What do musicians hear on stage?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มี.ค. 2023
- Ever wondered what musicians hear on stage?
This is a direct feed from Sean of @whileshesleeps in ear monitors!
All band & crew are hearing something very different to what the audience are! - บันเทิง
I knew they had metronomes but hearing eachother into a mix is super dope!
That's been around for a while ❤
It depends on the person and what instrument they play. I played both rhythm and lead guitar for 4 years weekly and would always just have lead vocals, metronome, a touch of percussion and the other guitarist. Keys bass and filler vocals were always killed for me.
Yep, even my band monitors ourselves, we sound like our recordings
Not all have metronomes in their monitors.
@@codycurnutte9778honestly if i had to play like this, I'd pre record fake and not care. Real music is like classical music or even jazz, nothing in your ear, no monitors. The idea of monitor makes it fake already for me so I'd really not care and fake the whole thing
You know you’re groovin when that click just disappears bc you’re all so locked in
Best feeling ever honestly
best feeling ever when using metronome.
Nothing else like it
Playing to clicks is for robot sheep, and lame bands with no soul to jam.
@@ZeroESG.goopootoobsome use it live but don’t record in the studio to the click. The number of drummers who are fine with this because it makes their lives easier… You’re just a fool.
They hear what they want to hear. A bass player might want only the bass drum and a click. The guitarist might want only bass n drums. It's really a personal preference thing
As a pro bassist I usually have to have the guitar or whatever lead instrument matching my volume. Only hearing bass drum and a click would be a disaster lol
@@ShadamAran I'm a drummer and learned in a live environment, playing with mostly just a guitarist. So I prefer the bass and guitar at equal volume too, and sometimes a tad of vocal for cues, but that depends on the venue.
It completely depends on what I'm playing that show if I'm playing bass I want to hear drum vox and guitar I don't want to hear myself, if I'm playing guitar I want evrything, if I'm doing vocals same as guitar
Yeah I can't imagine not having the guitar sound as well in fact as a bassist you need to hear absolutely everything.
Lmao dumbest shit take ever
The song name is Seen It All, the band is While She Sleeps
Seen it all while she sleeps? Interesting I wonder if she knows about it
Thank you for that
I’ve seen it all*
Thanks!
Thank you for the information
Keep On Keepin On
Went to college with this lad good to see him done so well
Sean is unreal! I could listen to an album of just him doing instrumentals
As a musician I can attest that this is real. But each musician gets to set their preferences and a click isn’t always present and they just go off the drums/bass. Normally the sound is actually better for the musicians because it’s the mix going straight to their ears at healthy volumes rather than through the system then into the crowd where your location can have a big impact on what you hear more of
Holy crap they are freaking tight 🔥🔥
Fuck yes! And thats what it takes for this kind of music / rythm patterns🤙
@@nephosl5292except old school prog bands didn't use any backingtracks or live metronomes. Same applies for jazz & fusion musicians from any era
@@Yourbankaccount yeah becuz current era of live music contains more than just the instruments on stage.
@@Yourbankaccount gotta take into account that nowadasys they have programmed light shows going on and all kinds of extras, so a metronome and a fixed schedule is pretty much something needed - different eras, my boy
@@mike_tkgchsit’s still dumbing down the music. The tech is more advanced so now we need handicaps to handle it.
You know the drummer is good because you can’t hear the click once they come in.
If they were world class, they wouldn't use a click at all.
It's all preference though. I think a performance has a better live feel when its not so rigidly performed to a click
@@grant1133well since they use backing tracks and MIDI automation for live preset changes and so on they need to keep everything in time
@grant1133 depends on the band and genre really. Metal like this makes sense to a click. I'd never wanna see most hard rock bands to a click, though.
That might not even be the drummer he’s hearing…
@@KasperViggoJensenyou can still hear the dynamics in the drums and the sound is exactly what you'd expect in a concert mix so I don't think so, besides the kick which is obviously triggered
i love how the click disappears once they're locked in
The click is clearly there the whole time, the volume has simply been lowered in sections.
