Despite the interesting aspect of your discussion of AI as a tool for making movies, I find the most interesting part about how the script doesn't matter. 1) You find an actor in your country who will be able for money to be part of the movie you're making 2) You claim you have the money already 3) You get a presale contract 4) You go to the fond and get funding (not all countries have favourable taxes (I live in Denmark) ;) 5) You make the film And now the troubles begin. 6) You contact distribution and they don't care about your content, only if it is something they can sell. I may have missed a few parts. But I could see an idea with this point list and how you can make a film this way. Thank you for sharing your journey, I think we are many storytellers who have the same goal, and it helps to see your videos.
Did you get to the part where he pointed out that he regards this system as broken and dysfunctional? To be clear, he’s championing an alternative system that celebrates, empowers and rewards the creative.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker It is the same in Denmark although a bit different. Most films are funded by a government-controlled instance, and they do not support any movies that have the slightest hint of rightwing politics, or if the hero is a Business owner / white CIS gender. One move was turned down because a small role character (an old grumpy man) in a shot sentence said something bad about Thunberg. I will certainly listen to the interview a few times more as it was interesting. And yes we all hope that AI Tools can help us. But we are still very much depending on the distribution and that can prove to be a bottleneck as Tom Paton said.
That's one way to finance a feature film. It doesn't mean it isn't the only one. Runway is currently offering grants to AI filmmakers of up to $1 million. The key to getting such a grant is to have a viable project for them to back. That means assembling the right team of writers, designers, and marketers who can pull off a feature film. Anybody ready to give it a go?
@@MancaveMunchies I do have scripts ready for a series in a Zombie Dystopia, where there are focus on how the virus came and how it can be defeated, and the human connections and conflicts. So maybe I should give it a go? :)
It's interesting that timewise this fits in with "supacell" being top of the netflix chart. Whilst it's a conventional TV series, for the most part the actors and director are not known on the international scene and it's language "multicultural London English" will require a lot of people to turn on subtitles. That creativity, these tools and need to not get green lit by "the industry" seems like a pivot point
Any way you slice it, this opens the floodgates for other AI filmmakers to produce and distribute their feature films without having to bow to the Hollywood studio system.
I’m confident of this much… the feature film screenplay which took me more than a decade to write, is probably never going to see the light of day via the traditional Hollywood route, and even if it did, it would become unrecognisable from my original script.
Thank you for this interview. Very interesting 🧐 Great to know a team in the UK 🇬🇧 made it. With all the AI advances which I’m very much completely absorbed in, I have been watching the new builds of all the film studios near where I live at Shepperton & Pinewood and wondering if they will ever be fully used as Ai film making takes over.
Thanks very much for the encouragement. Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see where this leads to. If Tom is right, and other studios follow the pattern, the big studio spaces will still be useful, but with a number of smaller teams creating movies simultaneously in lots of smaller studio spaces that were wince reserved for larger productions.
Thanks for following up on this Haydn! Seems like a truly professional guy and studio, but I have some pushback. Apparently doing a fully traditional CGI film using AI to put 6 textures on your square box robots and AI images for the backgrounds constitutes "using AI in every shot"? There may be some sequences from the trailer I saw that actually were generated using AI generative video (like maybe the text on the dunes or similar "scenes"), but if it's mostly traditional CGI workflows (which appears to be the case), I don't think he should be credited as the first full length AI film. Oh, and the music was AI generated. I think to earn the right to call it the first AI film, the video in particular has to be majority AI generated. But I understand that the current tech probably wouldn't pass his definition of quality control from Netflix, Hulu, etc. Perhaps those controls need to adjust. I wish he'd be more explicit in his generative AI usage, but being coy just shows that it probably was minimally used to just generate textures and backdrops within 3D generated spaces. Look forward to seeing the next parts.
All valid points, hopefully with a bit more light now that part 2 is up. Part 3 still to come and some more fascinating insights with it. Definitely still worth a watch. Whichever way you slice his efforts, Tom is undoubtedly putting in the work.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker Finally watched the whole film - thanks for the link! - and it was interesting from an AI perspective. Maybe it was more mo-cap to video and less CGI? Hard to tell. The ship videos were definitely CGI, but they were minimally used sequences. The film is a point on the evolutionary timeline for AI filmmaking.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker Aston Walker put in the work. That is why the FIRST AI black superhero sci fi feature film is in the Venice Biennale Arte 2024 ITSLIQUID. AI BLACK Shia convert superhero movies have ARRIVED Haydn #victoryisintheGRAVE
I cannot believe what I'm seeing. This is an absolutely outrageous and transparently self-serving argument. It's like saying, first car doesn't count because it wasn't a Tesla. First plane doesn't count because it wasn't a 747. Further, you can't claim quality standard when Thaddeus Howze's compared your film to Ed Wood. DreadClub already landed 3/3 on RottenTomatoes by professional critics, it won Best Director at Miami Street Film Festival, Best Animated Film at Mindfield, it was the first AI feature to land a major streaming license; all bars which 'Robots' failed to cross. 'First' is not defined from polish, it is not how 'first' works. Unreal.
