Living in a House of Sticks and Skin - The Amazing Turkana Goatskin House

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  • @Royak
    @Royak หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    @nomadic architecture where are the men? I have noticed its always the ladies making these houses?

    • @NomadArchitecture
      @NomadArchitecture  หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      It varies hugely between cultures, but not so long ago many tribes were at war with each other and it became the custom for the men to be warriors and the women took all responsibility for all things domestic. If I look at the more peaceful hunter gatherer societies (San, Hadzabe etc) there seems to be a much more equal share of roles.

    • @Royak
      @Royak หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@NomadArchitecture thanks so much for responding. Looking forward to more of your uploads.

    • @larryslemp9698
      @larryslemp9698 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The men are at the hotel.....resting up!!

    • @roymanyara1430
      @roymanyara1430 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The turkukana are nomads. Nomadic lifestyle means going to look for pasture and water. They usually travase 2000km moving across country borders for this singular purpose. Any mature male follows the trade and somw women are left behind to take care of the property and children.

  • @quaintshelter100
    @quaintshelter100 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    STUNNING RESILIENCE AND STRENGTH OF THESE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @eckosters
    @eckosters หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    This is simply unimaginable. These beautiful incredibly strong women who build this shelter in this desolate desert. I’m overwhelmed

    • @ariyantogarang4503
      @ariyantogarang4503 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ikan hidup di air..dan kuda ada di darat...!!! Mungkinkah itu suatu ketetapan . ...??? 😁 Dan anda tidak di takdirkan hidup di sana ..!!! Semoga hari anda selalu menjadi hari yg baik....🙏

  • @IvoTichelaar
    @IvoTichelaar หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I am impressed by the sensible engineering, in each video. It's a dome, there is (some) triangulation, there's a fire for cooking, there is something separating the inside from the dirt floor. This has been refined over generations. I immediately believe this is as much house as they need and as efficiently put together as possible.

  • @TobiasKaye
    @TobiasKaye 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The sense of continuous unforgiving wind is so strong in the intro. Really atmospheric.

  • @Lunchladydoyle
    @Lunchladydoyle หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Thank you. They do a great job with what they have to work with

  • @marge117
    @marge117 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I love their style- jewelry and hair so fabulous

  • @RedCloud-bg8vd
    @RedCloud-bg8vd หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Convicted and humbled, am I. TY for the blessing of this video!

  • @smokyRoses
    @smokyRoses หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    i would love to know more about social roles and family structure in this culture! do only older women build the house? are only daughters expected to help? how about boys and men? do the men hunt? is this one family unit, or several families who camp together?
    i also liked seeing the goatskin baby carrier backpack. babywearing is so essential.

    • @Flower-ck2bs
      @Flower-ck2bs หลายเดือนก่อน

      Women and men complete each other doing different things. Without that harmoni They can not survive.

  • @Goober_gobbler
    @Goober_gobbler หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I absolutely love your videos, so happy when i saw this on my feed!

  • @charlynkinter1436
    @charlynkinter1436 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    They look healthy and strong. Still living life they know how to!

  • @BettyReyes-uv3oe
    @BettyReyes-uv3oe หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I can’t believe this type of life! These beautiful women find ways to protect their families! I’m humbled!

  • @AaronHendu
    @AaronHendu หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Is is neat how the skins are able to let a nice warm ambient light inside the structure.

  • @atpsynthase7990
    @atpsynthase7990 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That seems very cozy, especially compared to the moonscape outside.

  • @DJCole34
    @DJCole34 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thank you for this.

  • @80lives
    @80lives หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Turkana are fascinating. I've spent two weeks cycling across their country and camping every night nearby their camps built of these very same half-dome houses. As an architect myself, It's truly breathtaking, it's like being in another planet. So harsh, so unbelievably difficult that it's impossible to put into words to get a sense of it. The more we move forward in the west, the more dissociated we become from them. It was a before an after in my life and an experience I often come back to today after 9 years. Good job filming the process.

  • @bertholdvonmoosburg2066
    @bertholdvonmoosburg2066 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your documentation of the fibrecraft materials and techniques are as invaluable as the architecture documentation! Thank you for including it so often!

