While you managed to eek out a winner this just shows that it doesnt really matter what you buy. The shitty handle is a huge negative of the Dewalt but apart from that the differences would not be very significant in normal use. Really nice to have so many good tools! Competition drives innovation :)
I say bonus points to Milwaukee for being the only battery system with rubber over molding nobody ever talks about that. Everybody's batteries are plastic and slides around while Milwaukee puts rubber on their batteries and they actually stay in place and don't slide. Actually TTI, because Ryobi and Ridgid have rubber over molding as well
Metabo has nice rubber on their batteries too. I agree. They should all do it. Sometimes you'll get batteries where the bottom is slightly convex, and you can spin the tool
Fun video. Pretty fair tests. I've heard that the Milwaukee non-high output 6ah battery puts out less amperage than the 5, 4, and 3ah. I think you found the same with the Makita 6ah if I'm not mistaken. Not bitching, all these drills are beasts. If you were to take any of these drills back in time 10 years, you'd have been burned at the stake for witchcraft. I think the 6.0 high output would be the battery to use with that drill if you wanted to actually use it for work. A 12ah on that thing is just wrong. Haha! Glad you didn't sustain a wrist injury making this one. Looked like you got luck a couple of times.
Just got the makita only thing ive noticed so far is the arm has up and down play but lock in firm still. So much power compared to drills ive used it the past love it.
Yeah, that was something Cameron! That just happened to me, trying to reverse out a one inch auger that was stuck, and It torqued the devil outta my hand and elbow, and went off the workbench! Never had that happen before, in reverse! The first time it started to do it, should have told me to just walk away, but that was my blunder! Stay safe and Healthy!
I’m no brand cheerleader, I go for who makes the best tool for the job. When it comes corded. Sadly, when budgetary constraints are a thing and you want to stick with one brand, you end up losing out sometimes. I’m a Makita guy for the battery powered stuff, Milwaukee’s quality just isn’t there(I sell a tonne of both and Milwaukee warranties are easily 4 to 1). Love these videos as they make a solid case for augmenting one brand with another.
Don’t bother telling the knuckle dragging Milwaukee chest pounders about the red pile in the repair department you and I are all too familiar with. They won’t listen to reason. My local tool shop has an even worse problem: repairs are usually months out because of the amount of “Ridgid” (AEG) corpses that Home Depot customers bring in.
I’ve had the Milwaukee for ages but just got the Makita XGT. I still prefer the compact Milwaukee complete with compact 3.0ah High Output battery but my new Makita feels a fsr more premium product. Its reserved for the more demanding jobs but I highly recommend both
@@svn5994 Hilti is king of price U must not know about the Large line of Hikoki rotary hammers both cordless and corded-oh yeah and the 36V can do both Also the 36V cordless portable band saw and grinder are also beat in class-cant knock em till u use em brudda
@@svn5994 Obviously you havn't used the Bandsaw cuz you wouldn't have made that statement(it's untrue we have both) and actually there are a lot of us"nobody's" using the AC adapter--go ahead and keep burning up batteries on long applications, we'll get our jobs done faster than you-if you go Hilti you not only have to pay the hefty price tag but you will have to buy a corded and a cordless-go ahead spend your money how U want and we'll spend ours on additional tools
You have to use Batteries designated "High Output" for Kileaukre tools to perform at Maximum potential, most importantly on the Brushless Versions. The batteries will overheat and will deliver less power if not using high output. The stalling is the battery protection.
The Power detect or Flexvolt advantage models (apparently not available where you are) seem to be more powerful in tests I've seen than the Dewalt model you are testing. Although the Dewalt models overall are significantly bulkier than the Makita and Milwaukee models here. Plus the batteries needed for that power also add significant bulk.
My local store had a blow out sale of hikoki tool , aka metabo hpt at 90 % off so I bought a ton of them , the 36 4 am batteries as well for 60 dollars each cdn
I've snapped that housing on the hikoki. Was so shocked to see it. When I sent it away for warranty I was expecting a new drill but instead they replaced the part and i was without a drill for 3 weeks.
I'm deciding between makita 18V (XPH14Z) vs Milwaukee 18V. I'm not in the 40V platform. At some level I know they're both very good, so it doesn't really matter, but it would be good to know.
I would say that switching over to the Milwaukee batteries high output you would compete well with the 40 volt and the 36 volt Metabo hbt because they also use a 21700 cells which are high output same thing with the DeWalt so you don't really necessarily need a 12 amp hour battery just something with the high output battery a three or even a 6.5 hour high output
Except that both the Makita and HiKoki were running 2.5Ah batteries, which are 18650s (and that doesn't matter with Makita, as they limit the max draw on most of their tools). Same for the DeWalt's 6Ah Flexvolt, though that has the benefit of having 15 cells instead of 10. Also, the HO 3.0's output is roughly equivalent to the XC5.0/6.0, so T&S would likely needed to go with the HO 6.0 minimum to get boosted performance.
@@reaperreaper5098 hikoki 36v batteries are 21700 not 18650. The same goes with the Makita 40v the Makita 36 volt which uses the two 18v batteries yes 18650.
@@Therealphantomzero The Hikoki and Makita XGT 4Ah batteries use 21700 cells. The 2.5Ah batteries on the other hand use 18650s. Otherwise, the Hikoki and Makita XGT 2.5Ah batteries could not be the same physical size as the 5Ah LXT batteries. Hell, Tools and Stuff even has videos covering the XGT batteries, and how out of the current offerings, only the 4Ah uses 21700s.
In my experience with longevity I give it to makita and Milwaukee, I've burned out 3 DeWalt I've only seen one makita and one Milwaukee burn out but they were old and tired and mekita doesn't beat me up as much as Milwaukee, although when I got stuck in a hard spot I'll switch from makita to Milwaukee for the shear power.
I moved to DeWalt when brushless was first coming out, it shat all over everyone's Makitas at work (metal roofer). I swear, throughout the years the DeWalt quality has deteriorated. I just burnt out my last DeWalt drill so I just went out and got Milwaukee... So far it feels alot heavier and stronger (battery feels cheap though). We'll see how it goes.
