This is probably the best deep dive video I’ve watched about wheelsets. It should be a much watch video for anybody that’s in the market for a new wheelset. You did an amazing job of pointing out how these wheelset differ and what types of rider each wheelset is best suited for. Hopefully you’ll be able to test some DT Swiss and I9 wheelsets at some point.
Steve, I bought some Zipp 3Zeromotos 2 years ago based on your original reviews. I like that you are honest about them being a challenging wheel build….but I’d like to add that if someone is not the home bike mechanic, DIY, wheel build and wheel truing guy they should plan on becoming that guy! I’ve been riding and racing since the early 90’s, owned a lot of wheels over the years, but never had such wonky wheels until the Zipps entered my life. They’re for the “mostly round = true” kinda guys for sure. They even came out of the box from Zipp a little funny. I ended up rebuilding them on Onyx hubs after a year or so as you have. However, with all that out of the way….I just absolutely love these wheels on my hardtail. Can’t really describe them, they seem to swim through singletrack like nothing else. They just need me (and a spoke wrench) as much as I need them.
Thanks for giving some props to 29x3. I have Stans Baron MK3 running 3” XR2’s and it has been fantastic, mine is on a Salsa Beargrease (carbon fat bike) and it is my long gravel ride adventure bike. I have Ibis 933 (~30mil wide) on my DV9, and I really think they are a fantastic budget wheelset for XC/trail riding.
Thank you for the video. The Stan's Arch MK4 is i28mm. I just ordered a custom set for my drop bar atb which will be running 29x2.35 xc tires. It's good to know that the Astral Serpentines aren't stiff, as I've been running those wheels for over 3 years now with i9 1/1 hubs. Been running with 29x2.6 tires & really enjoy the combo. Now the upgrade itch has been quelled! Appreciate it.
Great video! Notes: New Stan’s wheels optioned with M-Pulse hubs use the P321 magnetic pawls, but the rest of the design is unique. E-Sync hubs use 4-pawl hubs at 8.2° engagement intervals and chromoly axles. The P321 G3 hub is similar, but different. The M-Pulse hubs from Stans have a nice retaining ring to keep the pawls attached when the freehub body is removed. Some wheels I’m riding: Enigma: Stan’s Flow S2 front, EX3 rear w/ M-Pulse hub. Shred Dogg: Praxis AL32 (asymmetric) laced to P321 G2. Painful to seat tires, since the spoke holes overlap the surface where the bead starts to seat. Older rim tape is worse in this case since it sags into the spoke hole. Megatrail MX: Stan’s Flow S1 front, DT EX511 to P321 G2 rear. Hub is a little draggy, so I’ll clean and re-grease. This hub grenaded a magnet. Crash replacement $50 or so for a new, full set. Pulling the shards of magnet out from the drive ring sucked. Legend: EX511, Hope Pro 5 rear hub. Prior sets: Giant AM-2. Soft with brittle formula hubs. Onyx Classic was a wonderful hub. Hydra / Baron Mk3 w/ Sapin CX-Ray spokes. Snapped the axle, but I9 sent replacement V2 axle with bearings, no questions asked. I miss that wheelset, but wanted to move on from the Hydra hubs. I ought to be more in tune with spoke tensions, etc…
Amazing work and filled with great information. I don’t know how you have collected so many! Maybe you need to do a full shop tour if you haven’t. Though, I know you’re now moving. Glad you addressed the main elephant in the room of not having We Are One, those seem to be some of the most recommended on the forums I’m in. But also NOBL and I’ve seen some good chatter on Newmen, which aren’t so common here unless you’re buying a Propain.
Awesome in-depth wheel/rim discussion. I have to agree that the best rims I’ve ever used were the ibis rims, I’ve ridden both the 735 and the blackbird set. They are bombproof and I’m over 200lbs. I’m sold on the 35 internal width. But currently I’m running an aluminum Reserve HD 32 spoke with DT 350 Swiss hub, these are very stiff and tuff also, on my full squish.
