Another critical tip for new players is to place rally points of factories towards the front lines while factories have looped build cues of offensive oriented units like tanks and bots, which allows the essential and constant pressure on your opponent.
Coming from Starcraft 2, this feels A LOT different, but exciting at the same time! I love that feel you get when you discover something new to master :)
The most important thing I have found is that to expand, as well as to make meaningful investments in units, and make them attack rather than idle, so they are not wasted investments that could have been spent on something else. Most battles will turn down to three factors, who expands faster, who makes better investments, and who uses there units most intelligently. Saying this as a 1000 ranked 200 game player
You pretty much captured the variables involved in RTS. :) I'd say, it comes down to what your goal is. If winning is your goal, then you'll likely seek a more intelligent tactic as you stated. But if shenanigans and laughs are more your thing (me), than decisions and habits are a bit off the cuff 😕 But yes, you are correct.
considering that I've teached a couple of players how to play here's the basics, expand and grab all the mass extractors / hydros that you can, on the path of expansion use land scouts/air scout to avoid losing the expanding engineer after the initial build of land factories and maybe air factory switch a big queue to engineers and free commander from queue to use it agressivle after 5 or 6 minutes of game, you should have all you need queued, and you should spend 99% of time managing tanks and commander do this good and you can learn how to reclaim after you get good at this xD
+Edmundo Cunha of course. These are all things that will be mentioned in a more specified video. Bite size information is important. But to those who want to learn more, check out the description. Lots of great material there But yes I agree with everything you meantioned. But I felt it would deter from the message of my video. Which was mainly to think and stay calm. Typically things fall into place for people like that.
after playing supreme commander, i cant play rts games anymore that have the camera glued to the ground. while most of the games are still alright, there are a few that have a insanely low camera and that shit is unplayable.
U can cap T2 mexes easier select engie and just click support option and then click on mex or just right click on mex with selected engie without template
PS: if you are a new player, let me know. I'd like to get some insight into the new player psychology. It's been a few years for me. So, what is obvious to me, may not be for a new player.
My usual approach to early game mass extractors is "outside-in, inside-out". The first order of business is to claim the spots at the halfway seperation line of the map, then rinforce them with T1 point defense and anti-air, then have the engineer fill all open slots back to base. Then from the inside out, I begin building mass storage and start upgrading my first extractors to T2. The defensive turrets at the far edges aren't gonna hold the line against dedivcated assaults, but they should present enough of a deterrence to essentially draw a line in the sand of where I'm (hopefully) not gonna budge. When the fighting starts I can also send bombers and interceptors to furter assist against attacking units. Playing UEF this eventually means blukhead defenses with multiple T2 and T3 point defense/AA turrets and T2 artillery where my defense line meets the enemy alongside shield bubbles and air superioirity over my own territory. If Naval is an option, Battleships and Cruisers to reinforce my shorelines and chip away at the outer edges of the enemy's defenses.
My biggest problem in this game was not knowing when to build the T1 mass extractor to T2 mass extractor, when my economy starts stalling, that's when I usually start losing the game. Does anyone have the answer?
Yep, and they also give a little bit of energy too, unlike most reclaim. So if you have a tree based or green map, reclaiming trees can also means you can get aircraft and air factories up sooner for bomber strikes and harassments very early game.