Way to ‘hammer out’ another great video! I know, ha ha but seriously, great stuff! I could buy you a beer for @18:54! Yeah! Use the M18 Fuel Gen 3 drill long enough, and your trigger finger will be numb. And what is it with Milwaukee and their sharp edged plastic parts! Especially where the clamshells come together, below that damn trigger even! 🤨😳😠 The Milwaukee is a beast of a drill, no doubt, but at the end of the day, are your hands sore, and are you looking forward to, or dreading using your drill the next day? This is where Makita usually shines. DeWalt drills have always been favs of mine as well. When DeWalt has their QC on track, their drills are hard to beat. Great video. Cheers Mate and stay safe and Healthy!!! 👍
Hi there! I actually use similar bits on my Milwaukee Drill to that big ass self feed as an electrician for drilling out 3” EMT Pipe and 4/0 SER Wire holes. It has sustained so much abuse from me doing that for 10 hours straight 4 times a week for several weeks that I’d say the mere durability aspect of it is incredible. I will add that a lot of the speed however comes from how new the blades are. These kinda self feed bits die FAST, so if you aren’t replacing them or sharpening them all the time it can slow you down massively.
I luv how u test-u da man However u keep forgetting to give Hikoki a bonus points for being backwards compatible with their 18V tools and the AC adapter option in ALL 36V line
@@kizzjd9578 Doesn't compare? Did you watch de video? It won several of the most important power tests so it actually might be the most powerful drill in this category.
I've used all 4 on site every day and I have to say that the test doesn't show the pull potential of the other ones. Eg mixing concrete with a 150mm mixer. The hikoki wont do it or overheats.
For the battery fairness thing: slapping on the largest most will consider reasonable is fair. Slapping on the biggest, baddest battery available from each brand, also fair. Slapping on the same (or as close as possible) Wh rating, again is fair. Hell, even running a second test with a different battery to show what it's capable of (in the event that relatively similar batteries render it weaker) is still fair and valid. Whereas it wouldn't be fair if you decided to give a boost to one drill with its top dog battery while also deliberately holding the others back by pairing them with significantly worse batteries, ie. pairing a Milwaukee with the 12HO but pairing the DeWalt with a 1.3/1.5Ah.
Even if you put the best battery available on every tool people bitch like crazy because they don't seem to get that that is the most logical thing to do, just like they can't handle if you are comparing 18 volt tool to a 36 volt talk to a 54 volt tool, some people don't understand that those are the tools that are out there so when you are going to shop that is what you were going to compare. Basically on TH-cam you can never win. And Thanks for helping me set people straight on a regular basis.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL No problem, it's a decent way to fill in breaks at work and when I can't fill free time welding or gaming. Plus, I remember when I first got into a few of my hobbies, fanboys pushing bad information to push their brand stiffled early progress.
I'm very surprised with the Metabo hbt/hikoki the buttons for is a really long ones that you put down it cut off just before I think it cut off because of the RFC essentially so you don't have what happened with the DeWalt
For anyone interested, the difference in batteries in the Milwaukee makes a huge!!! Difference. The high output batteries makes the tool work probably 40 percent harder. The xc are crap. Wouldn't have thought but it does .
Anyone notice a problem with 4ah 36v hikoki batteries in the cold? I had 2 give up the ghost in less than a week. Cold is the only adverse condition they went through.
@@jacobcohn546 That's largely because Hilti's platforms are generally much more expensive with an interest in selling/renting to fleets, and outside of a few core staples, most of their tools focus on concrete fastening/work, drywall, and measuring/leveling, with most of the attention going to the more specialist tools.
I don't mind a little extra weight in a tool, if it means better quality. For example, a metal chuck over a plastic chuck and some metal gears over plastic gears, is a bonus in my book, despite the extra weight. Thanks for the review kind Sir. At first I did not notice any beers involved during this review. Then I spotted one on the far left hand side of the frame. Good to see you remain true to form. Nothing like a little quality time in the man cave. 👍🏼🍺
Yeah they do actually. A Makita 18v 5Ah on a rapid charger takes around 45mins, whereas a 40v max 2.5Ah (same amount of cells and watts as the 18v 5Ah) only takes around 28 minutes.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I've only got a Milwaukee high torque 1/2" impact but am considering get a 40v Makita set as I've just started a job in property services/rope access and planning to not have carpal tunnel in my future 🤣 have just watched about 5 of your vids and am also in the only place left in NZ still in lockdown , cheers for the comprehensive videos and fast reply!
Just subscribed this is a great chanel keep it up its 10mins past midnight in south africa and im glued this would be really really helpful for some one whos starting out but like you said in this video it woudnt matter if you just buy your brand i think in most of the videos thats the case this 4 brands are flag ship manufacturers probably best in the world if been doin cabinetry and joinery for like 20years switching from corded bosch and makita to cordless hikoki and its perfectly fine i dont own this one no need for it but if im goin to get it for which ever reason im sure il be happy with what ive just seen never in my life would i change to metabo or hitachi but since hikoki bought the two over i am blown away keep up the great work awesome content a drill driver comparison would be nice maybe 18v. Try doing the tools in the same class every1 has 18v.
From my experience as a carpenter in Sweden, the Makita is very good and comfortable, but usually overheat and break down during harder work. The DeWalt feels powerful, but spends more time at repair than being used. The Hikoki (or old Hitachi) feels pretty slow, but actually seems to get the work done really fast, it's also extreamly longlived, never had any problems exept for an 11 year old rat-tail circular saw, that had to visit the repairshop once. I haven't had much experience with Millwakee tools, so I can't say much about those
I wouldn't. Have had nothing but trouble with makita. 1 power saw, one plane and an angle grinder, all not many hrs on job. Still using my Hitachi/Hikoki 18v drill driver, impact driver and 165mm saw after 5yrs not a problem with any of them. Sticking with Hikoki. P.S. Still using a Hitachi plane I purchased 42 yrs ago, the green monster, can't kill it.
I know this is 3yrs old so there is most likely a better version out now, but I have that Hikoki drill so regarding the chuck, I find the Milwaukee has the better chuck. The Hikoki one feels like a bearing or something internal has worn where-as ive found the Milwaukee has a better mechanical feel, locks better and when I compare it to my colleagues one with same ownership length and same amount of abuse it feels like it lasts longer.
I don't understand why drills have half the torque rating than an impact driver yet they have more power than an impact when driving big batten screws etc. Can anyone explain this?
