I tried to make this Strategy as simple as possible while maintaining it's integrity to be effective. In many cases you guys will be able to take 1 big blob from 1 fort to the next. And then into relieve Constantinople. You can have an additional 3k by using the sally forth on your capitol! Enjoy and good luck you damn guys!
Have you considered over-leveraging your crownland by getting all the monarch point privileges in November '44? The way crownland equilibrium works, you can often leap from 4.9% crownland to 18% crownland after your first Ottoman war, and continue to grow without seizing land by hoovering up the rest of Greece. It obviously risks more debt, but the early monarch points add up pretty quickly. In this case the order of events would be All three privileges -> Develop in Morea once -> Sell Crownland for 200 ducats -> Seize land.
It looks like they nerf Eastern Rome with every patch, I've just tried this strat at the start of the month and the Selanik fort got turned back on to full maintenance in a few days.
@@mcinnisclifton1754 Athens has Parthenon, +1 Admin and -50% Admin Advisor Cost. Mentese has Mausaleum of Helicarnassus, -10% Idea/Tech Cost. Most people say they buff Ottomans, I say they are worthy prizes for Byzantium. Shame Hagia Sophia is so tame.
More experienced players should certainly adapt on this strat like taking a quick war against Epirus if they have no allies for example. But I tried to keep it simple, for noobs like you Chewy! :)
I love how this has become a tradition with each patch! It's cool to have you explain in pretty clear terms how to get through that first war. Your 1.28-era strat helped me get Basileus at that time so I appreciate these a lot.
As most ppl here, in many of my runs the Ottoman waited in Constantinople with a 32K death stack. What I did differently then, was to hire one mercenary army more than budgetmonk did hire, and sent them to Constantinople on the 1st day of the month and the death stack didn't wait in Constantinople this but split up, just like in the video. I'm not sure though, if this will increase the chances if the troops splitting up. Also try to get Hungary or any other country big enough, to ally you. Otherwise the Venetians will swoop in and declare war on you.
i just reinforced with my forces (25k of my own 8k allies) and that let me win 1 day apart from each other, i broke the main stack and then chased them through greece to get the stack wipe.
Ive followed the last guide for this and it worked like a charm, same for Austria into revoking the privileges. Great explainations on the games mechanics which not only shows you how to do it but teach you, i'm loving your content
the fight in the mountains at 9:55 is actually really lucky. ottomans stack wiped which should mean they are the defender if any new fight happens in that province, but after a stack wipe the game makes you wait a day before you can do anything and sees you as entering that province that next day. since you arrive the same day as that, byz tag comes before ottos tag, meaning you get the defense in the mountains still
I really appreciate it's sped up and not cut. I always feel like I'm missing something from other "opening" guides. Now I can pause and just see what you did. Most streamers think some actions/tabs are self explanatory and omit them in guides, when actually there are so many things you explained. I'm 100h+ into this game and I just learned that spreading army increases spoils of war lol. I always saw it as some kind of bug, showing a lot of income in peace deal month which disappears after month ends.
Monk, this is a brilliant video, I was looking forward to it. I would personally really love to see your follow up video, it would be golden for us to see how to progress from this point.
Wow, I'm a new player and this video is so great! I love that you are talking about not only about your meta thought process but also what's behind all those mechanical kind of tricks and why you decide to do it! You got a fan!
I'd love to see a continuation of this! This is a great format for these kind of tutorials, and seeing even more of this kind of run will help give a lot of players (myself included) a better idea of how you could proceed post-Ottoman wars
Written version of this guide for the pre-war setup, since I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything for my own attempts. Move army to southern Greece Delete fort in Morea Set army and fleet maintenance to 0% Set Athens to supportive in subject window Improve Relations with Knights Improve Relations with Albania Estates: Clergy: Religious State, Oversight by the Clergy, Monopoly on Wine Nobility: Right of Council Burghers: Indebted to the Burghers, Free Enterprise, Monopoly on Glass Build: 1x Heavy in Constantinople 1x Heavy in Achaea 2x Galley in Morea 2x Galley in Corinth 4x Infantry in Atene Unpause Use third diplomat to guarantee Knights and Albania, and then build a spy network in Ottomans Ally Knights + Albania as soon as possible (Timestamp 2:12 Vital interest provinces on Albanian border leaving only the Serbian strategic interest Vital interest coastal Ottoman provinces) Just before the final ships complete, set army and fleet maintenance back to 100% Recruit 3 merc stacks in southern Greece. Choose the cheapest, ignoring general stats (since we have Skanderbeg). Take loans as needed. Have 1k soldiers in Atene with allow attachment on. You should have all your mercs and ships ready in December 1446 Have all your units (except the 1k in Atene) in Corinth, moving into Atene so that they arrive on 1st Jan 1447. Have your fleet in the Sea of Marmara to blockade the straits. Declare on 1st Jan, with Selanik as war goal.
