Rookie of the Year 4x scoring leader 2x 50-40-90 club 6x All NBA first team 1x NBA MVP 2x Champ 2x FMVP 3x Gold Metalist (scoring leader) #10 points of all time Dude missed almost 2 season with a career ending injury and came back more elite. He’s done everything in my option but the casual fan wants a story and KDs career is undervalued bc they say he’s a snake. Lebron went through the same thing with the Heat. KD gonna have to win a ring with the Suns or go back to OKC and help them win a ring, fans want a story.
What u mean almost 2 season? He lost just 19/20 and came back in 20/21 season He has a great resume no one is denying that, but he no where near Goat talk
KD will always be my GOAT and Im talking about multi skilled player who can do pretty much everything. Undisputed GOAT and even coming back stronger after achilles injury full stop! Just look at how many elite players after injury they have never came back back the same explosive as KD. He is the living legend and a testament to ever play even after a career ending with achilles injury!
True talk . I believe wat kd meant was he can hang der with anyone head to head if we talking about pure basketball and not team accomplishment . He knows hes not the goat .
KD was asked if he belongs in the conversation… all he said was “Why not?” basically. People out here acting like he walked up to the mic and proclaimed himself the goat unprovoked. He’s just answering the question.
Him and PG’s comeback are the most underrated comebacks from injury. If Gordon Hayward would’ve continued on the path he was headed I would’ve included him too but he truly hasn’t been the same
KD deserves to be in that conversation, what he brought to teams he played with until now is unquestionable, his work ethics , dedication. Those fans who questioned his greatness that’s your own opinion. There are fans who just love to hate but for those who been watching his games. We appreciate him as one of the greatest who plays the game called basketball
@@MobPsychoooooo I believe he's not top 3 or 5 where you're actually you are in the goat conversation. He's more like top 10 to me but he's still one of the GOATs
Melo is speaking facts man, Kevin Durant is definitely one of the Goats and should be in the conversations. love to see a hof player giving such high praise to someone he has competed against
@@kavinpassmore5126What hasn't he done? You're of course gonna say like a kid " He has to win without Steph" 🤓 When he literally carried him to two chips and got both fmvps
@@Mihailo26 your definition of greatness is probably based off legacy and accolades.. name 10 players all time that is BETTER then KD. Just purely based off skill and talent.
@@justinp2000 we don't need all-time players... we can say Devin Booker is the bus driver at this moment... KD was never a bus driver in any team... ever. Every all-time player was a bus driver. KD is just a little bit better than MPJ from Denver because of the MPJ back injury/operation
I think kd meant be in the goat conversation, he always talks with high regard for mj, lebron , kobe. He even gives both shaq and Barkley lots of recognition even though they try to beat him up at every chance they get
@heywella I never said that qualified him to be the best player ever. Please,pay attention, if you read what I said, happy to explain again. He was asked the question should he be in the goat conversation, he said he thinks he should be in the conversation, never said he thinks he is the goat
I feel like that 2021 playoffs really was the crossroads of his legacy, if KD foot was behind the 3 and he went to the finals and got that chip, he would be up a couple more spots in the all time greats discussion
The gap between KD and the GOAT convo is as big as Melo and his peers from his generation. There’s a difference between being one of the greats to play the game and being the greatest to ever play.
@@sarailustre8131 No one respects a fence sitter dude. Listing out the best to ever play by tiers or individual rankings is not hard and to “well they’re all great players” or “nobody’s right, it’s all opinion” is just a way to torpedo the convo. Of course it’s all opinion based and hypothetical, what’s wrong with that? Give your order and reasoning and that’s it. Only way I could see someone be afraid to give their ranking is if they have shit reasoning
Lebron ain't close then either as KD is so much better then LeBron at majority of the game. Lebron better dunker and better passer. That's it. KD better ft,mid range, three point. Shooting. Better defender, better handles. Just hadn't had the better teams or luck with injuries
The GOAT conversation in basketball is a battle between the game and the marketing of the game. KD is a scoring machine- period. But playing in OKC with the players around him and a system that was constantly abandoned was not optimizing his talent. That's not his fault. Even when he was in Golden State and was approached about Pat Bev "stopping him," he addressed it by saying he was working in the flow of the offense...then came out and got 50! Machine and one of the purest scorers ever! You have to give him some props considering he scores a bunch from outside...just like MJ and Kobe are two guards who are tops all-time in scoring among big men. That shows how special they are.
Yes bron wins them rings because the cavs at full health was better than the warriors thats why the warriors went to get kd. yes he couldve said no but he was called to do a job he done it twice
Idk if KD meant the actual goat debate or just being recognized as one of the GOATS I’m leaning more towards the second one but even if he meant being the actual GOAT I see nothing wrong with it because it’s all opinion based and most don’t even put thought into it just go on the net see who has the most “agreeable” and bandwagon on that like they say k was
@@bjrnthebootybandit it’s subjective at the end of the day that’s all I’m if u feel like he wasn’t the in the 2010 decade then cool I think lebron had a better run in the decade but say he was the better player I just can’t give him that to me it’s just bron and KD steph isn’t in the convo for me because he can’t play both sides of the ball and the SF was the impactful/important position for a team to win the ship
@@michaelpatterson8353 I feel KD defense is less impactful than Steph's off the ball movement as Steph = an entire offensive system and regularly featured as the key factor in the best offense in the league. Individual defense is a bit overrated especially when its only decent and one aspect of defense. KD isn't exactly a lock on defense
To be in the conversation of THE GOAT is absolutely insane and I love KD’s game. If we’re being honest can we even confirm if hes top 10 all time? Even thats a discussion and most people would never split on that with more historians leaning towards no.