The drummer's off-time kickflubs necessitate that the click is always on.
I noticed opposite, how annoying it is constantly hearing it.
It doesn’t it’s terrible idk why they can’t just play normal
Love this video. Thanks for this POV I’ve always wondered this!
hey
and this is when the onstage sound is good! when it's bad, youre just lost in a cloud of sound and youre staring at the drummers hands for a visual metronome
With in ears, like this band (and all other bands with metronomes) uses, the onstage sound is ALWAYS good. That's kind of the point
Based kick enjoyer
Bro, you're a legend!!
🙌❤️
While She Sleeps
what song
@@nicholasyoutube910"I've seen it all"
That is a phat kick drum
Thank lars
😂@@SouthJerseyMatt
Fat? It's thin as cardboard, hope you're ironic.
Triggers will do that
It’s quite shit kick actually
I just started to have this sorta tech with my band and it's amazing lol. Being able to hear everyone at different levels on stage Is amazing. You guys sound amazing by the way!
I can't even imagine that my rock n roll days are behind me in the 90s but the thought of having a click track is insane 😂 I wouldn't even wear earplugs lol
As a bass player all I ever put in my ears was my bass, kick and snare, and guitar and vocals at a low volume.
O Man it's different from when I used to play live with a whole band. It was like a thunderstorm back then. Probably I would have started using in ears later on to save my ears and I was early on with wireless mic.
Depends on what kind of music you're playing.
You ain't going to hear no jazz or blues musicians doing that.
This overly technical sounding metal for sure you wouldn't want to do it with out.
A lot of pop music needs it.
More organic sounding bands that modulate tempos for feel and dynamics don't. Eg QOTSA. Mastodon.
Foo fighters probably not.
With backing tracks it really helps.
However Rush a band that used a lot of samples and intermittent backing tracks ,did not use click tracks. And pulled it off amazingly.
I would hate this personally. For better or worse I play off the drummer
Rush was amazing yep. These guys not so much
@@jamesduescher3462 Yeah, you could tweak it to your preference, and if I was to play around with in-ears I'd want more of the drummer and maybe a faaaint click-track at the back... this level sounds too distracting to me as well haha.
click is only needed in completely structured music, aka this modernized poppy metal. In tempo changes i would prefer it to be free hand on the drummers time as it has a more natural feel imo. It's really a personal preference type of thing i just prefer the freedom. The click can feel like a prison at times and some songs just feel like they should naturally speed or slow. Stuff like that is highly dependent on the skillset of the musicians. Bands like Dire Straits were really good at stuff like this but they lend themselves to a more bluesy background
most bands these days are using a click tracks. Because people are conditioned to hearing music be so clean and on time now, you stand out like a sore fuckin thumb if you're the one band not playing to a click or some kind of timed queing system. Rush was also a massive band with a massive crew. The reason a lot of music is on the laptop now is because it's not the days of the boomers who could hire 20 guys and play stadiums despite being someone like lars ulrich who wouldn't even be able to get in the door these days. It wasn't harder back then. It was way easier. You can't just be a guitarist or a vocalist anymore. You have to know how to do all of this stuff, and do a ton of your own audio work to make it in todays music business. The older guys don't play to clicks and there's a magic behind that too for sure so I don't wanna seem like I'm knocking it, because it's it's whole own skillset that I believe is equally important to master as it is to master playing to the click. Drummers have been playing to clicks for decades and decades though, and you'd be hard pressed to find a drummer in the last 60 years outside of the few virtuosos like Danny Carey who are so internally on time that the metronome messes them up. But that's a rare talent to have, and not as important as being able to play to a click and count time as you play.
This is only if you play to a click and are playing super intricate parts. Super awesome to see that you guys are under such diligence, though, shows dedication to your performance!
To everyone saying "i could never play with that metronome sound"
1. This doesn't HAVE to be used for every song. It's a tool that is appropriate sometimes and not others. Like a loop pedal.
2. Being a good musician means you can play your instrument, being a professional means you can handle the show requirements. It's like being a sportsman, you can play the sport, but if you can't follow a coach and adapt to their instructions, you can't be a professional sportsman.