Amazing guide, tried it out and it worked first try. Used my own dates for when i did stuff, but other than that i used the exact same build and it worked perfectaly. Good work!
I used to not really like your format in making your videos, but now I think it's a great format, well done I will be reproducing this strat for the new patch :)
You made some great adjustment to this "series" trough the years, i'm glad you did even i wasnt i need of it personnaly, but its easier to follow, more detailled, more realistic for newer player, and the vibe is still great, keep up the good work,, hoping for the follow up video wich would be very nice!
Awesome. Love these vids. Incidentally, I just used a similar strategy with... Muscovy. At game start, No-CBed and vassalized Byzantium, and immediately attacked Epirus allied with Albania who were both at war with the Ottomans. After I vassalized Albania, I found myself in a war with the Turk and basically played out your scenario minus the loans :) Restored most of the Byzantine cores in one swoop before the first decade was up. Feels good.
Very nicely done, i must say. Myself i have about 300 hours and i kid myself to think i'm able to learn quickly, so this might be my new strat, i've been trying some before Leviathan and the results were mixed, to be generous. I really like that you had no hard cuts, so it was easy to follow every single step, even if it looked miniscule, those might be important sometimes.
Great guide, but one thing I would add is that at the beginning give the clergy the privilege that gives 5% morale when at war with heathens or heretics. It’s a small little bonus to help win that first war against the ottomans but it definitely helps
Nice to see you switch from what i percieved as an arrogant way to talk to this new chill and ''explainy'' one. I like your content and hope you will keep sharing your knowledge to us using this nicer tone in your videos :)
Comparing to your other Byz guides, this is by far the best, most solid, least cheesy one. I did bash some of your earlier guides in the comment section due to them being dependant on certain luck factors. But this one is certainly doable almost 100% of the time, given that the player doesn't make huge mistakes. Gratz.
Great tutorial mate those people were right the tutorials started quite hard to follow for players with little experience like me but this one is perfect thank you very much
I agree with what you said that this is a good video for people who are not as skilled as you. Especially because it's so early in the game, like you said. Even if a new player watches then and messes it up, its so close to the beginning of the game and theres so little setup that they can just try again. Thanks for the advice!
This guide is great. I followed it to the letter, branching off only a little bit after the initial steps of the war (took Selenic, took, Gelebolu) when the AI acted a bit differently. The AI attacked me in Gelebolu with a 14k stack once I had it occupied, so I was able to wipe them, and then they attacked with their 16k stack and I beat that by a hair's breadth. A little bit lucky on my part, but it just made the war a little easier. I'd love to see more Byzantium videos.
Hey BudgetMonk. Since you asked for feedback, i have some for you. I actually never managed to defeat the Ottomans as Byzantium myself and lost interest in trying since it was so frustrating for me. But then i discovered one of your "how to own as Byzantium" -guides and tried it for myself. I never had as much fun in an eu4 Campaing again. It was just so rewarding to defeat the Ottomans without exploits(even though it wasnt my own tactics and had to try multiple times). So just thank you and keep up the good work
it was super easy on last patch. Trick is ofensive war as they dont maintain garrison in galibolu and u can taka it right away, and block passage witch fleet on day one
Great Video! Havent played eu4 for a long time and havent been watching much yt content but I started playing again some weeks ago and boom now I see your videos in my feed :D The new DLC seems kinda buggy tho so im gonna wait for the next patch I think before starting a new game, my last game got corrupted and I had such a good start with saxony that I couldnt bear starting another run
This strategy worked amazing in the beginning, but after sieging gelibolu the ottoman armies started having a change of heart and did different things than what they did here, sometimes resulting in me losing a couple times. But it worked in the end, and I'm happy. Thank you for the nice guide.
