From an IRL Boom Operator, your approach was great, and holding back where you were was appropriate by the book and heavy aircraft(C-17, C-130) will sit at the 500 ft aft position before being cleared to contact. In 15000 hours of flying I have seen very very few fighters use that position and they will stabilize about 25-50 feet behind and 10 ft below the boom. Big thing a lot of people don't realize, is how tense you get when you are refueling. your hands will get sore even in a sim. Also when you get about .5 on the TACAN, you would turn off your radar. The boom appreciates the ability to have children in the future.
Unfortunately GR doesn't do too many missions requiring AAR, so the muscle memory isnt quite there for many. Some of us however make a point of it, even if unnecessary, to keep the skills up. If I had my way there'd be more tanking - I even made a really cool campaign that at least at the start would require it.... but due to reasons I wont get into, its on indefinite hold.
@@TimberDCS You just have to get in the correct position first. I just get in position about 20-50 feet behind where the basket is going to be, or right behind the boom when I call in and it goes through 99% of the time.
I was surprised how active your throttle was. It was never still. I think that's my biggest issue is once I get stable, I forget the throttle thinking I am matched perfectly, but as you take fuel, you get heavier and must adjust accordingly. Keep that throttle jiggling! lol
So awesome! I remember getting stationed at RAF Mildenhall as my first base in the USAF and we went up in the tanker as part of our First Term Airman Center (FTAC) incentive flight and watched F-15's get refueled at night. nice!
@@Scimitar620 oh yeah it was amazing! Even tho the flight slipped and it was a night AR, it was one of the coolest things a new airmen can do at their first base
That was really well done given how new this airframe is to you. I really suck at refueling with the boom. Thankfully I will probably never need to given how much fuel this thing has.
Happened to me. On my 10+th failed attempt to refuel the F-18C, I was so angry with myself that I shot the tanker down. I discovered that if you do it, you lose all your progress and pilot stats.
Transfer rate for the F-15 in real life is 3000lb/min. 6000lb/min is for large aircraft like B-52 and other 'big wing' aircraft. In DCS however there is pretty much one flow rate.
In addition, the boom would be talking to you on the boom interphone 'through the boom' after contact. From the tanker side we have a flow gauge showing the ppm...after contact we would call "taking fuel" when we see a positive fuel flow...when you are full it goes down to zero, and the boom will call "No Flow, disconnect NOW." We don't say "Transfer complete." I refueled many a fully loaded Strike Eagle during Desert Storm; when fully loaded out they would usually have to crack an afterburner on one motor to hold position when they were getting full. One other tip: "Precontact" is stabilized position 50 feet behind the boom. For larger acft they are also on a 30 degree down angle from the boom. Very nice job, Cap!
The lights are horrendous they should be updated aside from the fact that ED should make FOV inside/outside of the cockpit an easily managable setting that you can turn as default.
Huh. I had no idea the guiding lights set in a strip that far forward. I had assumed them to be in the space immediately behind the boom operators pod. Incidentally, I love the videos in general. ..I would love to see videos wherein you fly B-52s and B-1s.
My understanding is the lighting system was originally designed for B-52s.... which was the primary driver of the tanker programs initially anyway. Hence why down/up light indicators are on the left, and forward/back (increase power/descrease power) are on the right... to match the flight controls of that aircraft.
I don’t understand how your jet just sits there nicely on the middle and mine is consistently veering off to the right. It’s impossible for me to ever hold the damn thing straight.
Loved the video @Grim Reapers! Can't wait for the next video man! Jets like the Strike Eagle are Gas Guzzlers so it'll take a Bit longer than you expect because your burning Fuel while also Taking on Fuel. Basically, if you're expecting to be refueling for about 1½ minutes, prepare for that to be about Twice as long just as a Precaution. Also, I think you've got the Conformal Fuel Tanks on the Sides of the Engine Intakes because I can see the Distinctive Bulge that it'll have compared to the Flat Sides of the Strike Eagles Fuselage. Can't wait for more Videos with the World War Two Assets Pack and World War Two Warships/Transport Ships Mods as well! You, the GR Crew as well as Camodo Gaming and Spycakes are due for an Operation on your Shoestrings in about 1 week.
thanks for the Tutorial, what curves would you suggest on a HOTAS Warthog. When I´m below the Tanker I cant maintain stable position as I always get up and down and cant settle
Thanks for sharing your video, but I have to ask you being that you used to use the x 56 before your current setup can you share whether or not there are curves for the controls you can discuss with us x-56 users being that the x56 is so sensitive. When I attempt to try to clear the air refuel in the F-15 Charlie I constantly go up and down upon approaching the Boom. What can I do to ensure contact contact with the tanker using the x56?
