Hey there Driver. So glad you took the time to drop by to catch today's upload. Have you ever driven the Coke? Love to hear your opinion on the ride and your experiences.
I've only been trucking for about a year and a half, and sometimes I find it frustrating when far more experienced drivers have negative attitudes toward newbies, especially the trucks we drive, since we don't have a lot of choices in the training we receive or the equipment we get to use. But then, when I see videos like this one it gives me a renewed sense of respect for what it means for you highly seasoned drivers, just imagining all that you've been through and how frustrating it must be to see the ways in which the industry has changed. When you said 18 percent grade, my jaw dropped and it made me realize how little I know about mountain driving!! Thanks for the great insights and stories!! I never miss your videos.
Yes, indeed the industry has changed..... some things have improved, while other things, not so much so. Mountain driving is nothing to take lightly. Thanks for the kind words. Stay safe out there. Always.
That is exactly how I go downhill as well, Dave. Put it in Jake break and if I have to use the mechanical brakes I tap them gently and release them right away tap them again release them, etc. etc. so as to not build up too much heat. Even 80,000 pounds, I have never had a problem using that approach to go downhill.
One of the reasons i put the Web vented drums & 23k block shoes on my 1996 W900L With fresh set of Haldex slack adjusters & new air hoses to all 30/30 brake chambers out back & new on the steers. Fresh cartridge in my trusty AD9 dryer. And keep a fresh pack of common sense on every trip 🤣👍🏿
I drive the coq 4 days a week. One of the main problems with that Hill is that the snow shed to the top seems to be the main snow line. So the steepest part of the hill gets the most snow. And it's wet snow most of the time. One solution would be to run the snow shed to the top. As for going down, most guys smoke their brakes not on the main hill but the next steep one about halfway down box canyon. I've seen many a burnt truck in the pull-out at the bottom.
I'm an American from the state of Virginia and I drive through the Appalachian mountains alot! And no doubt the mountains are nowhere near as big as the mountains in Canada or the West Coast of America but even out here I drive slow! Don't ever underestimate nature!
Have driven up and down all three in Canada frequently. West bound to LA the first time having been we'll versed with Canada mountains I had woken, climbed out of bunk. As we topped on the four lane I asked co driver when we where going to hit the Donner. Co driver said: That was it. I just laughed 6% grade. Try snow patched, no lines on 2 Lane rd 12-18% for miles & miles 😂
Great video !!! Love #1 and # 3. The thing you left out is you probably did it back then with a NTC 350 or 8V92 if you’re lucky a 400 Cat with 1450 FP of torque. If you were a big straper you hade a V8 Cat. Todays trucks have to much power for the skills of today’s drivers. If you gave all these new guys 318 there would be less accidents. It’s harder to get in trouble going down hill in first gear.
Excellent advice as usual, Dave. I have always been astounded at how many drivers do not know how to descend a mountain properly. Your life (and the lives of others) can literally depend on your skills at doing this the right way. I learned on the Grapevine, Donner Pass, and Cabbage. All different grades with their own respective set of challenges.
I run Ontario out to BC all the time. The Coq is overhyped. I always say, if you're smart the Coq is easy as pie. It only gets dangerous when drivers have improper training or don't have much common sense. I'll take the Coq all day over Hwy 3 in the winter 3 is a nightmare. Beautiful in the summer tho.
True statement on the speed and Jake. The old Jacobs book from the 60’s advised you could safely descend a grade without service brakes a gear higher than what you pulled the grade. That was true for probably up to about the time the KT 450 came out. The increased power levels did away with that plan as you could pull way faster than a safe descent speed. First thing my old man said about driving the mountains, “ You can go down the grades too slow you’re whole life but, you can only go down too fast once” to your point.
Complacency is probably the #1 cause of accidents - something they should have taken into account beforehand. I've seen that highway thru hell many times. Very interesting.
Yes, hauled a B-train loaded with lead from Cominco Mines to Port Coquitlam. My normal runs were usually interlined with Mairs Transport. I was in the States with Allstate Transport.