Hi budgetmonk love your byz guides, I’d love to see a Very Hard Byz guide because getting Albania as an ally is quite difficult and the ottomans are much stronger. Would be nice to see :D
I won my first actual war against the ottomans as Byzantium with this guide! Thank you so much! I immediately afterwards got declared war on by Venice and Genoa but thank you for the foundation!
This worked perfectly. Biggest difference in my game, they did stack all their units on constantinople and sieged it down but then they split up and skanderberg stackwiped them one by one, at that point they were stuck in anatolia
You should definitely make a follow up video, amazing stuff definitely earned a like and a subscribe especially for the other great content I've seen you make!
I tried to make this Strategy as simple as possible while maintaining it's integrity to be effective. In many cases you guys will be able to
take 1 big blob from 1 fort to the next. And then into relieve Constantinople. You can have an additional 3k by using the sally forth on your capitol! Enjoy and good luck you damn guys!
monkinator!
why cant he cross the straits? You dont control both sides so why can't he just walk into gelibolu and start sieging it for example?
Always found your strats easy to execute. Loved the 1.30 one. Consistant and hard hitting. Two war combo.
@@Simonsavvi if you own one side and blockade with ships they cannot cross
Have you considered over-leveraging your crownland by getting all the monarch point privileges in November '44? The way crownland equilibrium works, you can often leap from 4.9% crownland to 18% crownland after your first Ottoman war, and continue to grow without seizing land by hoovering up the rest of Greece. It obviously risks more debt, but the early monarch points add up pretty quickly. In this case the order of events would be All three privileges -> Develop in Morea once -> Sell Crownland for 200 ducats -> Seize land.
Ahh... New EU4 Patch, new Byzantium strategy...
INDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
It's the Law!
I have used this method for almost a year
Yeah because they decided to fuck with them every damn update
It looks like they nerf Eastern Rome with every patch, I've just tried this strat at the start of the month and the Selanik fort got turned back on to full maintenance in a few days.
Not using the hard cuts was really ingenious and made this guide way easier to understand than some others I've seen! Keep up the good work!
Also I'd love to see a follow up video to this, and I think a lot of other people would really appreciate it!
@@nolandeyer8142 I second this. Would love to see a continuation of this strategy.
New patch: releases
Budget monk: how to own as byzantium
Yes, that was the first things I looked for
He knows what his audience wants. ;-)
Broke: These new monuments make Ottomans too powerful!
Woke: These new monuments make Byzantium too powerful!
How so
@@mcinnisclifton1754 Athens has Parthenon, +1 Admin and -50% Admin Advisor Cost. Mentese has Mausaleum of Helicarnassus, -10% Idea/Tech Cost. Most people say they buff Ottomans, I say they are worthy prizes for Byzantium. Shame Hagia Sophia is so tame.
@@RmsOceanic Yeah they should add the walls of theodosius
@@mcinnisclifton1754 problem is, by this time, the Theodosian Walls had seen better days. while Hagia Sophia is thived under ottoMAN
@@Shadow.24772 Yeah but you should be able to rebuild them
You have mastered the art of the Byzantium starting tutorial!
Been waiting for this, cheers Monk!
More experienced players should certainly adapt on this strat like taking a quick war against Epirus if they have no allies for example. But I tried to keep it simple, for noobs like you Chewy! :)
@@BudgetMonk if you attack epirus you might as well throw in a no cb to secure the alhambra and the gov capacity!:D
edit: admin efficiency i mean
@@BudgetMonk Wtf
@@BudgetMonk lol shots fired
I love how this has become a tradition with each patch! It's cool to have you explain in pretty clear terms how to get through that first war. Your 1.28-era strat helped me get Basileus at that time so I appreciate these a lot.