One thing I will say in my opinion, research as far as today , 1. Makita , 2. Milwaukee 3. Dewalt 4. Hikoki as far as speed but as of tourqe 1. Dewalt 2. Makita 3. Milwaukee and hikoi I can’t give 4 because it did as well as Milwaukee so it’s 3.
wow but DeWalt and Milwaukee add a lot of power but never think about the safety of the operator Diooos, our friend almost had to be hospitalized for a broken wrist
It’s a shame you don’t have the Milwaukee high output 6 or 8 they give same power as the 12. That makita is nice tho might have to start getting some 40v
Um, the 12 puts out more power than both the 6 and 8, simply due to it being a 5S/3P 21700 battery as opposed to 5S/2P. It'll put out roughly 50% more power than the 8.0 since it has 50% more of the same type of cells. The gains are smaller compared to the 6, since that battery uses higher discharge, lower capacity cells, but it's still Milwaukee's top dog.
Hey bro. I'm from Hurricane valley windy Wgtn. Nice info & interesting vids. I'm really keen on the Flex-Tool offerings. But it's a pity there not available here in middle earth. Cheers Cuz. 😎🤙🏾
I would like to see those combi drills with the best battery they produce for them like the 4ah for the makita and hikoki a d the 9ah for dewalt and the 8ah for milwaukee. That 8ah mi5gives some boost results would be different
Impossible. Everyone has a different opinion on what the best batteries are. Most based on 'bigger number equal better' mentality. In my testing the Makita 2.5Ah packs more punch than the 4Ah and the Hikoki seems pretty identical but I haven't broken it down yet.
Maybe do a stess test on these dripps for battery life, tool longevity and also chucks. This is all subjective to a degree, but at my last employer, dewalts had a big issue with burning out the motors, Milwaukee's had an issue with the chucks on the drills or impacts failing prematurely. I went from 2006 to 2017 before my 1st makita crapped out due to worn brushes. So that was when things were still brushed and 3 amp hour batteries were top dogs, well in 2006. Now i know makita chucks have an issue when the bit bites and the loosten off, but thats not really too bad using large holesaws into 6mm steel. Saves your wrist a bit. Im not a fan of the handles, they just do not fit into small places. So my old work supplied me with a 2017 brushless drill/impact makita kit, and it was great. Untill my ute got broken into. So im off the tools now, but bought myself the high end brushless makita kit and a couple other skins. Just for personal use, but a still rate them hard. Maybe do a talking vid on the varios different skins for various different tools on the main popular battery platforms.
I have both the Milwaukee, and Dewalt. They are both great tools. I almost always grab the DeWalt unless I'm working in a tight spot. All of Milwaukee 18v tools have some kind of fail safe built in, and they shut down way, way to much. I hate that part. But the Nail guns, chain saw, and their multi-tool weed eater are much better than DeWalt's.
The only thing Hilti is #1 in is price Metabo HPT/Hikoki also has a lifetime warranty for at least half the price-I can go ahead and spend your wad of cash on Hilti-good tools but not for a business like mine
6Ah batteries using 18650 cells are always a bad choice for performance testing, at least those using a 2P configuration as most 6Ah 18650 packs use. The Dewalt Flexvolt however, uses a 3P design in order to produce its 54/60V output, so it isn’t impaired by using 3Ah 18650 cells. 4Ah/5Ah is better for power because the 2Ah/2.5Ah 18650 cells can deliver more power than 3Ah 18650 cells can, or move to packs using 21700 cells.
@@NameNaameNameeNaamee but nothing broke? The battery was literally saying i cant supply you with anymore amps. Change the battery to 21700 cell 6amp high output and that would change. My gen 3 drill has done a metric fuck tonne more work then any of my previous dewalt or makita had done for me!
Dude vids awesome but you completely left out all metalworkers. Also you didn't just use a higher amp on the milwuakee you used the HO line of batteries so it was the equivalent of running a 12ah flexvolts. They are all close...until you realize the dewalts 2× bulkier yet 2× worse fit and finish than the rest... I say this as someone who owns a DeWalt. Would love to hear about repairability and third party support.
This same Dewalt drill is available as 18v only, flexvolt only, “power detect” (18v and boosted with 21700) and “Flexvolt Advantage” (18v and boosted with Flexvolt). My brain hurts.
And people keep telling me they can't understand Makita making a separate 40v line... this is exactly why. Makita is way less confusing... pick one 18 or 40, easy.
TBF, I'm pretty confused on how DeWalt's lineups are seen as confusing, beyond *Maybe* FlexVolt and FlexVolt Advantage. FA's getting its boost from FV batts and PD getting its boost from the big 20V Max XR batts seems pretty crystal clear to me. Moreso when you consider that unless you're on DeWalt's travesty of a website, you're not going to see both FA and PD at the same retailers. Not to mention that most tests demonstrate that it's the same damn drill, just with different stickers.
people break their wrists with that type of thing happening. yes he wasnt in the ideal stance etc but in building you are not going to be and the handle should protect you
That's the thing, the Milwaukee was paired with a battery it was designed for. The Gen 3 drill came out roughly the same time as the high output batteries, but wasn't designed for them. Only tools designed for HO batteries specifically will have HOs in the kits they come in. All the smalls tools that came out at that time (like this drill) only benefit from the 2P HO batteries by happy accident (or more accurately, Milwaukee's loose approach to power management).
XC6.0 is not a "light duty battery." It was their biggest battery for a long time. It's what goes on circular saws, grinders, and Sawzall. A light duty battery is a 2.0(or the weird XC3.0) You can use those on an impact driver, impact wrench, nailer, or trade specific tool like pipe cutter, drywall screwgun, etc.
Ill try out the XGT 5.0 battery tomorrow on the XGT drill compared to the 4.0 :) see if that makes a difference. The 5.0 XGT is only a little bit smaller then that Milwaukee 12 amp
I've got the Milwaukee showcased here, my boss has the previous generation model that he's had for over 5 years, possibly more than 7 and his is significantly more powerful than mine. If we're doing any auguring and the bit isn't perfectly sharp we always grab his. Don't get me wrong, Milwaukee's gen III is still great and SO compact, but it's a shame that a company that touts their high-performance has taken a step back with this tool.
