Best Circular Saw? Milwaukee 18v VS HiKoki 36v VS Makita 40v VS DeWalt 54v Circular Saw Showdown!
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- 4 different Circ saws go head to head in this one. Ripping, cross cuts, depth, bevels, it's all here. Which saw is the best? Dewalt vs Hikoki (Metabo HPT) vs Makita vs Milwaukee
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My preference is the older format as i feel like we are friends talking and you are just spouting knowledge and i am sitting there with a glazed look dumbfounded at how you could afford all of those...
@Tools & Stuff. Thanks for the great testing and review. I like the style. You got alot of test info for 4 circ saws into a 13 minute video that is easy to see and understand. Lots of hard work on your part to make that happen. Definite thumbs up. I'm also surprised that Milwaukee didn't make number 2. But even then, all the saws did what they're supposed to do without bogging down or quitting. So it's just going to be what features (rafter hook, easier to see and understand gauges) and maybe battery platform we're on.
Hope you and your family stay safe and well.
Both styles are great, really love the in depth reviews and comparisons but this new format had plenty of info and love the onscreen information, keep up the great work!!!
All good on the style. Just keep the comments, your remarks, experiences in. That's all I need. 😁👍
I’m surprised at the results of the Dewalt. I’m in the states so I have the 60 v model. The motor is very smooth and cuts perfectly cross or rip. No problem with the arbor either ( as stated). The guard moves smoothly even on bevel cuts. The Milwaukee is terrible ergonomically especially when in awkward positions like cutting rafter tails top down. Also has a terrible line of sight. Marital always had a good corded saw so not surprised they made a good cordless as well.
ive got the 165mm 36v hikoki, great saw use it all the time for ripping 50mm material, has a deeper depth of cut than the 184mm too. would be interesting to see if there much of a power difference between them. with a new blade the 165mm saw seems to power through anything. also can change the front handle on the hikoki for a rafter hook works quite well
I prefer the the longer format video, but this video was still excellent, thanks.
Noted!
90% of my tools are makita but I just bought the 2nd gen flexvolt skilly with a charger and 9amp battery cause it was nearly half the price of the new 40v makita kit and its alot more powerful. As you say its not as much of a precision instrument but I have the 165 makita for fiddly precision cuts. Get your hands on the 2nd gen if you can, it's a beast!
How can you tell if it is 2nd Gen?
@@scottandchels6813 the 2nd gen I'd model no DCS578, the one tested here is a 1st en DCS575, also the 578 comes in a kit with a 9amp battery so to make it a fair test the newest makita should really be put against the newest dewalt in its standard configuration, with the 9 amp battery.
@@154james thanks
I work on large hotels with many different crews. We switched to DeWalt because that monster made our Makitas look like toys.
I prefer the previous style of video. From the comments that's a split decision like the tools themselves. I don't favour one brand I have all sorts as a full time Carpenter. Power to do the job and ergonomics are my main two criteria. Crappy electronics on most modern tools gets me. Whatever brand they break every five minutes and in my area getting tools repaired a joke. Never remember to do all the register your tool nonsense for warranty and if it does go in for repair you wait so long you have to buy something else to keep going. If a brand came out that went back old school with no fragile electronic crap I would only have that brand. My old power tools some nearly 40 years old still work. Anything I have bought in the last ten years has died within two. Some in months. And this is called improvement.
Wow, didn't expect the Hikoki to come in last, but your tests were solid and the results are what they are!
I love that internationally, companies can't get away with the "Max" voltage marketing crap that they do here in the U.S. Plenty of people think "20V Max" tools are better than 18V, or in the case of DeWalt, probably someone out there thinks 60V is better than 54V 🤣
@@galvanizedgnome You obviously don't have a clue what he was talking about. In his example DeWalt markets the same 54 volt tools in Australia as 60 volt in the U.S to try and make their tools look more powerful. It's all about the peak vs nominal voltage of the various battery types.
I think green bike may have been making a joke.
@@Dale37 When you get to know Green Bike, you'll learn to appreciate his (her?) dry humor 🤣
Appreciate seems an interesting term to use...
