Is it Easy to Make Weekly Income Through Options Trading? (the answer may surprise you)

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  • In this video we provide the details of a simple $SPX index weekly options strategy that can be put on each week throughout the year to help earn weekly income. Register for our free intensive trading webinar smbu.com/seth
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  • @ACR4008
    @ACR4008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    5:20 actually starts

    • @ianmenachery4951
      @ianmenachery4951 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Doing gods work

    • @thetrueyorker
      @thetrueyorker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You saved people thousands of hours

    • @Henryincanada
      @Henryincanada 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I should’ve come straight to comments, I saw this until when I was 4:49

    • @ktolwal
      @ktolwal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      my man

    • @miscellaneous3372
      @miscellaneous3372 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you

  • @trystwithlight
    @trystwithlight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    no sugar coating - no click baits. I love content like this! Keeping it realistic is a big positive as well.

  • @alexv4907
    @alexv4907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The constant reminder that you need to be prepared to take losses and plan accordingly is why I keep coming back to this channel.

    • @smbcapital
      @smbcapital  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      thx Alex! glad to have you back

    • @herrickinman9303
      @herrickinman9303 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you need to be reminded that you need to be prepared to take losses, simply do a few of these trades.

    • @bennorde2002
      @bennorde2002 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lmao@@herrickinman9303

  • @dorenestewart5084
    @dorenestewart5084 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    I'm struggling in this market. Stocks that I have held for months and made profits from are not behaving the way I'm used to so I’m quite indecisive on how to tackle this market, any advice would be grateful.

    • @dorenestewart5084
      @dorenestewart5084 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PhyllisPierce That sounds great and what signal do you invest with?

    • @dorenestewart5084
      @dorenestewart5084 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PhyllisPierce That's awesome and please how do I connect with this broker lady?

    • @dorenestewart5084
      @dorenestewart5084 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PhyllisPierce I'm currently on her webpage now, her reviews are very impressive and I left a message for her. thanks, a lot.

  • @9to5investorsclub-investin36
    @9to5investorsclub-investin36 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Absolutely agree! Staying consistent and managing risk properly has been great for options income strategies!

  • @jonathanshields3461
    @jonathanshields3461 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just getting into all this trading, investing. This video has been by far the most up front and honest training/teaching I've watched.

    • @obrienesm762
      @obrienesm762 4 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @heartofthunder1440
    @heartofthunder1440 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Yep, some of this can be quite difficult to take in, you really have to pay attention to detail, be good in basic math, and have good multi-tasking skills. And for anyone who is just getting started on their own in stock trading shouldn’t be using this strategy. Just learn how to buy low and sell high on swing trading for a bit. Do your research, have a good spread of stocks, don’t just put your money in just 1 particular stock, have 5 to 8 stocks, put a few of them in low risk that you wouldn’t mind holding on to for long time, and practice on 1 or 2 stocks to research in and play with. Buy in low sell high, get out. Buy in low sell high, rinse repeat. You can make money, it will take a little time to build up a good amount of money, but over time, of sliding funds into your account, and mixture of learning on how to buy low sell high with 2 stocks you can graduate to doing this with 3 different stocks, 4 different stocks, and so on. But, this is what I’m doing for now, this strategy of trading options can be done on the think or swim platform for practice. The main thing I’m getting at is be cautious and thing logical.

    • @israelvalentin3031
      @israelvalentin3031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for the tips 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  • @tylerpemberton7980
    @tylerpemberton7980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Being new to trading options I would love a step by step tutorial on how to place a broken wing butterfly and other option strategies. It’s difficult to tell where the calls/puts are in your video but I love the instruction. Seth is an excellent trainer and really breaks things down into an easy-to-understand explanation.

    • @desisher5292
      @desisher5292 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      If anyone is new to options, then they should NOT be trading butterflies. This is an advanced strategy and not suitable for newbies.

    • @bboichirok661
      @bboichirok661 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠​⁠@@desisher5292facts 💯 %

  • @stevevacca6392
    @stevevacca6392 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Enjoyed the lesson. I’m just learning options now and not ready for this, but maybe in the future.

    • @ajnasu5099
      @ajnasu5099 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This was great, thanks, I've been looking for "options trading program" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you ever come across - Winoorfa Option Olegroson - (do a search on google ) ? Ive heard some incredible things about it and my work buddy got cool results with it.

