@@citrous as JV mentioned. The team is using 20 year old systems in car development. It's amazing how they are performing despite their current situation.
Perhaps it's important to note that the first apex at the Vale chicane was altered slightly and Russell was able to take a slightly tighter line compared to Verstappen having to avoid the sausage kerb. That would have helped the 2024 lap time too for sure
2017 - 1.26.600 secs 2018 - 1.25.892 secs 2019 - 1.25.093 secs 2020 - 1.24.303 secs 2021 - 1.26.134 secs 2023 - 1.26.720 secs Now 2024 - 1.25.819 secs that's close to 2018 , so can we see a comparison between 2018 and 2024. Need to know how even with new ground effect they are similar Maybe 2018 is faster in straights
The 2018 cars were faster on the straights due to the quali mode of the engines (except the Hangar straight for some reason). 2018 top speed before T1 was 13 kph higher than 2024 and a total of 0.26 sec faster before T3, then stretched it to 0.4 by the end of S1. 2024 gained time through T6 & 7 and up to Copse, because of the tail wind, before losing again down to Maggots. Through the next two corners and through the Hangar straight 2024 gains 0.1 sec, but the real damage is done in the final sector. In Stowe 2024 gains another tenth and through the final couple of corners almost 0.25 (most of it in T17). Now imagine the 2024 car having full quali mode and being 50-70 kg lighter - that car would be an absolute beast around Silverstone!
2018 cars on permanent tracks like Silverstone, Bahrain, Austria, Suzuka were about 1s faster in Quali mode on avg. At Silverstone they were equally fast because it was hotter and the tyre couldn't be pushed as they did yesterday.
@@Srga91In 2018 DRS was available on the main straight, that's why they had so much better top speed there (those cars had less drag than nowdays, stop it with the "the new cars have less drag" nonsense), so tha's the main reason, the other is that there were some strange gusts of wind back then, so teams elected to deploy ERS charge differently. These cars do have qualy mode tho, they can still make ERS mappings that are more agressive than on race trim, only thing yhey can't change is the conventional engine's mode back and forth. If they select a more powerful mode to qualify, they have to use it all the way, they can't dial it down, if they choose to run a more conservative setting, they can't turn it up a notch. I'm pretty sure they've already figured out how to turn it up without losing too much durability. No matter how light you could make these current cars, they have two limiting factors that being even 100kg lighter they can't overcome: downforce at medium-slow speeds due to airflow bleeding off the underside, and mechanical suspensions (coil-overs vs hydraulic "springs" and shocks) being less precise to absorb the track's bumps and whatever else is on the ground, regardless of how refined they can be, I believe we're seeing these current cars performance ceiling being reached nowdays, the previous ones had still room for improvement. Underbody downforce and conventional suspensions are inherently inferior to topside aero and hydraulic suspensions...
I also noticed a meta on 2024 qualy this year alot of drivers didnt push too hard on sector 1 to save tyres in sector 2&3 on last Q3 lap Russel went Yellow purple purple and lewis yellow green green
i think the yellow sector 1 in russell's lap is because he had a tiny snap of oversteer at the exit of turn 4 which compromise his speed on the straight
A cool graphic addition would be an arrow that turns according to the direction of the wind so we could visually see where in the track its having an impact
@@akbarhogiwibowo1473 ... Yet it just did it (beat 2021's pole lap time)... 2020 stands alone as the absolute peak year, 2019 - 2021 traded blows, but 2019 was faster on average .
@@omsingh3982 Yo chill lmaoo it was an unfortunate ending though the first lap of the sprint race and the first half lap of the GP was some of the hardest racing you’ll ever in this sport
It seems that for Vale(turn 16) they made the orange sausage kerb a lot more flat this year, so they could attack and cut more the entry of that corner.
I still love the '21 cars, much more allive and aggressive into corners, nimble and snappy. This era is more on the smoothness, at least that's how I see it.
Could you make a video of recent Stroll and Alonso comparison? Because I've no idea how this windowlicker is quicker then Nando, but because of the sabotaging
Spa varies like that due to the different setups drivers have. It’s not always down to different year regs. There’s no other race where we see such different setups
Headwind is blowing from the front of the car. Increases your level of downforce. Tailwind decreases your level of downforce hence you can't brake as late as with headwind but it almost works as a DRS when you want to go full throttle on a straight.