Would be happy to see some european power there, such as hilty or metaby. But then again, the metabo top hammer drill is probably little bit weaker than that hikoki, being a same company, wich overcomplicated our life for 100% lately. Idk anymore whats the correct name, Metabo/MetaboHPT/Hikoki/Hitachi, are all of those tools, the very same tools with interchangable batteries ?
@@theoprice721 But hikoki is already a premium brand, with great performance. What about hitachi tools, doesnt exist anymore ? I lately realized that european AEG is actually Ridgid in US haha
@@theoprice721 It isn't correct. Metabo it's EU brand doesn't comatible with Hikoki/Hitachi/Metabo-HPT, Metabo-HPT it's a brand ( Hitachi/ Hikoki) for the USA. Hitachi bought Metabo 5 years ago.
@@i1bike Hitachi rebranded their tools into Hikoki and Metabo HPT. Hikoki being a combination of Hitachi and Koki, Hitachi Koki being the name of Hitachi's tool division early on and the parent company now being Koki Holdings. HPT standing for High Power Tools, but Hitachi has a *wink wink nudge nudge* feeling towards people calling HPT 'Hitachi Power Tools'
The Dewalt Its paired with the flexvolt although not flexvolt advantage 999 as mentioned in the video .. they apparently quote it at 95nm for the 996.. when paired with a 5AH 18v.. put a flexvolt battery on any of dewalt tools and youre getting “MORE STEAM!” Their flexvolt advantage tools can offer over 50% extra power.. youd like to think with the battery its like using higher octane “race fuel” and gives it some small powerboost.. although software is involved there is 100% a difference with those flexvolts on their 18v batteries. Cheers for the video!
I nearly choked on my dinner when the dewalt spun out of you're hand 🤣😂that kinda craic can snap you're wrist but the xrp is a monstrosity of a thing. The 2 gear xr is a far better drill
Heaviest drill is the best drill. It is as simple as that. That means the greater use of higher quality materials ( supposedly none of them have titanium internals ) and/or sturdier casing... 1. Hikoki 2. Makita 3. DeWalt 4. Milwaukee
Nice love your videos would you be able to do a durability test on these as say leaving them in the freezer for 24 hours and then running a high performance test and then seeing who fails
►Makita 40v finally available in the US! amzn.to/3tszyAP
13:40- Holy shit. Dewalt, the wristbreaker. Yea, the handles are often overlooked but vital in high torque situations. Great video as always.
Yea the dewalt really strengthens your wrist after awhile
While you managed to eek out a winner this just shows that it doesnt really matter what you buy.
The shitty handle is a huge negative of the Dewalt but apart from that the differences would not be very significant in normal use.
Really nice to have so many good tools! Competition drives innovation :)
I say bonus points to Milwaukee for being the only battery system with rubber over molding nobody ever talks about that. Everybody's batteries are plastic and slides around while Milwaukee puts rubber on their batteries and they actually stay in place and don't slide. Actually TTI, because Ryobi and Ridgid have rubber over molding as well
Ozito has that on their 18v tools as well
Metabo has nice rubber on their batteries too. I agree. They should all do it. Sometimes you'll get batteries where the bottom is slightly convex, and you can spin the tool
Can you test Circular saws against each other
Fun video. Pretty fair tests. I've heard that the Milwaukee non-high output 6ah battery puts out less amperage than the 5, 4, and 3ah. I think you found the same with the Makita 6ah if I'm not mistaken. Not bitching, all these drills are beasts. If you were to take any of these drills back in time 10 years, you'd have been burned at the stake for witchcraft. I think the 6.0 high output would be the battery to use with that drill if you wanted to actually use it for work. A 12ah on that thing is just wrong. Haha! Glad you didn't sustain a wrist injury making this one. Looked like you got luck a couple of times.
Just got the makita only thing ive noticed so far is the arm has up and down play but lock in firm still. So much power compared to drills ive used it the past love it.
That dewalt flying 🤣
Shows how much torque those little shits have these days. Sprained my wrist once.
Yeah, that was something Cameron! That just happened to me, trying to reverse out a one inch auger that was stuck, and It torqued the devil outta my hand and elbow, and went off the workbench! Never had that happen before, in reverse! The first time it started to do it, should have told me to just walk away, but that was my blunder!
Stay safe and Healthy!
13:38 this is the rare angry kiwi bird on display. Often only seen when you slag the all black at a pub during rugby 7s lol
I’m no brand cheerleader, I go for who makes the best tool for the job. When it comes corded. Sadly, when budgetary constraints are a thing and you want to stick with one brand, you end up losing out sometimes. I’m a Makita guy for the battery powered stuff, Milwaukee’s quality just isn’t there(I sell a tonne of both and Milwaukee warranties are easily 4 to 1). Love these videos as they make a solid case for augmenting one brand with another.
Don’t bother telling the knuckle dragging Milwaukee chest pounders about the red pile in the repair department you and I are all too familiar with. They won’t listen to reason. My local tool shop has an even worse problem: repairs are usually months out because of the amount of “Ridgid” (AEG) corpses that Home Depot customers bring in.
@@robertrada4783 I sell these tools and see what comes back for warranty, you aren’t wrong
Agreed
Mate, I totally get you - 50 chargers in the toolbox is annoying as hell (and expensive). Wish they came up with unified battery standards.
@@julianpetkov8320 one of the reasons I started getting into the Makita 40v. I can charge my lxt batteries on my xgt charger(there’s an adapter).
I’ve had the Milwaukee for ages but just got the Makita XGT. I still prefer the compact Milwaukee complete with compact 3.0ah High Output battery but my new Makita feels a fsr more premium product. Its reserved for the more demanding jobs but I highly recommend both
Please, please, please. Do comparison of recip saws and rotary hammers (Biggest SDS+ and a SDS Max)
Hikoki will.shine again with those two tools-Ive got real world.experience.with them
@@svn5994 Hilti is king of price
U must not know about the Large line of Hikoki rotary hammers both cordless and corded-oh yeah and the 36V can do both
Also the 36V cordless portable band saw and grinder are also beat in class-cant knock em till u use em brudda
@@svn5994 Obviously you havn't used the Bandsaw cuz you wouldn't have made that statement(it's untrue we have both) and actually there are a lot of us"nobody's" using the AC adapter--go ahead and keep burning up batteries on long applications, we'll get our jobs done faster than you-if you go Hilti you not only have to pay the hefty price tag but you will have to buy a corded and a cordless-go ahead spend your money how U want and we'll spend ours on additional tools
You have to use Batteries designated "High Output" for Kileaukre tools to perform at Maximum potential, most importantly on the Brushless Versions. The batteries will overheat and will deliver less power if not using high output. The stalling is the battery protection.