It's an issue not only with x56 but with every short flight stick with springs, the best thing against short stick being too sensitive is adding some curvature, most people find it comfortable around 25, but again you have to tune it for yourself, also on the stick itself you want it as loose as possible. An other advice I can give you that directly comes from the mighty F-14 which is arguably one of the most difficult aircraft to refuel in DCS : TRIM ! You don't fly the aircraft with the stick you fly it with the trim ! It's the key element to air refuel, stick is only used to do micro ajustement while trim is what gets you to be in the proper position, if your trim is correct you should be able to remove your hand of the stick without stressing about deviating. Also your wrist will thank you, most of the time when you get sore it's because you constantly reajust the same thing because it's not trimmed properly. Also never look at the boom, if you look at the boom (or any closer point of reference for that matter) you are going to enter a pilot induced oscilation because your brain is going to react much stronger to what seems to be big variation while in reality it is very minor, and then you are going to try to correct the wrong input you just made, etc, etc ... If it happens just stop correcting for a second and wait the end of the oscilation to reset your pre contact.
Thank you for the advice I will definitely take it under I was doing something different before so when I get home tonight cuz I'm not home once I get my system updated I will do a couple flights then see if I can make their correct adjustments and take it from there, and I'll give you an update as to my progress.
Yes, sorry it took me so long to respond but yes I do use curves on my x56. The current values on the pitch and Bank is dead zone 5 to 6 S curves of 25 I leave the y and x axis I think is 100% I don't mess with that the pedals it depends on your touch shimmy your pedals back and forth to see if there's any movements before you apply any curves again Dead Zone depends on the shimmy when you look at your programming no curves for the throttle. Everybody's sensitivity and handling could be different from what I do my unit is fairly old I had it since 2019 and it's still holding up Karma but it's time for an upgrade I'm definitely looking at win wing hottas setup for the F-15
GR after refueling should not be a fly by. It should be more of a complaint "I wanted Jet A and you gave me Jet A-1" select the sidewinder and launch. Then fly away well saying "I love the smell of burning Jet Fuel in the morning"
it's really hard of course but I don't understand how IRL pilots can have a conversation while doing this... training maybe? or they don't even find it difficult?
Irl they can feel the jet and what it is about to do rather than relying completely on instruments. They feel when they are accel or decel, going up or down and correct it before they see it. Like a car, when you take your foot off the gas you could feel the car decelerating before the speedometer starts showing it and that feeling time is not there in dcs.
Where does the dumped kerosine go? Will it land on the towns below and cause multiple cancers on children? No seriously!? Will it come raining down? Always wondered… 🤔
What do you mean by eagle hud cockpit? This is the actual F15E strike eagle module made by razbam, not some random mod that changes the look of the F15C's cockpit.
I miss the times when simulators such as Falcon 4.0 (original one), Flanker 2.0 and Janes F15 were for players. Not pilots. They complicate stuff too much. They give you super Hyper realistic plane with no campaign, no JDAMs , no Mavericks. And ask more than 60 bucks... lol and whats the point of STUDYING something which i will never use in practice? Im not a pilot and i never gonna be one. I just want to pretend. Not LEARN. But pretend. Ehh why do i even write this? Most of people raised on dcs and shitty war thunder will never understand what I mean. Poor generation.
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From an IRL Boom Operator, your approach was great, and holding back where you were was appropriate by the book and heavy aircraft(C-17, C-130) will sit at the 500 ft aft position before being cleared to contact. In 15000 hours of flying I have seen very very few fighters use that position and they will stabilize about 25-50 feet behind and 10 ft below the boom.