I have found that you can push the Hikoki (Metabo HPT) saw much more than the sound of the saw would suggest. I have pushed my saw quite hard and it has never let me down. Just used mine at work for ripping full 2” x 16’ wet hemlock boards the other day, and it powered through with NO problems whatsoever! I would have to disagree with the video creator here on his opinion that it is underpowered. Sure, it might not be “quite” on par with the others, but it will still outrun a corded saw, which is plenty of power for me. And yes, I rely on this saw day in and day out in my construction business. Good video, I just had to liberate the Hikoki a little bit there. 😁
Cool video, I like the short video!
I found the "raining" letter editing to be over the top and distracting however.
Other people might disagree, just offering an opinion :
Noted!
I mean, I do like hearing your voice, and it's nice to get the running commentary. But having the videos of all the actual tests just run along with text and music, and getting the comments towards the end worked fine as well.
Love these videos btw, even though I'm already in Makitas grip. (because, honestly, it would take a whole new generation of another brand being a LOT better for a non-professional like me to even consider changing)
Good comparison. I've got the Milwaukee CCS66 Fuel which is a downgrade in power compared to the one in the video but looks the same.
Nice editing/music-upping your game
I have the Milwaukee, Hikoki and two of the 36V(18x2) Makita for jobsites
The Milwaukee is great for ripping, as is the Makita with the mMkita being a bit more heavy but accurate
For sheet goods we use the Hikoki as it is plenty powerful and accurate for that and it's weight helps make it more wieldy- it's also the choice when we are using it for overhead cuts and other cuts where the lighter weight helps-I have run the Dewalt one if our sub contractors use and it's ok but it is not as accurate and is heavy
Makita 36V(18x2) is the left hand rear handle not the right hand fyi
I like the test overlays more then the stop watch or personal opinion that most other videos have from various channels.
I like this style a lot! Seems more succinct, which is good in my books!
It's good to see you're evolving with your video style. Ideally, I'd like to see a mix of both styles. And you're right on about the rough feeling of the Dewalt, but I have never lost the onboard tool because it is a flat wrench that is stored pretty snugly. And here in the states, they come with rafter hooks.
I have the milwaukee, a beast with the 12 amp hour battery
Thanks once again for another nice review. I like the new format ,Keep it short , I find it more effective less time consuming and still informative enough.
If possible i would like also to have comparsion vs the bosch gks 18v- 68 g and if there is any difference once comparing it to the new makita hs004gz.
I’ve spotted the Makita power back pack. Can you test/review that when available.
The M18 is rugged and powerful, but I always feel like I'm having to push it forward. I miss corded saws where you just gently keep in a straight line and nudge it along.
beauty shots and editing mae. solid review for all the tools
Cheers
I can find a place where I can use the Hikoki. It was pretty cheap when I got it as it came with the battery and charger. I can rip plexiglass with the 2200 RPM, but I heard it ramps up to 4300 when it needs more power to cut
Was the Hikoki with 2.5 or 4 amps battery in this test ?
I used these on-site framing the dewalt has better runtime and power compared to the makita, might be because that's the gen 1 of the dewalt, great vid by the way, can't wait to see the makita 10 1/4 rear handle
I have the Dewalt and Makita bl 36v and I prefer the Dewalt
I've been waiting for this tool off for along time. You nailed it bro. 👏 surprised dewalt didn't do better. But glad makita came out of top!!
My dewalt has the rafter hook on it and the depth gage is on the outside. Being in the states it must be a little different
Milwaukee seem to be good at getting the most out of their 12v and 18v.. I'm surprised how well it did in rip cut
i have that Milwaukee saw, i hated it at first and had the initial saw give me continuous issues they eventually traded me out for a brand new saw, after getting the new one and putting alot of hours on it im starting to like it, my cuts are getting better and i barely ever haul out the mitre saw now i just freehand all the cuts with the circ saw
i do manage to have issue with the guard not riding up how its suppose to if youre coming into the board at an angle, you have to manually pull it up to enter the cut im sure alot of saws have this problem but it seems solvable or atleast give me a detent or lock to keep the guard up so i can be holding the saw with two hands properly while the guard is up.. forcing me to run it one handed with my hand holding the guard handle right next to the blade is far from ideal
As a professional carpenter/ cabinet maker, two things ; I and many tradesman I know prefer the blade on the left side of saw ( better line of sight to the cut line), unless your left handed. 2ND point ; silent mode on Hikoki saw, WHY?? is there a baby sleeping nearby, the Hikoki is not well designed for pro's, I own the Dewalt 60V, Superb power.
Yeah, l have the dewalt also and can't speak highly enough of it.. like you said a beast.