But that drill is sold with the 5.0 so that seems fair
The Power detect or Flexvolt advantage models (apparently not available where you are) seem to be more powerful in tests I've seen than the Dewalt model you are testing. Although the Dewalt models overall are significantly bulkier than the Makita and Milwaukee models here. Plus the batteries needed for that power also add significant bulk.
I think it's their tougher wood.
North American pine is like butter, frankly.
@@ToolHombre Not comparing different wood if course, but in equivalent testing. They are supposed to be a step up in power to this model.
Bruh at 13:55 that Milwaukee battery was doing the same lights display as the lights and sirens panel in our fire truck!
Would love to know what you thought on the chucks sounds like they all have quirks
My local store had a blow out sale of hikoki tool , aka metabo hpt at 90 % off so I bought a ton of them , the 36 4 am batteries as well for 60 dollars each cdn
Would love to see an sds comparison for the 40v and the 54v as not sure which to buy
I've snapped that housing on the hikoki. Was so shocked to see it. When I sent it away for warranty I was expecting a new drill but instead they replaced the part and i was without a drill for 3 weeks.
Break the housing in high load or light duty?
I'm deciding between makita 18V (XPH14Z) vs Milwaukee 18V. I'm not in the 40V platform. At some level I know they're both very good, so it doesn't really matter, but it would be good to know.
I would say that switching over to the Milwaukee batteries high output you would compete well with the 40 volt and the 36 volt Metabo hbt because they also use a 21700 cells which are high output same thing with the DeWalt so you don't really necessarily need a 12 amp hour battery just something with the high output battery a three or even a 6.5 hour high output
Except that both the Makita and HiKoki were running 2.5Ah batteries, which are 18650s (and that doesn't matter with Makita, as they limit the max draw on most of their tools). Same for the DeWalt's 6Ah Flexvolt, though that has the benefit of having 15 cells instead of 10.
Also, the HO 3.0's output is roughly equivalent to the XC5.0/6.0, so T&S would likely needed to go with the HO 6.0 minimum to get boosted performance.
@@reaperreaper5098 hikoki 36v batteries are 21700 not 18650. The same goes with the Makita 40v the Makita 36 volt which uses the two 18v batteries yes 18650.
@@Therealphantomzero The Hikoki and Makita XGT 4Ah batteries use 21700 cells. The 2.5Ah batteries on the other hand use 18650s.
Otherwise, the Hikoki and Makita XGT 2.5Ah batteries could not be the same physical size as the 5Ah LXT batteries.
Hell, Tools and Stuff even has videos covering the XGT batteries, and how out of the current offerings, only the 4Ah uses 21700s.
@@reaperreaper5098 ah the smaller battery yeah forgot that one uses 18650
The 2, 2.5 and 5Ah all use 18650s. The 4 and new 8Ah use 21700.
In my experience with longevity I give it to makita and Milwaukee, I've burned out 3 DeWalt I've only seen one makita and one Milwaukee burn out but they were old and tired and mekita doesn't beat me up as much as Milwaukee, although when I got stuck in a hard spot I'll switch from makita to Milwaukee for the shear power.
alot of people complain about their dewalts burning up. i agree with you, love my makitas due to comfort and longevity but the red team has more power
I moved to DeWalt when brushless was first coming out, it shat all over everyone's Makitas at work (metal roofer). I swear, throughout the years the DeWalt quality has deteriorated. I just burnt out my last DeWalt drill so I just went out and got Milwaukee... So far it feels alot heavier and stronger (battery feels cheap though). We'll see how it goes.
Way to ‘hammer out’ another great video! I know, ha ha but seriously, great stuff! I could buy you a beer for @18:54! Yeah! Use the M18 Fuel Gen 3 drill long enough, and your trigger finger will be numb. And what is it with Milwaukee and their sharp edged plastic parts! Especially where the clamshells come together, below that damn trigger even! 🤨😳😠 The Milwaukee is a beast of a drill, no doubt, but at the end of the day, are your hands sore, and are you looking forward to, or dreading using your drill the next day? This is where Makita usually shines. DeWalt drills have always been favs of mine as well. When DeWalt has their QC on track, their drills are hard to beat. Great video. Cheers Mate and stay safe and Healthy!!! 👍
i love picking up my makitas
@@connahjones8178 👍👍👍😁✌🏻
The 18V has been out for 5+ yrs and kicked every other one until M18 fuel came out-still a great drill
2:40 “the most power” kiwi Clarkeson channeling there.
“Click in that 40v max battery and you will nursing a semi” be the next thing lol
Hi there! I actually use similar bits on my Milwaukee Drill to that big ass self feed as an electrician for drilling out 3” EMT Pipe and 4/0 SER Wire holes. It has sustained so much abuse from me doing that for 10 hours straight 4 times a week for several weeks that I’d say the mere durability aspect of it is incredible. I will add that a lot of the speed however comes from how new the blades are. These kinda self feed bits die FAST, so if you aren’t replacing them or sharpening them all the time it can slow you down massively.
I luv how u test-u da man
However u keep forgetting to give Hikoki a bonus points for being backwards compatible with their 18V tools and the AC adapter option in ALL 36V line
Cuz it sucks
@@kizzjd9578 Doesn't compare? Did you watch de video? It won several of the most important power tests so it actually might be the most powerful drill in this category.
I've used all 4 on site every day and I have to say that the test doesn't show the pull potential of the other ones. Eg mixing concrete with a 150mm mixer. The hikoki wont do it or overheats.
The Hikoki is 36v
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL my bad, I thought you said it was the 18v model for some reason lol.
Great video, have you considered getting into the Hilti platform? Would be pretty cool to see how some of their big cordless drills stack up.
Hilti is not good
Fuck hilti
Hilti isn’t really interested in selling their tools, but in leasing/renting them. Different target market.