- If you using temptate to cap T2 MEXes, include to this template T1 MEX as well, it will make capping a lot easier - T1 artillery is good against Aeon´s T1 tank Aurora ( not Aeon T1 artillery, that one is bad against Aurora) - if you wanna see opponent´s eco use "Advance strategic icon" mod , it is on FAF forum forums.faforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=2740&hilit=advance+strategic+icons
+ZeRen cz yes, but these are things new players need not focus on. They primarily need to learn the basics prior than the unit details. Like I mentioned in the video :) Cyb Arty always good ;)
yes, but what I meantioned will help them a lot I used to struggle a lot with this game, but when I got ASI, well my lighter and changed version I actually become better player, so easy to see eco no.... maybe I will do some showcase, my version is just better (personal preference of course)
@@medicraze92 That would be awesome.. during UEF build orders for example other tutorials often mention using engins, reclaiming and tier 1 etc but I usually have a hard time finding a balance especially when upgrading to tier 2.. what should I prioritize. often find myself in a mess let alone Tier 3.. what I find difficult is finding a balance, if I focus engins/reclaim I will get overrun by early units and if I focus units I will struggle with Eco and no engins (or not enough because they always die!).. very hard game to learn but really fun :)
@@ripperoo7086 ya everything you're having a hard time with is dependent on so many variables. here's just a few. 1: How many mexes are on the map. 2: Are they close to your main base? 3: how many are there? 4: what's the size of the map? 5: team game or 1v1? 6: what does the reclaim look like? Lots of trees, rocks, both? there's so many variables that influence how you do things. If there's a lot of mass reclaim, do you prioritize unit production boosted by reclaim or do you boost your mex? well depends on what your opponent is doing? if he's ecoing, do you think you can cripple him fast enough to not be rewarded by the teched mexes? Smaller maps usually mean spam more until you sort of reach an impass. team games usually mean eco, but it depends on the players and current meta. right now i'd say faf culture leans towards mexes. focus on one thing at a time until you get a better feel of the game. If you're stalled on E, pause air, or turn off shields. You mentioned playing UEF, tittans take a chunk of E to run. I've seen players cripple their eco because they forget they have shields. just little things like that. But, i would say zooming out is one of the biggest helpers. helps digest the situation, and i would argue your eco as well. You'll more likely be aware of your edvantage or disadvantage, which will motivate you to adjust your economy accordingly. For example: You out spammed your opponent and are winning, but he's turtled too well with t2 pd. Well, now is a good time to control k some producation, factories, and upgrade you economy and land, or air...whatever. pretty generic answer, but just food for thought. Seriously, the list is vast. you just gotta get a feel for it.
@@medicraze92 Wow really helpful reply man, thanks. I usually do 1v1v1v1 adaptive AI and then spam T1 units.. start with 5 or 7 engins and put idles on reclaim.. zoom out is defo true, I've learned how to manage multi units at different parts using CTRL+Move formation and it has helped a lot, confident in my unit control but as soon as I try T2 even with full map control my echo just dies.. yeah trial and error I guess and depends on to many factors like you said it's just so hard.. then finding the right balance of engins for when you need them as you expand is so difficult! I'd love you to do a FFA 1v1v1v1 vs AI adaptive (perhaps cheating AI if it's too easy for you) as UEF while explaining things slowly as you go.. that would be awesome! Explaining as you tech or reclaim etc, that would be very helpful for me and others I feel.. most tutorials don't have a lot of details for REAL newbs (only have had 2 weeks!).. your tutorials are awesome though, hope to see more cheers :)
@@ripperoo7086 well doing FFA vs AI is a very bad way to learn to be honest. AI, even when cheating don't behave like humans. They follow parameters that can be predictable. This leads to a play style you probably will get stuck in. I would suggest you play "all welcome" or "noob" matches just to experience the variety. To be honest, if you've been playing vs AI, you'll likely be better than a newcomer depending on how much they turtle (new players either spam as much as they can, or turtle...no healthy medium lol). So just give it a go. Also, hit me up on discord or FAF if you see me on there. I dont mind helping out. GLHF
How do I stop myself from being nuked within the first 20-30 minutes? Every. Boody. game. People rush nukes or pull some bs like teleporting an ACU into the middle of my base & 3 shotting my ACU. Im amazing at creating defensive bases with excellent economy. But, I never get a Strategic defense up before I'm being bombarded with nukes. I try to rush em early sometimes but it seems nukes build so much faster, no matter how many T3 engis or SCU's I use to try and speed it up.
Addtionally, now matter if I have 100 air superiority fighters roaming the extension of my base with T3 air defenses galore, why do strategic bombers AlWaYs get through. Sure, got shields but they always power through the defenses.
Well, you could try play other maps? I'm assuming you're a dual gap player? Or astro? I don't mean it in demeaning manner, it's just sounding typical of that sort of game type.
@@medicraze92 Don't play much astro, despite them being servers in abundance. Seton is def. My favourite map. I can hold my own, handle multiple large groups or forces and bases but it always ends in nukes... my "skill rating" has degraded to the point I get auto kicked cos of the nukes every game.