Milwaukee utiliza baterías de 18 voltios vs 36, 54 voltios y aún así, les hace competencia !!
You gave no points to all saws for the blade tool, Dewalt is the only one with a wrench and it fits snug in its slot and the battery blocks it from wiggling out. That is a major plus for Dewalt having a wrench!
It's a bit too flat and awkward to use though. But add another point to Dewalt if you wish.
Is that tiny difference in cut depth really worth a 3 point differential from first to worst?
AEG?
Great video mate. I personally prefer you 'blabbering on' as you are very witty and you explain things very well. Hope the throat gets better.
If you use text with a black outline it can be read on any surface without smearing or being hard to read.
Interesting the Milwaukee motor housing. I actually returned the fuel and got the "brushless" cheaper version because of housing size and WEIGHT. Brushless w/8.0 let's go💪
One thing I can say i don't like about the dewalt also is when your ripping ply wood or something similar if you don't have it set on a flat cutting table and your running the saw base along a straight edge the base can easily run under the straight edge because it's so thin. My workmate had a dewalt and I had an 18v makita and the base is much nicer on the makita . To me it's something important and when it happens to run under straight edge it's a pain in the ass . Cheers
I have the dewalt and absolutely love it, your right about fitting the blade incorrectly, l learnt the hard way and yet have still done it a few times, been using a markita 185 mm corded saw for 30 years and now l prefer the cordless dewalt even for the fussiest cuts.. find that cheap blades do it no favors..good blade cuts like a hot knife in butter.
That Makita, damn.
Is the Bosch BITURBO/Profactor Circ saw out in your market? That's the only other one I'd want to see up against the XGT.
I also don't like the dewalt saw its hard to cut strait with it and don't like the plate . I daily work with this milwaukee gen2 and love everything about it the power is very surprising for a 18 volt tool also have the rear handle . I have not have the chance to try this makita model but its looks great and smooth . Metabo looks very underpower both its small and probably light weight i am not sure i can bring this on site to work with
Nice review
Nice video, I really like the way you compared tools, keep it up.
Thanks 👍
They need a 40v 680z - then I’m sold. Video is improved from earlier ones I think 😎
It seems like a lot of the Makita 40v reviews explain it compared to others as "smooth" which is interesting.
This is a way better style of video! The other ones were good but if I have a choice then I pick this style.
Out of the 5 contenders, clearly, the winner is that invisible high voltage 165mm circular saw.
Wonder how the rear handled ones compare
Awesome Awesome review runoff comparo! Screw the naysayers! I’m a bit surprised here. I’m mainly surprised the DeWalt didn’t do better, and surprised how well the M18 Fuel did! I have the first gen M18 fuel, and she’s a sweet saw. I have the latest version of the 60 Volt DeWalt, DCS 578 I believe, and it’s a powerhouse. Not surprised by the cross cutting, but I was at its lackluster ripping performance? Excellent and fair review IMO. Thorough too! I would call it for the Makita as well. I own the XSH06, and only two complaints are the dual batteries, and the hanging guard. Otherwise a sweet sweet machine! I believe you had made mention previously the guard was fine on the XGT model? Cheers Mate! Stay safe and Healthy! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😁✌🏻
@@interman7715 Hey interman! Appreciate the reply and comment. Like I said, I have the 578, and I’m in the states, so I’m not familiar with how the blade nut is in other countries? He mentioned this fact in the video. I have no problem with it. I just wished it didn’t ‘chew’ through the battery like it does the wood! 😲😂 I tend to use the DeWalt for outside work, and especially for cross cutting, where it’s a beast, and that is evidenced in his video. I use a speed square, and the cuts are smooth and dead on. I use a white Milwaukee glade on my Fuel saw, and they seem to do a good job. I usually only use Makita, Milwaukee, or DeWalt blades, you can’t go wrong there. YES, even over Diablo! Take care! 👍✌🏻
Look how many times he stopped mid rip... I think he is trying to skew the reality.
Fantastic review/test/information many thanks 👍👍
I really enjoyed this roundup.
The Hikoki is a just a no buy for people on the Hikoki platform. They have so many gaps in their tool range and so many duds its a wonder how they get people to build battery tool collections worldwide.
The Milwaukee on lots of their tools have great power but the ergonomics of the tool and mouldings leave a lot to be desired.