@@A10goBRRRRTT Hilti is the most durable brand you can buy. All these drills are great, but Hilti is next level.
For the battery fairness thing: slapping on the largest most will consider reasonable is fair. Slapping on the biggest, baddest battery available from each brand, also fair. Slapping on the same (or as close as possible) Wh rating, again is fair. Hell, even running a second test with a different battery to show what it's capable of (in the event that relatively similar batteries render it weaker) is still fair and valid.
Whereas it wouldn't be fair if you decided to give a boost to one drill with its top dog battery while also deliberately holding the others back by pairing them with significantly worse batteries, ie. pairing a Milwaukee with the 12HO but pairing the DeWalt with a 1.3/1.5Ah.
Even if you put the best battery available on every tool people bitch like crazy because they don't seem to get that that is the most logical thing to do, just like they can't handle if you are comparing 18 volt tool to a 36 volt talk to a 54 volt tool, some people don't understand that those are the tools that are out there so when you are going to shop that is what you were going to compare. Basically on TH-cam you can never win. And Thanks for helping me set people straight on a regular basis.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL No problem, it's a decent way to fill in breaks at work and when I can't fill free time welding or gaming.
Plus, I remember when I first got into a few of my hobbies, fanboys pushing bad information to push their brand stiffled early progress.
Lol, "and that's why you need a fuckin' longer handle."
Oh dewalt.
Ya they fixed that last year. Dcd996s are now found on the discount bin.
DCD998 & DCD999
I'm very surprised with the Metabo hbt/hikoki the buttons for is a really long ones that you put down it cut off just before I think it cut off because of the RFC essentially so you don't have what happened with the DeWalt
I know what you mean about the Hikoki sound. The sound makes it seem like it's slowing down more than it is.
try using the hikoki DV36DC with 155NM torque
Do you understand the passage of time.
For anyone interested, the difference in batteries in the Milwaukee makes a huge!!! Difference. The high output batteries makes the tool work probably 40 percent harder. The xc are crap. Wouldn't have thought but it does .
Love the Gen 3 Fuel. It's smaller than most 12v drills (I'm looking at you, Skil) and a great all-rounder.
Looks like a pint of beer on your desk. Having fun at work
Good work mate.....from Sydney
Anyone notice a problem with 4ah 36v hikoki batteries in the cold? I had 2 give up the ghost in less than a week. Cold is the only adverse condition they went through.
Would be interested to see the most powerful hilti drill (sf10w a22 I believe) used that for ages and been amazed by the power of it.
@@morganspencer-churchill2136 Oh wow! Cool to hear someone try that, the big hilti is so underrepresented haha
@@jacobcohn546 That's largely because Hilti's platforms are generally much more expensive with an interest in selling/renting to fleets, and outside of a few core staples, most of their tools focus on concrete fastening/work, drywall, and measuring/leveling, with most of the attention going to the more specialist tools.
13:30 :14:30 lollllll
i really laughed !
nice comparisons there brother!
I don't mind a little extra weight in a tool, if it means better quality. For example, a metal chuck over a plastic chuck and some metal gears over plastic gears, is a bonus in my book, despite the extra weight. Thanks for the review kind Sir. At first I did not notice any beers involved during this review. Then I spotted one on the far left hand side of the frame. Good to see you remain true to form. Nothing like a little quality time in the man cave. 👍🏼🍺
Hey mate do the 36/40/54v batteries charge much faster and in practise does it count for anything?
Yeah they do actually. A Makita 18v 5Ah on a rapid charger takes around 45mins, whereas a 40v max 2.5Ah (same amount of cells and watts as the 18v 5Ah) only takes around 28 minutes.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I've only got a Milwaukee high torque 1/2" impact but am considering get a 40v Makita set as I've just started a job in property services/rope access and planning to not have carpal tunnel in my future 🤣 have just watched about 5 of your vids and am also in the only place left in NZ still in lockdown , cheers for the comprehensive videos and fast reply!
Just subscribed this is a great chanel keep it up its 10mins past midnight in south africa and im glued this would be really really helpful for some one whos starting out but like you said in this video it woudnt matter if you just buy your brand i think in most of the videos thats the case this 4 brands are flag ship manufacturers probably best in the world if been doin cabinetry and joinery for like 20years switching from corded bosch and makita to cordless hikoki and its perfectly fine i dont own this one no need for it but if im goin to get it for which ever reason im sure il be happy with what ive just seen never in my life would i change to metabo or hitachi but since hikoki bought the two over i am blown away keep up the great work awesome content a drill driver comparison would be nice maybe 18v. Try doing the tools in the same class every1 has 18v.
From my experience as a carpenter in Sweden, the Makita is very good and comfortable, but usually overheat and break down during harder work. The DeWalt feels powerful, but spends more time at repair than being used. The Hikoki (or old Hitachi) feels pretty slow, but actually seems to get the work done really fast, it's also extreamly longlived, never had any problems exept for an 11 year old rat-tail circular saw, that had to visit the repairshop once. I haven't had much experience with Millwakee tools, so I can't say much about those
I haven’t watched yet, but I’m going to say Dewalt probably will do this test without any problems! Let’s find out!
Thank you for the video!
excellent review
I am starting to wonder why I should upgrade to 40v XGT when I have Hikoki
I wouldn't. Have had nothing but trouble with makita. 1 power saw, one plane and an angle grinder, all not many hrs on job. Still using my Hitachi/Hikoki 18v drill driver, impact driver and 165mm saw after 5yrs not a problem with any of them. Sticking with Hikoki. P.S. Still using a Hitachi plane I purchased 42 yrs ago, the green monster, can't kill it.
I know this is 3yrs old so there is most likely a better version out now, but I have that Hikoki drill so regarding the chuck, I find the Milwaukee has the better chuck. The Hikoki one feels like a bearing or something internal has worn where-as ive found the Milwaukee has a better mechanical feel, locks better and when I compare it to my colleagues one with same ownership length and same amount of abuse it feels like it lasts longer.
Dewalt : that's why you need a Fuckin longer handle 😂
Milwaukee with a longer handle still went flying 😂
The Milwaukee handle isn't much longer.
