To me, I just want Iommi to carry the Sabbath name. The band remained creative always. Not all of albums were slamdunks, but all of them were interesting - except 13. Iommi getting some of the talented, genuine Sabbath alumni back together for a new record, be it Martin, Hughes, Butler, Gillan or any other guy that carried the Sabbath torch through the darker times, would be a dream come true. And none of this "call it something else" crap. Iommi IS Sabbath! Hail!
I find it disheartening that the business end of the rock music world has caused so much distress for artists and fans alike. 13 and subsequent tour were a cash grab plain and simple. I get it. These guys are in their twilight years and want to leave something behind for family. I remember watching the 11/11/11 press conference and as a fan who was there from the beginning, I was so excited to hear the news that the original lineup was headed back to the studio for one more album. The way it all played out was disappointing to say the least. 🤘😞
Since there are so many obstacles, hurtles and hoops to jump through, l just don’t see it happening. It would be great to have the original band record a final studio album, but l do not think it will ever come to fruition. Sorry. Keep up the exquisite work men. Prog On! Lightning to the Nations! Cheers 🍻 from Noo Yawk, ova heyah.
Great episode, I thought my neighbours were tormenting their cat there for a moment before I understood that it was some background noise. haha I'm not sure that we need another Black Sabbath album with Ozzy. I rather see them reunite with Tony Martin because whatever Ozzy lays his hands on these days will be more or less a product of the label with 14 song-writers and people who will interfere and decide what goes on the album and not until we have one big radiofriendly mess. I think that would be less likely with a low-key release with Tony Martin but I guess that won't happen since they more or less have deleted those albums from the discography. 13 didn't do that much for me personally so, maybe it's time to let it rest because I just can't see them come out with something excellent in 2022.
Thanks! Normally the cat is sitting quietly under a blanket but of course the moment I hit record she goes bananas...haha..I was actually muting myself when I wasn't talking because she was running and jumping around the room making all kinds of noise.
Hi guys new listener here, been enjoying the Sabbath Sunday shows the last month or so. Like you, I don’t see it happening. Also, the chances of it being any good (unlike 13) would require that different approach you guys talked about.
Great video! I think Bill has been on record for a while now about "not having the chops" (his words) to tour anymore, but that he'd love to have the four original members do one final record together. Like most Sabbath fans, I'd love to see that happen, of course, but to me it seems like the quality would need to be up to Sabbath standards, and that they should just kick the lawyers and Sharon out of the fucking room first. I'd love to see them maybe get together (just the four of them) to chat, get reacquainted with each other, and then maybe put them in a practice room to jam and see if there's any magic left. But the key for me is that if whatever comes out is subpar, then they should simply graciously bow out, and not just release a by-the-numbers album like 13, which I think was a huge mistake.
It’s been so many years now since. Covid delayed things but it was 6.5 years when Covid started. I quite liked 13, the only down side was only 8 songs, the 4 bonus tracks could have been part of the album. And the 4 songs from the end are also good.
Couldn't put my finger on what was off about 13, but you guys nailed it. Another one I rarely listen to is The Devil You Know. Both of those could have been so great but just weren't. Wish Tony and Tony could collaborate again.
Yep, I'm with you on The Devil You Know. I'd put it on the same level as 13...mostly for different reasons but similarly there also there seems to be a lack of inspiration. There have been times I've tried to revisit to hopefully find a new perspective on it but it always leaves me flat. I like a few songs but the rest sounds uninspired and forced.
I would love to see a closure album just like the first album No Frills just put it out and thank everybody I also wish that 13 would have been a double out like somebody else said they were so many outtake songs and the songs on the end CD that could have been their only double album and they would have went out on that but I'm not holding my breath on anything new just wishing
We're talking about men in their mid 70's. I think its reasonable to presume that they all listen to and enjoy music that's not hard rock or metal. If they were to put out an album I would want to hear something that actually represents their true state of humanly existence instead of some contrived bullshit that they or their handlers think their fans would want to hear based on their history.
I didn't think 13 was bad, the 3 songs on the bonus disc I thought were better than the actual album. That being said, I would love to see a new album with the actual original members and doing something that is different and not a rehash of the older records.
Yeah another great episode, surprised you guys didn’t mention that the next Ozzy solo album will have Tony Iommi playing on at least one track. Perhaps even more “smoke for the fire”... but yeah, would love for it to happen but am not overly confident it will.