3. There is a level of musicianship required to play live to a click, as there is a level required to improvise, compose or to be able to read score. Deciding not to hone all of those skills is only going to limit your skill level
Nobody in the sixties or seventies was using metronomes live…and no one has surpassed those bands ever. This is the death of music. Replace these people with robots.
@@owenjnelson-fb9mg "no one has surpassed those bands ever" - ok boomer
@@owenjnelson-fb9mglol yes well invariably someone always makes this comparison but it isn’t based on much of anything other than your opinion. One hour spent watching live concerts from the 60s 70s and 80s will indeed show some great performance and ALSO some really REALLY poor ones. The simple fact is bands back then didn’t use in-ears (with all that entails) because the technology didn’t exist…not out of some altruistic desire for purity. As for your claim that no one has surpassed those bands ever I will simply say in the things that can be measured (ticket and album sales) Taylor Swift alone has surpassed quite nearly every band ever and I assure you her band has a click in their ears…because that’s what pros do in these days of a multimedia live music experience.
@@owenjnelson-fb9mgliterally Keith Moon would play to a click live. Bands have been doing this for decades
@@bigbradsk your use of the word literally means I’m not reading ANYTHING you ever say…..
Now I know why rock bands are always head banging - they're keeping time!! I always thought they were just roocking out!
You can't fully hear how good your band sounds live. It's a job
Dang, that riff is so 🔥
Nope! that click track would drive me nuts
Tbh live you dont even notice it tbh i use one and sometimes cant even tell
The guitar tone 🔥
Ever wondered what this exact musician hears on stage
FTFY
thank you for sharing our pain ❤
This actually answered a question I've hade for a while
There's no metronome heard on stage for most concerts
@e.d.1642 oh I knew that would be an in ear click track
As a church drummer, I've always wondered if more expensive setups sound better in ears with a real audio engineer mixing the mix, and if musicians can hear effects in stereo, ir if we're just all doomed to crappy mono in ear mixes 🤔
Midas DP48. It will blow your mind the difference. Ability to pan vocals to different ears to mimic stage placement. The reverbs built in to it sound amazing. I was skeptical but it totally changed my perspective on in ear possibilities
Love these videos
Title should be “What do some musicians hear on stage”. As a musician singing and playing bass for 60 years, I would hate hearing a stage mix that sounded like this. Modern monitoring, whether using traditional wedge speakers or In Ear Monitors allows each musician to hear a personalized custom balance of all the instruments and vocals and, usually, the only reason to add a click track is when you are playing along with pre recorded tracks. I, personally like the sound of a more live stage when I’m performing but every musician has their preference.
Not the ones who can play on tempo without a click lmao
That click constantly going off would drive me crazy
Yeah it's annoying enough during recording. Fuck, I can't imagine hearing that all night on stage.
There’s no way in hell I’d tour with a click lol. It’s bad enough just having to play the same material night after night I can’t imagine that too. It would be hell. Honestly would contribute to me hating the experience of being a working musician.
@@SS_Psyopsit would get so boring so fast
Ive played in several bands in the past as a guitar player . Ive always been lucky to play with musicians who are way better than i am.
One thing ive learned from them especially drummers and bass players is that timing and feel are super important especially when playing in a band or with other musicians. With that said , ive nevered played with a drummer that uses a click live . That would distract me and everyone else in the band.
I think they also hear Aliens from other planets on stage..
Click tracks and verbal ques are the answer to sounding really tight and professional on stage.
Very true. They can definitely help a decent band sound super tight. Some of the best bands can be tight without it, but don't try to be a hero. They are very available tools that aren't very expensive anymore. Use the hell out of them.
Kulusevski shredding during the international break lol 🐓🏐
you hear the dude keeping the beat like any other band ever
What song is that they're playing? Just found out about this band through this vid and also your channel! Just subbed to your channel of course!
While she sleeps - I have seen it all
Just became a fan myself! Music with soul
"Ever wonder what some musicians in particular genres hear onstage"?