Fantastic video Steve! I recently picked up a FSA Gradient WideR wheelset for the price of a bargain aluminum wheelset. wondering if you had any experience with them, as I’m going to be running them on my switch9er.
Well done comparison, just sharing that my experience with WTB CZRi30/Hydra wheel set has been fantastic. Please consider adding these in the future and also e*thirteen's new Flux line up!
I have the elite wheelset (the previous models? i27 for my XC bike). They weigh slightly more than 1300g and costed me less then $700. Been riding them pretty hard for about 6 months now and they have held true and quite frankly could be my favorite wheelset. Highly recommend
I'm so glad I bought my Horizon v2 wheelset, I just wish I could get a XD driver body for them because mine came with Microspline and all my spare higher end parts are Sram.. great video, thank you for taking the time to explain the differences in all these wheels. you are the BEST! hope you are feeling at least a little better these days. Cheers.
@@EasternOT you are a godsend. People are using a spank hex hub driver with a nukeproof horizon non drive side end cap and a spank end cap on the drive side to elimate a little play in the hub (caused my spank have dust seals vs nukeproof who didnt). Cheers mate, youve saved me from buying a whole new wheelset 😅
The Zipp 3Zeromotos are absolutely amazing and turn a stiff hardtail into a limo. Tracks wonderfully, takes out the harshness fiddling around with fine suspension setting cant, and mountain goats rocky technical uphills, One of the best purchases I've made in 30 years of MTB riding. Surprised I don't see more around.
Love this content Steve. I definitely geek out about wheels and have many custom sets similar to yours. I completely agree with the Berd spoke wheels and have sent Berd a few hub sets and had them custom built up with /from Berd. One of my Berd sets have the ONYX hook loop Vesper hubs laced up to DT Swiss XM481 rims. As for Zipp carbon, I have the XPLR 101 rims custom built with Chris King hubs, amazing unique carbon feel. I also love wide rims. I have i35 CB7 Stan’s Baron rims, i35,i40 and i45 RaceFace ARC rims. I completely agree that carbon can be lighter but isn’t always. Berd spokes are not only lighter but offer better vibration dampening properties. Double and triple butted spokes laced 3 cross with 32 hole rims also have better dampening properties than 28 or 24 spoke wheels. Almost every wheel set is used with CushCore, CushCore Wide and CC Gravel. I feel like that also makes the wheels more durable and more dampened too.
I had a terrible experience with Atomik. I ordered the FM30 rims this summer and it took almost 3 months to get them. Every time I asked for an update, or my money back I was told they were a week away from shipping. Horrible communication throughout. When I finally unboxed them, I realized they were Forge & Bond AM30's with Atomik decals (Wavy rim profile & Mfg. Information tag that reads: "F&B MTN30"). So I basically paid an extra $450 for a set of Atomik decals. I know they're essentially the same but it would have been nice to get what I paid for, or at the very least, not pay extra for what I got.
Got out on some Onyx hubs and super freaky light Nextie rims (cxray spokes) for the first time yesterday...If you haven't tried silent hubs you've got to try them, and man epically light rims make even the slightest downhill feel like you're flying!! (and even at 200lbs and for single speed, the onyx guys tried to get me to go with Vespers...I still wanted the classics though haha)
Solid insight on the ZIPP wheels! I run a 29" ZIPP 3zero moto as a front wheel on my Transition Patrol (Mx) with an e13 carbon rear (27.5) The zipp definitely had flex/squirmed too much for me to run it as a rear wheel but I absolutely like it as a front wheel. Thanks for all the "big brain partys" 👊
I LOVE my Evil Loopholes on a full suspension as well. Shame they don't make them anymore, but to your point they're very similar to other F&B products. They feel precise but not too stiff and I put a real beating on them riding in the techy northeast. zero complaints in ~1.5 years of riding them.
