14 Mr OLYMPIAS... Did you all hear that ??? healthy , Yes he is healthy , because he is SMART...USE don't ABUSE.. Thanks again great champion and friend for training me that was the best workout I've ever had... You challenged me pushed me and I took on your challenge... That's why we respect each other so much... Please book me for another session in 2 weeks .Great Champion Shawn Ray.. On crowned Mr. Olympia 1994.. Boom there I said it... It's the truth
@@jeffmorabito10 personal responsibility. Even if a doctor prescribes something and you got doubts, what good is blaming the doctor when you dead? Like this vax these weirdos keep pushing. They say it's safe, but people have had adverse reactions. So if you take it, you got no one to blame but yourself.
There are people in the bodybuilding industry who are so wrapped up in this microcosm of what the sport has done for them that they find themselves scared to criticise any negative parts of it, Shawn shoots straight.
Glad to see you amen I have stopped bodybuilding but I followed you for years from about 2015 -2019 and I always respected you very much and leaned more towards your perspective good to see you still sharing ideas
I praise the eloquence and above all the courage of Shawn Ray to put his finger on the wound that is in plain view. It's a shame we don't see more athletes warning about this. Professional and amateur bodybuilding has been formatted for pseudo-dependence on this type of leeches (gurus). It's heartbreakingly ridiculous to see the two hosts gulping and trying to pass through the raindrops as if their bread and butter weren't drug prescription/advice
Instagram and people becoming coaches all within the last 10 years really made the drug thing bigger. It was always there but now it's just 50x bigger than it was. Shawn is right but unfortunately i don't think his words are going to make an impact
They could possibly be if enough women and the family's of the girls that died went to the police. If they paid these so called gurus and these gurus gave them the protocols wich they did they could be held accountable.
Shawn is cool but God he's arrogant, speaks over everyone , he's right no matter what. He seems smart but he makes it difficult to like him. Let others give some input and respect what they think.
He does come across that way, but I feel like he is very emotional (in a good way heart is in the right place) when it comes to this topic and it shows . Generally he is cool (not that I know him personally) but watch a lot of his interviews
I understand what you're saying about dietitians Shawn but to be honest 98% of registered dietitians don't know how to get a bodybuilder in contest shape . I would also like to know who is qualified to recommend steroid use for competition.
Let me get this straight, most gurus aren't bodybuilders nor doctors. Give me one reason to listen to anyone of these experimental lab rats with opinions on what I should take as an athlete? 🤔
So what is Shawn's take on today's events? This tragedy with George Peterson's passing is really going to open a can of worms. Clearly something went sideways sadly and an athlete in the Prime of his career passed.
Docs can be wrong to look at Pianas last Doctor visit for insulin. Just saying let other guys speak Shawn . Ok Shawn what was your cycle btw? And your conclusion why and how much you took? Spread the blame! Judging, Ifbb, Npc! ??
solution is simple. Hire an impartial, unbiased doctor not from the bodybuilding world meet with every athlete 1 week out and then 1 day out. he has FINAL say if said athlete is healthy enough to compete.
Genetics plays a huge role in size and hardness. Everyone else is overdoing it trying to obtain what so few can. Everyone wants to be like those people and it's just not possible. No one can get lean enough now because it's not just muscle anymore. It's site injection oil
I don't like how he is cutting Ameen down saying he is glazed over . He kind of saved the guys life with the salt ! Ameen you need to do more of these . Explain the "safer" way people can do things and the dangers with each diuretic would be a really really good video for you to do ! Share the knowledge !
No matter what the process is experimental at best. Trial & Error is the only way to learn what's good or not. No way around it in moderation of course. There's no script or blue book.
that guy literally said that reading books don't give you knowledge and you have to figure it out yourself. I am not defending the "gurus", but I do have a medical degree and unless you go over the research and educate yourself on the specific topics in question that degree is useless in bodybuilding. Also where is the Mr.Olympia without a coach? Not in this video.