Big thing a lot of people don't realize, is how tense you get when you are refueling. your hands will get sore even in a sim.
Also when you get about .5 on the TACAN, you would turn off your radar. The boom appreciates the ability to have children in the future.
Unfortunately GR doesn't do too many missions requiring AAR, so the muscle memory isnt quite there for many. Some of us however make a point of it, even if unnecessary, to keep the skills up. If I had my way there'd be more tanking - I even made a really cool campaign that at least at the start would require it.... but due to reasons I wont get into, its on indefinite hold.
Do I see a future boom operator on the DCS refuelers when they come out?
@@ComdrStew I hope so. I would love to talk to a real person other than getting “rETurN prE cOnTAcT” five times.
@@TimberDCS You just have to get in the correct position first. I just get in position about 20-50 feet behind where the basket is going to be, or right behind the boom when I call in and it goes through 99% of the time.
It would be nice for ED to make a display for refueling as they did for the ball during carrier landings. Light on the tanker are hard to see.
They were hard to see in real life, until they upgraded to LEDs, as I understand it.
It's really hard in VR. I made a post about this once
*correct as is*
You learn to see them as a guide (and in vr)
Turbulence is not modeled very well in dcs
I was surprised how active your throttle was. It was never still. I think that's my biggest issue is once I get stable, I forget the throttle thinking I am matched perfectly, but as you take fuel, you get heavier and must adjust accordingly. Keep that throttle jiggling! lol
Ole cap likes sawing wood. For me it’s subtle changes, seems to work just as good
I've seen many F15Es crack an afterburner on one motor to hold position when fully loaded out. Quite fun to see at night.
Your skills have improved by leaps and bounds since I’ve been following-couple years.
So awesome! I remember getting stationed at RAF Mildenhall as my first base in the USAF and we went up in the tanker as part of our First Term Airman Center (FTAC) incentive flight and watched F-15's get refueled at night. nice!
U got an incentive flight in FTAC?? 😭
@@Scimitar620 oh yeah it was amazing! Even tho the flight slipped and it was a night AR, it was one of the coolest things a new airmen can do at their first base
That was really well done given how new this airframe is to you. I really suck at refueling with the boom. Thankfully I will probably never need to given how much fuel this thing has.
Simba's back! I almost didn't recognize his voice he's been gone so long... Well done, SuperCap! You're all growns up.
im not back yet unfortunately im still stranded on an island. but I will return as soon as I can
@@simba1113 No worries, the People's Champ has earned his rest. Gotta keep 'em wanting more.
This reminds me of playing Jane’s F-15 as a kid.
It would be great if ED updated their tankers to the newer variants (A330 MRTT) with boom operators giving callouts
reminds me of my days in the USAF as an F-15 pilot.
Nice to see your tutorials again cap please can you carry on with them urs is what got me into dcs
Got to admit, instead of the fly-by I was expecting you to shoot down the tanker. 😈
Happened to me. On my 10+th failed attempt to refuel the F-18C, I was so angry with myself that I shot the tanker down.
I discovered that if you do it, you lose all your progress and pilot stats.
Transfer rate for the F-15 in real life is 3000lb/min. 6000lb/min is for large aircraft like B-52 and other 'big wing' aircraft. In DCS however there is pretty much one flow rate.
In addition, the boom would be talking to you on the boom interphone 'through the boom' after contact. From the tanker side we have a flow gauge showing the ppm...after contact we would call "taking fuel" when we see a positive fuel flow...when you are full it goes down to zero, and the boom will call "No Flow, disconnect NOW." We don't say "Transfer complete." I refueled many a fully loaded Strike Eagle during Desert Storm; when fully loaded out they would usually have to crack an afterburner on one motor to hold position when they were getting full. One other tip: "Precontact" is stabilized position 50 feet behind the boom. For larger acft they are also on a 30 degree down angle from the boom. Very nice job, Cap!
@@Bsquared1972 The 15 does not have intephone capes through the boom. Never has. It's radios only.