Loved this. Unfortunately I don’t have the $$$ to have different wheel sets but this is very interesting. Im kinda stuck with the bontrager line 30s that came with my Roscoe although I’ve been happy.
Thanks for another great video Steve, Nukeproof HZN V2 are still going strong, they've been a great upgrade to my Ragley Big AL HT (Which sadly is also discontinued since CRC/Wiggle went down)
Steve, what is your opinion about spoke count on hardtail wheels especially? I could get my hands on a set of 24 hole straightpull boost DT Swiss 350 hubs and had the idea of building a wide xc/light trail wheelset with 35i carbon rims. Would that topic make for an interesting video? Thanks for you great content btw!
I love carbon wheels and I can’t lie 😂. Have two NOBL (TR37 on process 153 and TR38 for 29+ on blizzard) sets and they have been awesome. Only trued the rear once over two seasons.
Seems like the ENVE M6 40i is gone from their lineup. Would love to invest in some 27.5+ carbon hoops but cant seem to find any in the wider internal width anymore!
I love my Blackbird Send rims but I can't say the same for the Ibis logo hubs. The engagement is fine but the durability has been awful. Within 1500 miles, the wheel bearings themselves went bad. Tried to service them but they're sealed so they need to be replaced. I've heard it's a pretty common issue from other people with the same wheels so I think I'm just going to get them re-laced to a better hub like a DT Swiss or i9.
@@BigBrainParty Absolutely, and this is my ignorance to the internals but I thought that would simply prolong the issue before it reoccurred. I was thinking changing the hub would avoid it reoccurring. I've had a pair of i9 1/1s that have been through much worse conditions and they're still super smooth.
@@TryRebootingyou could replace a lot of bearings for the cost of a new hub and relacing the wheel. There are a number of how-to videos on the subject here on TH-cam, or a shop could do it for a reasonable cost. If you use higher quality bearings, the time between change-outs should increase as well. As Steve said, these wheels are spec'd on Ibis' lower/medium builds. IMO, comparing the Ibis-branded hubs to I9 1/1's isn't really fair. Good luck whichever way you go!
I am waiting for new aluminum wheels to upgrade my 2023 TREK Roscoe 9. They are custom built based on DT Swiss XM421 and the fantastic new HOPE Pro 5 hubs. I use 2.40 tyres instead of the 2.60 OEM that I found way too big for me.
my Megatrail has Spank 350's; Mayhem 130 has WAO Faction; Enigma has E13 Grappler Race; and Spindrift has WAO union/strife. i'm kinda interested in Derby, and Atomik hoops. both seem quality.
I have Nobl TR 32 (last gen rim) DT Swiss spokes, Onyx SS hub and DT 180 front hub. I can say that for me they ride smoother than my aluminum wheels I replaced them with. They are the most comfortable wheels I’ve ever owned and I have been riding since the 1988 on MT bikes. I’m happy with the way they ride, wish I put on Berd spokes, but, the cost was a lot more a few years ago.
Missed dt swiss be interested to see how they compare to other brands would also be interested in seeing the bikes own brand wheels like Bongtager etc in this list
I need more long term use with those wheels before I share my opinions on them. Im not a huge fan of dt wheels. Ive had more pinch flats/chopped tires with those than anything else. I know everyone but me loves them and says they're indestructible but I'm bot a huge fan
AFAIK Nukeproof are no more anywhere in the world. There may be some new old stock still for sale but they no longer have any official dealerships and they no longer sell online (their website still lists all the products but it also says they have dealers in the US so I don't think its been updated in a while). I know Adam Brayton was sponsored by them and still rides a Dissent but he's mentioned that if he breaks it that's it, even he can't get any spares.
I’d be interested if Reserves Aluminum wheels would have the same stiff-leaning character, that warranty is super attractive but my hardtail legs have a good argument against me lol
That's the difference between Thermoset and Thermplastic composites. Thermoset cures when heated and thermoplastic melts when heated. Hence, thermoplastics can be recycled.