I drove over-the-road cross-country, coast to coast, border to border in the States for 15 years before retiring in 1988. Appreciate your perspective on the profession. Thanks, Dave
Dave, it’s probably not but the roads are not any safer, it is the delusion of the idiots that use that road that think that that multilane Road means that they can drive at a higher speed than port is safe
Try logging in Vancouver island gets relatively steep but there’s not really a winter but it pays terrible compared to logging in the norther half of BC or just trucking in norther BC
Yeah setting off smaller avalanches that can mostly control to prevent the big ones that well just wufff is pretty common they do that in WA along I-90 as well. Like water snow compresses, but water will flow around you once compression is done, snow on the other hand will effectively turn n2 ice trapping you... very deadly.
I don't remember if it was B.C, Or up in the Yukon, but I went down a hill came around the first curve. First sign said 9% grade. Next curve was 12% grade with a hair pin switch back. It wasn't a long grade, but definitely didn't rush it. There was a beautiful lake at the bottom and the snow plow let me go by. Then pulled out and followed me. Lol
So true!! Highway thru hell did the same thing with discovery Channel. Watching and then moved from the Netherlands I was full adrenaline to drive this mountain. But its only difficult when it's snowing hard. Agree. The inexperienced drivers makes these roads unsafe.
I learned a trick that a lot seam to ignore I watch the ditch line .frost on the road and ditch and ice crystals will flash at you from your headlights mean usally ice on the road
i drive the coke every week and 99% of the crashes are speed related and most of them are guys from the middle east and india. who never seen snow in there lives
hey Dave just came across this video, have you ever heard of the million dollar hwy. I experienced that hwy last year in a truck. Very scenic but not for the week.
O ya i remember that pass I was still young but an old driver had trained me so as soon as i saw that pass and how steep it was I put her in low range and putted down that pass .I got laughed at by everyone on the C.B. but when i got to the bottom there were 2 truckers and 1 policeman waiting i got pulled over and was thinking what did i do wrong .turns out they all had a bet on when i would loose my brakes .The truckers shook there heads and left the officer shook my hand and said thanks and handed me 20 dollars .He had won the bet .
Is it any wonder today with the stupid automatic trucks that will actually upshift if they sense too much of an over speed. It’s better to have an 18 speed with a real jake brake, not a sissy exhaust brake. Because we don’t have real trucks today we have real accidents and deaths.
lol werners not going to pay his fine they pay below min wage and nickle and dime u for anything they can i had to sign out towels for a shower there haha and u better make sure u have your straps to turn in when u leave the company lol
True statement on the speed and Jake. The old Jacobs book from the 60’s advised you could safely descend a grade without service brakes a gear higher than what you pulled the grade. That was true for probably up to about the time the KT 450 came out. The increased power levels did away with that plan as you could pull way faster than a safe descent speed. First thing my old man said about driving the mountains, “ You can go down the grades too slow you’re whole life but, you can only go down too fast once” to your point.
Hey there Driver. So glad you took the time to drop by to catch today's upload. Have you ever driven the Coke? Love to hear your opinion on the ride and your experiences.
THE goto guy for trucking.Thanks for all the info and stories too!
I've only been trucking for about a year and a half, and sometimes I find it frustrating when far more experienced drivers have negative attitudes toward newbies, especially the trucks we drive, since we don't have a lot of choices in the training we receive or the equipment we get to use. But then, when I see videos like this one it gives me a renewed sense of respect for what it means for you highly seasoned drivers, just imagining all that you've been through and how frustrating it must be to see the ways in which the industry has changed. When you said 18 percent grade, my jaw dropped and it made me realize how little I know about mountain driving!!
Thanks for the great insights and stories!! I never miss your videos.
Yes, indeed the industry has changed..... some things have improved, while other things, not so much so. Mountain driving is nothing to take lightly. Thanks for the kind words. Stay safe out there. Always.
That is exactly how I go downhill as well, Dave. Put it in Jake break and if I have to use the mechanical brakes I tap them gently and release them right away tap them again release them, etc. etc. so as to not build up too much heat. Even 80,000 pounds, I have never had a problem using that approach to go downhill.
