I don't think you can get two action points off a single Eloquence token. Eloquence needs to destroy itself in order to give the NAA go again. So even though you might trigger a single Eloquence twice, I don't think you should be able to get go again on both NAAs with it.
Here are the rules from the great book itself. This has been confirmed by my judge friend and the judge discord at this point. So I am pretty confident 1.7.9a Activated-layers and triggered-layers exist independently of their source. If the source of an activated-layer or triggered-layer ceases to exist, it does not prevent the resolution of that layer. 5.3.2c If the resolution of a layer generates two or more effects, effects are generated immediately and in the order specified by the resolution abilities. If any generated effect fails, the remaining effects continue to be generated.
You can even get more tricky bc shadow NAAs trigger Vynnset so you can organize the layers with even more control not that it makes too much of a difference but you can. So you can layer NAA Vynn eloquence if you felt like it.
@@SavageLandsNews You're right, I just checked the release notes which confirms: "If Eloquence is destroyed before its trigger resolves, it will still give the non-attack action card go again, because it is not conditional on destroying the token."
Does Rattle bones not fit the cost curve? Seems like a good card to add action points and extend combos even further by banishing a runegate from grave
the problem is though that Runegate is a replacement cost. cost in FaB is calculated the following way: alternative cost, cost increase, cost decrease. So Frostbites hurt Runegate alot :(
So I’m a bit confused about this tech. When the eloquence token is added to the layer in the example, does its destruction resolve between the two funeral moons or after both resolve? I thought the eloquence token would be added to the layer after the first funeral Moon and be destroyed between them?? Maybe I’m missing something.
You can respond before the destruction takes place since it's added to the layers. So basically you get to play the card with GA - it resolves and the destruction of the token goes into the stack. You can then play at instant speed another NAA and since the eloquence token has not been destroyed yet you gain it's benefits
@@SavageLandsNews okay, so it goes like this -> non attack action, eloquence pop, respond to eloquence pop at instant speed and gain another action point?
I don't think you can get two action points off a single Eloquence token. Eloquence needs to destroy itself in order to give the NAA go again. So even though you might trigger a single Eloquence twice, I don't think you should be able to get go again on both NAAs with it.
Here are the rules from the great book itself. This has been confirmed by my judge friend and the judge discord at this point. So I am pretty confident
1.7.9a Activated-layers and triggered-layers exist independently of their source. If the source of an
activated-layer or triggered-layer ceases to exist, it does not prevent the resolution of that layer.
5.3.2c If the resolution of a layer generates two or more effects, effects are generated immediately and
in the order specified by the resolution abilities. If any generated effect fails, the remaining effects
continue to be generated.
You can even get more tricky bc shadow NAAs trigger Vynnset so you can organize the layers with even more control not that it makes too much of a difference but you can. So you can layer NAA Vynn eloquence if you felt like it.
@@SavageLandsNews You're right, I just checked the release notes which confirms: "If Eloquence is destroyed before its trigger resolves, it will still give the non-attack action card go again, because it is not conditional on destroying the token."
@@Kriptini thanks for checking!
Haha I have a video going out tomorrow describing this exact combo, wish I would have seen that you already covered it 😅
The fact it doesn't consume the Runechants for Runegate still amazes me.
Would make her pretty bad tbh but yeah free value as a hero power seems to be a runeblade thing lol
Love the breakdown. She looks Interesting. Look forward to your take on her.
This looks super good, would love to see some gameplay with the eloquence play lines … action points for days and rune gates wiiiide open 🎉
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Breaking the chain is something I had to learn to do with Levia to get more cards into grave for a final push
Does Rattle bones not fit the cost curve? Seems like a good card to add action points and extend combos even further by banishing a runegate from grave
One of the best commentated matches I've ever watched. I was laughing most of the video. I'm in.
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Interesting ideas but is int autloose vs ice lexi and islander?
I would rely on cost reduction by runechants to fix that. Kinda how vis deals with it. But the sideboard is not done at all 🤣
the problem is though that Runegate is a replacement cost. cost in FaB is calculated the following way: alternative cost, cost increase, cost decrease. So Frostbites hurt Runegate alot :(
So I’m a bit confused about this tech. When the eloquence token is added to the layer in the example, does its destruction resolve between the two funeral moons or after both resolve? I thought the eloquence token would be added to the layer after the first funeral Moon and be destroyed between them?? Maybe I’m missing something.
You can respond before the destruction takes place since it's added to the layers. So basically you get to play the card with GA - it resolves and the destruction of the token goes into the stack. You can then play at instant speed another NAA and since the eloquence token has not been destroyed yet you gain it's benefits
@@SavageLandsNews okay, so it goes like this -> non attack action, eloquence pop, respond to eloquence pop at instant speed and gain another action point?
@@nekowolf1444 simplistically yes!
@@SavageLandsNews thank you for the clarification!!!
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only problem is how you gonna that many banish cards. if it take 3 turn to stack 3 card then you gonna take 1+2+3 which is 6 from blood debt
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