Steve I have a set of 3Zeromotos with Berd spokes and they work fantastic I rode mine on my Chromag stylus , dirt jumped them and trail rode them. since then I have sold the bike except the wheels , the are going on my Shadow cat
Why would 1/2 pound in wheel(s) weigth result in 3 or 4 pound when peddeling? Doesn’t the physics say it is a factor 2 maximum (all weigh in the rims), and thar only while accelerating?
Im not sure the exact ratio, but to me, I feel rotational weight a LOT more than overall weight. Total bike weight is a nice easy number to measure, which is why I think people gravitate towards it. But I feel like most people have far more tire than their trails demand. Most of the time when people want a "lighter bike" , faster rolling, lighter tire gives them the feel they're looking for.
Knight wheels are nice, but they are not the strongest and are terrible with warranty. I cracked a rear wheel on some blue tech. Nothing crazy. Rim was within warranty. Knight refused to replace the rim. Will never buy from Knight again
@p.c.9714 Should I just order a much cheaper WTB DX18 front wheel? I already have a rear WTB DX18 wheel, and it seems to be a decent wheel👍👍. They don't have Shimano hubs, though. It's only $100.00🍁
I've been subscribed to Hardtail Party for years and Dusty Betty even longer, but somehow I only found this channel today. Glad I found it.
Ditto
You should link those channels for us 😊
Me too :-)
Same. I had no clue this existed.
This is probably the best deep dive video I’ve watched about wheelsets. It should be a much watch video for anybody that’s in the market for a new wheelset.
You did an amazing job of pointing out how these wheelset differ and what types of rider each wheelset is best suited for.
Hopefully you’ll be able to test some DT Swiss and I9 wheelsets at some point.
The level of quality and knowledge you deliver is unreal. Thank you for your contribution to the bike world
Well that saved me months of research, God bless you Steve.
Steve, I bought some Zipp 3Zeromotos 2 years ago based on your original reviews. I like that you are honest about them being a challenging wheel build….but I’d like to add that if someone is not the home bike mechanic, DIY, wheel build and wheel truing guy they should plan on becoming that guy! I’ve been riding and racing since the early 90’s, owned a lot of wheels over the years, but never had such wonky wheels until the Zipps entered my life. They’re for the “mostly round = true” kinda guys for sure. They even came out of the box from Zipp a little funny. I ended up rebuilding them on Onyx hubs after a year or so as you have. However, with all that out of the way….I just absolutely love these wheels on my hardtail. Can’t really describe them, they seem to swim through singletrack like nothing else. They just need me (and a spoke wrench) as much as I need them.
Thanks for giving some props to 29x3. I have Stans Baron MK3 running 3” XR2’s and it has been fantastic, mine is on a Salsa Beargrease (carbon fat bike) and it is my long gravel ride adventure bike. I have Ibis 933 (~30mil wide) on my DV9, and I really think they are a fantastic budget wheelset for XC/trail riding.
@@ElevationEveryWeekend hey thanks for also making some of the best cycling content on youtube. Stay awesome 😎
@@MTB_CRZY thank you!
Thanks for the video. Good job as always.
Thank you so much!
Great video! Such a great topic to cover!
Great comparison Steve. The Ibis wheels and the Spank Vibrocore wheels seem like good options for me.
Thank you for the video. The Stan's Arch MK4 is i28mm. I just ordered a custom set for my drop bar atb which will be running 29x2.35 xc tires.
It's good to know that the Astral Serpentines aren't stiff, as I've been running those wheels for over 3 years now with i9 1/1 hubs. Been running with 29x2.6 tires & really enjoy the combo. Now the upgrade itch has been quelled! Appreciate it.
Great video! Notes: New Stan’s wheels optioned with M-Pulse hubs use the P321 magnetic pawls, but the rest of the design is unique. E-Sync hubs use 4-pawl hubs at 8.2° engagement intervals and chromoly axles. The P321 G3 hub is similar, but different. The M-Pulse hubs from Stans have a nice retaining ring to keep the pawls attached when the freehub body is removed.