Perfect monitor mix for me!
what most people here don't get is that a: with backing tracks u gotta be on point. there's no room for mistakes. b: click is essential for this and c: for all the "u don't feel music this way" u definitely do because u hear exactly what you wanna hear. as a guitarist i don't need loud stages or cymbals crushing my ears. what he has is the perfect mix for me. kick, snare, click, own guitar snd the rest embedded. and with that you can feel what you want to feel. when i do monitors as a engineer 80% of the time in ear mixes for guitar players will end up like this as per request. foh is a different story. there u wanna hear everything except the click ofc.
good to see what wss has become. in remember doing monitors at a festival for them way back in 2012 in europe when they where a small band
Dont use backing tracks. Simple as that. Be a real fucking band.
@@zerosoma33 kind of not possible when you're a band like invent animate that uses multiple layers of synths and pads to construct the backing soundscape for their songs
@@teleblisters aka 'special effects', not saying bands like this aren't talented, but 'rock/heavy' bands should never have to rely on computers to be able to play their show, as long as the instruments and rigs are working, you should be able to go out there crush it, that's why live music today has allowed what was onced looked down upon, creep into their shows.
I just use synths…… have always, we’ve played some really complex polys too. I tap chords in one time and play lead with the other, never did this. I would hate the rigidity. I also enjoy the experience of pulling it all off though and usually am responsible for the synths and a hell of a lot else.
All these years and I never realised they used metronomes in live performances
Not all bands do. Often metronomes are used to play along with a backing track…so the metronome isn’t to keep the players together it’s to keep the people in time with the machines.
There’s video of Kiss getting off tempo on their backing tracks and it sounds terrible.
I see it as cheating, in a way.
One of their best songs .
bro what song is first one
Do the people talk to each other in the headset thing
Yeah they do!
Yes. I'm a drummer and music director. I have to talk to my team all the time
@@kennethnashe5461 Hey. I'm a guitarrist in a band with two guitars. How should I separate them? I can't hear myself properly in the in ear mix.
@MrBinga09 there's different ways. 1. Realize that you don't need to hear every single instrument in the band. As an MD I need to hear everyone. As just a drummer i need click above all else. Second loudest is bass. Third is vocals. 4th keys. Everything else is low in the mix or completely absent. Don't have more in your ears than what you actually need to do your job well. If you have the ability pan your instruments according to where you're standing on stage.
@@kennethnashe5461 "hey SOUNDGUY i need everything in my monitor! but especially kick and bass and guitar" [soundguy facepalms]
I was wondering this the other day, thanks❤
oh wow I've wanted to hear this for so long
I’m trying figure what song this is shits fire
The “ooooouuuuuu” that left my body when the shred started 😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨
most musicians dont have access to this type of monitoring
Actually, band members get to choose what part of the mix and click they hear.
All depends on the band. My band we do like a bit of a "full band" mix with each individual persons instrument being a little louder for themselves. Everyone has the click as well.
I wouldn't want a click in my ears. If the drummer drifts timing slightly then it's going to sound like a mess and will be difficult to know whether to keep time to the metronome or drums. I'd rather just have drums. If the drummer drifts slightly, everyone else does too then as they're following the drums so all stays in sync. Depends on the drummer though and also what you have going on in the backing track.
So that explains why Hendrix was so good!
Haha i see what you did there.
😂😂😂
Yeah new music n munitions are lame..rock should be eaw
Thank you!
This polished metal shit don't do it
Depends on the musician or band. Some play music that's easier to play tight without a click track.
Man that kick is SMACKIN
Never heard them before but this is impressively tight
coolest use of the ol dtwhammy I've seen
Most of my favorite bands (HxC bands mostly) don't play to a click so that the performance can breathe. Bands that play to a click are usually pretty sterile. I don't mean that as an insult, but it's my experience that a performance can be so much bigger w/o a click. I'm also fully aware that that starts to fall apart when you play bigger venues with more elaborate setups, but as far as I know, The Dillinger Escape Plan went their entire career without playing to a click and they played a ton of huge festivals and stuff
Metronome in the in-ear monitor
Only way to go
Loved how the metronome was programmed in the riff rhythm. Easier to know at which part of the verse one is playing.