Headwind = the wind is against the flow of the car making the straight line speed decrease however you can brake later. Tailwind = the wind is with the flow of the car making the straight line speed increase however you must brake earlier to avoid losing lap time during corners.
@roll_and_on_greatest It all depends on direction. Headwind is the wind that comes from the front and hits your face, while tailwind comes from behind and hits your back. Same for a car. Headwind comes from forward and hits the front wing while tailwind does the opposite. Hope you understood. Tailwind increases speed of car since the wind the pushing it.
so is red bull just straight not the fastest car anymore? like at some points the "this or that happened unlucky" just become too coincidental, no? also, on race pace, mclaren seems to be always following and now mercedes is consistently at the top
@@yurilopes420 hard to gauge for this track as Perez stacked it on his out lap and Max damaged his car in Q1 Yesterday quali was not representative for them
no, not really. mercedes was definitely 3rd in austria, mclaren was fastest, perez is cooked. redbull is just not the fastest car by a margin now, and yesterday's quali times cannot be representative of their true pace anyway.
McLaren was the fastest in the mixed conditions, while Mercedes was the fastest in the dry, based on last weekend's race. Races after China: Miami: McL RBR Fer Imola: McL RBR Fer Monaco: McL Fer Mer (Ferrari fell off after Monaco) Canada: Mer McL RBR Spain: McL RBR Mer Austria: McL RBR Mer Britain: Mer McL RBR
@@karussoul No way merc was fastest in canada. ferrari was clearly the fastest in monaco too. perez is holding back honest performance analyses of rbr. they might have been he fastest in imola.
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 that's right old friend. Just give me one admission though: In theory, changing the tyre is the simplest alteration that can be made to a vehicle, to have the greatest impact on performance. Really, tell your kids to buy good rubbers in case of an accident 😃
@@Azmania3000 consider their are more high speed turns and medium speed turns , the f2004 won't even be closer to modern cars, but it could have more speed in straights
I’d reckon they could go maybe as fast as 2016 cars imo, depending on what tires and compound they use obviously, but nothing close to modern F1 cars. Maybe on tracks like Monza they’d have a shot but here in silverstone there’s no way😂
30 minutes ago the track was damp...2024 machinery could do much better if the rain never happened. Also if Verstappens car was not damaged he could do a better time than Russels. 2024 conditions was worst than 2023 conditions you are wrong about that.
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Crazy to think that the RB19 pole lap is slower than Albon's Williams in yesterday's qualifying 🤯🤯
or a Haas
@@parliache3329 that's soo true.
Still faster than Perez@@kento6201
yeah why couldnt williams just build this years car last year i dont get it
@@citrous as JV mentioned. The team is using 20 year old systems in car development. It's amazing how they are performing despite their current situation.
Perhaps it's important to note that the first apex at the Vale chicane was altered slightly and Russell was able to take a slightly tighter line compared to Verstappen having to avoid the sausage kerb. That would have helped the 2024 lap time too for sure
2017 - 1.26.600 secs
2018 - 1.25.892 secs
2019 - 1.25.093 secs
2020 - 1.24.303 secs
2021 - 1.26.134 secs
2023 - 1.26.720 secs
Now 2024 - 1.25.819 secs that's close to 2018 , so can we see a comparison between 2018 and 2024. Need to know how even with new ground effect they are similar Maybe 2018 is faster in straights
If there was no rain this weekend and the track stayed rubbered in, I reckon the 2024pole time woulda been another 0.25-0.5 sec faster.
@@willnairn5903perhaps, but it would be comparison between 2024 and 2019
The 2018 cars were faster on the straights due to the quali mode of the engines (except the Hangar straight for some reason). 2018 top speed before T1 was 13 kph higher than 2024 and a total of 0.26 sec faster before T3, then stretched it to 0.4 by the end of S1. 2024 gained time through T6 & 7 and up to Copse, because of the tail wind, before losing again down to Maggots. Through the next two corners and through the Hangar straight 2024 gains 0.1 sec, but the real damage is done in the final sector. In Stowe 2024 gains another tenth and through the final couple of corners almost 0.25 (most of it in T17).
Now imagine the 2024 car having full quali mode and being 50-70 kg lighter - that car would be an absolute beast around Silverstone!