Some wheels I’m riding:
Enigma: Stan’s Flow S2 front, EX3 rear w/ M-Pulse hub.
Shred Dogg: Praxis AL32 (asymmetric) laced to P321 G2. Painful to seat tires, since the spoke holes overlap the surface where the bead starts to seat. Older rim tape is worse in this case since it sags into the spoke hole.
Megatrail MX: Stan’s Flow S1 front, DT EX511 to P321 G2 rear. Hub is a little draggy, so I’ll clean and re-grease. This hub grenaded a magnet. Crash replacement $50 or so for a new, full set. Pulling the shards of magnet out from the drive ring sucked.
Legend: EX511, Hope Pro 5 rear hub.
Prior sets:
Giant AM-2. Soft with brittle formula hubs.
Onyx Classic was a wonderful hub.
Hydra / Baron Mk3 w/ Sapin CX-Ray spokes. Snapped the axle, but I9 sent replacement V2 axle with bearings, no questions asked. I miss that wheelset, but wanted to move on from the Hydra hubs.
I ought to be more in tune with spoke tensions, etc…
This guy is a national treasure. Let's continue to support him.
Amazing work and filled with great information. I don’t know how you have collected so many! Maybe you need to do a full shop tour if you haven’t. Though, I know you’re now moving.
Glad you addressed the main elephant in the room of not having We Are One, those seem to be some of the most recommended on the forums I’m in. But also NOBL and I’ve seen some good chatter on Newmen, which aren’t so common here unless you’re buying a Propain.
I did a full shop tour a few months back
Awesome in-depth wheel/rim discussion. I have to agree that the best rims I’ve ever used were the ibis rims, I’ve ridden both the 735 and the blackbird set. They are bombproof and I’m over 200lbs. I’m sold on the 35 internal width. But currently I’m running an aluminum Reserve HD 32 spoke with DT 350 Swiss hub, these are very stiff and tuff also, on my full squish.
Fantastic video Steve! I recently picked up a FSA Gradient WideR wheelset for the price of a bargain aluminum wheelset. wondering if you had any experience with them, as I’m going to be running them on my switch9er.
Thanks for the Masterful Insight!
Thank you so much!
Well done comparison, just sharing that my experience with WTB CZRi30/Hydra wheel set has been fantastic. Please consider adding these in the future and also e*thirteen's new Flux line up!
I have the elite wheelset (the previous models? i27 for my XC bike). They weigh slightly more than 1300g and costed me less then $700. Been riding them pretty hard for about 6 months now and they have held true and quite frankly could be my favorite wheelset. Highly recommend
Been looking to upgrade my rigid single speed wheelset - Trying not to add too much weight but those ZIPP 3ZEROs sound neat!
Top notch video Steve, thank you!
I'm so glad I bought my Horizon v2 wheelset, I just wish I could get a XD driver body for them because mine came with Microspline and all my spare higher end parts are Sram.. great video, thank you for taking the time to explain the differences in all these wheels. you are the BEST! hope you are feeling at least a little better these days. Cheers.
From what I’ve read, Spank hex hubs are the same hubs as the nukeproof horizon v2 hubs. You should be able to buy a spank XD driver and install It
@@EasternOT you are a godsend. People are using a spank hex hub driver with a nukeproof horizon non drive side end cap and a spank end cap on the drive side to elimate a little play in the hub (caused my spank have dust seals vs nukeproof who didnt). Cheers mate, youve saved me from buying a whole new wheelset 😅
@@MTB_CRZYsweet I’m glad you were able to find more info about It!
The Zipp 3Zeromotos are absolutely amazing and turn a stiff hardtail into a limo. Tracks wonderfully, takes out the harshness fiddling around with fine suspension setting cant, and mountain goats rocky technical uphills, One of the best purchases I've made in 30 years of MTB riding. Surprised I don't see more around.