As most ppl here, in many of my runs the Ottoman waited in Constantinople with a 32K death stack.
What I did differently then, was to hire one mercenary army more than budgetmonk did hire, and sent them to Constantinople on the 1st day of the month and the death stack didn't wait in Constantinople this but split up, just like in the video.
I'm not sure though, if this will increase the chances if the troops splitting up.
Also try to get Hungary or any other country big enough, to ally you. Otherwise the Venetians will swoop in and declare war on you.
i just reinforced with my forces (25k of my own 8k allies) and that let me win
1 day apart from each other, i broke the main stack and then chased them through greece to get the stack wipe.
"How to own as Byzantium" by BudgetMonk.
... not sure if it's déja vu or tradition.
I stopped playing EU4 long ago, but your video popping out in my recommendations was an instant click for me. Your content never disappoints.
I would really appreciate it if you continued this guide from where you left off.
Thx, you'r my Byzantian hero :D With your guide lines stomping over Ottomans was like a walk in the park ^^
Ive followed the last guide for this and it worked like a charm, same for Austria into revoking the privileges. Great explainations on the games mechanics which not only shows you how to do it but teach you, i'm loving your content
the fight in the mountains at 9:55 is actually really lucky. ottomans stack wiped which should mean they are the defender if any new fight happens in that province, but after a stack wipe the game makes you wait a day before you can do anything and sees you as entering that province that next day. since you arrive the same day as that, byz tag comes before ottos tag, meaning you get the defense in the mountains still
I really appreciate it's sped up and not cut. I always feel like I'm missing something from other "opening" guides. Now I can pause and just see what you did. Most streamers think some actions/tabs are self explanatory and omit them in guides, when actually there are so many things you explained. I'm 100h+ into this game and I just learned that spreading army increases spoils of war lol. I always saw it as some kind of bug, showing a lot of income in peace deal month which disappears after month ends.
Monk, this is a brilliant video, I was looking forward to it. I would personally really love to see your follow up video, it would be golden for us to see how to progress from this point.
Wow, I'm a new player and this video is so great! I love that you are talking about not only about your meta thought process but also what's behind all those mechanical kind of tricks and why you decide to do it! You got a fan!
Yes please make a follow up. This is like oldschool BudgetMonk all over again :D loving it
I'd love to see a continuation of this! This is a great format for these kind of tutorials, and seeing even more of this kind of run will help give a lot of players (myself included) a better idea of how you could proceed post-Ottoman wars
This tutorial is actually extremely well done. Nice work Budgie!
Written version of this guide for the pre-war setup, since I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything for my own attempts.
Move army to southern Greece
Delete fort in Morea
Set army and fleet maintenance to 0%
Set Athens to supportive in subject window
Improve Relations with Knights
Improve Relations with Albania
Estates:
Clergy: Religious State, Oversight by the Clergy, Monopoly on Wine
Nobility: Right of Council
Burghers: Indebted to the Burghers, Free Enterprise, Monopoly on Glass
Build:
1x Heavy in Constantinople
1x Heavy in Achaea
2x Galley in Morea
2x Galley in Corinth
4x Infantry in Atene
Unpause
Use third diplomat to guarantee Knights and Albania, and then build a spy network in Ottomans
Ally Knights + Albania as soon as possible
(Timestamp 2:12
Vital interest provinces on Albanian border leaving only the Serbian strategic interest
Vital interest coastal Ottoman provinces)
Just before the final ships complete, set army and fleet maintenance back to 100%
Recruit 3 merc stacks in southern Greece. Choose the cheapest, ignoring general stats (since we have Skanderbeg). Take loans as needed.
Have 1k soldiers in Atene with allow attachment on.
You should have all your mercs and ships ready in December 1446
Have all your units (except the 1k in Atene) in Corinth, moving into Atene so that they arrive on 1st Jan 1447.
Have your fleet in the Sea of Marmara to blockade the straits.
Declare on 1st Jan, with Selanik as war goal.
Amazing guide, tried it out and it worked first try. Used my own dates for when i did stuff, but other than that i used the exact same build and it worked perfectaly. Good work!