In today's world of misinformation, people will be misguided regardless if they are doing research on their own. I think the safest would be to get a personal doctor telling you risk / reward for a protocol. I don't think most are going to do that. Most will do whatever they want and through a guru.
Amen- "good, smart, responsible" guru's are still breaking the law. If you are not a doctor, you may not prescribe medication. Period. Even when you have disclaimers on everything saying 'I am not a doctor, this is my opinion, etc.' Right after that you prescribe medication. Just say 'I can't help you, I am not a doctor.' Problem solved
Problems is then they (guru) don’t get ££, to be brutally honest it’s better to learn on your own and understand what works for u, however it takes time and time is very limited when trying to climb the ranks of the body building world 🌎
Why can't you let those that question it know your cycle? If it's a low dosed cycle and you announce it, you could potentially save a lot of peoples health.
My boy shawn is right. I had to take a guy off everything his coach had him on. He had zits and no muscle. It's not a good thing! We worked out and ate. The other stuff should be minimal!!
I spent I soent 10 years post graduate in medical schooling, training, residency and close to $300k. I'm risking my medical license on anyone! I will never advise anyone on how to abuse medication.
Yeah but shawn was taking gear, what advice was he taking? he was taking a risk. Same for Haney, Yates, when your chasing the guy ahead of you - your going to push the envelope, little bit more. 1996 arnold classic which he won, or Levrone won, Shawn definitely took insulin, he was full blown like a balloon. Lots of bodybuilders in the 70's, 80's, 90's died. I don' think you can blame guru's or coaches, they are not entirely to blame. Drugs are part of the sport.
I'm conflicted because he figured if he did it the right way which I guess is the same as everybody else maybe he took last but he still took drugs he thought that it would pay back and it didn't. He's a sour rude bald little men
So Shawn must of been born knowing about gear then...... He talks as if he never asked anyone about steroid use as a kid. Plus unless he made the stuff himself, where did he even get his 'secret, personal' stuff from??? He does talk sense but sometimes overdoes the moral high ground.
Disagree. There’s a profound difference between discovering what works for you personally and applying it and presenting oneself as a self appointed expert that guides and often exploits others. No moral high ground here just self containment and education.
@@deangarratt4965 Totally agree but my point is at some point Shawn must of either been approached by, or approached a 'drug dealer' or 'guru' at some point and continued to do so throughout his career to access his cycles. And I like and respect what he did during his career, just think he sometimes discards, or writes himself out of certain scenarios to make points that's all. I'm 51 so my introduction to bodybuilding was Haney, Mentzer etc during the Eighties and if I was that kid today the sport wound't interest me one bit from the way the competitors look right down to everyone being famous and so called ambassadors with 'USE CODE ...' to their 10k followers on social media,
@@wombatsyoutube We're the same age. And like you I'm not really a fan of the current context, preferring instead a throwback to the halcyon days of the 1970s and 1980s. I saw Shawn in seminar just 5 days following his pro debut in 1988. I've been a fan since and also of some of his contemporaries: Labrada, Paris, Bannout and Benfatto. In response to your main point I think it was easy back then to access gear if that was your preference. It wouldn't have required associating with a 'guru', as such, and the 'wrap around advice' but simply knowing someone from whom to obtain the relevant drugs. This, in my view, is completely different from presenting oneself a pharmacological expert and educator to others.
I talk from a place of personal experience. You think my journey had to have others directing me? Where are they? Who are they? Why aren't they saying something or taking credit for my body of work? Things that make you go Hmmmmm😵💫
@@sugarshawnray My point was regarding how and why you first used/accessed synthetics Shawn. Not even saying it's wrong as I used them and competed as a 20 yr old. The difference was you were in the .0001% of folk who could actually make it as a real Pro bodybuilder, which today because of these 'gurus' and internet coaches is distorted to the point athletes come third in a local show and behave like they qualified for the Olympia due to the my coach said this culture! It's as crazy over here and anyone can become qualified within 6 weeks by passing a generic online course. Back then we (in UK) had very limited access to this info so even then somebody had to ask somebody for advice. All I'm saying is at some point Shawn you must of got some kind of advice then sourced the compounds. Fair play for speaking out tho, you have NEVER been shy of standing you ground and that's what today's world is lacking.