    • @NomadArchitecture
      @NomadArchitecture  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thank you. Still plenty of architecture to come, but yes, we are trying now to catch other things while we are in the area.

  • @AaronHendu
    @AaronHendu หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The skeleton of structure reminds me of building forts with scrap end cut lumber I got for free to save it from the dump...we were young and had no saw...just a bucket of rusty nails we pulled and a hammer. We crisscrossed the wood in a random latice pattern and though it looked rugged, we had two kids and three 200lb men jumping up and down off our 10 to 40 foot high platforms and they didnt even so much as creak. They are probably still mostly standing 25 years later.

  • @22ERICSHELLY
    @22ERICSHELLY 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for sharing a beautiful story. My husband and myself have traveled to about 32 countries outside of the US doing mission work. We are so spoiled in US with modern things. Where do they get their food from? It doesn't look like anything grows there. No garden?
    So happy I found your channel. May Jesus continue to bless you and your family

  • @Ernthir
    @Ernthir หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I would die in about 15 minutes

    • @Brenzzy
      @Brenzzy หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      lol. What a great comment. Brought a sympathetic smile to my face 🙏🥹

    • @Flower-ck2bs
      @Flower-ck2bs หลายเดือนก่อน

      No. You would not.

    • @maxbygrapes3681
      @maxbygrapes3681 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      10

    • @yosephhaile9399
      @yosephhaile9399 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂😂

    • @user-wn2rx5hp4f
      @user-wn2rx5hp4f 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😢

  • @digitalplayland
    @digitalplayland หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Amazing. So much stone around...

    • @IvoTichelaar
      @IvoTichelaar หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Interesting thought. I suspect they are nomadic or semi-nomadic, branches and skins can be transported, whereas a stone structure will have to be abandoned.

    • @chronicfatiguehermithiker3022
      @chronicfatiguehermithiker3022 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Plus they would probably need grass and water for mortar to hold the stones together; they have neither.

    • @IvoTichelaar
      @IvoTichelaar หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@chronicfatiguehermithiker3022 true.

  • @hair2050
    @hair2050 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Very short on information which doesn’t motivate me to contribute. Moving on: amazing people, extremely harsh environment. I am very grateful to be able to see this from the comfort of my bed in a comfortable apartment in a rich area of a city. Equally grateful to the thousands of generations before me who endlessly innovated which has culminated in my comfort. Don’t miss understand, I have always worked physically hard and often in 40C or thereabouts in the blazing sun for weeks on end. In ice too. I’m missing parts of fingers, have too many nagging injuries to count, and love to push myself to the limit, hiking for example. But I have modernity behind me. To fall back on. I appreciate that.

    • @jimmcd5660
      @jimmcd5660 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great comment, agree on all points.

    • @NomadArchitecture
      @NomadArchitecture  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It is always a question how much information to put. Sometimes I write reams in the description, which no one ever reads, and I have tried narrations which always seems to completely kill off the video, so now I publish details in academic journals and encyclopaedias which link to the videos. So sign up the the new edition of the Encyclopaedia of Vernacular Architecture of the World as I have 40 entries in this!

  • @veliaquattrochi9589
    @veliaquattrochi9589 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Me encanta este canal!!! Gracias por mostrarnos como viven en otros lugares con tan poco!!!!

  • @JayCWhiteCloud
    @JayCWhiteCloud หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for this...Well done!!!

  • @williamexon171
    @williamexon171 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am constantly impressed by your work and the incredible skills and traditions you are recotding.

  • @julieremington7103
    @julieremington7103 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wonderful! Thank you!

  • @hoboheadlines46
    @hoboheadlines46 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beautiful, I'd love to learn and live with people like this. ❤

    • @Flower-ck2bs
      @Flower-ck2bs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Me too. Not only to try but to live like them forever…

  • @NicolasDudic-ph4kd
    @NicolasDudic-ph4kd หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a beautiful family ❤❤❤❤❤ God bless you Thank you very Nice vidéo 👍

  • @tabearebecca4037
    @tabearebecca4037 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    amazing to see this, thank you

  • @bf9494
    @bf9494 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looking forward to more!

