and chrismated, they get grafted in Christ and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (as Fr. Panayioitis writes). These gifts don't lose their validity and efficiency if the person never grow in faith, but what happens is that the person kinda "withers" spiritually, like a grafted branch that is not properly grown into one with the stem (because the person doesn't accept those gifts nor strive to get closer to God)... Similar (if not same) idea appears also in _The Shepherd of Hermas_ that is seen as one of the writings of 'Apostolic Fathers'.
what type of P.HD does Father Panayiotis have? Theology doctorate?
His Doctorate is in Early Christian Studies (History and Theology of the Early Church). His dissertation was a "Thematic Analysis of the theology of St. John Chrysostom in his 32 Homilies on the Epistle to the Romans".
Christ has never baptized in water however in death he was in a rocky tomb and that's a true question I have I'm taught we're baptized with him
He baptizes in the Holy Spirit.
@@jakebarnes3054 He was literally baptized by John in the Jordan river. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is Chrismation. Not jumping around like crazy and having seizures on the ground
I agree except the baptism of infants, because baptism must be precded by repentence.
No it doesn't.
John 3:5 says being born of water and spirit is necessary to enter the kingdom and in Matthew 19:14, Mark 10:13 and Luke 18:15-17 the Bible literally says Infants belong in the Kingdom.
So they need to be born of water and spirit. And that refers to baptism, and the church always believed that.
Many ealry church fathers were batised after bevoming of age to reason even though we see baptiam from 3rd(having evidence may get more to extend dont know) evem in 6th and 6th century even traditions which prevents infants from baptism upto a certain age .
It just confuses me
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The Early Christians baptized infants and said it was heresy if you don’t do it. So you disagree with the First Christians. In the Old Testament infants were circumcised before they were able to repent. And baptism is a fulfillment of the Old Testament church’s circumcision, because Baptism is the circumcision of the heart. You have no continuity. If you deny infant baptism then you must be against infant circumcision. Be consistent.
Baptism of those who sin must be preceded by repentance. But the Orthodox do not believe in "Original sin" as the Protestants do. Babies are not sinners. They come into the world pure. Predisposed to sin, perhaps, but not sinners. Considering this, denying the baptism of infants is the last thing we would wish to do in regards to baptism.
AMHN
Do you believe that a believer will not go to heaven when at the death bed he is doing sinful act by lying and cursing? what about those priests that fell to sexual temptation and pass away before repenting? Are they going to hell or heaven?
That is a very good question! I believe we would say it is up to God. It is up to us to "Make every effort to enter through the narrow gate" (Luke 13:24) and to try to live in accordance with what the Lord has taught us and given us, and to "work out [our] salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12). However, our Lord Jesus Christ is the sole Judge in the end.
I hope that helps! God bless!
Jesus was baptized why??? To fulfill his ministry of dying and crucified and ressurection.
It's also a declaration to the enemy. I'm on God's side, and will work to save others from your evil plans. One more soul working for the great commission.
Genesis Is Literal History.
Not fully.
@canadiankewldude - Since it represents two different accounts, how can it be history? Most accept that it is allegory.