@@sugarshawnray Shawn I want to ask you a question. Please and I mean this with respecting this is an honest question. Why are you so salty? For instance I saw a video with Nick Walker. Childhood tragedy or something that was to him very very important than you disrespected him by talking over him and asking him ignoring what he was saying and asking him when the weights came in? Like with no care or sympathy or any like for anyone that was bigger than you and your career or someone that you thinks is maybe abusing Peds I don't really know please answer if you can I'd love to hear it. It's a shame that one of the greatest greatest bodybuilders of all time and yes you're up there with some of the greatest come off like such a jerk at times
Shawn is a bitter old bodybuilder that never won the Mr O. Chad Nichols is that GREATEST bodybuilding coach ever! The people he coaches a grown men and women, he doesn't force them to take drugs! He just gives them a program to follow and the decision is there's to follow it or not!
If Chad is the greatest why hasn't he won any competitions himself? A police officer who read some books took a load juice himself made some gains quick doesn't qualify as greatest. The athletes who he's "coached" would have been just as good without him but still alive!
Shawn has being repeating this message for years. I have and will continue to respect this great legend for standing up for what is right and just.
14 Mr OLYMPIAS... Did you all hear that ??? healthy , Yes he is healthy , because he is SMART...USE don't ABUSE.. Thanks again great champion and friend for training me that was the best workout I've ever had... You challenged me pushed me and I took on your challenge... That's why we respect each other so much... Please book me for another session in 2 weeks .Great Champion Shawn Ray.. On crowned Mr. Olympia 1994.. Boom there I said it... It's the truth
I agree totally coaches need to be held accountable!!!!
Nope. Take responsibility for your own actions.
@@rockon8174 to a certain degree coaches play the biggest part cause they are supposed to be the so called expert
@@jeffmorabito10 personal responsibility. Even if a doctor prescribes something and you got doubts, what good is blaming the doctor when you dead? Like this vax these weirdos keep pushing. They say it's safe, but people have had adverse reactions. So if you take it, you got no one to blame but yourself.
There are people in the bodybuilding industry who are so wrapped up in this microcosm of what the sport has done for them that they find themselves scared to criticise any negative parts of it, Shawn shoots straight.
It takes alot of Courage to stand up the way Shawn Ray is right now!! Speaking for those who can't for themselves
Shawn Ray is absolutely awesome tells it like it is and he is a legend in this sport!!!! All those Olympia appearances amazing!!!💪💪💪❤🙏
Doesn't let anyone get a word in edge wise though.
There's so many people that need to hear this!!!
Well said Shawn. You're doing the right thing. Keep going!
This whole discussion does make sense and need more like this 💯
Ray has all the clout here. 12 straight years in the Olympia top 5. He always nailed his conditioning.
Glad to see you amen I have stopped bodybuilding but I followed you for years from about 2015 -2019 and I always respected you very much and leaned more towards your perspective good to see you still sharing ideas
Shawn is humble person. Like here he want nothing but best for us. Not big and ugly in your face. Big and strong still. Keep it up buddy
I praise the eloquence and above all the courage of Shawn Ray to put his finger on the wound that is in plain view. It's a shame we don't see more athletes warning about this. Professional and amateur bodybuilding has been formatted for pseudo-dependence on this type of leeches (gurus). It's heartbreakingly ridiculous to see the two hosts gulping and trying to pass through the raindrops as if their bread and butter weren't drug prescription/advice
Agree
Like him or not, Shawn's spot on with this.