This is the most clear and comprehensive tutorial i've seen. Thank you this was super helpful!
I used to not really like your format in making your videos, but now I think it's a great format, well done I will be reproducing this strat for the new patch :)
Was literally waiting for this video so I could start a new campaign. Appreciate it!
New Byz strat is about all I really care about with new EU4 updates anymore
I always appreciate your work Monk. Thanks for this videos.
I live for this kind of stuff. :D I also appreciate how consistent you make the strategy.
You made some great adjustment to this "series" trough the years, i'm glad you did even i wasnt i need of it personnaly, but its easier to follow, more detailled, more realistic for newer player, and the vibe is still great, keep up the good work,, hoping for the follow up video wich would be very nice!
After many hours and tries, I finally achieved this start and got the Basileus achievement. Thank you so much for the guide!
great vid, always a good start for one of the most fun nations in eu4 thanks for showing again how to optomise the strat.
I actually prefer sped up footage to hard cuts so I appreciate the way you made this.
I got a good Byzantium run going on this tutorial! Than you so much the little tips and insights make all the difference!
This was a great guide. I am a very new to this game and I was able to do this. Keep up the great work.
Awesome. Love these vids.
Incidentally, I just used a similar strategy with... Muscovy. At game start, No-CBed and vassalized Byzantium, and immediately attacked Epirus allied with Albania who were both at war with the Ottomans. After I vassalized Albania, I found myself in a war with the Turk and basically played out your scenario minus the loans :)
Restored most of the Byzantine cores in one swoop before the first decade was up. Feels good.
Glad to see your videos. Your the best eu4 player that I'm aware of.
Very nicely done, i must say. Myself i have about 300 hours and i kid myself to think i'm able to learn quickly, so this might be my new strat, i've been trying some before Leviathan and the results were mixed, to be generous. I really like that you had no hard cuts, so it was easy to follow every single step, even if it looked miniscule, those might be important sometimes.
Thank you budgetmonk! I love this series
great format. especially explaining the maneuvers!
You are a pillar of this community. Thank you for everything you do for fans of eu4
Great guide, but one thing I would add is that at the beginning give the clergy the privilege that gives 5% morale when at war with heathens or heretics. It’s a small little bonus to help win that first war against the ottomans but it definitely helps
Every patch, a new Byzantium video. I love this. Please keep it up :)
Many thanks! This is very useful - I've been having difficulty repaying my loans after recovering Greece from the Ottomans; this should help a lot.
Nice to see you switch from what i percieved as an arrogant way to talk to this new chill and ''explainy'' one. I like your content and hope you will keep sharing your knowledge to us using this nicer tone in your videos :)
Comparing to your other Byz guides, this is by far the best, most solid, least cheesy one. I did bash some of your earlier guides in the comment section due to them being dependant on certain luck factors. But this one is certainly doable almost 100% of the time, given that the player doesn't make huge mistakes.
Gratz.
Great tutorial mate those people were right the tutorials started quite hard to follow for players with little experience like me but this one is perfect thank you very much
Wow this really is reliable. I had a save get corrupted and was able to do this a second time with no problem. Thanks Budhetmonk!
thank you so much man. your strategy worked great.
I agree with what you said that this is a good video for people who are not as skilled as you. Especially because it's so early in the game, like you said. Even if a new player watches then and messes it up, its so close to the beginning of the game and theres so little setup that they can just try again. Thanks for the advice!
This was a good tutorial format, I enjoyed it a lot
I actually reformed Rome as Byzantium a couple of years ago on VH thanks to your strategy so tyvm man
Amazing video! I’d love to see more of how you continue this. I have 2000 hours and have never used scorched earth before seeing this.
Ah great strat. I think I may finally give Byzantium a try! I would definitely be interested in a continuation guide for this.
Always love a BudgetMonk Byzantium guide!
This guide is great. I followed it to the letter, branching off only a little bit after the initial steps of the war (took Selenic, took, Gelebolu) when the AI acted a bit differently. The AI attacked me in Gelebolu with a 14k stack once I had it occupied, so I was able to wipe them, and then they attacked with their 16k stack and I beat that by a hair's breadth. A little bit lucky on my part, but it just made the war a little easier. I'd love to see more Byzantium videos.