Kd top 10 if we are talking about pure basketball head to head shit . Dis goat talk yall using team accomplishment and rings . Injury slowed KD down , im sure he will finish top 5 in points before he hangs it up .
he's not (lacks MVP's, defence, rings, passing), but as a pure scorer he's up there with anyone ever, and Kobe, KD, Pierce, guys who matched up with him will all agree
In terms of accolades he still has more basketball to play, in terms of skillset, he’s definitely in it. The problem with that is that when in the GOAT discussion they look at EVERYTHING, so he has a ways to go. But we not gone pretend like KD is not an animal that’s unguardable on that court, we know who he is
KD 💯% should be in the 🐐🐐 convo. He was with a team for 10yrs before he finally got a Championship 🏆 LeBron got his after 7yrs. These players out there filling up the resumes, just like any person would "WE ALL WANT WHATS BEST FOR YOURSELF" KD💙💙
That’s not what it means to me. I grew up in Philadelphia I will never forget when my dad brought the newspaper home and Dr. J was on the front cover. I loved how he played the game and carried his self off the court, to this day Dr J is still my favorite player and Jordan is the GOAT. People think their favorite player has to be the GOAT which is not the cast they are two separate things.
@@davidstokes8851 I agree that it should be two different things. But if we’re putting people like KD and Steph into the conversation conversation now it’s just become favorite player. To me if you ask someone who is the goat and there is no consensus but the question you should be asking is who is the best player of the game of basketball you have ever seen? At this point people are just throwing names around a couple young guys said Paul George is the goat
KD is the only player who ever matched with Lebron and for years, no other player has ever done it, add MVP, 2 finals MVP, 4 scoring champ, superstar since 21, wit being maybe the best scorer ever, he should feel like he’s supposed to be in the debate
Melo is DOPE. BUT BEING PURE SCORER DOESN'T MAKE U IN GOAT CONVERSATION. HE GOT THE SKILL THE GAME BUT dominating the league is multiple mvp, doing intangibles, and having leadership to take a team beyond their potential. MJ, BRON, MAGIC, KAREEM, KOBE... These people are all in the conversation. Not just about skill and pulling up from 30. If that's case KD would have 8 rings
KD is a basketball genius.He's your favorite player's favorite player. He can score anytime, anywhere, anyhow, even now. I don't care if he's a 'goat' or not, he belongs in the pantheon of basketball geniuses
KD is nice. He definitely would have 3 rings if wasn't for the injuries. Toronto got lucky with 3 bounces and injuries to Klay and KD to get there title
It's not KD's job/responsibility/obligation to make the league more "competitive." He had an opportunity in front of him to get the things he wants in life, and that's what EVERY MAN should do. When you pass on opportunities because of the wrong reasons (e.g., peer pressure, public opinion, etc.), then you're giving away the limited amount of power/control you have to direct your life where you want it to go. In other words, you lose in the game of life.
Thank you someone finally said it it’s he’s career not y’all’s if he wanna go to a different team that’s him at the end of the day it’s all about winning and he did that yall bash him for winning and yall definitely would’ve bashed him if they lost KD literally did the same as the lebron had a situation where it wasn’t going nowhere so he left and joined a better team and was still the best player on that team so if your gonna bash KD bash Bron too since it’s a bad thing to better your career
Context matters when debating whos the GOAT. If MJ said fuck it and joined the pistons or if larry bird joined the lakers the convo would be much different. It wasnt like KD was on a struggling team barely making the playoffs. Hes def one of the greatest scorers of all time but thats where the convo ends
I believe wat kd meant was he can hang der with anyone head to head if we talking about pure basketball skill set and not team accomplishment . He knows hes not the goat . Kd respects bron,kobe, mj and other dudes that came before him.Things get ugly when you start putting a 6'3 dude ahead of him in all time list becos of team achievement lol . KD was born to play basketball, he put alot of time into it dts its ego talking . Hes meant to feel that way about himself . Simple.
Levron vs KD have faced each other three times in the NBA Finals, with Durant leading 2-1. KD won two NBA Finals series as a member of the Golden State Warriors, while James won his lone series over Durant in the 2012 NBA Finals between the Miami Heat and OKC Thunder.Durant and James played 14 times in the NBA Finals, with KD winning nine times. The Warriors, with KD, are 8-1 against LeBron. As for their own performances in the regular season, Kevin Durant and LeBron James are almost equal in terms of scoring average. KD is the better scorer and shooter, but James is the better passer, rebounder and defender
@@Ace_D_Toxic in game 7 by 3 points and you add an all time great former MVP to replace the guy who was missing the open jumpers in Harrison Barnes so definitely not irrelevant
KD changed the game. He's one of the gratest at the LBJ Era but not THE goat... The greatest Scorer and the best package as a basketball player and even before i heard about LBJ, i heard about KD. His name is close as famous as the fame of LBJ.
@@wmasterss GTFOH wit all these couch potato fake-ass internet narratives....the bottom line is there are not 5 men in the history of THE NBA that can stand in front of Kevin Durant with a basketball mano-a-mano and not get they ass SMOKED💨💨...IDGAF about all that "he went to Golden State" blah blah blah shit or Brooklyn or any other team scenario. The man is the purest 3 level scorer the league has ever seen and a pure hooper in every sense of the word. Not one person in these comments can step on the court and do HALF the shit he does with ease....AND he is an above-average defender with a nice ass handle at 6'11....mfs don't know basketball and obviously never played 21 at the park growing up, I'm Chicago born-and-bred so I was raised watching the GOAT OF ALL GOATS aka Michael Jeffrey Jordan so I know a baller when I see one. Fuck that team shit, can't nary a nigga in the league stop him. PERIOD.
I wish yall would understand what GOAT MEANS!!! Its not a plural declaration there can only be 1 BASED ON WHAT IT STANDS FOR THEEEE GREATEST OF ALL TIME ! Kd is a legend of the game gonna be a hall of famer das all one of the greats in nba history but that goat title is for THE GUY
This guy is 7ft with the craziest bag as a scorer in NBA history I don't understand why some people feel great putting other people down somehow But to a lot of people there's no denying just the raw talent and his impact to winning He's mentality He's love for the game He's impact to a lot of great NBA players (he's the favorite player to your favorite player) He should definitely be in that (G. O. A. T) conversation Even though to me MJ is the baddest mf that ever played Kobe is close but apart from those two I would pick KD on my team first probably 9 times out of 10 every single time
@@onehand-yusuf7212 what do you mean legacy Are we talking about accolades Are we talking about impact Are we talking about mastering the game or components of the game of basketball Because I'm pretty sure he's got a very impressive resume and he's still playing
@@samiyoliLegacy = Career . More than 8 players have a better Career /Legacy than KD not to mention guy like Jokic Embid Giannas who can still add to their legacies
@@onehand-yusuf7212 well this is your opinion But if I'm widely regarded as the best scorer in NBA history Very few people can say that A lot of people aspire to be the best at their job and if someone is considered to be the best at something or an aspect of that thing Then I know he's definitely special and very few players can say that So maybe 8 players in your opinion have a better career but very few of those are the best at doing certain things on the basketball court that impact winning Nonetheless he might not be your goat but deserves to be in the conversation
i've never seen anyone talk what melo just said about if kd didn't go to the bay lebron would have dominate the nba maybe untill kawhi idk. this is just a fact, maybe people talk shit to kd because of lebron and what would it hapenned if warriors didn't have that team.