I don't understand why drills have half the torque rating than an impact driver yet they have more power than an impact when driving big batten screws etc. Can anyone explain this?
Because they don’t impact they drill
@@Apinp18 doesn't mean anything
@@kizzjd9578 a drill doesn’t impact so there’s no time lost .
@@svn5994 what
nice video keep up the great work
One thing I will say in my opinion, research as far as today , 1. Makita , 2. Milwaukee 3. Dewalt 4. Hikoki as far as speed but as of tourqe 1. Dewalt 2. Makita 3. Milwaukee and hikoi I can’t give 4 because it did as well as Milwaukee so it’s 3.
Maybe a test of the electronic clutches for Makita and Dewalt.
wow but DeWalt and Milwaukee add a lot of power but never think about the safety of the operator Diooos, our friend almost had to be hospitalized for a broken wrist
Opinions on bosch? They seem slick but aren't really popular in NZ
Great test, should have at least gave the Milwaukee a high output battery lol
It’s a shame you don’t have the Milwaukee high output 6 or 8 they give same power as the 12. That makita is nice tho might have to start getting some 40v
Um, the 12 puts out more power than both the 6 and 8, simply due to it being a 5S/3P 21700 battery as opposed to 5S/2P. It'll put out roughly 50% more power than the 8.0 since it has 50% more of the same type of cells. The gains are smaller compared to the 6, since that battery uses higher discharge, lower capacity cells, but it's still Milwaukee's top dog.
Awesome video mate! 🤙🏼🔥
Hey bro. I'm from Hurricane valley windy Wgtn. Nice info & interesting vids. I'm really keen on the Flex-Tool offerings. But it's a pity there not available here in middle earth. Cheers Cuz. 😎🤙🏾
Wgnt?
Beautiful Wellington city. The capital of New Zealand. 😊🤙🏾
Ouch! ...and that was the dating wrist, too. 😬
I would like to see those combi drills with the best battery they produce for them like the 4ah for the makita and hikoki a d the 9ah for dewalt and the 8ah for milwaukee. That 8ah mi5gives some boost results would be different
Impossible. Everyone has a different opinion on what the best batteries are. Most based on 'bigger number equal better' mentality. In my testing the Makita 2.5Ah packs more punch than the 4Ah and the Hikoki seems pretty identical but I haven't broken it down yet.
Think ime still going to buy the 40v i have milwaukee but need another drill and impact for when my milwaukee go in for regular repair
What about reveiw on 40v makita 18g brad nailer
Maybe do a stess test on these dripps for battery life, tool longevity and also chucks. This is all subjective to a degree, but at my last employer, dewalts had a big issue with burning out the motors, Milwaukee's had an issue with the chucks on the drills or impacts failing prematurely. I went from 2006 to 2017 before my 1st makita crapped out due to worn brushes. So that was when things were still brushed and 3 amp hour batteries were top dogs, well in 2006. Now i know makita chucks have an issue when the bit bites and the loosten off, but thats not really too bad using large holesaws into 6mm steel. Saves your wrist a bit. Im not a fan of the handles, they just do not fit into small places. So my old work supplied me with a 2017 brushless drill/impact makita kit, and it was great. Untill my ute got broken into. So im off the tools now, but bought myself the high end brushless makita kit and a couple other skins. Just for personal use, but a still rate them hard. Maybe do a talking vid on the varios different skins for various different tools on the main popular battery platforms.
Hi great video the Dewalt 996 max torque is 95nm thanks
I saw that figure but it must be wrong. It has much more than that.
Maybe that's why it has 3 speeds?
milwaukee miiiightve needed the 6ah high output
but suuuuper suprising from hikoki
Was the 12ah not enough?
@@kizzjd9578 different cells alot more power than the 5ah with waaay less weight than the 12
@@spedracer55 does the 6ah use 21700?
@@kizzjd9578 the high output batteries do
It's a cryin' shame you couldn't get the dcd998 or 999 at the time. Either one probably would have turned the results upside down.
I waiting for my hikoki dv36da drill right now..god damn so slower delivery by DhL..damn
you gotta use the xr battery for dewalt
No Bosch where you reside?
There is, but I have to draw the line somewhere, I'm not made of money.
I have both the Milwaukee, and Dewalt. They are both great tools. I almost always grab the DeWalt unless I'm working in a tight spot.
All of Milwaukee 18v tools have some kind of fail safe built in, and they shut down way, way to much. I hate that part. But the Nail guns, chain saw, and their multi-tool weed eater are much better than DeWalt's.
Great video. Not criticising but at 11:18 It was the Dewalt that failed and took 3 goes to drive all the way, Milwaukee was a one shot.
I love science.
thank you Sir.
Wonder how the Makita will perform with the new 2ah and 5ah
Is there a new 2ah 40vmax?
@@kizzjd9578 They released them in Japan
I should have the 2 and 5Ahs soon...
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL are the 2ah 21700 cells
I have got the 2 Ah a month or so ago by registering my 40v tools. They are compact and pretty light and got a good duration of use
The only thing Hilti is #1 in is price
Metabo HPT/Hikoki also has a lifetime warranty for at least half the price-I can go ahead and spend your wad of cash on Hilti-good tools but not for a business like mine
Why are Milwaukee batteries so shitty? I've had that same alarm thing go off on brand new batteries multiple times
6Ah batteries using 18650 cells are always a bad choice for performance testing, at least those using a 2P configuration as most 6Ah 18650 packs use. The Dewalt Flexvolt however, uses a 3P design in order to produce its 54/60V output, so it isn’t impaired by using 3Ah 18650 cells. 4Ah/5Ah is better for power because the 2Ah/2.5Ah 18650 cells can deliver more power than 3Ah 18650 cells can, or move to packs using 21700 cells.
good work you should do a 165mm circ saw one
I love my Hikoki Forever
Milwaukee has to give up one point for completely crapping out after the overload and taking forever to work again.
it's better to wait 1min to return battery from safety cut out system than spend 100$ for next battery...
@@Grabarz23 It's better to engineer a tool so it doesn't break when you use it ;) Something Milwaukee is struggling with for far too long now.
@@NameNaameNameeNaamee but nothing broke? The battery was literally saying i cant supply you with anymore amps. Change the battery to 21700 cell 6amp high output and that would change. My gen 3 drill has done a metric fuck tonne more work then any of my previous dewalt or makita had done for me!
