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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ต.ค. 2023
- In this episode we take a look at the battle for Niira during the Colony War in starfield. We break down the known history of the battle, the forces available to both the Freestar Collective and the United Colonies, and then simulate what the battle might have looked like. Finally, we discuss the potential flaws in the storyline of this battle and its presentation in game.
Hope you enjoy!
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I love seeing you go at the lore of Starfield the same way you do Fallout, very excited to see what you have next for this new universe!
Awesome sauce! I'm glad to hear it. Thanks as always for the support!
I really enjoyed this video. My favorite parts of your videos are the stories you tell around the things you find in the game, it's great fun!
I'm glad you enjoyed! That is great feedback, I find those sections to be the most fun for me as well. I want to lean into that more going forward I think and do more episodes like the one I did on the USS Democracy.
judging from the size of the Czech hedgehogs, I'd say they were more to stop UC ship from landing and deploying more troops/vehicles/xenos
hmmm I see the logic in that, but would the UC really need to land the ship though? I'd like to think there would be some sort of air drop mechanism in place, I mean even a rope lol =)
@@spydingo I think fast-roping is kind of sub-optimal when you're actively taking fire, and the hovering ship would be a sitting duck for fixed gun emplacements.
@@spydingo Good point, can see the UC deploying their troops ODST style actually
One argument on the use of sirens. A dog can be taken down by a pistol. They are still used to take down soldiers. The different movement and speed makes them a different foe than another human with a rifle. So the sirens could easily have been used to tear through defense points of soldiers. Even if their use against mechs was limited.
I mean, that is certainly true. The sirens would have been effective against humans, at least somewhat. What I as trying to get at though, is that I really don't see the Siren as some sort of superweapon that could effect the battle on anywhere near the level of what mechs could, and that the resources spent on the Siren project didn't really make a lot of sense. At least in the context of the battle of Niira.
@@spydingoMaybe the Sirens were more of a harassment weapon intendet to slowly grind down enemy soldiers before the actual assault. The same way guerilla warfare is used today.
So based on the lore I found in the game, I think there are a few things to note:
1. While the battlefield around one of a kind is the only one I think we can visit in game, the battle of Niira was initially a successful blitzkreig take and hold by the UC, and the rest of the battles of Niira were recapture attempts by the FC that took place across the entire planets surface.
2. The last part of number one is significant, because what that tells me is while the UC would have had ships stationed at Niira, it was one of many systems and fronts involved, so there wouldn’t be a massive blockade. Meaning the FC likely snuck past on some occasions to assault and try to retake Niira and had some degree of success, and others they may have tried to engage their UC naval presence there and were unsuccessful and fled.
3. For the massive hedgehogs, I can see your point however they could have been used with additional defenses like a wire barriers which if strong along the front could cause issues for mechs but I understand that for this I’m stretching a bit because I don’t remember seeing evidence for this in game.
Basically I think the “Battle of Niira” was actually a large initial taking of the planet, then a constant string of smaller, consistent engagements with a back and forth over the planet while the war was being waged across the rest of the settled systems. This explains why the FC wouldn’t have to break through a full blockade before landing troops throughout the course of the battle(s).
yeah bethesda doesnt do military tactics well and i agree with yah on the massive disbelief that all that juicy sweet "forbidden" tech is just locked behind closed doors. cause if one of the factions core identities is mech warfare then why would they be super eager to just toss it to the side or at the very least find loop holes for them. it feels like they were on track for a battletech style universe but stoped 1/3 the way through and the last 2/3 not ds9 star trek but rather tng star trek piccard simulator.
i always did find it weird that despite choosing the freestar trait and patents perk that your folks are at the uc capital and not somewhere in akila city if it can be called one.
Right? It just doesn't make any sense.
Lol I didn't know that. That does make very little sense unless they are your adoptive parents since your biological parents died during the colony war or something like that.
@spydingo agreed it doesn't. from the rewards, they give you that it comes off as biological parents cus one of the items they give you is your grandmother old UC marine armor. but the parents' perk isn't that bad, won't lie.
I would suspect that the FOB was wanted to cut down on ship fuel expenditure and to allow for a different axis of attack.