One of the reasons i put the Web vented drums & 23k block shoes on my 1996 W900L With fresh set of Haldex slack adjusters & new air hoses to all 30/30 brake chambers out back & new on the steers. Fresh cartridge in my trusty AD9 dryer. And keep a fresh pack of common sense on every trip 🤣👍🏿
I drive the coq 4 days a week. One of the main problems with that Hill is that the snow shed to the top seems to be the main snow line. So the steepest part of the hill gets the most snow. And it's wet snow most of the time. One solution would be to run the snow shed to the top. As for going down, most guys smoke their brakes not on the main hill but the next steep one about halfway down box canyon. I've seen many a burnt truck in the pull-out at the bottom.
I'm an American from the state of Virginia and I drive through the Appalachian mountains alot!
And no doubt the mountains are nowhere near as big as the mountains in Canada or the West Coast of America but even out here I drive slow!
Don't ever underestimate nature!
Have driven up and down all three in Canada frequently. West bound to LA the first time having been we'll versed with Canada mountains I had woken, climbed out of bunk. As we topped on the four lane I asked co driver when we where going to hit the Donner. Co driver said: That was it.
I just laughed 6% grade.
Try snow patched, no lines on 2 Lane rd 12-18% for miles & miles 😂
Thank you for introducing linefinder am so excited 😊 to get job easily.
Another thing to remember about driving in those mountains... it can snow at any time of the year. Trust me, I've seen it.
Great video !!! Love #1 and # 3. The thing you left out is you probably did it back then with a NTC 350 or 8V92 if you’re lucky a 400 Cat with 1450 FP of torque.
If you were a big straper you hade a V8 Cat. Todays trucks have to much power for the skills of today’s drivers. If you gave all these new guys 318 there would be less accidents. It’s harder to get in trouble going down hill in first gear.
I'm not a trucker but I LOVE your videos!
Extremely interesting!
Another great video thanks for doing them safe travels
Well said dave.
Excellent advice as usual, Dave. I have always been astounded at how many drivers do not know how to descend a mountain properly. Your life (and the lives of others) can literally depend on your skills at doing this the right way. I learned on the Grapevine, Donner Pass, and Cabbage. All different grades with their own respective set of challenges.
Well said!
I run Ontario out to BC all the time. The Coq is overhyped. I always say, if you're smart the Coq is easy as pie. It only gets dangerous when drivers have improper training or don't have much common sense. I'll take the Coq all day over Hwy 3 in the winter 3 is a nightmare. Beautiful in the summer tho.
True statement on the speed and Jake. The old Jacobs book from the 60’s advised you could safely descend a grade without service brakes a gear higher than what you pulled the grade. That was true for probably up to about the time the KT 450 came out. The increased power levels did away with that plan as you could pull way faster than a safe descent speed.
First thing my old man said about driving the mountains, “ You can go down the grades too slow you’re whole life but, you can only go down too fast once” to your point.
I love the stories Dave!
Complacency is probably the #1 cause of accidents - something they should have taken into account beforehand. I've seen that highway thru hell many times. Very interesting.
Yes, hauled a B-train loaded with lead from Cominco Mines to Port Coquitlam. My normal runs were usually interlined with Mairs Transport. I was in the States with Allstate Transport.
Awesome video, Dave👍👍👍
I drove over-the-road cross-country, coast to coast, border to border in the States for 15 years before retiring in 1988. Appreciate your perspective on the profession. Thanks, Dave
Dave, it’s probably not but the roads are not any safer, it is the delusion of the idiots that use that road that think that that multilane Road means that they can drive at a higher speed than port is safe
Great video I drive those highways, highway 3 has steep climbs leaving Hope and Osoyoos
Try logging in Vancouver island gets relatively steep but there’s not really a winter but it pays terrible compared to logging in the norther half of BC or just trucking in norther BC
Really educational video, I ran that route for last 3 years and everything you are saying is very good learning for every driver.
I've seen a whole lot of drivers blow right past brake-check areas. Those that do stop don't get out and actually do a proper check.