Why bosch is not were?
Another great video dude👌. Makita all day.
Dude vids awesome but you completely left out all metalworkers.
Also you didn't just use a higher amp on the milwuakee you used the HO line of batteries so it was the equivalent of running a 12ah flexvolts.
They are all close...until you realize the dewalts 2× bulkier yet 2× worse fit and finish than the rest...
I say this as someone who owns a DeWalt.
Would love to hear about repairability and third party support.
13:36 Dammmnnn 🙄 thats scared me.. i know these are powerfull n speedy drill, but ill stick to impact screwdriver instead 🙄
Can we see a top cordless pluss battle from those makes
This same Dewalt drill is available as 18v only, flexvolt only, “power detect” (18v and boosted with 21700) and “Flexvolt Advantage” (18v and boosted with Flexvolt). My brain hurts.
And people keep telling me they can't understand Makita making a separate 40v line... this is exactly why. Makita is way less confusing... pick one 18 or 40, easy.
TBF, I'm pretty confused on how DeWalt's lineups are seen as confusing, beyond *Maybe* FlexVolt and FlexVolt Advantage. FA's getting its boost from FV batts and PD getting its boost from the big 20V Max XR batts seems pretty crystal clear to me. Moreso when you consider that unless you're on DeWalt's travesty of a website, you're not going to see both FA and PD at the same retailers.
Not to mention that most tests demonstrate that it's the same damn drill, just with different stickers.
You should have used the 40v max 4 ah battery to make it a little more fair
"and that's why you need a f*cking longer handle" true story
people break their wrists with that type of thing happening. yes he wasnt in the ideal stance etc but in building you are not going to be and the handle should protect you
Be nice if the Milwaukee was paired with a battery it was designed for.. the xc is a light duty battery, sorta surprised it did as good as it did..
That's the thing, the Milwaukee was paired with a battery it was designed for. The Gen 3 drill came out roughly the same time as the high output batteries, but wasn't designed for them. Only tools designed for HO batteries specifically will have HOs in the kits they come in. All the smalls tools that came out at that time (like this drill) only benefit from the 2P HO batteries by happy accident (or more accurately, Milwaukee's loose approach to power management).
XC6.0 is not a "light duty battery." It was their biggest battery for a long time. It's what goes on circular saws, grinders, and Sawzall.
A light duty battery is a 2.0(or the weird XC3.0) You can use those on an impact driver, impact wrench, nailer, or trade specific tool like pipe cutter, drywall screwgun, etc.
Ill try out the XGT 5.0 battery tomorrow on the XGT drill compared to the 4.0 :) see if that makes a difference. The 5.0 XGT is only a little bit smaller then that Milwaukee 12 amp
Whered you get it?
@@kizzjd9578 I work at a hardware store in Belgium :) the 5 amps XGT came in beginning of these week :)
@@dominicvanlievenoogen6407 awesome, i did a google search and I couldnt find anything about them.
@@kizzjd9578 there's a lot of things we get early in Belgium :)
@@kizzjd9578 picture of all the XGT batteries and a Milwaukee 12 amp for size. ibb.co/whT8k7r
Should have used the high output battery on the Milwaukee, seeing as that's what most of the others seemed to be running.
I've got the Milwaukee showcased here, my boss has the previous generation model that he's had for over 5 years, possibly more than 7 and his is significantly more powerful than mine. If we're doing any auguring and the bit isn't perfectly sharp we always grab his.
Don't get me wrong, Milwaukee's gen III is still great and SO compact, but it's a shame that a company that touts their high-performance has taken a step back with this tool.
Would be happy to see some european power there, such as hilty or metaby. But then again, the metabo top hammer drill is probably little bit weaker than that hikoki, being a same company, wich overcomplicated our life for 100% lately. Idk anymore whats the correct name, Metabo/MetaboHPT/Hikoki/Hitachi, are all of those tools, the very same tools with interchangable batteries ?
Metabo is a better more premium version of hikoki. Metabo hpt is what the yanks have instead of hikoki
@@theoprice721
But hikoki is already a premium brand, with great performance. What about hitachi tools, doesnt exist anymore ?
I lately realized that european AEG is actually Ridgid in US haha
@@svn5994
Such complications. Makita seasoned it with different names for NA aswell.
@@theoprice721 It isn't correct. Metabo it's EU brand doesn't comatible with Hikoki/Hitachi/Metabo-HPT, Metabo-HPT it's a brand ( Hitachi/ Hikoki) for the USA. Hitachi bought Metabo 5 years ago.
@@i1bike Hitachi rebranded their tools into Hikoki and Metabo HPT.
Hikoki being a combination of Hitachi and Koki, Hitachi Koki being the name of Hitachi's tool division early on and the parent company now being Koki Holdings.
HPT standing for High Power Tools, but Hitachi has a *wink wink nudge nudge* feeling towards people calling HPT 'Hitachi Power Tools'
The Dewalt Its paired with the flexvolt although not flexvolt advantage 999 as mentioned in the video .. they apparently quote it at 95nm for the 996.. when paired with a 5AH 18v.. put a flexvolt battery on any of dewalt tools and youre getting “MORE STEAM!” Their flexvolt advantage tools can offer over 50% extra power.. youd like to think with the battery its like using higher octane “race fuel” and gives it some small powerboost.. although software is involved there is 100% a difference with those flexvolts on their 18v batteries. Cheers for the video!
Another bunch of tools that will all do what you need, fucking love modern cordless gear.
Is that a 5.0
I nearly choked on my dinner when the dewalt spun out of you're hand 🤣😂that kinda craic can snap you're wrist but the xrp is a monstrosity of a thing. The 2 gear xr is a far better drill
Otira Gorge??
Yes
Hikoki is strongest but always getting dissed. Underestimated tools
Heaviest drill is the best drill. It is as simple as that. That means the greater use of higher quality materials ( supposedly none of them have titanium internals ) and/or sturdier casing... 1. Hikoki 2. Makita 3. DeWalt 4. Milwaukee
Spoken like a true luddite.
Nice love your videos would you be able to do a durability test on these as say leaving them in the freezer for 24 hours and then running a high performance test and then seeing who fails
I love the swearing about the de walt