Instagram and people becoming coaches all within the last 10 years really made the drug thing bigger. It was always there but now it's just 50x bigger than it was. Shawn is right but unfortunately i don't think his words are going to make an impact
I love how he disses Nick whatever his name is lololol
Great video - respect to Shawn Ray for this message
Shawn is spot on ... these "Coaches" need to be charged with involuntary manslaughter at the very least. So many shady fn ppl in this sport ...
They could possibly be if enough women and the family's of the girls that died went to the police. If they paid these so called gurus and these gurus gave them the protocols wich they did they could be held accountable.
We’re all going to be saying Shawn Rey was right all along when the late 90s and 2000s bodybuilders start dropping like flies
Is Shawn lowkey bashing Dave Palumbo in this??
Shawn is the FEDS: he is batting 💯 95% of the time 💪🏿💪🏾💪🏽💪🏼💪🏻💪
I think these legal supplements ( nox , creatine, fat burners ) need a looking at also rather they work or not .
@guraAmeen, I want to hear your view more
Would really like to visit the hall of fame Shawn keeps talking about, where is it?
Pittsburg
Go gettem Shawn
If an athlete is fragile then he ought not compete
Keep calling these ..... out.
Accountability not entitlement!
Shawn ray is having some good things also in life
Shawns heated ! 👊🔨
Much respect to Shawn ray👏
Shawn is cool but God he's arrogant, speaks over everyone , he's right no matter what. He seems smart but he makes it difficult to like him. Let others give some input and respect what they think.
He does come across that way, but I feel like he is very emotional (in a good way heart is in the right place) when it comes to this topic and it shows . Generally he is cool (not that I know him personally) but watch a lot of his interviews
@@1871kwame1 yea mayeb
Shawn is 100pct right
Shelby is a millionare . he shoulda paid full
I like Shawn but mannnnn, he is synical to compare himself to everyone and throwing shade.
Calm down 🙄
Who was the trainer for the woman that died?
I understand what you're saying about dietitians Shawn but to be honest 98% of registered dietitians don't know how to get a bodybuilder in contest shape . I would also like to know who is qualified to recommend steroid use for competition.
Let me get this straight, most gurus aren't bodybuilders nor doctors. Give me one reason to listen to anyone of these experimental lab rats with opinions on what I should take as an athlete? 🤔
Hahaha, true
Never taught masturbation's had anything to do with bodybuilding!
Shawn bought his glasses at Home Depot.
Close, keep going 🥸
He has an eye condition he always wears glasses even indoors
Shawn Ray is the truth. Period
So what is Shawn's take on today's events? This tragedy with George Peterson's passing is really going to open a can of worms. Clearly something went sideways sadly and an athlete in the Prime of his career passed.
Docs can be wrong to look at Pianas last Doctor visit for insulin. Just saying let other guys speak Shawn . Ok Shawn what was your cycle btw? And your conclusion why and how much you took? Spread the blame! Judging, Ifbb, Npc! ??
Chad Nicole's has 20 Olympia titles. Who's fault is it!?
Trickadilly, trickonometry
Fentynal Floyd
solution is simple. Hire an impartial, unbiased doctor not from the bodybuilding world meet with every athlete 1 week out and then 1 day out. he has FINAL say if said athlete is healthy enough to compete.
People make their choices of the help they seek...noone is forcing them to take what they are told to take.
Genetics plays a huge role in size and hardness. Everyone else is overdoing it trying to obtain what so few can. Everyone wants to be like those people and it's just not possible. No one can get lean enough now because it's not just muscle anymore. It's site injection oil
I don't like how he is cutting Ameen down saying he is glazed over . He kind of saved the guys life with the salt !
Ameen you need to do more of these . Explain the "safer" way people can do things and the dangers with each diuretic would be a really really good video for you to do ! Share the knowledge !
You don’t have to like it, but you will take it.
not a shawn ray fan but he is not wrong here. not worth dying for a $20.00 trophy and 1,000 dollar prize money
Shawn is making many valid points but in relation to taking steroids trail in error probably wouldn't be wise though.