@@johnnyblingg the nba spoon fed that ring to Bron. They weren’t gonna let Curry take over the league with Bron being the face of Nike Dubs had a mountain of cap space in the 16 offseason, they would have improved and come back with vengeance. Cleveland was doomed regardless
If people gonna talk down on KD for joining the Warriors they need to talk down on Curry, Klay and Draymond for recruiting him to the Warriors too because they reached out to him not the other way around
but is that caring about the purity of basketball if it’s not caring about he competitive aspect at the same time ? For a few of us that care about that in every aspect of any game in any sport we can’t respect that particular move. He’s definitely a 2x champion and finals mvp that’s no debating , blatant assassin , and probably top 3 scorers of all time , but you can’t get mad at us for slighting it .
how do you slight 3 gold medals tho and the all time usa basketball scoring leader ? that has nothing to do with the warriors and is relevant b/c it is a part of his career
If we take out decisions on teams to play for and just think about pure basketball kd is 100% going to or will be in goat conversation we will all miss durant when he retires
Kd is top 10 all time. Lets stop the madness. Greatest scorer… Kd treats the NBA like the rucker park with his size and skill. That warrior move helped and hurt at the same time is all. He hasn’t won since but with the right squad he look like the goat
He is the best bucket getter because of his height and shooting abilities. The only reason why he wasn't considered by many is that he joined the best team in the league to get 2 rings. He can score at will he's just not an elite defender. MJ is the best two way player. Hands down.
Right but he is a goat for sure n he took them back to back. Smart business move on kd. He is an elite defender fyi. Not as much now but overall definitely
We will forever debate it since what he did has impact on two other greats. So many scenarios and the fans are divided and the media knows it and will keep throwing it out there since it’s something we can always say what if. At the end of the day we all know the impact all three have on the game. We should debate on who had a better 3 like Bron KD Curry at any era at the same time. Put that up there but that doesn’t sale or generate revenue cause we are more focused on what we have witnessed. Curry and those 3 points and range is a whole new world of its own. Lebron for 21 years from the hype at such age has the biggest success history. KD just a whole different built scoring machine that nobody has ever seen before. Whatever base you support at the end still appreciate for them to be witnessed on the greatest stage in the biggest screens.
@@johnnyblinggkd aint in that tier mate . Kd is in bird tier not fckin drexler tier . Bron ,kd dis dudes ve bn playing like forever and still good , most especially KD with all the injuries . Dude can still ball avg 30
KD needed to stay the 2nd best at that time. It didn’t matter what he did or didn’t do there was always going to be an excuse for why he’s number 2. Number 1 was more marketable. The same people that criticized his move to dubs excused their number 1 for practically doing the same thing ( but justify why KD’s was worse so they could keep him at 2). These people say he never lead a team on his own but never point out that the best chance he had to do that was when their number 1 beat him with a Superteam . Ironically that same person who took that chance away with a superteam is considered better . Hopefully KD can be at peace with knowing that the real ones know. Also hear them and their number 1 talk about his poor teams but completely ignore that Russ was immature at time and arguably ran KD away( my personal opinion is teaming up with the guard that beat them was his way of getting back at Russ)
Aside from stats, skills, and accolades, being a GOAT should translate to winning in the NBA as the best player in a team. KD won 2 chips as the best player with the GSW. So he should be in the conversation. Those who argue that he only won because he joined a stacked GSW roster who was the champs before and had the best regular season record ever, probably has never been the best player in a team and won a chip.
Everybody talking about kd going from team to team he gotta do what best for him no me or nobody else Micheal Jordan ain’t win 6rings by himself he had a team that didn’t get credit plus kd always dominated he just had players around him who always come up short in clutch
i dont like when old heads say people should be in the conversation they know will never be considered a goat. like its mj and lebron. anyone else isnt in the conversation and will never be above those 2. so lets not waste time talkng about them. and no one with 2 chips and 1 mvp will ever be above mj or bron and even if lebron and mj only had 2 chips, kd had them on the greatest team ever and vs in 2018 one of the worst teams to ever make the finals. the fact bron was in the finals in 2018 is better than kd even winning it.
Stop trying to be slick and add lebron in there. Just knock it off you are clearly not old enough to see MJ in his prime if you think Lebron is even coming close to MJ
@@H0VA MJ beat a injured lakers team, a bum suns team compared to all the teams lebron played and the jazz and super sonics were good all time teams but nothing compared to those bulls teams or the all time spurs or warriors. MJ didnt win a single playoff series without pippen while lebron took 2 bum cavs teams to the finals. if MJ had lebrons career path he maybe would be 5 for 8 at best in the finals because i cant defend the 2011 series and MJ prob wouldve won that but he wouldnt have made it to the finals in 2007 or 2018 and making the finals those years are worth more than the suns and lakers chip MJ has to me. MJ had one of the best coaches of all time, one of the best shooters of all time and a top 3 defensive player of all time with the best robin to a batman of all time. scottie pippen was in the mvp race when MJ left and the bulls were 1 win away from the finals, when lebron left the cavs and heat, both teams went to the worst teams in the league. yes they lost more than just lebron but everyone knows both teams wouldnt even make the playoffs or be a 1st round exit without bron. lebron is the better passer, rebounder, shoots a higher FG%, has done more with less and has played against the most competition out of any player in nba history. the league now is better in everyway from defensive schemes to offensive threats. thats not MJs fault but its how time works, things get better overtime as more things are learned and more resources are had. Lebron did more in a harder era vs harder competition for a longer period of time. MJ is a better pure scorer and has a better winning finals record and thats all. if you take into account context and look at everything as a totality and not inside boxes, it is very obvious lebron is the greatest player of all time when it comes to basketball and plays the game how it was meant to be played and better. switch their careers and lebron goes 6 for 6 easily as well and doesnt retire and goes onto win 8-9 straight. put MJ on lebrons teams and he realistically wins in 2011 but loses to the spurs both times and maybe even OKC and loses to the 73 win warriors so ill say he goes 3 for 8 in the finals not even making it in 2018 and 2007.