Yeah, for sure. It was on the tip of my tongue at one point but we got off another a different tangent.... So, there's that...we have 2/4 original members in a working relationship...of sorts. Half the battle? Maybe. Or nothing more than what it is, time will tell.
The weakest link to me at this point is ozzy. If Ozzy could do it then why not? What do they have to lose? It’d be cool if they got Steve Wilson involved with the production of the album. If he was involved, I think it would be sincere and the mix would be good.
What if Black Sabbath released a double album? Combining the songs from the "13 Deluxe"album with "The End" cd (only available from the 13 Tour). Creating a double album. I always thought that would be cool.
They should do that. I’m shocked that they haven’t released the final version of those extra songs. There’s enough of them that you can make almost a full length album
I would absolutely love for that to happen, especially since 13 was so......ehhhh. Riffs were good but sounded like it was written more for what they were doing with Ronnie in Heaven and Hell. The absence of Bill Ward was really felt. Didn’t have that 70’s vibe at all. As much as it should happen, I really don’t think it will. I hope to God I’m wrong, but it would take a miracle. Maybe at this point the most we can hope for is a reunion with Tony Martin. I would definitely welcome that though. Tony has got so many riffs sitting in the bank. He just needs open the vault and record, record, record, and I think getting Tony Martin back would be the most realistic scenario. I love that era and would definitely welcome it. 🤘🤘🤘
I think the Black Sabbath machine has run out of steam. The band members will never recapture the magic they had in the beginning. Just my two cents worth.
It would be nice one last album with Bill, but I doubt that will ever happen now sadly. i accept The End as the final Sabbath material because in my opinion it was actually good, unlike the disappointment of 13!
Per the contact they all signed, in exchange for a bigger lump of cash, it was stated Black Sabbath would disband and no longer be able to preform in studio as a band again.
After reading other comments I agree with a lot of these other people that Tony iommi is Black Sabbath no other person including Ozzy Osbourne, carried on with Black Sabbath except for Tony Iommi, I read an article the other day that said Tony Iommi Was going to try to make another Black Sabbath album with Tony Martin but the 4 original members members have an agreement that any other new album will be only the 4 of The original members which Is a Total damn shame
New album with original members why not .special shows why not. Bill has been working all the time these last few years on different projects its not like he’s vegetating somewhere. I agree a more personable album would be good although i thought 13 was excellent was exactly what i wanted. ….but my ultimate album would be a mix of all surviving vocalists and other former members as a final album….i can dream can’t i😆
As much as I’d liked to see the classic Sabbath crank out another album, at the same time I wish they wouldn’t. Bill is not really in shape to perform and Ozzy doesn’t really have a voice anymore. Tony Iommi tried since the late 90s to get Ozzy back in the studio to do another Sabbath album, but it was put on hold because wanted to focus on other projects from Ozzfest to the Osborne’s reality show. As Tony Iommi was putting together the Dio years compilation, it got the ball rolling for Tony and Geezer to reunite with Vinnie and Ronnie. Sharen tried to Torpedo it by telling Tony “listen, I’ll clear out Ozzy schedule for a year as long as you and Geezer don’t do this thing with Ronnie” and that’s when Tony told Sharon that he had been trying to get Ozzy back in the studio for ten years and these guys (Ronnie and Vinnie) they were ready to go right then and there. Then of course we lost Ronnie in 2010 to cancer and I think Ozzy said to himself that we need to get in the studio and do another sabbath album because Tony started battling cancer shortly after Ronnie’s passing. I wouldn’t say 13 is a bad album. When it came out I propably would have. Now I just look at it and think of it as the guys just strolling down memory lane
I agree. We don’t really need another Black Sabbath album; I can’t see it from these guys who are quite old now too as well. Ozzy’s voice is shot and Bill Ward has been basically retired for a long time. I don’t see what they could do now that would be any good. Having said that, I would like to see a Black Sabbath reunite of Tony Martin, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Vinny Appice if any line up reforms! Not the original guys.