Always here to help. I should probably make an updated video lol But honestly it sounds like a lack of aggression. If you have air, make something else happen. Strat mexes, make atty drops, etc. Disrupt the enemy from ecowhoring and making nukes. You're likely just in a turtle rut. Just change the play style. Make an inexpensive drop as a diversion for something else (like a tele, or strat snipe acu or t3 pgens). It hurts them way more.
I modded the game so my commander builds about 30x faster, produces energy equivalent to 10x L3 reactors, and about 20x L3 mexes. Chalk it up to the cybrans researching advanced tech for superior battle effectiveness.
Another critical tip for new players is to place rally points of factories towards the front lines while factories have looped build cues of offensive oriented units like tanks and bots, which allows the essential and constant pressure on your opponent.
Coming from Starcraft 2, this feels A LOT different, but exciting at the same time! I love that feel you get when you discover something new to master :)
Grow, you shall. Young grasshopper. :)
These are real facts you're spitting. Empirically based facts in fact.
I'm telling you. I never played star craft 2bit loved one, command and conquer series, and total annihilation. Which sup com is the sucessor of
The most important thing I have found is that to expand, as well as to make meaningful investments in units, and make them attack rather than idle, so they are not wasted investments that could have been spent on something else. Most battles will turn down to three factors, who expands faster, who makes better investments, and who uses there units most intelligently. Saying this as a 1000 ranked 200 game player
You pretty much captured the variables involved in RTS. :)
I'd say, it comes down to what your goal is. If winning is your goal, then you'll likely seek a more intelligent tactic as you stated. But if shenanigans and laughs are more your thing (me), than decisions and habits are a bit off the cuff 😕
But yes, you are correct.
considering that I've teached a couple of players how to play here's the basics,
expand and grab all the mass extractors / hydros that you can, on the path of expansion use land scouts/air scout to avoid losing the expanding engineer
after the initial build of land factories and maybe air factory switch a big queue to engineers and free commander from queue to use it agressivle
after 5 or 6 minutes of game, you should have all you need queued, and you should spend 99% of time managing tanks and commander
do this good and you can learn how to reclaim after you get good at this xD
+Edmundo Cunha of course. These are all things that will be mentioned in a more specified video.
Bite size information is important. But to those who want to learn more, check out the description. Lots of great material there
But yes I agree with everything you meantioned. But I felt it would deter from the message of my video. Which was mainly to think and stay calm. Typically things fall into place for people like that.
+Edmundo Cunha i was trying to focus on the why, rather then the how. :)
Hey just wanted to thank you for making this. I finally got FAF a couple of days ago and these tips really helped me
You're very welcome. Let me know if you want another tips video. Toying with the idea of making another.
good general overview!
Just one thing: an engie reclaiming one tree per sec pays back in 50s, not mentioning the 250 power reclaimed ;)
Thanks for making this! Editing looks very professional
You're welcome bud
I like how you were overflowing mass in the video xDDDD
+Noob Modus it was a sandbox game lol most had a para involved. Its just to help new players lol
Lol, good video though
but also, I did it for you. did it for the throwbacks :)
That’s bad to because then mass is getting wasted it’s hard to min max it
after playing supreme commander, i cant play rts games anymore that have the camera glued to the ground. while most of the games are still alright, there are a few that have a insanely low camera and that shit is unplayable.
Dude! I'm literally the same way! I'm so jaded now. Everything feels like crap compared to full zoom
Relatable, give me my map awareness back!!! Haha
Still today...the most fantastic strategy game
I just started playing, and now I see why the computer always wins... damn this game is tricky
VERY informative, I love how you put it
A year late to respond, but I thank you lol
U can cap T2 mexes easier select engie and just click support option and then click on mex or just right click on mex with selected engie without template
I know is it 6 years old…
I can't wait to get this 3rd degree and start gaming again. Lol sounds like a lot has changed
man, you make great content. keep it coming!
+Paul Bryan thanks man
Great video, good advice and top notch production values
+David Iliff thanks man. Trying to bring a more effortful feel to the game.
PS: if you are a new player, let me know. I'd like to get some insight into the new player psychology. It's been a few years for me. So, what is obvious to me, may not be for a new player.
My usual approach to early game mass extractors is "outside-in, inside-out". The first order of business is to claim the spots at the halfway seperation line of the map, then rinforce them with T1 point defense and anti-air, then have the engineer fill all open slots back to base.