Rookie of the Year
4x scoring leader
2x 50-40-90 club
6x All NBA first team
1x NBA MVP
2x Champ
2x FMVP
3x Gold Metalist (scoring leader)
#10 points of all time
Dude missed almost 2 season with a career ending injury and came back more elite. He’s done everything in my option but the casual fan wants a story and KDs career is undervalued bc they say he’s a snake. Lebron went through the same thing with the Heat. KD gonna have to win a ring with the Suns or go back to OKC and help them win a ring, fans want a story.
Top 15 all time accolades not Goat
What u mean almost 2 season? He lost just 19/20 and came back in 20/21 season
He has a great resume no one is denying that, but he no where near Goat talk
KD has never even made 1 defensive team, so majority won't even consider in him top 5 ever.
I think that's definitely good enough just as it is if you add that he's widely regarded as the greatest scorer ever
He'll never be better than LeBron. Lol how is he they goat when he's not better than curry to most
Melo is 100% correct. I trust hoopers over internet talkers anyday
You trust Perkins
@@demonNthesn0w he wasn’t a real hooper. Just a big waste of space
Facts
@@demonNthesn0wover you? Absolutely I would trust a professional player over a nobody
@@WolvyBlkhe's done literally accomplished more than u have
KD will always be my GOAT and Im talking about multi skilled player who can do pretty much everything. Undisputed GOAT and even coming back stronger after achilles injury full stop! Just look at how many elite players after injury they have never came back back the same explosive as KD. He is the living legend and a testament to ever play even after a career ending with achilles injury!
True talk . I believe wat kd meant was he can hang der with anyone head to head if we talking about pure basketball and not team accomplishment . He knows hes not the goat .
If u goin multi skilled then its kyrie…
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Agree 💯
@@emkast8257 Kyrie can't block shots like KD tho or rebound. KD can literally give you some of everything
KD was asked if he belongs in the conversation… all he said was “Why not?” basically. People out here acting like he walked up to the mic and proclaimed himself the goat unprovoked. He’s just answering the question.
His ACL recovery is so under appreciated. He tore it and came back and did the same if not even better .
Achilles
Not as explosive tho
Pre injury KD was definitely better. Nothing to argue here.
totally agree especially since he was a toenail from beating the Bucks that won the championship even wile dealing with Irving Harden and the Nets
Him and PG’s comeback are the most underrated comebacks from injury. If Gordon Hayward would’ve continued on the path he was headed I would’ve included him too but he truly hasn’t been the same
KD deserves to be in that conversation, what he brought to teams he played with until now is unquestionable, his work ethics , dedication. Those fans who questioned his greatness that’s your own opinion. There are fans who just love to hate but for those who been watching his games. We appreciate him as one of the greatest who plays the game called basketball
Mj, Bron, Kareem, Kobe, Timmy have those work ethics and dedication while having way better accolades than him lol.
@@MobPsychooooooKD belongs there. Stop it.
@@GC_35 yeah he's one of the goats, but the goat conversation? nah.
@@MobPsychoooooo I believe he's not top 3 or 5 where you're actually you are in the goat conversation. He's more like top 10 to me but he's still one of the GOATs
@@MobPsychoooooo so what? that’s your opinion but i have my own opinions.. and you cannot question that
Melo is speaking facts man, Kevin Durant is definitely one of the Goats and should be in the conversations. love to see a hof player giving such high praise to someone he has competed against
Yh man
KD is a gamechanger. 6' 11" with the hesi pull
KD is one of the goats for sure 💯
Goats roll in packs
How? What he do too be in that conversation
@@kavinpassmore5126What hasn't he done? You're of course gonna say like a kid " He has to win without Steph" 🤓
When he literally carried him to two chips and got both fmvps
KD TH-cam burner account?
@@GC_35carried him is crazy considering Steph won before and after him 🤣🤣
KD is a 🐐.
I agree
he is great, but not the greatest at all ...
Jordan is goat but he is equal with LeBron
Greatest of all Time is singular. You can’t have multiple. Jordan>Kobe> whoever else
@@Jim_Bagfax
KD is definitely one of the greatest players of all time we just discredit his greatness because of his legacy
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his greatness is ok, but there are players greater than him...
@@Mihailo26 your definition of greatness is probably based off legacy and accolades.. name 10 players all time that is BETTER then KD. Just purely based off skill and talent.
@@justinp2000 we don't need all-time players... we can say Devin Booker is the bus driver at this moment... KD was never a bus driver in any team... ever. Every all-time player was a bus driver. KD is just a little bit better than MPJ from Denver because of the MPJ back injury/operation
@@justinp2000U don’t need 10 better players.
Question is whether he is in the discussion for THE goat.
Is he better than MJ? Bron?
No.
Like melo said kd got every big man working on guard skills that’s a game changer 🤷🏿♂️
Doesn’t make u the GOAT.
@@telmoliciouslike it or not he's goat to many people. Have your opinion and allow others to do so
@@VintageFuture_ Sports debate is exactly about that. Debate.
Ppl Can State their opinion and ppl can disagree.
I think kd meant be in the goat conversation, he always talks with high regard for mj, lebron , kobe. He even gives both shaq and Barkley lots of recognition even though they try to beat him up at every chance they get
Yea. That totally qualifies him to be considered the best basketball player to ever play 😂
@heywella I never said that qualified him to be the best player ever. Please,pay attention, if you read what I said, happy to explain again. He was asked the question should he be in the goat conversation, he said he thinks he should be in the conversation, never said he thinks he is the goat
Absolutely he is! KD been one of the Goats a long time ago!