    • @randallewebb
      @randallewebb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Start small and slow.
      Butterfly's are more complex. Start with Vertical Spreads, Iron Condors, and an occasional Naked Put/Call on VERY low priced underlying ($20 or less).
      Start there and then move onto Strangles, Straddles, Iron Flys, Diagonals.
      Finally, Butterflys and other things. Also there are futures as well.

    • @Bravo21
      @Bravo21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same. Not ready to try this yet and I have an honor's degree in Economics and Accounting with a minor in applied math. Yet, is the key term here. We will get there.

  • @theowalcott8624
    @theowalcott8624 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    love the lesson will be watching multiple times bless.

  • @gregorykadok3356
    @gregorykadok3356 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the backtesting results you give. Thanks

  • @raytempus4212
    @raytempus4212 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thank you for being honest and real. I’m getting back to trading after a long time away from it. I had a professional career trading equities and options. I plan to attend many of your classes to develop my options trading skills. I’m learning from your information already.

  • @wboquist
    @wboquist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    This guy's presentations seem remarkably free of b.s.

    • @Trainwhrek
      @Trainwhrek 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The first 5 minutes are essentially and ad with good graphics?

  • @michaelwarren9944
    @michaelwarren9944 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Thank you for this information. I like someone to shoot straight and no bull. I subscribed.

    • @smbcapital
      @smbcapital  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thx Micheal! Glad to have you as a subscriber

    • @TraderXFiddler
      @TraderXFiddler 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No bull... lol

    • @Frankincensedjb123
      @Frankincensedjb123 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who cares if it's $150 / month for a $5,000 account. Fuxk that

  • @timookello3822
    @timookello3822 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Great content. If you could zoom in you screen when you display tables that would help people like myself with poor eyesight.
    Thanks

    • @smbcapital
      @smbcapital  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      thanks for suggestion.

    • @rumbleofthunder
      @rumbleofthunder 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try zoom under accessibility if using ios, or mag tool if windows 10

    • @bjj6708
      @bjj6708 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hit the Windows key Then the plus key, but, definition not great, for him to give a closer zoom would improve.

  • @greggdonovan3812
    @greggdonovan3812 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome educational video. Greatly appreciate what you provide. Thank you and look forward to more of your videos.

  • @75pdubs
    @75pdubs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    At least this guy is honest and realistic about drawdowns.

    • @smbcapital
      @smbcapital  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      even happens to the best traders at SMB

  • @chazIII7III
    @chazIII7III ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate the honesty about having the possibility of spiraling losses.

  • @pattyaap7345
    @pattyaap7345 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys are such an inspiration and an authority on options trading. Glad to see your channel exploding! Here are some questions for upcoming videos: 1) When to do Deep OTM options 2) When to do Deep ITM options? 3) This strategy is for a bull market, can you also give an example of a bear market? Do you use the call side or do you do debit spreads? Lots of questions, I know but it would be nice to know as time decay is crucial in options trading.

  • @j.d.7324
    @j.d.7324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks for the great content!

  • @uzbekcooks7814
    @uzbekcooks7814 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Seth Freudberg!
    A retail investor with a small account (under 5K) would rather do a different technique. A "naked" PUT option for example for this week of March 1 thru 5 2021 on WKHS and RKT.
    An investment of 14K will bring an awesome return.
    Thank you for not telling me that is a very dangerous game (naked options). I've learned it hard way.

  • @austinmiller6837
    @austinmiller6837 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Would it be a good idea to do this on the call side also like an iron condor so you could make more money on the same capital or am I missing somthing?

  • @daveexplorer6759
    @daveexplorer6759 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. Thank you!
    Question 1: why the 10 Delta strike...why not, say 15 Delta for the short strike?
    Qustion 2: Is there a weekly butterfly strategy with a very minimal capital requirement and high profil/loss ratio?

  • @remohor
    @remohor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic overview! Thank you.

  • @joehill5293
    @joehill5293 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video, I’m still new to options. My question to you is when looking at volume and open interest, are high open interest options the good choices to pick. Thanks 🙏

    • @andrewugale2476
      @andrewugale2476 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or the difference the bid and ask

    • @75pdubs
      @75pdubs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Overall open interest in the stocks options are more important. You can trade a strike with low open interest if other strikes have decent open interest.
      The higher liquidity of a stocks options will be reflected in a tighter bid/ask.

  • @korenhaim
    @korenhaim 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are really professional Mr. Freudberg!