If I understand correctly, you’re saying there’s a film called DreadClub which is an AI feature film that pre-dates Where The Robots Grow? Do you have a link to anything? TH-cam only has references to an old movie called Club Dread.
@@ZwaneMakki guy is coming in two years into the space and saying 'everything before me doesn't count, mine is just the best!' what a joke. how much personal hardship and sacrifice we all faced building the groundwork. will let history decide, not a couple internet articles.
its not the 1st !!! "Published on July 21, 2023, 'Window Seat' emerged as the first-ever all A.I. full length movie." i just want to point at the youtube movie "Window Seat (2023) the First A.I. Feature Film // HD"
Thanks very much. Since I uploaded these interviews I've been contacted by a number of people with links to content that they feel is the rightful heir to the title of "World's First AI Movie". It turns out it's a hotly contested title with quite a lot of plausible claimants. At some point I may make a video about them all. Thanks for this link, I'll add it to the list :-)
A great interview and interesting to know how the film was put together. He also gets it: the clever people aren't those whinging about "boo hoo, AI companies are stealing my work!", the clever people are looking at how they can use this new tool for their benefit.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker looking forward to them. One small point - you may want to include the audio (with a slight volume reduction) from the mic of the person off-screen. I found it a bit strange to hear parts of replies as background sound. Otherwise, great stuff. I hope you will do some more interviews as and when things are released that warrant it
considering all the slop around AI, meh...i don't think this holds up. I do agree with the general interpretation though in that...AI is something like a tool we have to use to explore our ideas and advance (or as another sentience we communicate with). But thing is people aren't using it as a tool in this manner, they are using it as a slop machine.
Very interesting interview, thanks, I like Tom's last few points where he points out how you have to take the AI tools an innovate, film is a technological business
I’m editing the rest of the interview now and Tom goes into more detail about the tools they used and where they used them. I definitely underestimated their achievements with this movie.
😆😆😆, yeahhhhh, I was in two minds about the clickbait, but I’m about to upload the second part of the interview and I’m going to see what happens when I tone it down 😁
I’ll take a look and add it to the list. It turns out there are several other contenders for the title of “First AI Feature Film”, and I may create a video just about each of them (yours included). Thanks for the link :-)
Very erudite and intelligent guy. Make no mistake, skeptical or scared of AI, our industry - in fact, every industry - is on the brink of intense change and we can't hide our heads in the sand. So, Tom, are you open to reading other writers' scripts? Or speaking at our festival, in Bath, in May 2025?😉
In the nineties music made in bedrooms on affordable equipment took over the charts. Is this the "90's" moment for filmmaking?
I think so too.
@12:15 the system is broken. So true, look what happened with Idiocracy, look what's going down in Hollywood with all the arrests! Completely agree!
Absolutely!
A great conversation that I wanted to hear! Thanks so much 🙏
No problem, thanks for watching :-)
The real point is that AI filmmakers need to team up if they want to get serious about making feature films using this new technology.
💯 absolutely!!!!
So quick question. How do you find those distributors to pre-sale to? I wanna try his method.
Really sorry, can’t help you there, I didn’t ask. Unfortunately Tom would be the person to answer that question.
Despite the interesting aspect of your discussion of AI as a tool for making movies, I find the most interesting part about how the script doesn't matter.
1) You find an actor in your country who will be able for money to be part of the movie you're making
2) You claim you have the money already
3) You get a presale contract
4) You go to the fond and get funding (not all countries have favourable taxes (I live in Denmark) ;)
5) You make the film
And now the troubles begin.
6) You contact distribution and they don't care about your content, only if it is something they can sell.
I may have missed a few parts.
But I could see an idea with this point list and how you can make a film this way.
Thank you for sharing your journey, I think we are many storytellers who have the same goal, and it helps to see your videos.
Did you get to the part where he pointed out that he regards this system as broken and dysfunctional? To be clear, he’s championing an alternative system that celebrates, empowers and rewards the creative.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker It is the same in Denmark although a bit different. Most films are funded by a government-controlled instance, and they do not support any movies that have the slightest hint of rightwing politics, or if the hero is a Business owner / white CIS gender.
One move was turned down because a small role character (an old grumpy man) in a shot sentence said something bad about Thunberg.