I feel like that 2021 playoffs really was the crossroads of his legacy, if KD foot was behind the 3 and he went to the finals and got that chip, he would be up a couple more spots in the all time greats discussion
Carmelo tells the truth great explanation
KD is knocking the door of the top 10 right now I have him in the 12-15 range
More like top 25
@@BoosterGoldEarth6stupid
The gap between KD and the GOAT convo is as big as Melo and his peers from his generation.
There’s a difference between being one of the greats to play the game and being the greatest to ever play.
That’s why there’s an idiom “ To each his own “ That’s what Melo think, if you have a problem then live with it
@@sarailustre8131 No one respects a fence sitter dude. Listing out the best to ever play by tiers or individual rankings is not hard and to “well they’re all great players” or “nobody’s right, it’s all opinion” is just a way to torpedo the convo.
Of course it’s all opinion based and hypothetical, what’s wrong with that? Give your order and reasoning and that’s it. Only way I could see someone be afraid to give their ranking is if they have shit reasoning
Lebron ain't close then either as KD is so much better then LeBron at majority of the game. Lebron better dunker and better passer. That's it. KD better ft,mid range, three point. Shooting. Better defender, better handles. Just hadn't had the better teams or luck with injuries
@@brodiecahill1115Lebron is better then KD in almost every single way except shooting and it shows
@@brodiecahill1115 if you have KD over Bron in the GOAT discussion, your opinion is trash.
The GOAT conversation in basketball is a battle between the game and the marketing of the game. KD is a scoring machine- period. But playing in OKC with the players around him and a system that was constantly abandoned was not optimizing his talent. That's not his fault. Even when he was in Golden State and was approached about Pat Bev "stopping him," he addressed it by saying he was working in the flow of the offense...then came out and got 50! Machine and one of the purest scorers ever! You have to give him some props considering he scores a bunch from outside...just like MJ and Kobe are two guards who are tops all-time in scoring among big men. That shows how special they are.
I'm glad Melo said it! If KD don't go to GS, Bron likely wins one or two more rings.
that cavs team 17 would win
Yes bron wins them rings because the cavs at full health was better than the warriors thats why the warriors went to get kd. yes he couldve said no but he was called to do a job he done it twice
Idk if KD meant the actual goat debate or just being recognized as one of the GOATS I’m leaning more towards the second one but even if he meant being the actual GOAT I see nothing wrong with it because it’s all opinion based and most don’t even put thought into it just go on the net see who has the most “agreeable” and bandwagon on that like they say k was
Exactly.
All opinion based if you're too low iq to use objective data. The numbers don't lie, kd ain't close
He wasn't even the best in his era or any decade so how can he be the GOAT when he played the same time as Lebron and Steph
@@bjrnthebootybandit it’s subjective at the end of the day that’s all I’m if u feel like he wasn’t the in the 2010 decade then cool I think lebron had a better run in the decade but say he was the better player I just can’t give him that to me it’s just bron and KD steph isn’t in the convo for me because he can’t play both sides of the ball and the SF was the impactful/important position for a team to win the ship
@@michaelpatterson8353 I feel KD defense is less impactful than Steph's off the ball movement as Steph = an entire offensive system and regularly featured as the key factor in the best offense in the league. Individual defense is a bit overrated especially when its only decent and one aspect of defense. KD isn't exactly a lock on defense
Carmelo kept it real 💯💯💯
To be in the conversation of THE GOAT is absolutely insane and I love KD’s game. If we’re being honest can we even confirm if hes top 10 all time? Even thats a discussion and most people would never split on that with more historians leaning towards no.
Top 20-25
@@melvinhhcp3615Nah KD higher than that Top 12-15 minimum
Great comment!!! I completely agree 👍🏾
I’m also a fan of KD, but I’m not just going to agree with him to agree with him.
Realistically he's top 15 if we're counting accomplishments and skills
Kd top 10 if we are talking about pure basketball head to head shit . Dis goat talk yall using team accomplishment and rings . Injury slowed KD down , im sure he will finish top 5 in points before he hangs it up .
Never thought about it like that by KD going to GSW he probably stopped Lebron from having 2 more rings !!!!
Yes and thats why people are mad🤣🤣😭
Crazy how people hate a man lol crazy hate for KD in comments lol
KDs fault for going to Golden State in 2017
@@onehand-yusuf7212 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ppl act like if KD team stayed healthy he wouldn’t have had another ring by now
As a Warrior fan, the Warriors needed KD as much as KD needed the Warriors! Bron and Kyrie were to dynamic! Steph and KD trumped that
I bet Melo believes he’s in that convo as well.
He is Top 10 scoring of all humans who have played in the NBA
@@abir1125now days people act like that’s not a amazing accolade
@@LJSoloyou’d think its easy to play decades and make it to top 10
@@abir1125 lol that will never be enough to be in the GOAT convo
he's not (lacks MVP's, defence, rings, passing), but as a pure scorer he's up there with anyone ever, and Kobe, KD, Pierce, guys who matched up with him will all agree
In terms of accolades he still has more basketball to play, in terms of skillset, he’s definitely in it. The problem with that is that when in the GOAT discussion they look at EVERYTHING, so he has a ways to go. But we not gone pretend like KD is not an animal that’s unguardable on that court, we know who he is
😂
Yes
We all know who he is
Very humble approach melo not surprised 🤧
KD 💯% should be in the 🐐🐐 convo. He was with a team for 10yrs before he finally got a Championship 🏆 LeBron got his after 7yrs. These players out there filling up the resumes, just like any person would "WE ALL WANT WHATS BEST FOR YOURSELF" KD💙💙
KD is definitely one of the goats. The man had 2 Achilles injuries and still came back balling.
Is he in the discussion with MJ and Bron? Nah.
well he is unarguably is the greatest scorer to touch a ball. he got that
Goat just means favorite player at this point
That’s not what it means to me. I grew up in Philadelphia I will never forget when my dad brought the newspaper home and Dr. J was on the front cover. I loved how he played the game and carried his self off the court, to this day Dr J is still my favorite player and Jordan is the GOAT. People think their favorite player has to be the GOAT which is not the cast they are two separate things.