@@jimmycampbell78 well, hopefully we’ll get the Tony Martin era boxset in 2022, so who knows? Maybe it’ll be the incentive needed to do something with him again
People say that Forbidden was the worst Black Sabbath album. Well...I would rather put 13 on that spot. Don't get me wrong, I like the album and it has its moments, but in general it lacks something. Thank you for that conversation guys 😄
I think they should do it, without the pressure of touring. With health being an issues, do like the Beatles, just release music without touring. I think one with all four guys will feel like a true bookend. I like 13 much more than you guys, so I'm not coming from the perspective of ending on a better note than that. But because Bill is much more creative in the writing process than a lot of drummers are, I think his participation is significantly more than just a drummers' signature sound. I also think that if they make a record without the pressure of touring behind it, they also don't have to worry about creating songs that they know they(Ozzy) can pull off live. They can go as far as their creativity takes them. Just my two cents. I'm greedy, I want more sabbath. I want more Iommi.
Will Sabbath release another album? No, probably not. Ozzy is 73 now, not in good health and still has his tour to do. That would take some time to do assuming that Ozzy can meet his touring commitments. I just can't see it happening.
With Ozzy the answer is no. With Tony Martin sure. We all know that's not going to happen, Ozzy and Sharon wouldn't let a Sabbath album exist without Ozzy at this point.
For me, a full album might be too much for them…. Just release an EP or a couple of songs at a time. It’s more manageable and they put everything into then have a spell etc…. That’s all we need to negate “13”
Hey John and Darin, Well I would think it wouldn't happen except maybe a good producer like Steven Wilson or someone which would bring out the best in it. And I would have Tony Martin on vocals with the other 3 and 10 tracks with a bonus track with Ozzy on vocals. Making 11 tracks. If not Tony Martin maybe Iommi could call Glenn Hughee in for the 10 tracks. And do a 5 city of the largest metro cities in The US and 3 in the UK with pay per views for the shows that could after all is done they would come out on DVDs. And that would be it. But if closure is 13 then so be it. TC nice episode guys.
Steven Wilson may be a good pick..he certainly has the right skill set to make an album sound *better* than what Rubin did. Also Steve may push them in a different direction that could have much more interesting results since Steven is primarily a "prog" musician. He certainly did a great job with the box sets.
Right but then it's unlikely Bill would take part...so we would maybe have 2/4 original members involved but most likely it would only be Tony and Tony. I'm hoping that does actually happen at some point. This discussions focus was on the possibility of Bill joining the band for one more (final) album. I think the only way that will happen is if it's all four original members.
with Tony Martin yes - he still has his pipes and him and Iommi have great chemistry for songwriting. The Ozzy thing is played out - he doesn't write anything anyway and I think Geezer is tired of doing it.
Unlikely unless Ozzy tells Sharon to mind her business. 13 was not a good album. Rubin was a poor choice in producer. Disingenuous is a good discription, like Rubin told them to listen to the 1st 2 albums and write it. They’re better off getting Gillan and calling it Born Again. Bring back Bev & call it good.
If Bill Ward actually plays on the album , then Ozzy Osbourne's involvement would work. If it's just Geezer and Iommi with a random drummer then they may as well hire a real Vocalist. One of the main reasons that people aren't happy with 13 weren't only the limitations of the aging Ozzy Osbourne Vocals, the rehashing of old riffs, and the fact that Bill Ward wasn't behind the kit. A lot of people have been unhappy about the fact that the hired drummer for the project not only played nothing like Bill, but his drumming was robotic and boring. If they were going to repeat themselves they could have at least hired someone who tried to play similar to Bill. The drums on the first 3 Black Sabbath albums were a big part of why the songs were so interesting the first time around. Take that away and all your left with are slow boring songs that are played better by all the Doom Metal bands that Black Sabbath originally influenced
Ozzys voice is gone…would like to see the born again lineup but Ian can’t hit those high notes so it probably would be disappointing…maybe tony,bill and geezer with glen hughes whose voice is still strong could really be a last haraugh
I think that unfortunately Sabbath should quit while they are ahead. I thought 13 was a decent album but I would not want them to tarnish their legacy. Every band has to call it a day sometime.. And didn't Ozzy say that Bill just couldn't cut it anymore?
An album with Rob Halford, Klaus Meine, or someone else that is a decent Vocalist. Ozzy Osbourne fronting the band would hold no interest for me. Considering that Ozzy Osbourne has not sounded that great since Ultimate Sin he has little excitement left if Ordinary Man and 13 are the best he has to offer. If they don't want to record with Tony Martin they need to find another Vocalist on that level
Why is everybody so obsessed with another Black Sabbath album when they are almost 80 years old? would you want to be in the studio trying to play hard rock music when you are near 80 ? I personally am satisfied with 50 years of Black Sabbath music. I'll beat you in this video Don't listen to the 1983 through 2013 albums. You guys have to remember it is a business. It's like when The Beatles broke up and everybody was begging The Beatles to get back together John Lennon said one thing he said if you want to hear The Beatles get all of our solo albums and play them back-to-back and you will hear The Beatles, Let that sink in Black Sabbath is done they want to carry on with their lives before they die. They are lucky that they are still alive.