@@Bsquared1972 are you on the GR discord?
finally!! been waiting for a tutorial for ever
Is this the 7th F-15E video in 5 days?! 😂😂😂
I kid, I kid!!! I enjoy them even if I can’t use it yet.
The lights are horrendous they should be updated aside from the fact that ED should make FOV inside/outside of the cockpit an easily managable setting that you can turn as default.
There is an FOV axis command. I use it often on my HOTAS to see small things in the cockpit or zoom in and see ground targets.
Nice job you made that look easy
Thanks Cap!
Huh. I had no idea the guiding lights set in a strip that far forward. I had assumed them to be in the space immediately behind the boom operators pod.
Incidentally, I love the videos in general.
..I would love to see videos wherein you fly B-52s and B-1s.
My understanding is the lighting system was originally designed for B-52s.... which was the primary driver of the tanker programs initially anyway. Hence why down/up light indicators are on the left, and forward/back (increase power/descrease power) are on the right... to match the flight controls of that aircraft.
They could had included the WSO giving fuel numbers like Jester
I don’t understand how your jet just sits there nicely on the middle and mine is consistently veering off to the right. It’s impossible for me to ever hold the damn thing straight.
Is there an option on the HUD to show the fuel like the F16? Or will it come when more things are included?
Loved the video @Grim Reapers! Can't wait for the next video man! Jets like the Strike Eagle are Gas Guzzlers so it'll take a Bit longer than you expect because your burning Fuel while also Taking on Fuel. Basically, if you're expecting to be refueling for about 1½ minutes, prepare for that to be about Twice as long just as a Precaution. Also, I think you've got the Conformal Fuel Tanks on the Sides of the Engine Intakes because I can see the Distinctive Bulge that it'll have compared to the Flat Sides of the Strike Eagles Fuselage.
Can't wait for more Videos with the World War Two Assets Pack and World War Two Warships/Transport Ships Mods as well! You, the GR Crew as well as Camodo Gaming and Spycakes are due for an Operation on your Shoestrings in about 1 week.
Strike Eagles have CFTs always... except when they undergo deep maintenance, IIRC.
Man everyone is flying this!!! Release it already!!! PS Thanks Cap.
thanks for the Tutorial, what curves would you suggest on a HOTAS Warthog. When I´m below the Tanker I cant maintain stable position as I always get up and down and cant settle
Kind of hope they put the US Navy's refueler drone in DCS at some point.
And now I'll have to make a mission with some AAR ;)
Pucker factor is high !
Are these streamed live on TH-cam or somewhere else and how can we find out what the live stream schedule is?
Thanks for sharing your video, but I have to ask you being that you used to use the x 56 before your current setup can you share whether or not there are curves for the controls you can discuss with us x-56 users being that the x56 is so sensitive. When I attempt to try to clear the air refuel in the F-15 Charlie I constantly go up and down upon approaching the Boom. What can I do to ensure contact contact with the tanker using the x56?
It's an issue not only with x56 but with every short flight stick with springs, the best thing against short stick being too sensitive is adding some curvature, most people find it comfortable around 25, but again you have to tune it for yourself, also on the stick itself you want it as loose as possible.
An other advice I can give you that directly comes from the mighty F-14 which is arguably one of the most difficult aircraft to refuel in DCS : TRIM !
You don't fly the aircraft with the stick you fly it with the trim ! It's the key element to air refuel, stick is only used to do micro ajustement while trim is what gets you to be in the proper position, if your trim is correct you should be able to remove your hand of the stick without stressing about deviating. Also your wrist will thank you, most of the time when you get sore it's because you constantly reajust the same thing because it's not trimmed properly.
Also never look at the boom, if you look at the boom (or any closer point of reference for that matter) you are going to enter a pilot induced oscilation because your brain is going to react much stronger to what seems to be big variation while in reality it is very minor, and then you are going to try to correct the wrong input you just made, etc, etc ...
If it happens just stop correcting for a second and wait the end of the oscilation to reset your pre contact.
Thank you for the advice I will definitely take it under I was doing something different before so when I get home tonight cuz I'm not home once I get my system updated I will do a couple flights then see if I can make their correct adjustments and take it from there, and I'll give you an update as to my progress.