Then from the inside out, I begin building mass storage and start upgrading my first extractors to T2. The defensive turrets at the far edges aren't gonna hold the line against dedivcated assaults, but they should present enough of a deterrence to essentially draw a line in the sand of where I'm (hopefully) not gonna budge. When the fighting starts I can also send bombers and interceptors to furter assist against attacking units.
Playing UEF this eventually means blukhead defenses with multiple T2 and T3 point defense/AA turrets and T2 artillery where my defense line meets the enemy alongside shield bubbles and air superioirity over my own territory. If Naval is an option, Battleships and Cruisers to reinforce my shorelines and chip away at the outer edges of the enemy's defenses.
cool
Thank you for these awesome tips!
Not a problem
My biggest problem in this game was not knowing when to build the T1 mass extractor to T2 mass extractor, when my economy starts stalling, that's when I usually start losing the game. Does anyone have the answer?
I might.
Look up my "wtf is eco" tutorial.
Let me know if that helps
Brilliant Video.
Thanks for uploading.
3:19 how did he do that
Template hotkey. Mine is "g"
Medicraze i gotta learn how to use those
@@wedgedmouse5020 they are indeed very helpful
Solid tips
I didnt know trees gave any mass, so I learned something very useful.
Yep, and they also give a little bit of energy too, unlike most reclaim. So if you have a tree based or green map, reclaiming trees can also means you can get aircraft and air factories up sooner for bomber strikes and harassments very early game.
@@pws354_8 I always thought that was all they gave was energy. I think in TA that was the case(could be wrong)
Only just started playing this again recently - super helpful information, P.S, can I get the background tracks please?
A recommendation I have is do the campaign first to learn the controls, and get familiar with the factions.
- If you using temptate to cap T2 MEXes, include to this template T1 MEX as well, it will make capping a lot easier
- T1 artillery is good against Aeon´s T1 tank Aurora ( not Aeon T1 artillery, that one is bad against Aurora)
- if you wanna see opponent´s eco use "Advance strategic icon" mod , it is on FAF forum forums.faforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=2740&hilit=advance+strategic+icons
+ZeRen cz yes, but these are things new players need not focus on. They primarily need to learn the basics prior than the unit details. Like I mentioned in the video :)
Cyb Arty always good ;)
PS. I use strategic Icons actually. People hate looking at it. But it's a must for me.
yes, but what I meantioned will help them a lot
I used to struggle a lot with this game, but when I got ASI, well my lighter and changed version I actually become better player, so easy to see eco no.... maybe I will do some showcase, my version is just better (personal preference of course)
Thank you~
+이동현 I hope it helps.
New player here... What's a mex?
Mass exttactor
0:57 he's name was hirschy
I failed.... Lol
I forgot the name pops up when you hover your mouse on units. Silly me.
Great Video!
great video
This pleases me.
Before watching: this video is for me
Hope it helps
Need so many tutorials.. not enough on youtube for proper noobs.. great game :)
I can make more. What do you need help with most?
@@medicraze92 That would be awesome.. during UEF build orders for example other tutorials often mention using engins, reclaiming and tier 1 etc but I usually have a hard time finding a balance especially when upgrading to tier 2.. what should I prioritize. often find myself in a mess let alone Tier 3.. what I find difficult is finding a balance, if I focus engins/reclaim I will get overrun by early units and if I focus units I will struggle with Eco and no engins (or not enough because they always die!).. very hard game to learn but really fun :)
@@ripperoo7086
ya everything you're having a hard time with is dependent on so many variables.
here's just a few.
1: How many mexes are on the map.
2: Are they close to your main base?
3: how many are there?
4: what's the size of the map?
5: team game or 1v1?
6: what does the reclaim look like? Lots of trees, rocks, both?
there's so many variables that influence how you do things. If there's a lot of mass reclaim, do you prioritize unit production boosted by reclaim or do you boost your mex? well depends on what your opponent is doing? if he's ecoing, do you think you can cripple him fast enough to not be rewarded by the teched mexes?
Smaller maps usually mean spam more until you sort of reach an impass.
team games usually mean eco, but it depends on the players and current meta. right now i'd say faf culture leans towards mexes.
focus on one thing at a time until you get a better feel of the game. If you're stalled on E, pause air, or turn off shields. You mentioned playing UEF, tittans take a chunk of E to run. I've seen players cripple their eco because they forget they have shields. just little things like that.