@@davidstokes8851 I agree that it should be two different things. But if we’re putting people like KD and Steph into the conversation conversation now it’s just become favorite player. To me if you ask someone who is the goat and there is no consensus but the question you should be asking is who is the best player of the game of basketball you have ever seen? At this point people are just throwing names around a couple young guys said Paul George is the goat
KD is the only player who ever matched with Lebron and for years, no other player has ever done it, add MVP, 2 finals MVP, 4 scoring champ, superstar since 21, wit being maybe the best scorer ever, he should feel like he’s supposed to be in the debate
Much love to Melo because KD got haters fr on TH-cam and NBA players he walks past that hate it
Melo is DOPE. BUT BEING PURE SCORER DOESN'T MAKE U IN GOAT CONVERSATION. HE GOT THE SKILL THE GAME BUT dominating the league is multiple mvp, doing intangibles, and having leadership to take a team beyond their potential. MJ, BRON, MAGIC, KAREEM, KOBE... These people are all in the conversation. Not just about skill and pulling up from 30. If that's case KD would have 8 rings
Bird better than magic but not in convo?? Lol. Lebron not even top 5
1:34 Time Stamp - "He's a FIVE-LEVEL scorer." Level 1 - Layups Level 2 - Floaters Level 3 - Mid Range 4 - 3 Point Range 5 - Deep, deep 3 Point Range
Post up game...zero!
Giannis, Embid, Anthony Davis, and LeBron also don't post up! JOKIC AND ZION are the only stars that ever post up anymore. It's EXTINCT.@@ChurchofJOB
@@ChurchofJOBwhat???! Lmfao 😂 😂😂😂
I feel like he should be in that convo look at wemby and Chet those kd started that he changed the game in my eyes
He def is in that convo. It’s just the eye test in the way ppl view him. If he goes to okc and bring a chip it’ll b undeniable
Kd definitely in the Goat conversation hands down son is the best to ever do it he 7foot with pg handle
Pg handles. SG shooting, SF finishing. PF Mid range. C rebounding and shot blocking. He’s literally every position in 1.
KD is a basketball genius.He's your favorite player's favorite player. He can score anytime, anywhere, anyhow, even now. I don't care if he's a 'goat' or not, he belongs in the pantheon of basketball geniuses
He is not 7 feet
First he was six 9ine
Then he was 6 10
Now he’s 7 feet?
Shaq would have gave Bill Russell 45 20 and 5 blocks
Bet u he gives that ring back if it meant putting him in the conversation.
KD 🐐🌟 don't hate
KD is nice. He definitely would have 3 rings if wasn't for the injuries. Toronto got lucky with 3 bounces and injuries to Klay and KD to get there title
Thank you Melo finally there can be many Goats.
It's not KD's job/responsibility/obligation to make the league more "competitive." He had an opportunity in front of him to get the things he wants in life, and that's what EVERY MAN should do. When you pass on opportunities because of the wrong reasons (e.g., peer pressure, public opinion, etc.), then you're giving away the limited amount of power/control you have to direct your life where you want it to go. In other words, you lose in the game of life.
KD is a real goat 🐐. He’s one of the best player that Lebron always scared to match up with 💯
Thank you someone finally said it it’s he’s career not y’all’s if he wanna go to a different team that’s him at the end of the day it’s all about winning and he did that yall bash him for winning and yall definitely would’ve bashed him if they lost KD literally did the same as the lebron had a situation where it wasn’t going nowhere so he left and joined a better team and was still the best player on that team so if your gonna bash KD bash Bron too since it’s a bad thing to better your career
Context matters when debating whos the GOAT. If MJ said fuck it and joined the pistons or if larry bird joined the lakers the convo would be much different. It wasnt like KD was on a struggling team barely making the playoffs. Hes def one of the greatest scorers of all time but thats where the convo ends
Yeah imagine all the Jordan documentaries… “then he went to the team that beat him💯💪🔥”
Would be weak as fuck🤣🤣
I believe wat kd meant was he can hang der with anyone head to head if we talking about pure basketball skill set and not team accomplishment . He knows hes not the goat . Kd respects bron,kobe, mj and other dudes that came before him.Things get ugly when you start putting a 6'3 dude ahead of him in all time list becos of team achievement lol . KD was born to play basketball, he put alot of time into it dts its ego talking . Hes meant to feel that way about himself . Simple.
Kevin Durant always been that guy on the court I just hate when he retires everybody is gonna miss him on the court that’s a fact
2020, 2021, 2022 and 2023 missing out on a possible 8,000 points is why Durant is what he is. Injuries has not played in an allstar game since 2019.
The fanbase determines the GOAT point blank period
Levron vs KD have faced each other three times in the NBA Finals, with Durant leading 2-1. KD won two NBA Finals series as a member of the Golden State Warriors, while James won his lone series over Durant in the 2012 NBA Finals between the Miami Heat and OKC Thunder.Durant and James played 14 times in the NBA Finals, with KD winning nine times. The Warriors, with KD, are 8-1 against LeBron. As for their own performances in the regular season, Kevin Durant and LeBron James are almost equal in terms of scoring average. KD is the better scorer and shooter, but James is the better passer, rebounder and defender
You forgetting that KD had the only unanimous MVP Steph Curry and a 73-9 without him team to take on Bron 😂
@@bdukes8075the 73-9 team lost to lebron so that’s lowkey irrelevant
@@Ace_D_Toxic in game 7 by 3 points and you add an all time great former MVP to replace the guy who was missing the open jumpers in Harrison Barnes so definitely not irrelevant
@@bdukes8075 weren’t they down 3-1 too 🤔
@@Ace_D_Toxic you making my point 😂
KD changed the game. He's one of the gratest at the LBJ Era but not THE goat...
The greatest Scorer and the best package as a basketball player and even before i heard about LBJ, i heard about KD.
His name is close as famous as the fame of LBJ.
Ain’t no such thing as an LBJ era 😂
@@shivumagarwal Said by the miserable bum 😂
KD is the goat no matter what anyone say
I give it too melo he 💯 and he know the game
It can never be one goat 🐐
Y'all goofy mfs done lost yall mind if U think KD ain't in that conversation. Period.
He's not
As the greatest of all time? No he's not, goofy.