13 was a bitter disappointment & mot worth the wait, 2 decent songs lGD? & BOTE and the rest is going thru the motions of mediocrity, like staring at a tin of white paint for an hour, Sabbath are my favourite band of all time & have been thru every up & down with Sabbath like most rusted on Sabbath fans, but suspect the Sabs are as tired of the business as we are of line up changes & conjecture over the past 40yrs, they are not a group but a group of micro managed individuals, another reason why 13 failed
Please, Metal gods, make the Andrew Watt thing go away. This whole bit about writing the record with the production team(instead of his primary axe slinger writing the music, and someone like Geezer or Daisley doing the lyrics) which has largely been in place since Down to Earth, is not what most of us want. Sharon wants the 'current' hot producer type so they can make a hit that make a dent in the current market. That's short sighted in context of his fan base. At his age there's no need to chase new fans. Go out with an album that proudly stands among the first 6-7 solo records(for me it's 7, I love Ozzmosis). And for a final sabbath album I think they need to find a producer that promotes a combination of their classic feel, but allows creativity of each of them. They have so much musical experience away from each other post Never Say Die. Utilize all that. Don't worry about hits, marketing, whatever. Their name alone can carry that.
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To me, I just want Iommi to carry the Sabbath name. The band remained creative always. Not all of albums were slamdunks, but all of them were interesting - except 13. Iommi getting some of the talented, genuine Sabbath alumni back together for a new record, be it Martin, Hughes, Butler, Gillan or any other guy that carried the Sabbath torch through the darker times, would be a dream come true. And none of this "call it something else" crap. Iommi IS Sabbath! Hail!
I know what you mean...I would be perfectly happy with Iommi carrying on with the name and working with Tony Martin or whoever.
Sabbath has been my favourite band since 1974, but my gut feeling is it is over for good now.
I find it disheartening that the business end of the rock music world has caused so much distress for artists and fans alike. 13 and subsequent tour were a cash grab plain and simple. I get it. These guys are in their twilight years and want to leave something behind for family. I remember watching the 11/11/11 press conference and as a fan who was there from the beginning, I was so excited to hear the news that the original lineup was headed back to the studio for one more album. The way it all played out was disappointing to say the least.
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Since there are so many obstacles, hurtles and hoops to jump through, l just don’t see it happening. It would be great to have the original band record a final studio album, but l do not think it will ever come to fruition. Sorry.
Keep up the exquisite work men. Prog On! Lightning to the Nations!
Cheers 🍻 from Noo Yawk, ova heyah.
Great episode, I thought my neighbours were tormenting their cat there for a moment before I understood that it was some background noise. haha I'm not sure that we need another Black Sabbath album with Ozzy. I rather see them reunite with Tony Martin because whatever Ozzy lays his hands on these days will be more or less a product of the label with 14 song-writers and people who will interfere and decide what goes on the album and not until we have one big radiofriendly mess. I think that would be less likely with a low-key release with Tony Martin but I guess that won't happen since they more or less have deleted those albums from the discography. 13 didn't do that much for me personally so, maybe it's time to let it rest because I just can't see them come out with something excellent in 2022.
Wow that cat is very vocal 🤣 Love it!! Awesome episode, very interesting & I agree with most of what you guys said.
Thanks! Normally the cat is sitting quietly under a blanket but of course the moment I hit record she goes bananas...haha..I was actually muting myself when I wasn't talking because she was running and jumping around the room making all kinds of noise.
@@LairoftheAlchemist LOL, I love cats, so I really had no problem with it. Guess she had a lot to say on the topic!?
Hi guys new listener here, been enjoying the Sabbath Sunday shows the last month or so. Like you, I don’t see it happening. Also, the chances of it being any good (unlike 13) would require that different approach you guys talked about.