  • @craigcothren6629
    @craigcothren6629 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have just started a Options class I paid $900 for. I thankyou for explaining with as little as $65,000 i can make $48k +/- a year. At present I make 16 % on $200,000 or $32,000. So your numbers are interesting to me.

  • @kleenup2
    @kleenup2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    I always cut the trade if it loses as much as I'm looking to gain. Keeping a 1:1 risk reward ratio on known max gain trades is paramount for me. I like your teaching and presentation style.

    • @caw5v
      @caw5v 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It would have to be 1:1 or at least something approximating that ratio, because if you took a loss of $2000, as was stated during the broken butterfly strategy, for approximately 20% of the time, within a year, you effectively make nothing. Am I missing something or does this make since? I'm new to this btw, just trying to understand.

    • @brandonvillatuya9539
      @brandonvillatuya9539 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@caw5v yeah ideally you'd want to get out long before you reach a max loss scenario. As long as you lose less than you make you'll be good

    • @georgio318
      @georgio318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You will still be in profit. Out of 10 trades you lose 2 x $2000 (20 percent) = - $4000.00. You win 8 x $1000 (80 percent) = + $8000.00. The difference is $4000.00.

    • @lrbjr123
      @lrbjr123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@georgio318 The problem is when the market gaps down below bottom strike and you lose $15,000. It's hard to set a limit loss in the market.

    • @serleon6165
      @serleon6165 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@lrbjr123 can't happen on a spread.
      Also closing your winners at a set % keeps em from coming back on you and being losers.

  • @suresh-on7xx
    @suresh-on7xx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Appreciate great video on weekly stratagy. Thanks

  • @sarkarmom
    @sarkarmom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoy your videos. Very simple and informative for amateurs. Thanks for your efforts.. I have just started trading/ investing .. got some good profit. Looking for options trading now. Planning to take your workshop some time soon ☺️.

  • @Lyotac
    @Lyotac 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a benefit to using a broken wing butterfly over a regular credit put spread? Would using put spreads with the same 10 delta, 1000$ target profit, 2000$ stop loss give the same results?

  • @simahui3383
    @simahui3383 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The workshop goes over Credit Spreads and Iron Condors.Its pretty clear and easy to understand. In short if you have a small account, don't waste the 2 hrs. 30 mins is spent hyping up their own legitimacy at the beginning, 30 min at the end offering their 6 -8k video course.

  • @jacobdavid
    @jacobdavid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Honest and glaringly straight to the point. There is no magic ATM machine out there. And, you will face losses. You will need $62K in capital/margin to make $52K or 81% returns, with losses, based on where the option is headed. This BROKEN WING BUTTERFLY strategy on the SPX index is definitely for intermediate to expert traders. Thank you Seth Freudberg.

    • @vanessacosta_interiores
      @vanessacosta_interiores 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Why not do the same strategy at SPY? It would require 10X less capital.

    • @tylerrb1937
      @tylerrb1937 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      what about a 17 year old trying to start

    • @Bravo21
      @Bravo21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tylerrb1937 Honestly age has nothing to do with it. If you can understand the nuance of the trades and do the math, you should be fine. One thing you must do though is keep wishes and ego out of your decision making process. This is not place for wishful thinking... you must be disciplined, follow the strategy to the letter, understand there will be losing weeks and budget for the weeks you will lose money. Because those weeks will come.

  • @frankb1928
    @frankb1928 4 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    I just do call options on good stock. Every now and then put spreads.Options can get addicting be careful.

    • @pavelcurda
      @pavelcurda 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some examples of current put spreads?

    • @willmurrin9344
      @willmurrin9344 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Pavel Curda I’m putting in a put on WingStop tomorrow.

    • @figh761
      @figh761 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Any plan to make a million in 5 years

    • @JTG313
      @JTG313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      True very addicting

    • @pavelcurda
      @pavelcurda 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@willmurrin9344 details?

  • @gregoryjules2005
    @gregoryjules2005 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Where do I apply? I just got my options certifications!

  • @tlhamby1
    @tlhamby1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Put this trade on 12/4. Up $800 in 2 days. Thanks Seth for all you guys do for retail traders!

    • @teeno684
      @teeno684 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tony Hamby how much did u invest?

    • @gregdolley9189
      @gregdolley9189 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Galileo7of9 Why do you say this is "meaningless"??

    • @putt7515
      @putt7515 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Update?

  • @carinemarcelle5867
    @carinemarcelle5867 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good explanation
    Thank you
    Which brokers allow those transactions on the indexes? ($100/point)?
    My broker want me to have the buying power before I place the trade.