Love this content Steve. I definitely geek out about wheels and have many custom sets similar to yours. I completely agree with the Berd spoke wheels and have sent Berd a few hub sets and had them custom built up with /from Berd. One of my Berd sets have the ONYX hook loop Vesper hubs laced up to DT Swiss XM481 rims. As for Zipp carbon, I have the XPLR 101 rims custom built with Chris King hubs, amazing unique carbon feel. I also love wide rims. I have i35 CB7 Stan’s Baron rims, i35,i40 and i45 RaceFace ARC rims.
I completely agree that carbon can be lighter but isn’t always. Berd spokes are not only lighter but offer better vibration dampening properties. Double and triple butted spokes laced 3 cross with 32 hole rims also have better dampening properties than 28 or 24 spoke wheels.
Almost every wheel set is used with CushCore, CushCore Wide and CC Gravel. I feel like that also makes the wheels more durable and more dampened too.
Astral, White and Rolf all under "one" house now. great products
Excellent video and the information top notch as everything you do!🙏 do you have any information on NOX Farlow’s?
Would love your thoughts on Nobl wheels!
I had a terrible experience with Atomik. I ordered the FM30 rims this summer and it took almost 3 months to get them. Every time I asked for an update, or my money back I was told they were a week away from shipping. Horrible communication throughout. When I finally unboxed them, I realized they were Forge & Bond AM30's with Atomik decals (Wavy rim profile & Mfg. Information tag that reads: "F&B MTN30"). So I basically paid an extra $450 for a set of Atomik decals.
I know they're essentially the same but it would have been nice to get what I paid for, or at the very least, not pay extra for what I got.
Thanks!
You rock, thank you so much!
Awesome video, thanks Steve!
Got out on some Onyx hubs and super freaky light Nextie rims (cxray spokes) for the first time yesterday...If you haven't tried silent hubs you've got to try them, and man epically light rims make even the slightest downhill feel like you're flying!! (and even at 200lbs and for single speed, the onyx guys tried to get me to go with Vespers...I still wanted the classics though haha)
Way to hold out for the classics, it's worth it
Solid insight on the ZIPP wheels! I run a 29" ZIPP 3zero moto as a front wheel on my Transition Patrol (Mx) with an e13 carbon rear (27.5) The zipp definitely had flex/squirmed too much for me to run it as a rear wheel but I absolutely like it as a front wheel.
Thanks for all the "big brain partys" 👊
Mello Bouwmeester started the single layer rim, and either licensed or sold the patent to Zipp. He worked with Crank Brother on the Synthesis.
nobl wheels would be a good addition.
I LOVE my Evil Loopholes on a full suspension as well. Shame they don't make them anymore, but to your point they're very similar to other F&B products. They feel precise but not too stiff and I put a real beating on them riding in the techy northeast. zero complaints in ~1.5 years of riding them.
I don't think id be able to tell between all f+b wheels, whether evil, atomik, chris king, or f+b. They all feel the same to me
@@BigBrainParty a big part of why Evil decided to back out.
I think of ya often and fondly…
Hope you are doing well amigo.
Love my Horizon V2's, coming on 2 years old and no issues what so ever..Quality Wheelset...ha!
Loved this. Unfortunately I don’t have the $$$ to have different wheel sets but this is very interesting. Im kinda stuck with the bontrager line 30s that came with my Roscoe although I’ve been happy.
Good stuff. Do another down the road if it suits you. Maybe have a look at SPANK wheels
Thanks for another great video Steve, Nukeproof HZN V2 are still going strong, they've been a great upgrade to my Ragley Big AL HT
(Which sadly is also discontinued since CRC/Wiggle went down)
Such a sad day when they announced that.
Steve, what is your opinion about spoke count on hardtail wheels especially? I could get my hands on a set of 24 hole straightpull boost DT Swiss 350 hubs and had the idea of building a wide xc/light trail wheelset with 35i carbon rims. Would that topic make for an interesting video? Thanks for you great content btw!