His own monitor canal or
🙃the local music radio station 😂
Not my kinda music but shiiiit does that guitar sound awesome when he comes in!
so nice. I didn't hear something like this before
Pretty much - we all mix different, I tend to keep the click low and the drums higher, pan and fade the vocals forward to their specific sides of the stage, put my guitar in the center. I’ve set my IEMs up very 3D, so each musician is in my ears where they are in real life.
Always love Narrator , not just a top dude, but funny and so darn loyal and protective of his friends and family.
Love you Nart!(its just the name that came out) 😂
if only coltrane had a click track. what a great musician he would have been
Ever wonder what musicians hear on stage?, question already answered, loud crowd noise….eardrums broke….
That’s the modern way to do it. It’s not the only way 😂
A couple things I find funny in the comments:
1. "Real musicians don't use a click live." WHAT😂 Dude this IS THE WAY. You couldn't pay me to not have it. Everything is tight, timed and no slips. It's perfect. It also helps with automation. Most bands if not the majority use a click live. Not everyone would want it in the ears but I can assure the drummer is using it at the minimum.
2. Just because they have IEMs doesn't mean they use tracks or a click. Stage wedges suck. Not having an individual mix sucks. Most of these bands also have room mic so they can bleed in crowd and stage sound to make it feel less disconnected. What you're hearing is someone's individual preference. My mix would be 100% different than this, guys.
3. Knocking something that makes you better live is also a bad take. Once you go to IEMs and if you decide to use a click, you won't ever go back. I promise you that. At the minimum just do the IEMs your ears will thank you!
Let me just not be able to hear myself and give myself further hearing damage lol, having a click makes a huge difference
@Boristhaspydr right? "I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING TURN ME UP" Next thing you know you've just ruined the onstage mix. Yeah Wedges should die. You get used to volume on stage, and I can tell you.. coming home and feeling like you just listened to music in headphones for a few hours beats them ringing the next 3 days.
I've only used a click live two times, both being session gigs. One was with a band that used samples during and to start off songs. The other was with a band that had 2 guitarists, bass, keyboards, lead, and backing vocals. A click was a must.
I've always had really solid timing (I have a ton of live experience), so the band I've played with never felt the need for a click. But, at the end of 2021, for the first time in 26 years, I was without a band. I spent 2 years playing alone (getting way better) while using a click. I joined a band 2 months ago, and I will be using a click live from now on. I'm so used to it, and the band is used to playing along to programmed drums, so it works out perfectly.
I wouldn't say majority of bands but for shows of this scale it would be a necessity surly
Great way to advertise your band. Never heard of you and don’t care, but I love how you’re connecting with your fans by showing them what it takes to rock them.
dude why'd you have to add the don't care lol
@@flowprecisionwashing same reason you had to focus on the negative and comment on it
Cuz not giving a sh-- is apparently really cool with youngsters these days. @@flowprecisionwashing
Not in a bar though lol only big festivals or big stage shows i played a place where they had no monitors and it’s not easy to hear yourself sometimes so you just hope for the best
John Bonham never used a click track or metronome. He was the click track. But I know know mostly every professional musician or bands use metronomes or click tracks.
Bonham was one of the best and the lack of clicktrack was one organic trait of the 70s that made everything sound so natural. The tempos oscilated because every human being oscilates a little bit and that's expected. That's why you can't mimic them or generate an automated metronome over led zeppelin songs, It will fall out of beat from time to time because the click track doesn't FEEL, it only roboticly reproduces the time.
brian garris just broke down what he gets in his in ears on the beat down pod cast, mad to think how different everyone's approach is based on their experience with sound techs haha
At this point i would like to be an audience
When the tremolo becomes part of the song!!
pretty damn accurate!
In my in ear monitor my mix is a click track for each song it's a different tempo drums bass and singer sometimes depends on song. And I play lead guitar in a pretty popular 80s tribute hairband and rock cover tribute band so much fun aswell
This is in the ear monitors, not coming out of the stage monitors.