Good thing you didn’t have to drive number two, Dave
Yeah setting off smaller avalanches that can mostly control to prevent the big ones that well just wufff is pretty common they do that in WA along I-90 as well. Like water snow compresses, but water will flow around you once compression is done, snow on the other hand will effectively turn n2 ice trapping you... very deadly.
Water doesn't compress
I had fun in the mountains when I was OTR
Dude you owe him a lifetime supply of beer!
Very high quality content 👍🏻👍🏻
One line at a time
I don't remember if it was B.C, Or up in the Yukon, but I went down a hill came around the first curve. First sign said 9% grade. Next curve was 12% grade with a hair pin switch back. It wasn't a long grade, but definitely didn't rush it. There was a beautiful lake at the bottom and the snow plow let me go by. Then pulled out and followed me. Lol
Great story
The main thing that makes that road so dangerous is the “new Canadians” from India and other places driving on it.
Not to sound like an asshole I wholeheartedly agree with you
Raj and his cousins are causing havoc everywhere. In Australia we call them bhut bhut ding dings
So true!! Highway thru hell did the same thing with discovery Channel. Watching and then moved from the Netherlands I was full adrenaline to drive this mountain. But its only difficult when it's snowing hard. Agree. The inexperienced drivers makes these roads unsafe.
It was the old CP rail line that CP abandoned. Built in a hurry for the Olympics.
The road itself is inherently dangerous.
Australia is fucked because of them, they have ruined a once proud industry.
I learned a trick that a lot seam to ignore I watch the ditch line .frost on the road and ditch and ice crystals will flash at you from your headlights mean usally ice on the road
i drive the coke every week and 99% of the crashes are speed related and most of them are guys from the middle east and india. who never seen snow in there lives
Great info for all drivers thank you!
hey Dave just came across this video, have you ever heard of the million dollar hwy. I experienced that hwy last year in a truck. Very scenic but not for the week.
Just like Cabbage, Donner and hwy 50 in Colorado
I charge more for loads going through mountains. Need to compensate for time and danger.
O ya i remember that pass I was still young but an old driver had trained me so as soon as i saw that pass and how steep it was I put her in low range and putted down that pass .I got laughed at by everyone on the C.B. but when i got to the bottom there were 2 truckers and 1 policeman waiting i got pulled over and was thinking what did i do wrong .turns out they all had a bet on when i would loose my brakes .The truckers shook there heads and left the officer shook my hand and said thanks and handed me 20 dollars .He had won the bet .
These super highway s creates super truckers 3:32 yup
Found a 17% grade hill in Tokyo on vacation....I don't even want to know how the local delivery vans handle it.
good stuff for the brain! ❤❤
What type of camera do you have?
You can only go down the mountain to fast once.
NO BRAKES, ALL JAKES!
RATATATATATATATATATATATTTTT, BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMM. POP POP POPPIPITY POPOP!!!!
Why doesn't more trucker's make a bigger deal out of the fact that the DOT exempt livestock haulers from using ELDs because they were unsat
modern trucking: uphill slow, downhill fast. Tonnage first, safety last
I thought it was built for the expo 86
nobody seems 2 mention the real hiway through hell , the skyway
Is it any wonder today with the stupid automatic trucks that will actually upshift if they sense too much of an over speed. It’s better to have an 18 speed with a real jake brake, not a sissy exhaust brake. Because we don’t have real trucks today we have real accidents and deaths.
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Yikes 18% grades? 🥶
18% - really?
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lol werners not going to pay his fine they pay below min wage and nickle and dime u for anything they can i had to sign out towels for a shower there haha and u better make sure u have your straps to turn in when u leave the company lol
True statement on the speed and Jake. The old Jacobs book from the 60’s advised you could safely descend a grade without service brakes a gear higher than what you pulled the grade. That was true for probably up to about the time the KT 450 came out. The increased power levels did away with that plan as you could pull way faster than a safe descent speed.
First thing my old man said about driving the mountains, “ You can go down the grades too slow you’re whole life but, you can only go down too fast once” to your point.