No matter what the process is experimental at best. Trial & Error is the only way to learn what's good or not. No way around it in moderation of course. There's no script or blue book.
that guy literally said that reading books don't give you knowledge and you have to figure it out yourself. I am not defending the "gurus", but I do have a medical degree and unless you go over the research and educate yourself on the specific topics in question that degree is useless in bodybuilding. Also where is the Mr.Olympia without a coach? Not in this video.
I think the fight we having is with u here. Shawn ray wants yo make mpney how mich u like shawn ray
In today's world of misinformation, people will be misguided regardless if they are doing research on their own. I think the safest would be to get a personal doctor telling you risk / reward for a protocol. I don't think most are going to do that. Most will do whatever they want and through a guru.
Amen- "good, smart, responsible" guru's are still breaking the law. If you are not a doctor, you may not prescribe medication. Period. Even when you have disclaimers on everything saying 'I am not a doctor, this is my opinion, etc.' Right after that you prescribe medication. Just say 'I can't help you, I am not a doctor.' Problem solved
Problems is then they (guru) don’t get ££, to be brutally honest it’s better to learn on your own and understand what works for u, however it takes time and time is very limited when trying to climb the ranks of the body building world 🌎
Your physique was one of the greatest BUT shut up shawn ray
Ok, we will listen to you with your vast wealth of knowledge 😵💫
Shawn Ray is
"Numero Uno"!
Why can't you let those that question it know your cycle? If it's a low dosed cycle and you announce it, you could potentially save a lot of peoples health.
Sure, right after you share your Tax Records with us so we know how much money you make. 🤔
@@sugarshawnray Nobody benefits from knowing how much money you make. Would people benefit from knowing your steroid cycle? Yes.
My boy shawn is right. I had to take a guy off everything his coach had him on. He had zits and no muscle. It's not a good thing! We worked out and ate. The other stuff should be minimal!!
Live ray. Awesome.brain
A d killer body uild. Ine of the best physique in.all.of b history. Should easily be a mr.olympia its wrong he never was
Some coaches need to be up on Murder charges.
Theres a good info baut this sport than ameen
It's really bad when he's like that. He just confused everyone
And a couple weeks after George Peterson died. Shawn is right.
IFBB gonna get RICO'd, and I ain't talkin' McClinton..
I spent I soent 10 years post graduate in medical schooling, training, residency and close to $300k. I'm risking my medical license on anyone! I will never advise anyone on how to abuse medication.
Obviously if u still here shwan didnt duck u ovee with his powers lol
Yeah but shawn was taking gear, what advice was he taking? he was taking a risk. Same for Haney, Yates, when your chasing the guy ahead of you - your going to push the envelope, little bit more.
1996 arnold classic which he won, or Levrone won, Shawn definitely took insulin, he was full blown like a balloon.
Lots of bodybuilders in the 70's, 80's, 90's died. I don' think you can blame guru's or coaches, they are not entirely to blame.
Drugs are part of the sport.
I'm conflicted because he figured if he did it the right way which I guess is the same as everybody else maybe he took last but he still took drugs he thought that it would pay back and it didn't. He's a sour rude bald little men
I've been called worse but I'll play along. Is there a question in your statement? Lol
Can you say "Hall of Fame?" 😎
This guy is protected and so long what he does. We heare it here. And see what how hes dead
Waiting for Nick's reaction vid
Shawn Ray calls it like it is!
wow Shawn is 1000%
Shawn is %100 right 🤨 these damme noobs coaches are killing people left and right ☠ is time to do something about it
I love shawn ray ❤️
I have a drunk 49.00 shawn ray is of the loop
This is all Bostins fault lol
Shawnbucks coffee
I know u dont mean it u want views.
OMG, so hard to get a word in, wow, so aggressively opinionated!