I will certainly listen to the interview a few times more as it was interesting.
And yes we all hope that AI Tools can help us. But we are still very much depending on the distribution and that can prove to be a bottleneck as Tom Paton said.
That's one way to finance a feature film. It doesn't mean it isn't the only one. Runway is currently offering grants to AI filmmakers of up to $1 million. The key to getting such a grant is to have a viable project for them to back. That means assembling the right team of writers, designers, and marketers who can pull off a feature film. Anybody ready to give it a go?
@@MancaveMunchies I do have scripts ready for a series in a Zombie Dystopia, where there are focus on how the virus came and how it can be defeated, and the human connections and conflicts. So maybe I should give it a go? :)
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker question is how do you find the distributor and what they want?
It's interesting that timewise this fits in with "supacell" being top of the netflix chart. Whilst it's a conventional TV series, for the most part the actors and director are not known on the international scene and it's language "multicultural London English" will require a lot of people to turn on subtitles. That creativity, these tools and need to not get green lit by "the industry" seems like a pivot point
Agree entirely. I think one of the most appealing draws for AI filmmaking will be the creative freedom afforded the writers and filmmakers.
Any way you slice it, this opens the floodgates for other AI filmmakers to produce and distribute their feature films without having to bow to the Hollywood studio system.
I’m confident of this much… the feature film screenplay which took me more than a decade to write, is probably never going to see the light of day via the traditional Hollywood route, and even if it did, it would become unrecognisable from my original script.
Thank you for this interview.
Very interesting 🧐
Great to know a team in the UK 🇬🇧 made it.
With all the AI advances which I’m very much completely absorbed in, I have been watching the new builds of all the film studios near where I live at Shepperton & Pinewood and wondering if they will ever be fully used as Ai film making takes over.
Thanks very much for the encouragement. Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see where this leads to. If Tom is right, and other studios follow the pattern, the big studio spaces will still be useful, but with a number of smaller teams creating movies simultaneously in lots of smaller studio spaces that were wince reserved for larger productions.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker Sounds good to me ☺
Spectacular episode my friend!
Heyyyyy, thanks very much 😁
I’ve just been editing part 2 and that’s really interesting too.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker Awesome Can't wait!
Thanks for following up on this Haydn! Seems like a truly professional guy and studio, but I have some pushback.
Apparently doing a fully traditional CGI film using AI to put 6 textures on your square box robots and AI images for the backgrounds constitutes "using AI in every shot"? There may be some sequences from the trailer I saw that actually were generated using AI generative video (like maybe the text on the dunes or similar "scenes"), but if it's mostly traditional CGI workflows (which appears to be the case), I don't think he should be credited as the first full length AI film. Oh, and the music was AI generated.
I think to earn the right to call it the first AI film, the video in particular has to be majority AI generated. But I understand that the current tech probably wouldn't pass his definition of quality control from Netflix, Hulu, etc. Perhaps those controls need to adjust.
I wish he'd be more explicit in his generative AI usage, but being coy just shows that it probably was minimally used to just generate textures and backdrops within 3D generated spaces.
Look forward to seeing the next parts.
Aston Walker made Victory is in the GRAVE the worlds first AI sci fi feature film. Also featured at the Venice Biennale Arte 2024 this guy is a liar
All valid points, hopefully with a bit more light now that part 2 is up. Part 3 still to come and some more fascinating insights with it. Definitely still worth a watch. Whichever way you slice his efforts, Tom is undoubtedly putting in the work.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker Finally watched the whole film - thanks for the link! - and it was interesting from an AI perspective. Maybe it was more mo-cap to video and less CGI? Hard to tell. The ship videos were definitely CGI, but they were minimally used sequences. The film is a point on the evolutionary timeline for AI filmmaking.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker Aston Walker put in the work. That is why the FIRST AI black superhero sci fi feature film is in the Venice Biennale Arte 2024 ITSLIQUID. AI BLACK Shia convert superhero movies have ARRIVED Haydn #victoryisintheGRAVE
Fantastic interview.
I cannot believe what I'm seeing. This is an absolutely outrageous and transparently self-serving argument. It's like saying, first car doesn't count because it wasn't a Tesla. First plane doesn't count because it wasn't a 747. Further, you can't claim quality standard when Thaddeus Howze's compared your film to Ed Wood. DreadClub already landed 3/3 on RottenTomatoes by professional critics, it won Best Director at Miami Street Film Festival, Best Animated Film at Mindfield, it was the first AI feature to land a major streaming license; all bars which 'Robots' failed to cross. 'First' is not defined from polish, it is not how 'first' works. Unreal.