Sick!!🔥 Which in ear monitoring system are y'all using?
Amazing tune! Track name please❤
That's what they hear when they play large venues with in ears monitors... Try to play a small to mid venue with stage volume and crappy PA...
If their sound tech isn’t doing his job and mixing the monitors correctly, they hear a bunch of crap.
What effect is on that expression pedal?
I´ve been a musician for forty years, and I´ve never heard that. What I HAVE heard, though, is three thousand different yells containing the words "play Cotton Fields!" In as many different stages of drunk.
WHILE SHE SLEEPS - SEEN IT ALL
Not all bands use this, but most on a certain professional level do. Especially if there’s a backing track as well
What song is this!??? I need this in my life! Not the click track obviously. The band!!!
I've Seen It All by While She Sleeps!
I feel like constant click might get annoying after a while. I typically play off the drummer or whatever is keeping consistent rhythm an tempo.
Having to use a click track to play a show😂😂😂 I've played music for 30 years, was a professional working musician for 10 years those years, have played hundreds of gigs, in front of crowds ranging anywhere from a few drunks in a bar to over 10 thousand (on a handful if occasions, high points of my band days). We never needed a click track to play a set. The only time we ever used a click was when we were paying hourly for studio time and wanted to get it perfect. This was before the days when everyone relied up on technology to mask their mistakes. You had to actually be able to play the song all the way thru without fucking up, or else you'd have to go back and punch it in, or do another full take., all of which cost more money.
Anyhow, in my days of playing, the thing that the band heard onstage was pretty much exactly what the crowd heard. The same mix that was going thru the mains towards the crowd was coming thru our monitors too. The only difference is, we could also hear it from our personal stage gear behind us, amps and whatnot. And of course, the drum kit was up your ass no matter where you were on stage or how low it was in the monitor mix😂
If we were in a small enough venue, like a small bar, restaurant or private party, we wouldn't even run the instruments thru the monitors, only the vocal mics would be going thru. And sometimes if it was a really tiny spot, even the mains would only have vocals, or the instruments would be turned super low in the mix.
The per-recorded count in made me laugh for some reason.
I wish my church has that.
Shit, no wonder they can't hear me.
I hate hearing a click while I’m playing
Youll know you in the tempo when you didnt hear the click on you in ear...that feelsssssss
That was drummers perspective 😂
Haha wish my band got this big (or really took the time) to get this stuff
Nah the real shit is those of us who were playing before the in ears became really accessible. All you heard was a wall of noise and had to play everything by memory. Or if you were lucky you had a sound guy that would atleast crank the snare in the floor monitors so you could go off of that. Lmao
It seems that the metronome is not synced with the song in this video. It keeps the same tempo through the whole video while the songs are in different tempo.
The kick is fck SICK !
People out front don't realize that it doesn't sound the same back stage...or on stage
Which song is that
This isn’t what every band dose. Some have a coach that tells what section is coming it’s a personal preference thing
This makes me hate that I threw out my whammy once it got glitchy in early 2000’s
Everyone hating on the click. I just don't get it. Metronomes have been used for 500 years. The conductor of a symphony orchestra is also like a click track.
My band is on ears and I can't stand not playing with a click in my ears. Keeps every so tight and clean
The drummer is also the click, you can still be tight without being robotic, I wouldn't want to hear a click, just the instruments/musicians im playing along side and im good.
I would go crazy listening to a click like that….. there needs to be a bit of freedom to it, having it that scheduled would suck to me and I can’t imagine doing that night after night on tour. It’s bad enough already playing the same shit repeatedly.
Yeah metronomes have been used for 500 to practice to not to perform to. Big difference.
Furthermore classical music has free flowing and breathing smooth tempo modulation to enhance the emotional impact of the music. The conductor does what a click track never could. Technically you could program it but why on earth would you??.
Classical and jazz music doesn't do it.
Most Funk & r&b doesn't do it and the most skilled progressive bands don't do it.
There is a place for click tracks on certain situations but if you're doing it with everything it's retractive.
Fuck click tracks