@@wmasterss GTFOH wit all these couch potato fake-ass internet narratives....the bottom line is there are not 5 men in the history of THE NBA that can stand in front of Kevin Durant with a basketball mano-a-mano and not get they ass SMOKED💨💨...IDGAF about all that "he went to Golden State" blah blah blah shit or Brooklyn or any other team scenario. The man is the purest 3 level scorer the league has ever seen and a pure hooper in every sense of the word. Not one person in these comments can step on the court and do HALF the shit he does with ease....AND he is an above-average defender with a nice ass handle at 6'11....mfs don't know basketball and obviously never played 21 at the park growing up, I'm Chicago born-and-bred so I was raised watching the GOAT OF ALL GOATS aka Michael Jeffrey Jordan so I know a baller when I see one. Fuck that team shit, can't nary a nigga in the league stop him. PERIOD.
Not even top 5
KD aint even passed tim duncan yet
I wish yall would understand what GOAT MEANS!!! Its not a plural declaration there can only be 1 BASED ON WHAT IT STANDS FOR THEEEE GREATEST OF ALL TIME ! Kd is a legend of the game gonna be a hall of famer das all one of the greats in nba history but that goat title is for THE GUY
Well Greatest can be plural as well. I also dont think KD is better than MJ, Bron or Kobe. But might be top 10-12
“That’s coming from melo B” 🤣🤣
This guy is 7ft with the craziest bag as a scorer in NBA history
I don't understand why some people feel great putting other people down somehow
But to a lot of people there's no denying just the raw talent and his impact to winning
He's mentality
He's love for the game
He's impact to a lot of great NBA players (he's the favorite player to your favorite player)
He should definitely be in that (G. O. A. T) conversation
Even though to me MJ is the baddest mf that ever played Kobe is close but apart from those two I would pick KD on my team first probably 9 times out of 10 every single time
One of the greatest scores fosho
But too many players have a way better Legacy than KD
@@onehand-yusuf7212 what do you mean legacy
Are we talking about accolades
Are we talking about impact
Are we talking about mastering the game or components of the game of basketball
Because I'm pretty sure he's got a very impressive resume and he's still playing
@@samiyoliLegacy = Career . More than 8 players have a better Career /Legacy than KD not to mention guy like Jokic Embid Giannas who can still add to their legacies
@@onehand-yusuf7212 well this is your opinion
But if I'm widely regarded as the best scorer in NBA history
Very few people can say that
A lot of people aspire to be the best at their job and if someone is considered to be the best at something or an aspect of that thing
Then I know he's definitely special and very few players can say that
So maybe 8 players in your opinion have a better career but very few of those are the best at doing certain things on the basketball court that impact winning
Nonetheless he might not be your goat but deserves to be in the conversation
KD IN MY TOP 10. NEVER SEEN A PLAYER LIKE HIM. ONE OF THE GREATEST PLAYERS EVER.
i've never seen anyone talk what melo just said about if kd didn't go to the bay lebron would have dominate the nba maybe untill kawhi idk. this is just a fact, maybe people talk shit to kd because of lebron and what would it hapenned if warriors didn't have that team.
Very underrated point bro...they knew he was in prime form and ready to run off a three peat.... Still the GOAT anyway!
@@ChurchofJOBnope Bron got lucky in 16. He was fucked either way next season
@@shivumagarwallolita what scenario is LeBron fucked, if KD doesn’t join the Warriors? They just beat them the year prior.
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@@johnnyblingg the nba spoon fed that ring to Bron. They weren’t gonna let Curry take over the league with Bron being the face of Nike
Dubs had a mountain of cap space in the 16 offseason, they would have improved and come back with vengeance. Cleveland was doomed regardless
@@shivumagarwal how the hell do you get lucky coming back from a 3-1 deficit? hate make yall sound so stupid at times lol
Goat talk is Jordan, Kobe and LeBron. Everybody else is a different conversation
If people gonna talk down on KD for joining the Warriors they need to talk down on Curry, Klay and Draymond for recruiting him to the Warriors too because they reached out to him not the other way around
Kd a goat scorer fs homie can score from anywhere on the floor at high level.
The truth is KD is closer to Carmelo’s level than Jordan’s level
The truth is jordan is closer to Dominique’s level than he is Wilts.
@@brendanbloom3366Wilt can score a 100 but he couldnt win when it mattered most .
@@onehand-yusuf7212 basketball is a team sport and his team won twice
but is that caring about the purity of basketball if it’s not caring about he competitive aspect at the same time ? For a few of us that care about that in every aspect of any game in any sport we can’t respect that particular move. He’s definitely a 2x champion and finals mvp that’s no debating , blatant assassin , and probably top 3 scorers of all time , but you can’t get mad at us for slighting it .
how do you slight 3 gold medals tho and the all time usa basketball scoring leader ? that has nothing to do with the warriors and is relevant b/c it is a part of his career
If we take out decisions on teams to play for and just think about pure basketball kd is 100% going to or will be in goat conversation we will all miss durant when he retires
Kd is top 10 all time. Lets stop the madness. Greatest scorer… Kd treats the NBA like the rucker park with his size and skill. That warrior move helped and hurt at the same time is all. He hasn’t won since but with the right squad he look like the goat
KD is my goat….Melo and Penny round out my top 3. They are the smoothest, purest players I’ve ever seen.
Carmelo Anthony is on the goat list as well
He is the best bucket getter because of his height and shooting abilities. The only reason why he wasn't considered by many is that he joined the best team in the league to get 2 rings. He can score at will he's just not an elite defender. MJ is the best two way player. Hands down.
Right but he is a goat for sure n he took them back to back. Smart business move on kd. He is an elite defender fyi. Not as much now but overall definitely
Bill Russell is the goat of rings but MJ is the GOAT of basketball 🏀
We will forever debate it since what he did has impact on two other greats. So many scenarios and the fans are divided and the media knows it and will keep throwing it out there since it’s something we can always say what if. At the end of the day we all know the impact all three have on the game. We should debate on who had a better 3 like Bron KD Curry at any era at the same time. Put that up there but that doesn’t sale or generate revenue cause we are more focused on what we have witnessed. Curry and those 3 points and range is a whole new world of its own. Lebron for 21 years from the hype at such age has the biggest success history. KD just a whole different built scoring machine that nobody has ever seen before. Whatever base you support at the end still appreciate for them to be witnessed on the greatest stage in the biggest screens.