2018 cars on permanent tracks like Silverstone, Bahrain, Austria, Suzuka were about 1s faster in Quali mode on avg.
At Silverstone they were equally fast because it was hotter and the tyre couldn't be pushed as they did yesterday.
@@Srga91In 2018 DRS was available on the main straight, that's why they had so much better top speed there (those cars had less drag than nowdays, stop it with the "the new cars have less drag" nonsense), so tha's the main reason, the other is that there were some strange gusts of wind back then, so teams elected to deploy ERS charge differently. These cars do have qualy mode tho, they can still make ERS mappings that are more agressive than on race trim, only thing yhey can't change is the conventional engine's mode back and forth. If they select a more powerful mode to qualify, they have to use it all the way, they can't dial it down, if they choose to run a more conservative setting, they can't turn it up a notch. I'm pretty sure they've already figured out how to turn it up without losing too much durability. No matter how light you could make these current cars, they have two limiting factors that being even 100kg lighter they can't overcome: downforce at medium-slow speeds due to airflow bleeding off the underside, and mechanical suspensions (coil-overs vs hydraulic "springs" and shocks) being less precise to absorb the track's bumps and whatever else is on the ground, regardless of how refined they can be, I believe we're seeing these current cars performance ceiling being reached nowdays, the previous ones had still room for improvement. Underbody downforce and conventional suspensions are inherently inferior to topside aero and hydraulic suspensions...
I also noticed a meta on 2024 qualy this year alot of drivers didnt push too hard on sector 1 to save tyres in sector 2&3 on last Q3 lap Russel went Yellow purple purple and lewis yellow green green
i think the yellow sector 1 in russell's lap is because he had a tiny snap of oversteer at the exit of turn 4 which compromise his speed on the straight
the same thing lewis did in his 2020 pole lap if he had a new set of soft s he would of probably did a 1.23.9 or higher
@@ShirayukiRaito the tires can’t handle 1 lap quali push runs this year
Thank you Pirelli! (Sarcasm)
A cool graphic addition would be an arrow that turns according to the direction of the wind so we could visually see where in the track its having an impact
2024 beat 2021 comparison time
Post 2021 car can never outspeed 2020-2021 car. Those two years were the peak of f1 cars
@@akbarhogiwibowo1473 ... Yet it just did it (beat 2021's pole lap time)... 2020 stands alone as the absolute peak year, 2019 - 2021 traded blows, but 2019 was faster on average .
@@akbarhogiwibowo1473George already did beat it though...
Beat 2018 pole time as well in worse conditions. These cars are getting ridiculously quick again.
@@akbarhogiwibowo1473Nah peak F1 performance is 2019-20
The 2021 cars had their wings clipped quite a bit
Copse became almost a straight line for these current Formula 1 cars. The way cars have evolved in downforce over the last 10 years is impressive
@@lucaasdev the teams indeed just see it as a straight line according to telemetry
That was also a straight line for the top team cars in 04 so 20 years ago also ;)
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 lewis definitely saw it as a straight line in 2021 lmao
@@omsingh3982 Yo chill lmaoo
it was an unfortunate ending though the first lap of the sprint race and the first half lap of the GP was some of the hardest racing you’ll ever in this sport
Okay, we went from "Copse became a straight" to the touch between Max and Lewis in 2021. Lol
We need W15 vs W11 and W12
W11 gonna clear that for sure
2025 cars will be the fastest we ever had since 2019
Rather 2020
2026 was a possible record breaking year if the regulation changes were in 2027 rather than 2026
It seems that for Vale(turn 16) they made the orange sausage kerb a lot more flat this year, so they could attack and cut more the entry of that corner.
That's not the only thing that's getting you 6 tenths through there though.
Feels like T16 is a bit wider this year thanks to the new susage curb which allows the cars to ride it.
1.5 seconds slower than W11 is mind blowing
Your analyses help me enjoy the intricacies of F1 so much more. Thank you!!
I still love the '21 cars, much more allive and aggressive into corners, nimble and snappy. This era is more on the smoothness, at least that's how I see it.
Russel Is on fire after the Austrian GP
Great comparison!
Could you make a video of recent Stroll and Alonso comparison? Because I've no idea how this windowlicker is quicker then Nando, but because of the sabotaging
And George apparently inherited Leclerc's curse, "you can get a pole at home,but victory is nowhere near".