So Shawn must of been born knowing about gear then...... He talks as if he never asked anyone about steroid use as a kid. Plus unless he made the stuff himself, where did he even get his 'secret, personal' stuff from??? He does talk sense but sometimes overdoes the moral high ground.
Disagree. There’s a profound difference between discovering what works for you personally and applying it and presenting oneself as a self appointed expert that guides and often exploits others. No moral high ground here just self containment and education.
@@deangarratt4965 Totally agree but my point is at some point Shawn must of either been approached by, or approached a 'drug dealer' or 'guru' at some point and continued to do so throughout his career to access his cycles. And I like and respect what he did during his career, just think he sometimes discards, or writes himself out of certain scenarios to make points that's all. I'm 51 so my introduction to bodybuilding was Haney, Mentzer etc during the Eighties and if I was that kid today the sport wound't interest me one bit from the way the competitors look right down to everyone being famous and so called ambassadors with 'USE CODE ...' to their 10k followers on social media,
@@wombatsyoutube We're the same age. And like you I'm not really a fan of the current context, preferring instead a throwback to the halcyon days of the 1970s and 1980s. I saw Shawn in seminar just 5 days following his pro debut in 1988. I've been a fan since and also of some of his contemporaries: Labrada, Paris, Bannout and Benfatto. In response to your main point I think it was easy back then to access gear if that was your preference. It wouldn't have required associating with a 'guru', as such, and the 'wrap around advice' but simply knowing someone from whom to obtain the relevant drugs. This, in my view, is completely different from presenting oneself a pharmacological expert and educator to others.
I talk from a place of personal experience. You think my journey had to have others directing me? Where are they? Who are they? Why aren't they saying something or taking credit for my body of work? Things that make you go Hmmmmm😵💫
@@sugarshawnray My point was regarding how and why you first used/accessed synthetics Shawn. Not even saying it's wrong as I used them and competed as a 20 yr old. The difference was you were in the .0001% of folk who could actually make it as a real Pro bodybuilder, which today because of these 'gurus' and internet coaches is distorted to the point athletes come third in a local show and behave like they qualified for the Olympia due to the my coach said this culture! It's as crazy over here and anyone can become qualified within 6 weeks by passing a generic online course. Back then we (in UK) had very limited access to this info so even then somebody had to ask somebody for advice. All I'm saying is at some point Shawn you must of got some kind of advice then sourced the compounds. Fair play for speaking out tho, you have NEVER been shy of standing you ground and that's what today's world is lacking.
Chad Nichols is the greatest coach ever!
Get rid of this view of your front page
Guy who didnt got tho trwches. Hes the one who lies. Show him out its simple his the lie. He doenst care
Did u use drugs shawn?
I failed a Drug Test so you tell me. 🤔
@@sugarshawnray Shawn I want to ask you a question. Please and I mean this with respecting this is an honest question. Why are you so salty? For instance I saw a video with Nick Walker. Childhood tragedy or something that was to him very very important than you disrespected him by talking over him and asking him ignoring what he was saying and asking him when the weights came in? Like with no care or sympathy or any like for anyone that was bigger than you and your career or someone that you thinks is maybe abusing Peds I don't really know please answer if you can I'd love to hear it. It's a shame that one of the greatest greatest bodybuilders of all time and yes you're up there with some of the greatest come off like such a jerk at times
I'm not going to be the one who says hard drunk are good for your .. mother. Do Shawn's fu
Shawn is a bitter old bodybuilder that never won the Mr O. Chad Nichols is that GREATEST bodybuilding coach ever! The people he coaches a grown men and women, he doesn't force them to take drugs! He just gives them a program to follow and the decision is there's to follow it or not!
Dr Death please take a Bow 😵💫
If Chad is the greatest why hasn't he won any competitions himself?
A police officer who read some books took a load juice himself made some gains quick doesn't qualify as greatest.
The athletes who he's "coached" would have been just as good without him but still alive!
Chad Nicholls next dead body will put him in jail. I am guessing this Egyptian is on borrowed time
Based Shawn.