Def an experiment for s future video
Waiting on a set of Astral Serpentine alloys. Reassuring to hear good things about them!
I love carbon wheels and I can’t lie 😂. Have two NOBL (TR37 on process 153 and TR38 for 29+ on blizzard) sets and they have been awesome. Only trued the rear once over two seasons.
@BigBrainParty definitely love to see a comparison to the Hope Fortus Single Cavity 30 wheels with the fantastic Hope Pro 5 hubs.
Id love to compare those back to back as well. I've never seen either in person before.
Nice rundown
Great video. What about the Hunt proven? They are carbon and cost around 1000$
Got some new Nukeproof for £240 for both! Evens cycles with Fraser club card.
Seems like the ENVE M6 40i is gone from their lineup. Would love to invest in some 27.5+ carbon hoops but cant seem to find any in the wider internal width anymore!
Hi Steve, do you have any thoughts about the "affordable" ENVE AM30 especially for a hardtail use?
I haven't tried em yet, but I'd like to.
I love my Blackbird Send rims but I can't say the same for the Ibis logo hubs. The engagement is fine but the durability has been awful. Within 1500 miles, the wheel bearings themselves went bad. Tried to service them but they're sealed so they need to be replaced. I've heard it's a pretty common issue from other people with the same wheels so I think I'm just going to get them re-laced to a better hub like a DT Swiss or i9.
Can you not just press out the beatings and replace them with something higher quality?
Yes, you can press the existing bearings out and replace them. 🙂
@@BigBrainParty Absolutely, and this is my ignorance to the internals but I thought that would simply prolong the issue before it reoccurred. I was thinking changing the hub would avoid it reoccurring. I've had a pair of i9 1/1s that have been through much worse conditions and they're still super smooth.
@@TryRebootingyou could replace a lot of bearings for the cost of a new hub and relacing the wheel.
There are a number of how-to videos on the subject here on TH-cam, or a shop could do it for a reasonable cost.
If you use higher quality bearings, the time between change-outs should increase as well.
As Steve said, these wheels are spec'd on Ibis' lower/medium builds.
IMO, comparing the Ibis-branded hubs to I9 1/1's isn't really fair.
Good luck whichever way you go!
I am waiting for new aluminum wheels to upgrade my 2023 TREK Roscoe 9. They are custom built based on DT Swiss XM421 and the fantastic new HOPE Pro 5 hubs. I use 2.40 tyres instead of the 2.60 OEM that I found way too big for me.
my Megatrail has Spank 350's; Mayhem 130 has WAO Faction; Enigma has E13 Grappler Race; and Spindrift has WAO union/strife.
i'm kinda interested in Derby, and Atomik hoops. both seem quality.
Nice fleet! I have a Megatrail and Enigma, amongst some other gems 🤘🏼
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Nobl wheels, it'd be great if they sent you some!
I agree. Id assume they feel like light bicycle. I know light bicycle makes NOBL's rims to NOBL's specs
I have Nobl TR 32 (last gen rim) DT Swiss spokes, Onyx SS hub and DT 180 front hub. I can say that for me they ride smoother than my aluminum wheels I replaced them with. They are the most comfortable wheels I’ve ever owned and I have been riding since the 1988 on MT bikes. I’m happy with the way they ride, wish I put on Berd spokes, but, the cost was a lot more a few years ago.
Do you find carbon wheels to keep true and or keep tension longer or is that more of a wheel stiffness property?
Depends on the wheel and who built it, but generally, most carbon wheels dont need as much truing as most aluminum wheels
Missed dt swiss be interested to see how they compare to other brands would also be interested in seeing the bikes own brand wheels like Bongtager etc in this list
I need more long term use with those wheels before I share my opinions on them. Im not a huge fan of dt wheels. Ive had more pinch flats/chopped tires with those than anything else. I know everyone but me loves them and says they're indestructible but I'm bot a huge fan
Hope you can test Nobl rims!