  • @SadhviJenn
    @SadhviJenn หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Question. How long will they stay in this area? How long will this home be here before they gotta leave and make a new one? :)

    • @NomadArchitecture
      @NomadArchitecture  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They move every few weeks as there is very little grazing for the goats. They usually take the skins and cloth with them and abandon the frame of the house.

  • @SadhviJenn
    @SadhviJenn หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Women. Natural engineers :)

  • @user-rd1nj4ci6j
    @user-rd1nj4ci6j 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for opening my eyes to the world outside my front door. Thank you.

  • @Glen-uy4jt
    @Glen-uy4jt 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That is the most impressive video I have watched in some time.

  • @AhJodie
    @AhJodie หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you! I love this!

  • @n8opot8o1981
    @n8opot8o1981 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Im really curious as to what these people eat, beyond goat meat and goats milk products (I assume they make some kind of cheese, yogurt or kefir out of the milk to preserve it in what looks like a pretty hot environment). But then that begs the question: what do the goats eat? I dont see any vegetation or water sources nearby outside of those sad, thorny trees. Im impressed by the ingenuity and resourcefulness of these women, but it does look like a pretty harsh, dismal existence out there. Im no stranger to discomfort, Ive experienced homelessness and done bike tours in rural latin america, sleeping in ditches and in riverbanks and fields, but living in a dome tent made out of untreated goat skins in the desert would probably break me. Thanks for documenting all these amazing building practices!

  • @serranaferrer3343
    @serranaferrer3343 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fantástico!!

  • @niedjacampos9751
    @niedjacampos9751 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amo assistir seus vídeos. Muitas culturas diferentes. Parabéns

  • @NicolasDudic-ph4kd
    @NicolasDudic-ph4kd 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you very Nice vidéo.

  • @user-tz5pv6ih7m
    @user-tz5pv6ih7m หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Africa is a very large place, why don't they move to someplace where it is less rocky and has some plants and water? What do the goats eat? Thank you for this video, at any time I want to complain about my apartment I'll just think of women like these.

    • @roymanyara1430
      @roymanyara1430 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Resource conflict, Turukana people are surrounded by other tribes who are hostile for they are also nomads, to the south they boarder the samburu to the east karamoja from uganda and to the south east they boarder the pokot. All this tribes are territorial because they need resources for there cattle. The turukana can't change to be farmer's who occupy southern kenya. Thus they remain in their barren land but usually men move around with cattle nomadic lifestyle.

  • @zam9k8
    @zam9k8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This channel is a real time machine. Taking us hundreds of thousands, and even millions of years ago.

    • @NomadArchitecture
      @NomadArchitecture  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Or in this case to February 2022! :)

  • @veronicabalfourpaul2288
    @veronicabalfourpaul2288 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you

  • @chronicfatiguehermithiker3022
    @chronicfatiguehermithiker3022 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I can’t believe they survive out there🙁😢.

  • @SMJ740
    @SMJ740 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great Reviews Brother 👍👍👍

  • @marykok7616
    @marykok7616 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks cozy

  • @BODHISATTVA108
    @BODHISATTVA108 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Интересно что за племя? Травы нет, камни все округлые, словно дно моря или пойма реки...

    • @saintsinister8859
      @saintsinister8859 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Племя Туркана. В названии видео указано

  • @MrGaza74
    @MrGaza74 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Tough physical existence. But I wonder how much depression and anxiety there is in their population.
    What was the smoking the milk thing in the clay container? Fascinating.

    • @NomadArchitecture
      @NomadArchitecture  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not an anthropologist so not equipped to ask these questions, but I can tell you the container is a gourd and they smoke it to sterilise it and flavour the milk.

    • @MrGaza74
      @MrGaza74 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@NomadArchitectureok. Interesting. I was wondering if it was a sterilisation technique. Cool. Thank you.

  • @mck5549
    @mck5549 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They know how to make life happen! Building a home is a big deal. It may seem as though their life is harsh, but I am sure they have much less stress than city dwellers

  • @Joujou421
    @Joujou421 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very resourceful people

  • @user-mu2un3gc5j
    @user-mu2un3gc5j หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Яка гарна пісня, цікаво, про що вона співала?

  • @Cycle-Tourer
    @Cycle-Tourer หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This video mostly makes me very sad...