  • @leonardocubillos3205
    @leonardocubillos3205 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    thank you!!! great video

  • @teresab208
    @teresab208 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned how to do covered calls and loving it

  • @phlliphramsammy1035
    @phlliphramsammy1035 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great strategy!

  • @cindywatson5971
    @cindywatson5971 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Seth
    This case study is based on the market rally and the index moved away from the strike price. But what if there is a market downturn, then how do you compute the loss? Thks

  • @BigMeech18
    @BigMeech18 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Seth and SMB capital! I love the video and have been using this trade since Dec 2019(not enough buying power for a 10 x 20 x 10 lot) when I first saw the video. My question is do you ever let the butterfly expire? What I'm experiencing is I can't get filled on my exit or I have to work more towards the natural then the mid price. Thanks for your help!

  • @ericfine325
    @ericfine325 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is thisstrategy still applicable in Feb/March 2022. It seems premiums 2 week out in the SPY has drastically reduced. Barely enough difference between (20 x Put at 0.1 delta) - (10 xPut $5 above) =$1000. And the bottom strike is so far out of the money or in this case doesn't exist that the margin required is quite large. Would one reduce the length of the top wing? Is it unadvisable to go out 4 weeks instead of 2?

  • @Patriot400
    @Patriot400 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why example of Put Options only? Does it work for Call options? How to choose Call or Put?

  • @Andrew-cm5tc
    @Andrew-cm5tc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a way to put an order so that the trade will close automatically if price goes below 3045? Is that realistic as long as it doesn't gap down?

  • @waynelast1685
    @waynelast1685 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is it relatively manageable for one person to use $100k 0r $ 200k to trade to generate say $2000 or $3000 per week? In other words how easily does this method scale?

  • @rqztaz
    @rqztaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are these workshops still running in september 2020?

  • @HAJensen19987
    @HAJensen19987 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent - thank you!

  • @gracegan8875
    @gracegan8875 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Seth! What sort of market conditions is this strategy best suited for? Any minimum IV requirement?

  • @davidfordonez
    @davidfordonez 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you recommend to do stop losses for intraday weekly option trading?

  • @nelsonpoolsparepair
    @nelsonpoolsparepair 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the great and informative video. Is the $1000 profit after any trading fees?

  • @mem4730
    @mem4730 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great work. With Opvue now closed, which software do you use to manage your positions.? Thanks. Mick.

  • @chrisnorris173
    @chrisnorris173 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Hey there, just getting started, dont understand anything you are talking about. Kinda like my chemistry class and learning the periodic table...doesn't make sense at first until one day...it finally sinks! I'm just not there yet.

    • @Bassium08
      @Bassium08 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just know, unlike chemistry, you can make direct profits from these lessons. Also unlike chemistry you can incur massive loss. In risk we trust.

    • @Omikoshi78
      @Omikoshi78 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably the same odds of success as repeatedly betting black on a roulette table with a exit point. (E.g. if I lose x dollars or win y dollars I’m out)

  • @user-Tim66
    @user-Tim66 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the advantage to doing a broken wing butterfly over a simple put spread

  • @kklaw3700
    @kklaw3700 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How about setting a similar BWB on the calls as well?

  • @marckenyon9953
    @marckenyon9953 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good presentation but it could be improved greatly by illustrating the broken wing option trade on an actual chart and explain briefly what happens as the price of the underlying instrument goes up or down.

  • @jamaica209
    @jamaica209 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can we do covered call options on index fund every month, irrespective of index price and just focus on getting premium on selling call option ?

    • @75pdubs
      @75pdubs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes

  • @billstenner3026
    @billstenner3026 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoying the videos... as with anything it’s like déjà Vous .. don’t want to create any unweildy 🐙 octopus let alone a giant vampire squid 🦑 that could take down a 🐋
    I really liked the first vid I saw about Eminis and locking in delta and thought right away i will have to look at how I can apply that to stock gains..
    truly enjoying your videos so far.. we’ll done ✅
    Though creating a Vampire Squid to go whale hunting could be fun ;)