Yes a follow up on possible goals would be interesting
Hey BudgetMonk. Since you asked for feedback, i have some for you. I actually never managed to defeat the Ottomans as Byzantium myself and lost interest in trying since it was so frustrating for me. But then i discovered one of your "how to own as Byzantium" -guides and tried it for myself. I never had as much fun in an eu4 Campaing again. It was just so rewarding to defeat the Ottomans without exploits(even though it wasnt my own tactics and had to try multiple times). So just thank you and keep up the good work
This tactic is even better and easier than the previous one. Great job and keep up the good work
This ended up finally being the patch I won the initial war. Thanks for the help man, you're a legend.
Great video. Please make more videos like this. Byzantium runs are fun and unique.
Great vid! Thanks for the “beginner mindset”
Good to see another byz start strat. Thanks monk.
Definitely going to try this, still not manage get Byzantium out of a first war, despite 2k hours.
it was super easy on last patch. Trick is ofensive war as they dont maintain garrison in galibolu and u can taka it right away, and block passage witch fleet on day one
f*** me. ive been trying hard myself with 900 hours. Glad to see im not the only one struggling. These ottomans make me mad sometimes :P
I'm exactly the same ;_;
Something ALWAYS go wrong
And again. This time on very hard. Your 'owning' videos for Byzantium are always fascinating.
Great Video! Havent played eu4 for a long time and havent been watching much yt content but I started playing again some weeks ago and boom now I see your videos in my feed :D The new DLC seems kinda buggy tho so im gonna wait for the next patch I think before starting a new game, my last game got corrupted and I had such a good start with saxony that I couldnt bear starting another run
This strategy worked amazing in the beginning, but after sieging gelibolu the ottoman armies started having a change of heart and did different things than what they did here, sometimes resulting in me losing a couple times. But it worked in the end, and I'm happy. Thank you for the nice guide.
Thanks, it worked on second try! On the first I had some issues with Selanik not being mothballed for some reason.
Really nice Video, super easy to understand!
dude this is pure poison that gets me every time and I love it
Great video clean well explained. Top job!
Finally got this to work! The video was instrumental, thank you!
Funniest part? Skandenberg died during the siege of Gallipoli....
No matter what happens, BudgetMonk releasing a Byzantium strategy after an update is certain. Amazing content as always.
Good stuff Monk. Keep going❤❤
This strategy is great. My first Byzantium run was successful thanks to it's older version for 1.29
our mad lad is back. Heck yeah monk!
Epic content mate, thank you!
You are the master on Byzantium. Very nice video. Thank you.
video was great, didn't need to even watch it after the war dec, strat was clear and the Ottomans only sent 15k men on the western half, great video
Hi budgetmonk love your byz guides, I’d love to see a Very Hard Byz guide because getting Albania as an ally is quite difficult and the ottomans are much stronger. Would be nice to see :D
commenting for VH byz guide, very nice vid Monk
So fucking brilliant, a master strategist. Thanks Monk!
I won my first actual war against the ottomans as Byzantium with this guide! Thank you so much! I immediately afterwards got declared war on by Venice and Genoa but thank you for the foundation!
I was waiting for this
Really good video, amd very easy to follow
Great video guide, from a true hardcore player.
Love it. Every new patch a Byzantium guide
Looks like a very good guide thx, gonna give it a whirl later.
Very clean Monk, would love some more :)
It's gonna be a treat!
Very good BG. Keep em comming!
Love your videos and your content :)
as always, thank you sir!
Great advice and video!
Thank you so much! Great Strat, very easy to execute. Even tho my dept was around 500...
This worked perfectly. Biggest difference in my game, they did stack all their units on constantinople and sieged it down but then they split up and skanderberg stackwiped them one by one, at that point they were stuck in anatolia
Great format
Awesome video!
You should definitely make a follow up video, amazing stuff definitely earned a like and a subscribe especially for the other great content I've seen you make!
Do I have any intention of playing Byzantium in the near future? No.
Did I watch this video anyway? Yes.