Makita the best all around imo - Nice to the lineup expand - the 40v lineup will sell tons around the world. New 5 amp battery coming too.
Thumbs up and the comment for the ol YT algorithm.
Makita's are overpriced
U must not have been aware of Metabo HPT/Hikoki offering the only full size cordless router, largest worksite table saw, largest capacity and cutting speed portable band saw, the best nailers in the business both pneumatic and cordless, the best mid torque impact wrench, the most powerful reciprocating saw , the only cordless full size rebar bender, and all of the 36V tools can be plugged in to AC adapter luv the SDS Max rotary hammer-outperforms.the other colors and goes all day plugged in when I want to, the triple Hammer is my go to for impact driving and the 36V Hammer drill absolutely crushes holes and concrete, the new rear handle left hand blade is now our go to rear handle and the new cordless compressor out specs the other cordless compressors, the metal nibbler is much better than the Makita and they all have the lifetime warranty
I have tools of many colors and they they all have their place-please don't desparage tools that U don't use or know much about-if u did u wouldn't make ridiculous comments
Nice vid fella I enjoyed the video as always was surprised the Milwaukee didn’t do better on the cross cutting. I have the x2 18v makita and the Milwaukee you used didn’t like the build quality of the makita would you the new xgt is improved ?
Ive got the makita dhs780 18v x2 and ive tried the 40v xgt and i hate it. Sure its got a tiny bit more power but its very unbalanced to hold.
I find the 40v way nicer to use vs the oversized 18v x2's
I liked this style of video. Do more, don’t do more, I’ll still be watching.
How is the line of sight to the blade when using the Makita 40 volt with your right hand. Can you see the cut line from the left of the blade? Haven't seen any XGT tools in any stores in my area to check them out.
I talked to a makita rep yesterday and he said the next size xgt 40vmax battery will be 8ah. Apparently they are trying to pack the cells in tighter so that the case isnt any bigger than the 5ah.
That would make it the biggest battery made by any of the tool companies as it would be equivalent to an 16Ah 18-volt. Excluding mx fuel.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL dewalt announced a 15ah battery a few days ago....
16 is one more than 15 😉 And is only 5Ah really due to the 54v, as who is going to use that monster on an 18v tool.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I'd use it for my 20v (18v where your at) weed Wacker. I manage a apartment complex and I can do about 45-55% of that property on one 5ah. So getting 15ah from the flexvolt battery would be awesome for that. ( if your didn't already know, all flexvolt batteries run 20v (18v) on the 20v (18v) tools for much longer run times
I of course realise that.
And I’m not sure where you got your Dewalt skilly from but mine came with a rafter hook and is far superior to the hikoki for doing perlins (I’ve used both and it cuts mint for cross cuts and ripping) way more power than any other skilly that I and the guys I work with have used.
Your DeWalt is probably the 578.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I know it’s the newest one
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL you can find 575s with a rafter hook here in New Zealnd. They came out about a year earlier than 578s
This had me on the side of my seat haha.. epic thriller!
Yeah the problem is we in the downunder islands favor Makita and you get confirmation bias when you talk, being a Dewalt guy. So, I liked the no talking and the showing the demo in 4 segments was awesome.
dewalt
Nice
have you tried the 40v Makita rear handle saw? keen to see that one reviewed...........
You forgot makita the only saw with easy vacuum attachment
liked this style of video for sure, but hearing you talk more is better! choice of music was good!
Noted!
But what batteries did you use? Did I miss that?
Love this video ... thanks alot.
Both styles are great!
Cheers!
Yo, why is this unlisted?
Btw do you have a separate review for 18v subcompact impact driver, I have only see it featured in two videos
Got fed up answering the same comment.
Nah I haven't done a video on the subcompact. I don't think they're very good.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL np, thank for the answer.
Regarding unlisting, I think this video is great, bit different concept but I like it and it has a lot of views
Like the style great review , can you do a comparison between the xgt circular saw and the rear handle saw 36v makita . I can’t decide which one to get 😂
looks good dude 👍 23 points!
Makita all day haha
How about Hilti circular saw?
I like this style of your videos more than previous one. More action and more info in shorter video.
Noted
@Tools & Stuff impressed that you replied. I was not expecting to get answer to my comment from the author of the channel. So I wanted just to say thank you for your work and your reviews of almoust all new power tools. And it it really cool that you make reviews of the cutting edge new tools, which could be available in my region only year latter (xgt is still not in sale in my local shops). Thank you once again. You doing great work and you shold not listen to the commenters like me about you work. That not the main thing in your videos. Just do what you like and people still will watch videos because you are doing them with passion.