But, i would say zooming out is one of the biggest helpers. helps digest the situation, and i would argue your eco as well. You'll more likely be aware of your edvantage or disadvantage, which will motivate you to adjust your economy accordingly.
For example: You out spammed your opponent and are winning, but he's turtled too well with t2 pd. Well, now is a good time to control k some producation, factories, and upgrade you economy and land, or air...whatever.
pretty generic answer, but just food for thought. Seriously, the list is vast. you just gotta get a feel for it.
@@medicraze92 Wow really helpful reply man, thanks. I usually do 1v1v1v1 adaptive AI and then spam T1 units.. start with 5 or 7 engins and put idles on reclaim.. zoom out is defo true, I've learned how to manage multi units at different parts using CTRL+Move formation and it has helped a lot, confident in my unit control but as soon as I try T2 even with full map control my echo just dies.. yeah trial and error I guess and depends on to many factors like you said it's just so hard.. then finding the right balance of engins for when you need them as you expand is so difficult! I'd love you to do a FFA 1v1v1v1 vs AI adaptive (perhaps cheating AI if it's too easy for you) as UEF while explaining things slowly as you go.. that would be awesome! Explaining as you tech or reclaim etc, that would be very helpful for me and others I feel.. most tutorials don't have a lot of details for REAL newbs (only have had 2 weeks!).. your tutorials are awesome though, hope to see more cheers :)
@@ripperoo7086 well doing FFA vs AI is a very bad way to learn to be honest. AI, even when cheating don't behave like humans. They follow parameters that can be predictable. This leads to a play style you probably will get stuck in. I would suggest you play "all welcome" or "noob" matches just to experience the variety.
To be honest, if you've been playing vs AI, you'll likely be better than a newcomer depending on how much they turtle (new players either spam as much as they can, or turtle...no healthy medium lol).
So just give it a go.
Also, hit me up on discord or FAF if you see me on there. I dont mind helping out.
GLHF
last music ?
How do I stop myself from being nuked within the first 20-30 minutes? Every. Boody. game. People rush nukes or pull some bs like teleporting an ACU into the middle of my base & 3 shotting my ACU.
Im amazing at creating defensive bases with excellent economy. But, I never get a Strategic defense up before I'm being bombarded with nukes. I try to rush em early sometimes but it seems nukes build so much faster, no matter how many T3 engis or SCU's I use to try and speed it up.
Addtionally, now matter if I have 100 air superiority fighters roaming the extension of my base with T3 air defenses galore, why do strategic bombers AlWaYs get through. Sure, got shields but they always power through the defenses.
Well, you could try play other maps? I'm assuming you're a dual gap player? Or astro? I don't mean it in demeaning manner, it's just sounding typical of that sort of game type.
@@medicraze92 Don't play much astro, despite them being servers in abundance. Seton is def. My favourite map. I can hold my own, handle multiple large groups or forces and bases but it always ends in nukes... my "skill rating" has degraded to the point I get auto kicked cos of the nukes every game.
@@medicraze92 also Kudos for responding on a 2 year old video.
Always here to help. I should probably make an updated video lol
But honestly it sounds like a lack of aggression. If you have air, make something else happen. Strat mexes, make atty drops, etc. Disrupt the enemy from ecowhoring and making nukes. You're likely just in a turtle rut. Just change the play style. Make an inexpensive drop as a diversion for something else (like a tele, or strat snipe acu or t3 pgens). It hurts them way more.
And last tips! Play lots of ladders map!👍👍👍
Play a variety of maps especially.
Some times theres good people.
Not me. 👌
Good video. ++
Song?
Please and thanks
you're going to have to be more specific. Time of the video in mind?
3:45 please
PRO
Debatable
Whats it with this music? Dude, am I watching a guide or a fucking techno festival recap?!
Besides that nice Video :)
found it
+corrado alamanni hope it helps. Like I said. Pm me if you need any help. Always down to help new players. Gl&hf
turn down the music m8 pls
This is really in my amateur video making. Can't change after upload. Hope it helped
I modded the game so my commander builds about 30x faster, produces energy equivalent to 10x L3 reactors, and about 20x L3 mexes. Chalk it up to the cybrans researching advanced tech for superior battle effectiveness.