I had the same issue and I never found the solution but I know your pain. I imagine you could do something within the curves
Yes, sorry it took me so long to respond but yes I do use curves on my x56. The current values on the pitch and Bank is dead zone 5 to 6 S curves of 25 I leave the y and x axis I think is 100% I don't mess with that the pedals it depends on your touch shimmy your pedals back and forth to see if there's any movements before you apply any curves again Dead Zone depends on the shimmy when you look at your programming no curves for the throttle. Everybody's sensitivity and handling could be different from what I do my unit is fairly old I had it since 2019 and it's still holding up Karma but it's time for an upgrade I'm definitely looking at win wing hottas setup for the F-15
I attempted this, and now I'm in a ball on the floor rocking back and forth, tips?
I find the F-15E quite hard to stabilize when doit AAR :/
Life’s to short for air to air refuelling
GR after refueling should not be a fly by. It should be more of a complaint "I wanted Jet A and you gave me Jet A-1" select the sidewinder and launch.
Then fly away well saying "I love the smell of burning Jet Fuel in the morning"
"because we're the grim reapers"--- I thought you were going to eject
I´m loosing patiens! When can we get our hands on this module already aaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!
btw. i absolutely dig your tutorials Cap! keep it up mate.
If you watch RAZBAM's F-15E Cold Start tutorial, they give a small hint at the end ;)
@@beach6255 which is fake, they delayed it. bit of a pandemonium on the discord tbh
@@HelioLhama how is that fake? That's the date they gave, so unless they changed it again after the video, it's 7/20/23
Is there no _autopilot_ kind of program available for refueling?
Seems like a good idea but ig it’s just too precise and risky for autopilot
@@mrspecs9211 Drones can refuel. th-cam.com/video/uNZGEljK9X8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3DV4SQ_5BvsNqhiz
Hellou guys:) i have the problem that the tanker not respond....he do nothing when i try to call for refuling....what can i do?
In real life-- is it much easier to do?
Super Cap on Speed again 👌🍻
We need key mapping for the back seat
Impressive!
Hello, very nice video again!
Can someone help me to decide for witch plane to go for, F15 E or the F14?
strike eagle all day baby!
it's really hard of course but I don't understand how IRL pilots can have a conversation while doing this... training maybe? or they don't even find it difficult?
Irl they can feel the jet and what it is about to do rather than relying completely on instruments. They feel when they are accel or decel, going up or down and correct it before they see it. Like a car, when you take your foot off the gas you could feel the car decelerating before the speedometer starts showing it and that feeling time is not there in dcs.
Where does the dumped kerosine go? Will it land on the towns below and cause multiple cancers on children?
No seriously!? Will it come raining down?
Always wondered… 🤔
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It evaporates before it hits the ground
Too bad its not coming out for a while yet.
Do it from the back seat, now.
where do i download the eagle hud cockpit?
What do you mean by eagle hud cockpit? This is the actual F15E strike eagle module made by razbam, not some random mod that changes the look of the F15C's cockpit.
@@play3rthr339 ok got ya didnt know but i found out and thank u
❤
Two more months until release :(
Did they get a release statement? How do you know?
@@justinjerskey nobody knows the imbeciles at razbam said it would be released in 2 weeks in december and now its delayed again to july
@@justinjerskey they showed it in the Razbam cold start video, it's 7/20/23
Good times! ✈✈✈😁
When are they going to give it to the rest of us?!
2 weeks!
plz if u wouldnt mind
JUST FLY FORMATION
!!!
I miss the times when simulators such as Falcon 4.0 (original one), Flanker 2.0 and Janes F15 were for players. Not pilots.
They complicate stuff too much. They give you super Hyper realistic plane with no campaign, no JDAMs , no Mavericks. And ask more than 60 bucks...
lol and whats the point of STUDYING something which i will never use in practice? Im not a pilot and i never gonna be one. I just want to pretend. Not LEARN. But pretend.
Ehh why do i even write this? Most of people raised on dcs and shitty war thunder will never understand what I mean. Poor generation.
"dis genewation is cooked bwo"