Thanks again for your comment 👍
so let me get this right... i can buy the Hikoki / Metabo AC power adapter. And I can 3d print and adaptor (or buy an adaptor from aliexpress). That converts the Hikoki-Metable style battery shape, on to a makita batter terminal shape.... then I could plug random 18v makita tools (or whichever else, so long as its same voltage). And see what happens. Maybe Makita Fuel is more 'smart' to want to detect what the battery is with a 2 wire protocol or whatever signalling it uses for 'extra Fuel power'. But otherwise it should be pretty simple situation.
But cannot do other voltages. Of which the most desirable is either some these 40v matika stuff. And very much also the brand new 'Flex' power tools line (=24v), which is sold from Lowes in USA. That has to be imported by an importer internationally etc. So there is still a good reason to want the other companies to also make their own official AC adapters. And for all these time it's not happened yet. I do question why that is. Maybe if only they want to sell more batteries to get more profits or something. IDK, just would be nice though. Maybe taking the Metabo one apart could give some idea what's involved to make a 3rd party unofficial one. (For those other possible voltages)
Why did you keep stopping when using the Dewalt on the rip test but continued moving with the Milwaukee and makita???
That is because of how bas the Dewalt was at the task. I had to push much harder which made it more difficult to walk smoothly as I had to brace to push it through, and of all the cuts I did, that was the best one DeWALT did.
I own Makitas, but they should not be allowed to call their product 40V when it is actually 36V. 😕
Makita’s got 2 prior 36V lines, going max voltage for the new one makes sense to not confuse less knowledgeable customers.
Plus, unlike DeWalt, Makita is very honest about it. The Wh figures on their batteries uses 36V, and they stamp both 36V and 40V MAX on everything.
did you compare the weight tool only? cause i know there’s no way the dewalt weighs less than the makita with its behemoth battery
All weighed with the same blade on and no battery.
In my opinion you seem to be right handed why don't you try left sided Blade circular saw you might love it another more
Thats the old gen of the Dewalt flexvolt new one dcs578/579 is up to 50% more power. Are they in new Zealand yet?
Can you do the two new rear handled saws please 🙏
Hopefully...
Makita does 68mm as it can use a 190mm blade straight from factory.
Why are they all left handed
I liked the older style :(
My tool color didn't win so, your results are rubbish! LOL. JK. Thanks for the video; I liked the format. By the way, my color won the matchup. ;)
No load rpm is probably a useless spec. Most motors are designed to be most efficient at full load. Good video though.
You've perhaps missed the point. It is really a comparison of how truthful tool companies are. And the numbers they give are No load RPM speeds.
You can not blame the tool if it doesn't do as per the specification.
Why not?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL for example, if there are 2 tools and both of them are giving same performance until you found out that one of them is actually less than as specified, blame the company but tools have to be rated equally.
nice video
Makita the best.
Best presentation so far. What are the tolerances on the Chinese RPM counter?
What about price??
I never mention price as they are different everywhere on earth and some places might have different specials etc. There are links in the description if you want to check out the relative prices on Amazon.
I'm makita but the thought of retiring all my 18v tools hateful
Curious why the old dewalt saw? The dcs575 is a few years old at this point and they have the 578 out
Makita nr.1..
Is that the current version of the DeWalt over there? That's the old version in the us. New one comes with a 9/3 ah battery and a bit less than half again as much power. Also has a rafter hook now. Came out over here end of 2019
Extensive review, from what I’ve experienced and been told, Milwaukee is the brute and will use every ounce of itself to cut or drill.
For more fines and accuracy Makita is the right choice.
Thanks for your reviews brother!
First time I’ve seen the Milwaukee beat the dewalt in rip cuts.... either that’s a freaky saw or there’s something not right with the dewalt.
Just milwaukee still 18V 😡
Scores two makita kits for $91 each haha
You have the old dewalt. They seem to have fixed some of the problems you’ve brought up aswell on it.
Is that dewalt the dcs575? Here in the states dewalt has the 578 which is even more powerful and comes with a 9ah. Dewalt handicapped compared to the Milwaukee with those 18650 cells vs 21700. Dewalt also has the rear handle 577 that comes with the much better 9ah.