  • @gregdolley9189
    @gregdolley9189 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    @SMB Capital - Seth - there's a better way to close a winning BWB trade, in my opinion. Let's say you do the strategy you explained in the video as a 1-lot, so your profit is $100/lot, and your losers are $200/lot. Instead of simply closing the winning trade when it reaches $100 of profit, do this: buy the debit spread which would convert the BWB into a regular butterfly _when_ that debit spread reaches a cost of 10 cents. So you're spending $10 bucks of your $100 profit to buy this spread, but you save 50% in commissions (since you're just buying/selling 2 contracts instead of 4 with the whole butterfly), _and_ you're left with a regular butterfly that now has a "max-loss" of a $90/lot _profit_ and a "lotto-ticket" max-profit the same as the original BWB minus 10 bucks. So by giving up 10 bucks/lot of the original BWB's normal profit, you get to keep your lotto ticket in case the market sells off by a lot and expires at the BWB's top profit point _and_ you're still guaranteed to make $90/lot in _any_ other scenario, no matter what!
    Here's a REAL-WORLD EXAMPLE of exactly what I'm describing above in a live-trade that I have on right now:
    On 12/26/2019, I bought the SPX 3115/3110/3075 PUT butterfly expiring on 1/10/2020 for a -1.00 debit (so really a $1 credit). Afterwards, I put an order out to buy the 3105/3075 PUT debit spread for a 0.10 debit (which is OCO'd to my stop-loss order). The market for this debit spread is currently 0.15, so I hope to get filled sometime tomorrow, as the market is strong, and there's only four days left to go on the butterfly - the theta decay alone should bring the debit spread to 0.10. What I'll be left with is a normal 3115/3110/3105 butterfly with a built-in _guaranteed_ $90/lot profit and a max-profit of $590/lot. I just love looking at the risk-graph of these "locked-profit" spreads, as there are no negative values! And there's still 4 days left to go until expiration! You can do a similar thing with a lot of complex-option trades, but the BWB is probably the best to do them on since it doesn't take away much of your original profit-target.
    Of course, now that I'm writing what I hope to happen, the option gods are going to strike me down, and the market will crash tomorrow, lol!

    • @gregdolley9189
      @gregdolley9189 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Galileo7of9 - You basically have the idea right. But remember, you buy the $10 debit spread _after_ the butterfly is nearly worthless, so you already have almost a $100 to $110 floating profit on the broken wing butterfly. By spending $10 bucks on the "conversion" debit spread, it's like you're taking $10 out of your floating profit, and spending it in advance. Once the trade executes, you will see on your risk profile graph that you have no negative "max loss" anymore - in TOS, the light cyan line is all above zero at _any_ price, 0 to infinity. Sure, you're spending $10 bucks on something that has _almost_ no chance of happening - 2% in your scenario; but 2% isn't nothing... you could close your entire broken wing butterfly and keep that extra $10 bucks and pay double in commissions, but then you'd have a 0% chance of getting an extra $2890 bucks. You're right, on paper, it seems like a lottery ticket doing it my way, but it _has_ happened to me one time where I spent $20 bucks to close this _exact_ same type of BWB (broken wing butterfly) trade on NFLX (I had two lots), and it expired within 1 cent of my short PUT body strike! I spent $20 bucks, and made an extra $6000 dollars! So there you have it! I would've so kicked myself if I had just closed the whole BWB trade at the ~$240 floating profit I had at the time (on the Thursday before expiration). So, yeah, 2%... :D If I had always closed the entire BWB trade in one swoop (no extra debit spread), I would have to do this same trade 300 times before the extra $20 dollars in savings added up to the $6,000 I made on that one day.

    • @gregdolley9189
      @gregdolley9189 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Galileo7of9 - yes, something is wrong then. I'll run a sim of your trade in TOS and see what's going on...

    • @gregdolley9189
      @gregdolley9189 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Galileo7of9 ok, so the problem was you did the -3170/+3165 spread, but it should be the -3155/+3165 PUT debit spread for 0.10 debit. This shows a max loss of +$100. I was the in the SPX 24 JAN +3175/-3170/-3170/+3140 bwb until today, which I originally got for a 1.05 credit (shows as -1.05 debit in TOS) on 1/13. Today, my GTC order for the -3175/+3200 debit spread got executed for 0.10. Now that makes my position the +3140/-3170/-3170/+3200 PUT fly. TOS now shows this position with the cyan line at +$1016 at the base (max loss) and somewhere around +$6500 max profit (my position size was 2 lots). It's showing about $850 more on the "max loss" than it should because it's no longer considering the amount I paid for the 3175 PUT originally (which was $4.28 x 2 lots = about $850). Now is it more clear?