    • @AlanaMimiday
      @AlanaMimiday 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sedih?..😂😂😂 standar kebahagian kita tidak sama dgn mereka... Kehidupan mereka tidak rumit dan banyak tuntutan...bukankah itu sangat membahagiakan?😂😂😂

  • @AfricaStoriesAS
    @AfricaStoriesAS หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where was this location specifically in Turkana???

  • @michaelmakundi341
    @michaelmakundi341 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They live with hope.....May God be the provider of their needs

  • @anitasustinurhidayah9001
    @anitasustinurhidayah9001 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Para wanita hebat dan tangguh,semoga Allah memberi perlindungan kesehatan dan rejeki berlimpah,Aamiin.

  • @nserekoandrew6648
    @nserekoandrew6648 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gifted by nature

  • @marylawrence8470
    @marylawrence8470 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Such a barren place

  • @barbarakane9887
    @barbarakane9887 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    these women are awesome....

  • @Pengalen
    @Pengalen หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's so interesting all the different building techniques used by the various groups on this channel. I know a lot of them are very specific to different environments, but I wonder, if they were all shown each others techniques, whether and how much it would modify their own building techniques.
    Also for this one, I am once again wondering where the men are.

  • @sawomirroman2453
    @sawomirroman2453 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    wow

  • @echohunter4199
    @echohunter4199 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I find it interesting that the Modoc Indians in Northern California and southern Oregon where I grew up used near identical structures. And oddly enough, much of the area the Modocs lived in was on a high desert and had a lot of volcanic activity and ground level lava flows so I recognize the lava stones for the cooking fire. The Modocs lived on the edge of marshes and forests so food sources were plentiful which is a big difference but like most native tribes back then, their populations were kept low due to many reasons, the big one being aggressive neighbor tribes like the Klamath.

    • @NomadArchitecture
      @NomadArchitecture  หลายเดือนก่อน

      One thing that is really interesting about the first architectures of North America is that they have both the conical forms of northern europe/asia and the domed forms of africa. The conics I am fairly sure were brought across with early settlers. I think we will never know whether they developed these domed forms independently or knew of them when they arrived. What you do have that is totally unique is the hogan. I would really love to record one of these being built one day.

  • @TheZitherish
    @TheZitherish หลายเดือนก่อน

    Those blades must be very precious, yet they must wear out quickly.

  • @monicapeterson1091
    @monicapeterson1091 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If I had enough hides I’d do this myself.

    • @Kenan-Z
      @Kenan-Z หลายเดือนก่อน

      😳😳😳

  • @punitht8112
    @punitht8112 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Everything is great as long u r happy

  • @monicakennedy5234
    @monicakennedy5234 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    where do they get their water from ?

  • @josedavidgarcesceballos7
    @josedavidgarcesceballos7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Question: do they live there because of their own decision, or because colonization and displacement? Cheers.

    • @NomadArchitecture
      @NomadArchitecture  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      To an extent colonisation, but not so much by Europeans. There are many different tribes in this area and a lot of conflict between them for resources.

    • @josedavidgarcesceballos7
      @josedavidgarcesceballos7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@NomadArchitecture thanks.

  • @1st1anarkissed
    @1st1anarkissed หลายเดือนก่อน

    Innsaskatcjewan the wind almost never stops blowing either and if it does, swarms of man-eating bugs descend for dinner. I expect smoke is used to help keep these huts clear sonit gives respite from both wind and flies.

  • @petirimunyikwa445
    @petirimunyikwa445 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m interested to know if this the turkana native home or if they have been pushed here due to fighting between the samburu n turkana

  • @bf9494
    @bf9494 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did you ask to see what they kept in there metal box?

  • @micheloff-grid4248
    @micheloff-grid4248 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very ecological system great I just no person disturb them in there way ..
    Were are the man if baby it must have

  • @meefamily5141
    @meefamily5141 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow!! respect for their survival.
    ฟังเป็น ทำนา คิดทำนา😅

  • @jlaum1
    @jlaum1 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The main thing is as a family they happy being together.

  • @MorningGlory62
    @MorningGlory62 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Huts are too small
    How do they sleep? Sitting up?