If I understand correctly, you’re saying there’s a film called DreadClub which is an AI feature film that pre-dates Where The Robots Grow? Do you have a link to anything? TH-cam only has references to an old movie called Club Dread.
Thorough. As a Brummie in Birmingham the Film 'ELITE' are a bunch of total weirdos.
@@ZwaneMakki guy is coming in two years into the space and saying 'everything before me doesn't count, mine is just the best!' what a joke. how much personal hardship and sacrifice we all faced building the groundwork. will let history decide, not a couple internet articles.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker I would also like to know about that film
Forbes just issues a correction to preserve Hooroo Jackson's record, so 'tis all good 😇
I came across a channel on TH-cam called ai visionary films, they make pure ai movies. It’s unbelievable what ai if capable of nowadays.
Thanks for the heads up, I’ll check the channel out!
its not the 1st !!! "Published on July 21, 2023, 'Window Seat' emerged as the first-ever all A.I. full length movie." i just want to point at the youtube movie "Window Seat (2023) the First A.I. Feature Film // HD"
this one is older and claim to be the first : th-cam.com/video/WxVUxf1gcQw/w-d-xo.html
Thanks very much. Since I uploaded these interviews I've been contacted by a number of people with links to content that they feel is the rightful heir to the title of "World's First AI Movie". It turns out it's a hotly contested title with quite a lot of plausible claimants. At some point I may make a video about them all. Thanks for this link, I'll add it to the list :-)
A great interview and interesting to know how the film was put together. He also gets it: the clever people aren't those whinging about "boo hoo, AI companies are stealing my work!", the clever people are looking at how they can use this new tool for their benefit.
Absolutely. I think you’ll appreciate the other interview videos too. Tom is an incredibly insightful guy.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker looking forward to them. One small point - you may want to include the audio (with a slight volume reduction) from the mic of the person off-screen. I found it a bit strange to hear parts of replies as background sound. Otherwise, great stuff. I hope you will do some more interviews as and when things are released that warrant it
considering all the slop around AI, meh...i don't think this holds up.
I do agree with the general interpretation though in that...AI is something like a tool we have to use to explore our ideas and advance (or as another sentience we communicate with). But thing is people aren't using it as a tool in this manner, they are using it as a slop machine.
WOW! Just Wow!
Very interesting interview, thanks, I like Tom's last few points where he points out how you have to take the AI tools an innovate, film is a technological business
Absolutely! The next two parts of the interview will be in their way over the next few days. Tom is a man with a real vision and incredible insights.
Watched it the day it released and yes i thought the Ai was just used for the textures, not the animation.. so here iam ❤
I’m editing the rest of the interview now and Tom goes into more detail about the tools they used and where they used them. I definitely underestimated their achievements with this movie.
great job w the interview! It was worth the somewhat clickbaity title (hey, it had me clicking it, didn´t it?)
😆😆😆, yeahhhhh, I was in two minds about the clickbait, but I’m about to upload the second part of the interview and I’m going to see what happens when I tone it down 😁
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker it's a hard game for sure, the YT one! I'm eager for part 2 👍
part 3?
Coming this week 😁
Wrong it's not the first AI feature film... Lycos I is
th-cam.com/video/RJDtn5ehw_w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=k37B6Zi4vIYFwSpg
I’ll take a look and add it to the list. It turns out there are several other contenders for the title of “First AI Feature Film”, and I may create a video just about each of them (yours included). Thanks for the link :-)
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker it's great that TH-cam is documented proof of who may have been first. And you are awesome BTW.
yes, and this one is older and claim to be the first : th-cam.com/video/WxVUxf1gcQw/w-d-xo.html
How close did I come to how he did it?
I know!! Brownie point awarded 😆
I was like Tripo/Meshy for 3d models - Wonderstudio for animation - Unreal Engine for rendering - music aI plus real person
Good call!
That’s a great interview
There’s still two more parts to come, packed with thought-provoking insights.
Take a drink everytime he says QC.
😆😆😆
Very erudite and intelligent guy. Make no mistake, skeptical or scared of AI, our industry - in fact, every industry - is on the brink of intense change and we can't hide our heads in the sand. So, Tom, are you open to reading other writers' scripts? Or speaking at our festival, in Bath, in May 2025?😉
I’ll pass the message on to Tom :-)
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker ♥
What’s a “cash-flow facility”?
That’s actually a really good question that I didn’t think to ask at the time.
@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker We both need cashflow, i think.
hmm. the entire film could be done traditional CGI.. AND you could copyright its elements. not so sure you can merchandize those robot toys cleanly.
Merchandising… good point, hadn’t thought about that.
Haha. I said wonder dynamics. I pegged all of it.
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