    • @gregdolley9189
      @gregdolley9189 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Galileo7of9 - another way to look at this is: I have the 3200/3170/3140 PUT butterfly as my final position today. What were my net debit/credits used to get here? I'll read you my trade history: on 1/13, got in a 1.05 credit, and on 1/21 (today) got debited 0.10. So what's my net? A credit of 0.95. Now go into TOS and enter an order for buying the 3200/3170/3140 fly for a 0.95 credit. Hit analyze. Now do you see no negative values? Max loss of +$190, right? Of course, nobody would sell you this fly for a 0.95 credit because it guarantees them a loss (and guarantees you a profit), right? Also, no brainer, they wouldn't. So the only way to get a fly like this for a 0.95 credit, is to break up the trade, take that "time risk", and then later do the conversion trade. That "time risk" you took translates to your now guaranteed small profit, or huge profit (if the market crashes before Friday). And that "time risk" is potentially huge, remember - max loss on my original BWB was somewhere around $2300/lot and about $900/lot on your BWB (your lowest strike is much further inward, so you have less risk).

    • @gregdolley9189
      @gregdolley9189 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Galileo7of9 - Yes, exactly!!

  • @nitinmirpuri3313
    @nitinmirpuri3313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is it possible to put up a video on how to determine / calculate return on investment selling naked options. (call / put) If possible could you use the SPX ? Thankyou. Looking forward to a response.

    • @Johndoe-gf7ks
      @Johndoe-gf7ks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Selling naked the loss can be infinite

  • @WildWestPros
    @WildWestPros 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation! Thanks

  • @patrickgibson6284
    @patrickgibson6284 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In looking to put on this trade I'm seeing the price difference on the put debit side of the trade is more than the difference on the put credit side. I'm not sure if that's just the market right now. Really want to try this but right now looks like it just locks in a loss. Or maybe I misunderstand it... I'll watch it again

  • @kocornhole4613
    @kocornhole4613 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the vid. At first I was a bit skeptical thinking it was the usual "make money in any market" straddle pitch. I was pleased to find candid, detailed info though. Was the reason you bought the put that gave $1000 credit simply for the value or are you looking for a delta range for the whole trade?

  • @normanarmstrong9048
    @normanarmstrong9048 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you.

  • @scottsmith4145
    @scottsmith4145 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok,, so same strategy of selling 10 delta puts For all 52 trades? Or was it mixed depending on market direction bias and why $2000 as the risk per trade and not less? $2000 would represent nearly 10% of the total risk capital required by broker per trade. Seems kinda steep. I risk no more than 3% on short option swing trades and only 1% on long trades.

  • @hobonickel840
    @hobonickel840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I only need a $500 week supplement ...however only been learning this stuff since a few months ago ...I needed a challenge and I can't climb Mt. Everest ..it's too far away!

  • @aGr3atD4y
    @aGr3atD4y 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great vid!

  • @GardenBoat
    @GardenBoat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have to be approved for naked option sells?

  • @cdaddy20
    @cdaddy20 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    "We'll all be billionaires if our Back Tests worked in the future."
    Quote from staff of CBOE.

    • @kennykenaz8340
      @kennykenaz8340 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This was great, thanks, I've been looking for "examples of options strategies" for a while now, and I think this has helped. You ever tried - Winoorfa Option Olegroson - (search on google ) ? Ive heard some pretty good things about it and my co-worker got great results with it.

    • @giovannipoorsaid1744
      @giovannipoorsaid1744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Of course you can make a weekly income lmao look at tsla and appl not to mention the downfall of roku and fedex with the upside/downside of ba hell yea brother im 19 and trading is my income... im also a full time college student, i wish i was into forex also but thats a little more difficult in my opinion

    • @randallblake1213
      @randallblake1213 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly. They are back testing, not trading. NEVER pay attention to someone who “proves” his strategy with back testing. Don’t walk away - run!

    • @beamerUSA
      @beamerUSA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      cdaddy20 people who don't have the knack in this field should stay away from this kind of biz. Stick to Rap

    • @beamerUSA
      @beamerUSA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@randallblake1213 pls check meaning of ur name in Indian language....RAND

  • @benphillips1
    @benphillips1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super confusing... Can you show the risk profile of this trade? Or an order / execution as an example? It's hard for me to visualize what's going on with the broken wing strategy and what the risks are. Thanks

  • @gregfam6250
    @gregfam6250 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the rationale for not cutting losses earlier, say at -1.5k or even -1k?