AFAIK Nukeproof are no more anywhere in the world. There may be some new old stock still for sale but they no longer have any official dealerships and they no longer sell online (their website still lists all the products but it also says they have dealers in the US so I don't think its been updated in a while). I know Adam Brayton was sponsored by them and still rides a Dissent but he's mentioned that if he breaks it that's it, even he can't get any spares.
I’d be interested if Reserves Aluminum wheels would have the same stiff-leaning character, that warranty is super attractive but my hardtail legs have a good argument against me lol
Im curious about this too
New BFe out today Steve. Are you going to review it?
Maybe when i get healthy enough to ride hardtails again
@@BigBrainParty all the best buddy I hope your are well soon
pretty sure nukeproof is gone everywhere but may be restructered after the buyout. they might be back in a couple years.
But fast engagement is bad for full suspension bike because of the pedal kick, or?
That's the difference between Thermoset and Thermplastic composites. Thermoset cures when heated and thermoplastic melts when heated. Hence, thermoplastics can be recycled.
Thank you for teaching me something new today! Great addition.
Any experience with Derby Rims or Nexie rims?
Steve I have a set of 3Zeromotos with Berd spokes and they work fantastic I rode mine on my Chromag stylus , dirt jumped them and trail rode them. since then I have sold the bike except the wheels , the are going on my Shadow cat
Awesome Which nipples did you use for the build? Im curious how they're taped for tubeless
I am planning to move back to AZ maybe I just let you ride them and Disect them =)
Why are so many places out of stock? I’d buy the spinergy wheels but they’ve been out of stock for months. So are Zipp.
I got 2 sets on my two bikes of the horizon V2 nukeproof.
You're joking, right?
No DT Swiss... no (Hardtail) party! 🎉🥳🎉
I dont have any of those in for review. Im not a huge fan of the 1900s or the 1700s. I know everyone else loves them, but not me
Why would 1/2 pound in wheel(s) weigth result in 3 or 4 pound when peddeling? Doesn’t the physics say it is a factor 2 maximum (all weigh in the rims), and thar only while accelerating?
Im not sure the exact ratio, but to me, I feel rotational weight a LOT more than overall weight. Total bike weight is a nice easy number to measure, which is why I think people gravitate towards it. But I feel like most people have far more tire than their trails demand. Most of the time when people want a "lighter bike" , faster rolling, lighter tire gives them the feel they're looking for.
Enve have switched to normal spokes now
The plural of Ibus is Ibi. 😂
Reserve aluminum, very little out there about them
I haven't ridden them yet sadly.
What bout the Dt Swiss M1900? Btw how do I get those hardtailparty stickers?
I sell hardtail party stickers through patreon. Patreon.com/hardtailparty
Bankruptcy term uk - Another way of "saying bankruptcy" would be Nukeproof going into administration status.
Knight wheels are nice, but they are not the strongest and are terrible with warranty. I cracked a rear wheel on some blue tech. Nothing crazy. Rim was within warranty. Knight refused to replace the rim. Will never buy from Knight again
no dt swiss 😢
Who knew recycling carbon was evil?
I want to order a set of Mavic Crossride 26" wheels. ($600.00$650.00🍁) I'm just wondering, with fewer spokes, what weight can they hold. I'm 250 lbs.
120kg/265 lbs. You will be at the upper edge 😬
@p.c.9714 Should I just order a much cheaper
WTB DX18 front wheel? I already have a rear WTB DX18 wheel, and it seems to be a decent wheel👍👍. They don't have Shimano hubs, though. It's only $100.00🍁
No Rovals.???
Tried to watch but the commercials every 2 minutes is ridiculous 😢
I like your content, but when the first wheelset cost $2200, it seemed like the wrong place for me.
Some of these wheelsets are $550
I would recommend watching the entire video a second time, you might have missed a couple of really good value options!
He reflected on so many others. Wtf comment
Reach out to SpokeX!
Thanks!