I wonder if what you call solar panels are instead either heat radiators or, more likely, shield emitters. Mind you, I don’t have the game yet so I don’t have the ability to examine them up close so I could be wrong
As for why the UC didn’t blast the FC from orbit, I would suspect those artillery guns can double as planetary defense guns, able to strike ships in orbit. Now, theoretically the UC could’ve opened fire from outside the range of these guns but that would risk causing significant damage to the planet itself due to the projectile velocities involved as well as travel time for the projectiles. In one of my favorite sci-fi franchises, the Black Fleet saga by Joshua Dalzelle, a warship fired several rail gun projectiles at a planetside training center from the edge of the system. Took several days to a week for the projectiles to strike the target but when they did, they struck with such force that the coastline was completely rearranged, a continental plate was damaged, and enough dust and debris was thrown into the atmosphere that the entire planet was written off as being habitable/a viable colony.Lasers and particle cannons might not have had the range. Missiles can be shot down, jammed, hacked, etc. so that’s probably why orbital bombardment was out of the question
Then there’s the comment about the size of the battlefield that remains. I’ll do you one better. IRL, the current population of Earth is just over 8 billion. So, a couple hundred years down the road, we can expect it to be, what? In the teens? You expect me to a) believe that they were all evacuated in less than 50 years? And b) if that was the case, where the heck did they all go? We see how many big cities in the game? And of those we do see, they’re how big? We just have to suspend our disbelief as there’s only so much the game, and modern computers, can handle
War never makes sense especially when ran by humans. I remember in Skyrim General Tullius constantly getting annoyed at Nords and their customs because to him sending a decent sized force to maybe if its still there, get a crown, in a crypt, in the middle of nowhere, for the queen doesn't make a whole lot of sense, why attack a group a people holding a rock of no significant value because they have it and we don't and once we do have it we can tell everyone that we took the worthless rock from them, war doesn't make sense, it hasn't in the beginning of times with sticks and stones and wont in the end with teleportation or whatever sci-fi whatnot either. War never changes XD
ps for my rant
ask any veteran if they can tell you if an officer had ever given them a moronic order and they'll laugh at you for only asking for one
loving the channel btw
Great breakdown of Niira. I agree with your rant, Bethesda's writers obviously don't know anyone with any understanding of strategic or tactical warfare, they just wrote guff for their background. It's like most of the writing in Starfield, poor, unlike their earlier games. The brains trust must have departed before Starfield.
i wonder of the Niira headgehogs were also Anti-Starship defenses. on 'where did the UC navy go' i'd suspect that enough of the navy were pulled off by feints and strikes at other locations, a strike at gagarin would draw UC ships off.
That could be, though I'm not really sure why you would want to land in an active war zone. Hmm, but then the UC didn't come back to resume the blockade? And what about the FC navy, did they just leave afterwards? I guess what I'm getting at is so long as either faction controlled orbit, the other should be looking at an inevitable defeat.
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I would say the siren animal would probably be used for getting rid of infantry. Get rid of infantry then you can break the line and armor. Like in real life. Get rife of infantry you can easily take out a tank
The war memorial in New Atlantis says 30,000 UC fought and died. To me that's seems way to low a number for a modern war. AI tech is banned maybe there were AI operated mechs.
Pretty sure big gun it's meant to stop ships from landing and dropping of mechs or from bombing though looking at this seams befeasda don't understand war enough to move from ww2
The UC did not use mechs
That's straight up incorrect. Both sides used 'mechs, but Freestar was far more effective. I forget who says so, exactly, since the game blends together into a kind of concept soup after a time, but at one point when talking about the Colony War it's said that Freestar was more effective at using 'mechs. There's also a UC lady on Gagarin that was a 'mech pilot. She is definitely not Freestar.
Well you got to get comfortable with your suspenssion of disbelief and not think to much about it, afterall we really don't get much explanation about the war. I mean, as creative guy, I could counter everything you say by imagining myself why it could be, but, clearly Bethesda didn't think it was something worth wasting time on it (for now maybe they'll retcon something in an add-on).
For example, the size of the battlefield is like everything in bethesda game, scaled down relative to their true size, a shame, I'm fine with it in Elder scroll, but for star field and the procedural generation I think they could have done this sense of scale.
The 1 of a kind is cleaning, so the landscape may have nothing to do with the state is actually was before.
The global tech is beyond us, Maybe their understanding is so advanced we just don't grasp how it works at all, maybe the mech move with high agility for their size, we don't know what strategy they would have developed to fight from space around a planet (I mean we never did in real life sooo) etc....
Even for the Siren, They scale up with your level for gameplay reason, (I met them in my ng+1 in Hard mode, they were prettry tough) and they have been hunted by robot like Kaiser, maybe they are weaker than before (they have to reproduce somehow their gene degrade?) if they were all the size and strength of the Xenoweapon kaiser try to take down when you help him, they would have been a nightmare.
Not star field, it's just wannabe space fallout.... meh.
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Spent time viewing each of the videos in your channel. Not a single top tier video. They all 3 minute videos which are uninspired.