You should do the 2020 cars next comparison before ground effect era
please do a comparision with 21 and or 18
Nice content
Can you do 2014 va 2021 vs 2024 car?
"Ideal conditions" would offer us a sub 25 time.
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I hate the new camera angle on the 2024 onboards
w vid
2019 spa pole was 1.2s slower but still had 2 sectors over 2020, just because the merc was 2s faster in s2
Spa varies like that due to the different setups drivers have. It’s not always down to different year regs.
There’s no other race where we see such different setups
merc ran a high downforce setup in 2020
that is because mercedes had a higher df setup in 2020. s2 requires downforce more than any other sector at spa.
@@iamlato 2019 Spa pole had the warp speed Ferrari engine lol that was totally legal!
(I think about that engine every night)
After watching, can anyone explain to me what is Headwind and Tailwind?
Headwind is blowing from the front of the car. Increases your level of downforce. Tailwind decreases your level of downforce hence you can't brake as late as with headwind but it almost works as a DRS when you want to go full throttle on a straight.
headwind is wind that is coming directly at the car to the driver's face, while tailwind is wind from behind, which pushes them forwards
Headwind = the wind is against the flow of the car making the straight line speed decrease however you can brake later.
Tailwind = the wind is with the flow of the car making the straight line speed increase however you must brake earlier to avoid losing lap time during corners.
@roll_and_on_greatest
It all depends on direction. Headwind is the wind that comes from the front and hits your face, while tailwind comes from behind and hits your back. Same for a car. Headwind comes from forward and hits the front wing while tailwind does the opposite. Hope you understood. Tailwind increases speed of car since the wind the pushing it.
Headwind blows towards you. You will feel it on your face.
Tailwind blows from behind. You will feel it on the back of your head
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so is red bull just straight not the fastest car anymore?
like at some points the "this or that happened unlucky" just become too coincidental, no?
also, on race pace, mclaren seems to be always following and now mercedes is consistently at the top
@@yurilopes420 hard to gauge for this track as Perez stacked it on his out lap and Max damaged his car in Q1
Yesterday quali was not representative for them
no, not really. mercedes was definitely 3rd in austria, mclaren was fastest, perez is cooked. redbull is just not the fastest car by a margin now, and yesterday's quali times cannot be representative of their true pace anyway.
Red Bull hasn’t been fastest since China.
McLaren was the fastest in the mixed conditions, while Mercedes was the fastest in the dry, based on last weekend's race.
Races after China:
Miami: McL RBR Fer
Imola: McL RBR Fer
Monaco: McL Fer Mer
(Ferrari fell off after Monaco)
Canada: Mer McL RBR
Spain: McL RBR Mer
Austria: McL RBR Mer
Britain: Mer McL RBR
@@karussoul No way merc was fastest in canada. ferrari was clearly the fastest in monaco too. perez is holding back honest performance analyses of rbr. they might have been he fastest in imola.
Well this is all well and good; but are they faster than the F2004 on slicks?
Don’t finish me here 😭😭😭🤣
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 that's right old friend. Just give me one admission though: In theory, changing the tyre is the simplest alteration that can be made to a vehicle, to have the greatest impact on performance.
Really, tell your kids to buy good rubbers in case of an accident 😃
F2004 might beat RB19 with slicks and also W15 of russell. It would be difficult to defeat the W11 as it was just a rocketship in the form of a car
@@Azmania3000 consider their are more high speed turns and medium speed turns , the f2004 won't even be closer to modern cars, but it could have more speed in straights
I’d reckon they could go maybe as fast as 2016 cars imo, depending on what tires and compound they use obviously, but nothing close to modern F1 cars. Maybe on tracks like Monza they’d have a shot but here in silverstone there’s no way😂
The Red Bull car was always understeered and sluggish.
w15 = w11
Nah not even close. 2024 f1 cars are slower then 2020. W11 had more downforce on the corners causing it to go flat out confidently in some corners
High speed corners is very close but mid and low speed are still very much off
Could never
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30 minutes ago the track was damp...2024 machinery could do much better if the rain never happened. Also if Verstappens car was not damaged he could do a better time than Russels. 2024 conditions was worst than 2023 conditions you are wrong about that.
"completely destroyed" is lazy unimaginative English. It destroyed nothing, it was a bit faster. Can we all try harder?