Top 10 list :
Jordan
Bron
Kareem
Magic
Kobe
Wilt
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem
Russell
Curry
KD
Thoughts?
it's 13 people there is this in order ?
Bron below duncan
@@AP530How If not for Kawhii Duncan would've had 4 rings
@@onehand-yusuf7212 lol. If not for kyrie bron would have?? If not for Ray Allen bron would have??? Maybe 2??
2017 Lebron a JR Smith free throw and offensive foul away from a 50 piece against that Warriors team.
Whether u like his career or not, his game is for sure goat
He up there with Dirk and Clyde Drexler…
He’s better than both of them
@@thesandman1384at not being a champ
@@thesandman1384yes, but KD is in that tier is the point.
@@johnnyblinggkd aint in that tier mate . Kd is in bird tier not fckin drexler tier . Bron ,kd dis dudes ve bn playing like forever and still good , most especially KD with all the injuries . Dude can still ball avg 30
Yeah I'd put him right with Dirk
KD needed to stay the 2nd best at that time. It didn’t matter what he did or didn’t do there was always going to be an excuse for why he’s number 2. Number 1 was more marketable. The same people that criticized his move to dubs excused their number 1 for practically doing the same thing ( but justify why KD’s was worse so they could keep him at 2). These people say he never lead a team on his own but never point out that the best chance he had to do that was when their number 1 beat him with a Superteam . Ironically that same person who took that chance away with a superteam is considered better . Hopefully KD can be at peace with knowing that the real ones know. Also hear them and their number 1 talk about his poor teams but completely ignore that Russ was immature at time and arguably ran KD away( my personal opinion is teaming up with the guard that beat them was his way of getting back at Russ)
Aside from stats, skills, and accolades, being a GOAT should translate to winning in the NBA as the best player in a team. KD won 2 chips as the best player with the GSW. So he should be in the conversation. Those who argue that he only won because he joined a stacked GSW roster who was the champs before and had the best regular season record ever, probably has never been the best player in a team and won a chip.
I bet the Warriors wish they had KD now
Does Dymond wish that?
Kobe even said it. KD was the hardest he had to defend 💯
That's not the point it's about a singular GOAT And that's MJ
Well said, end of discussion.
Trade mark that Melo!! Love the brothers perspective on the topic.
Just play ball KD 🔥🔥🔥
Will kd win a championship a regular season mvp a scoring title or anything after gs?
Kd really Him and people know!! Just don’t wanna give him credit smh sick
Everybody talking about kd going from team to team he gotta do what best for him no me or nobody else Micheal Jordan ain’t win 6rings by himself he had a team that didn’t get credit plus kd always dominated he just had players around him who always come up short in clutch
This was a terrible take 😂 we might as well throw Clyde, Dame, Giannis, Jokic in the goat conversion since everyone is in it now lol
KD is clearly better than clyde and dame but giannis and jokic are well on their way to matching or surpassing KD all-time.
KD is 15x better then every player u put on there 😂
@@maximus3294hell no wtf lmao
Jokic will be in the GOAT debate when he retires
@@onehand-yusuf7212 nah
i dont like when old heads say people should be in the conversation they know will never be considered a goat. like its mj and lebron. anyone else isnt in the conversation and will never be above those 2. so lets not waste time talkng about them. and no one with 2 chips and 1 mvp will ever be above mj or bron and even if lebron and mj only had 2 chips, kd had them on the greatest team ever and vs in 2018 one of the worst teams to ever make the finals. the fact bron was in the finals in 2018 is better than kd even winning it.
To be honest it's only one MJ
And then the rest you can make a case for them
I guess that's where the conversation part comes in
Stop trying to be slick and add lebron in there. Just knock it off you are clearly not old enough to see MJ in his prime if you think Lebron is even coming close to MJ
MJ is d goat case closed . Hes just something else on the court. Yall bron fans will jst come on here to chat shit .
MJ had to take a break from the game lol @@adeadele-nz6xt
@@H0VA MJ beat a injured lakers team, a bum suns team compared to all the teams lebron played and the jazz and super sonics were good all time teams but nothing compared to those bulls teams or the all time spurs or warriors. MJ didnt win a single playoff series without pippen while lebron took 2 bum cavs teams to the finals. if MJ had lebrons career path he maybe would be 5 for 8 at best in the finals because i cant defend the 2011 series and MJ prob wouldve won that but he wouldnt have made it to the finals in 2007 or 2018 and making the finals those years are worth more than the suns and lakers chip MJ has to me. MJ had one of the best coaches of all time, one of the best shooters of all time and a top 3 defensive player of all time with the best robin to a batman of all time. scottie pippen was in the mvp race when MJ left and the bulls were 1 win away from the finals, when lebron left the cavs and heat, both teams went to the worst teams in the league. yes they lost more than just lebron but everyone knows both teams wouldnt even make the playoffs or be a 1st round exit without bron. lebron is the better passer, rebounder, shoots a higher FG%, has done more with less and has played against the most competition out of any player in nba history. the league now is better in everyway from defensive schemes to offensive threats. thats not MJs fault but its how time works, things get better overtime as more things are learned and more resources are had. Lebron did more in a harder era vs harder competition for a longer period of time. MJ is a better pure scorer and has a better winning finals record and thats all. if you take into account context and look at everything as a totality and not inside boxes, it is very obvious lebron is the greatest player of all time when it comes to basketball and plays the game how it was meant to be played and better. switch their careers and lebron goes 6 for 6 easily as well and doesnt retire and goes onto win 8-9 straight. put MJ on lebrons teams and he realistically wins in 2011 but loses to the spurs both times and maybe even OKC and loses to the 73 win warriors so ill say he goes 3 for 8 in the finals not even making it in 2018 and 2007.
Facts melo
Carmelo likes KD that’s why he saying that lol
Melo only sayin that so it would put him in the conversation
Melo knows ball. You love to see it. KD is absolutely in the GOAT conversation only casuals think he isn't
KD is a goat and that's a pure fact.
Melo…KD absolutely cares what fans say. He replies to strangers all day long. Melo you a true friend but stop bruh clearly your bias as hell.