  • @argument1582
    @argument1582 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yup

  • @markfoo23
    @markfoo23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Seth, does the 2000 loss include the 1000 credit? Ie. When loss hits 3000? From the way the you said it, it seems like close the position when there is a 2000 loss but if you take in the 1000 credit, it means its only 1000 loss and not 2000. Please advise

    • @markfoo23
      @markfoo23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Seth any comments on this?

  • @yasirali709
    @yasirali709 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work

  • @danieljohnpaul
    @danieljohnpaul 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this is all good but what is the roi% .. I'm guessing its below 2%, that's pretty low for the risk incurred here

    • @gneyman
      @gneyman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Collect 1k on 25k margin in 14 days, stagger another position 1wk into the first trade, ladder & keep rolling, avg 1% wk return on pie (ROE)/10% return on slice (ROI).. if don't mind cap inefficiency and volatile PnL increment volatility/frequency of change/path dependency distribution to destination point of max credit collected

  • @Ryan-gk1bd
    @Ryan-gk1bd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for the information, I'm still a bit fuzzy though. Can someone explain to me what the main differences is between this strategy and a put credit spread?

    • @markfoo23
      @markfoo23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The main difference is in the max profit . Credit spread max profit n loss is set at the beginning. BWB achieves max profit when the price actually drops to the sold strikes, which means the profit is not defined until the last moment.

    • @75pdubs
      @75pdubs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A butterfly is basically a put spread - spread. In this example, you are buying the 3040/3045 put spread and selling the 3020/3045 put spread.

    • @herrickinman9303
      @herrickinman9303 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This trade consists of 10 put debit spreads and 10 put credit spreads:
      A) 10 put debit spreads:
      Buy 10 $SPX 3045 puts = $-7,700
      Sell 10 $SPX 3040 puts = $+7,200
      =======
      $ -500
      Max Loss = $500 @ $SPX >= 3045
      Max Gain = $4,500 @ $SPX = 3040
      Max Loss = $20,000 - $1,800 = $18,200 @ $SPX

  • @Sir_Pumpington_Of_Dumpenshire
    @Sir_Pumpington_Of_Dumpenshire 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ok, ez, just ramp up the expectation to 4k a week so that the end of year average is more acceptable. I don't believe that there aren't folks out there pillaging the market for thousands of dollars every week. They are out there.

  • @halmedrano
    @halmedrano 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm having trouble figuring out what's the worst case scenario for this trade. Like if the market gaps down overnight, what is your maximum loss, using the same numbers you used in the video? Great vids, BTW - I'm learning a lot going though them.

  • @Oct-jy4dz
    @Oct-jy4dz ปีที่แล้ว

    What will be the expectation of the market trend for this strategy? should it be a bullish or bearish or side way? Can it be used at the call side and how? Thanks for your time.

  • @trexieville
    @trexieville 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What signal you need to trigger this trade? and do you need a bias for this trade or a neutral.

    • @markfoo23
      @markfoo23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This should be a bullish to neutral strategy

  • @arnoldvantaak5533
    @arnoldvantaak5533 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    At 13:20 their is an invite to a webinar to learn 3 options strategies.
    In the said "webinar" this is how it goes:
    +- the first 30 minutes of the "webinar" is about how great SMB is.
    in +- the next 60 minutes the said three strategies presented. The webinar explains these strategies conceptually, no different than most basic options literature would explain it. (e.g. iron condors and put credit spreads.)
    +- the last 30min is used to sell you an options strategy course for $1997.00.
    The webinar only addresses three simple options strategies in a very basic way, adding no additional value over any decent options strategy handbook.
    The webinar invite (the video above) made no mention of the sales pitch at the end of the webinar.
    It does seem that the "webinar" served as bait; after wrestling through 90 minutes of mundane it seems reasonable to want to listen through to the end / complete the webinar, only to be subjected to a trading education sales pitch all to familiar in the retail trading space.
    Disappointed, disgusted.

    • @travis4118
      @travis4118 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is how they make the money. Some are going to pay.

  • @anbao8784
    @anbao8784 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So we you have anything like this for the current market?

  • @dyloncook6030
    @dyloncook6030 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm interested as to why you wouldn't let the short puts run to expiration worthless letting you keep the entirity of the credit received from selling it and simply sell the long puts closer to experation to reclaim some of debit from buying them for a greater profit

  • @OPPOSMITE
    @OPPOSMITE 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm looking to use options to make extra money on options of stocks I'm looking to own.