  • @margaretimukuka3326
    @margaretimukuka3326 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are the goat skins waterproof in case it rains?

    • @marykok7616
      @marykok7616 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Looks pretty dry

  • @nazuddin6346
    @nazuddin6346 หลายเดือนก่อน

    God bless them
    Ameen❤

  • @WGBirdFarm
    @WGBirdFarm 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nonton aja udh berasa haus pengen minum 😮

  • @lybichtram
    @lybichtram หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @sigutjo
    @sigutjo หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you leave on the subtitles for a little longer please? Especially for the longer sentences. I know I can pause the video but it would be nice to watch without disrupting the flow.

    • @NomadArchitecture
      @NomadArchitecture  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you for this. Actually we let some of the sentences get a bit long on this one.

    • @sigutjo
      @sigutjo หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@NomadArchitecture
      Thanks for the reply, have a nice day.

  • @kristenvincent3622
    @kristenvincent3622 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m always surprised how the actual home building is a female dominated activity in so many other cultures. Thank you for this glimpse into such a different way of life from western culture

    • @NomadArchitecture
      @NomadArchitecture  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      When you reflect on it, the only surprising thing really is that it is surprising! I have three daughters and I have brought them all up to believe they can do anything, and they do!

  • @lutfullaheren1028
    @lutfullaheren1028 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @nickynik5951
    @nickynik5951 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @engenhodidentro7396
    @engenhodidentro7396 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As an old psychoanalyst I can only consider this primitivism as the ideal model for human mental health.

  • @theunknown4209
    @theunknown4209 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks like erosion has stripped all the soil away leaving only rocks. They can't do much with the rocks, the rocks are rounded so they can't Construct much of anything with them. They do have hatchets. If they can get hatchers, could they get chisels?

  • @natalijanuri2265
    @natalijanuri2265 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    🌟🇨🇦🌟👍🌹God bless.

  • @im_agine852
    @im_agine852 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Where are the men that are making the babies? What are they contributing. The power of women!!

  • @user-re1ls5uj7j
    @user-re1ls5uj7j 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dragilor vá salut cu drag din Romania si má gindesc dacá voi sunteti feruciti acolo? Vi greu sau sunteti obišnuiti cu greul ma rog ptr voi sá fiti sánátosi si vá aoreciez ptr tot ce faceti acolo izolati de lume vai Doamne de ce? Aša sárácie acolo 😢😊❤

  • @georgewhitehouse8630
    @georgewhitehouse8630 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤I do imagine this ❤ 4:17 4:20

  • @trex3053
    @trex3053 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow. So, I imagine they have to wait to get enough goat skin to start building their home.

  • @user-ux8rd7bu5b
    @user-ux8rd7bu5b 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    tôi yêu những chú dê của họ

  • @user-nv1wi3wl1w
    @user-nv1wi3wl1w 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amazing people but always wonder why they built the huts so low even have to bend to go inside

  • @user-wn2rx5hp4f
    @user-wn2rx5hp4f 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Скоро люди летят на Марс. Боже мой МАКС помоги им😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

  • @catherinemoore9534
    @catherinemoore9534 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Truly amazing... I guess the men are somewhere where there's a bit of green vegetation for the goats?
    It looks like climate change is hitting these people hard... 😑😢

  • @shaairguled9274
    @shaairguled9274 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Insgiyoohabowsan welli toloow maafsoomaalibaa?

  • @markovlacic7977
    @markovlacic7977 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Which country is this?
    My god help these people

  • @RaggedRomeo
    @RaggedRomeo หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They build those all around Calais these days!

  • @Natalilidi
    @Natalilidi 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Не должны люди так жить.((((

  • @FriendlyBumbleBee
    @FriendlyBumbleBee หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where are the men?

  • @2200chuck
    @2200chuck หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why are the woman building the houses? Where are the men?

  • @user-rr8gw8bg1s
    @user-rr8gw8bg1s 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Quanta dignità

  • @georgewhitehouse8630
    @georgewhitehouse8630 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Of course you don’t want a sharp edge in the ground or hide

  • @not2tees
    @not2tees หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    None of them had to see a psychiatrist to give them psychotropic drugs to shut them down, so I don't see what's so harsh about their life at all.