  • @coolthingsintemu
    @coolthingsintemu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    It's one of my favourite strategies for income generating. One caveat though - it does require a sizable capital Thx...

    • @commonman44
      @commonman44 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is it easy to implement??

    • @insurancecasino5790
      @insurancecasino5790 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Unlike many new trading sites that offer options education, this channel is the real deal. Seth is a real options trader. Great information.

    • @jandolin
      @jandolin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      How much capital is required for this trade?

    • @insurancecasino5790
      @insurancecasino5790 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jandolin he tells you in the video click here ➡ 10:44

    • @jandolin
      @jandolin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@insurancecasino5790 Thank you.

  • @JJason406
    @JJason406 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use charles charwb and dont see this option chain

  • @hc76016
    @hc76016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are these strategies only apply to the spx index or can you use this in any stock?

    • @75pdubs
      @75pdubs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any stock. You may have early exercise and special dividends issues with single stocks though.

  • @ransielgalme8097
    @ransielgalme8097 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Seth.....you are true inspiration.....i feel like a better trader just listening to your videos.....let me get this straight you made three directional trades down....the mkt went up and you still made money? .for me who knows nothing about options...difficult to comprehend....my question is -as a daytrader are there any simple option strategies that can use to play the open?
    thank you ...your work is outstanding......

  • @desisher5292
    @desisher5292 ปีที่แล้ว

    This would only work in flat or bullish markets. In which case, why not just sell a credit Put spread?

  • @LeeGreyMatter
    @LeeGreyMatter ปีที่แล้ว

    Why not place one BWB above the market as well as one below the market?

  • @stang6882
    @stang6882 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome lesson, thank you Seth!!

  • @maikanguyen1562
    @maikanguyen1562 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, is this only apply if we expect SPX to rally? If SPX gap down then could this be a loosing trade?

    • @linda33528
      @linda33528 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No it depends on what kind of options you buy call vs put. Also I’m not sure if you know what credit spreads are but that’s kind of what he basically describes with this butterfly strategy. You buy an option and you sell one too to mitigate risk and costs.

    • @maikanguyen1562
      @maikanguyen1562 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@linda33528 Thank you. I think we have to adjust the trade -- like rolling over the spreads. I know options and I'm still learning on spreads, ICs and butterfly strategies.

  • @marcofavro7050
    @marcofavro7050 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Incredible video.

  • @sathyam5937
    @sathyam5937 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Seth, why are we doing it only on the put side ? Is it not better if we do this butterfly on both call and put side to get some cushion ?

    • @gneyman
      @gneyman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try modeling the risk curve to see the greeks and expity/T0 curves

    • @markfoo23
      @markfoo23 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Studies have shown that market go up more often than not. This is the edge in this PUT BWB. Also I believe 10 delta on the call side is nearer to the price. Need to check on that though.

  • @adithalee8660
    @adithalee8660 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't you already have to own these contracts in order to sell them??? Or have enough money to own the shares or contracts first? And then enough money to buy and sell the put options? Wouldn't you need more then $2500 to play in the options market game? Since 1 contract is equal to 100 stocks of 1 company and equal to 1 contract share.

  • @leon21th64
    @leon21th64 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Even the market go side way, you would have profited upon premium decay toward the expiry. The hardest is to pick a correct short point. When too close, the risk would be too high, when too far way, the profit would be too small.

  • @nunosousa3017
    @nunosousa3017 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seth, thank you again for your contribution to the trading community, very informative. Really liked how you put all the risks on the table, indeed there is no magic in trading. Although, as newbie in options trading i would like to see an approach on the how to backtest strategies. Could you provide with some future videos or tools available in internet? Thank you in advance.
    Nuno

  • @anupgadve3425
    @anupgadve3425 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there a recent update on this strategy? Just trying to understand the strategy is still profitable in 2023.

  • @giG_apP_haCks_
    @giG_apP_haCks_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Couldn't you double this up by doing sort of a iron condor version of this by doing a 10/-20/10 call spread ABOVE the stock price as well? You would just have the same rules, 10 delta, 1 strike below, then go up until you find an option price that gets you just over your $1000 credit objective, but do this for a call. Seems like you could more than double your potential average earnings by having maximum gains of $2,600, and maximum losses of only $700. Whenever you would lose the entire $2000, you would automatically get the $1300 on the otherside, for a maximum loss of $700. The margin requirement still would

  • @Godchosen00
    @Godchosen00 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty interesting.