33:36 give that kitty some loving ❤
I think the cat agrees that another Sabbath record needs to happen
🤣 It had a lot to say!
another Sabbath album with "The Cat" 😉
Great video! I think Bill has been on record for a while now about "not having the chops" (his words) to tour anymore, but that he'd love to have the four original members do one final record together. Like most Sabbath fans, I'd love to see that happen, of course, but to me it seems like the quality would need to be up to Sabbath standards, and that they should just kick the lawyers and Sharon out of the fucking room first. I'd love to see them maybe get together (just the four of them) to chat, get reacquainted with each other, and then maybe put them in a practice room to jam and see if there's any magic left. But the key for me is that if whatever comes out is subpar, then they should simply graciously bow out, and not just release a by-the-numbers album like 13, which I think was a huge mistake.
It’s been so many years now since. Covid delayed things but it was 6.5 years when Covid started.
I quite liked 13, the only down side was only 8 songs, the 4 bonus tracks could have been part of the album. And the 4 songs from the end are also good.
When I watched this, I was able to chat in the premiere, even though the premiere was done. Something's happening.
Couldn't put my finger on what was off about 13, but you guys nailed it. Another one I rarely listen to is The Devil You Know. Both of those could have been so great but just weren't. Wish Tony and Tony could collaborate again.
Yep, I'm with you on The Devil You Know. I'd put it on the same level as 13...mostly for different reasons but similarly there also there seems to be a lack of inspiration. There have been times I've tried to revisit to hopefully find a new perspective on it but it always leaves me flat. I like a few songs but the rest sounds uninspired and forced.
I would love to see a closure album just like the first album No Frills just put it out and thank everybody I also wish that 13 would have been a double out like somebody else said they were so many outtake songs and the songs on the end CD that could have been their only double album and they would have went out on that but I'm not holding my breath on anything new just wishing
I think that with Sharon in the picture it can never really have any legs. Left to their own devices Tony can maybe take a lead.
We're talking about men in their mid 70's. I think its reasonable to presume that they all listen to and enjoy music that's not hard rock or metal. If they were to put out an album I would want to hear something that actually represents their true state of humanly existence instead of some contrived bullshit that they or their handlers think their fans would want to hear based on their history.
I didn't think 13 was bad, the 3 songs on the bonus disc I thought were better than the actual album. That being said, I would love to see a new album with the actual original members and doing something that is different and not a rehash of the older records.
Yeah another great episode, surprised you guys didn’t mention that the next Ozzy solo album will have Tony Iommi playing on at least one track. Perhaps even more “smoke for the fire”... but yeah, would love for it to happen but am not overly confident it will.
Yeah, for sure. It was on the tip of my tongue at one point but we got off another a different tangent....
So, there's that...we have 2/4 original members in a working relationship...of sorts. Half the battle? Maybe. Or nothing more than what it is, time will tell.
Mob Rules and Heaven and Hell. 2 disc deluxe edition being release November. Yippee ✌😍😎
The weakest link to me at this point is ozzy. If Ozzy could do it then why not? What do they have to lose? It’d be cool if they got Steve Wilson involved with the production of the album. If he was involved, I think it would be sincere and the mix would be good.
What if Black Sabbath released a double album? Combining the songs from the "13 Deluxe"album with "The End" cd (only available from the 13 Tour). Creating a double album. I always thought that would be cool.
They should do that. I’m shocked that they haven’t released the final version of those extra songs. There’s enough of them that you can make almost a full length album
The End EP... has some songs I like better than some of the songs on the 13 album.
I would absolutely love for that to happen, especially since 13 was so......ehhhh. Riffs were good but sounded like it was written more for what they were doing with Ronnie in Heaven and Hell. The absence of Bill Ward was really felt. Didn’t have that 70’s vibe at all. As much as it should happen, I really don’t think it will. I hope to God I’m wrong, but it would take a miracle. Maybe at this point the most we can hope for is a reunion with Tony Martin. I would definitely welcome that though. Tony has got so many riffs sitting in the bank. He just needs open the vault and record, record, record, and I think getting Tony Martin back would be the most realistic scenario. I love that era and would definitely welcome it. 🤘🤘🤘
Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward & Tony Martin should make an album and do a club tour.
I think the Black Sabbath machine has run out of steam. The band members will never recapture the magic they had in the beginning. Just my two cents worth.
It would be nice one last album with Bill, but I doubt that will ever happen now sadly. i accept The End as the final Sabbath material because in my opinion it was actually good, unlike the disappointment of 13!
A new Studio album but no tour = win for all
that would work for me.
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Per the contact they all signed, in exchange for a bigger lump of cash, it was stated Black Sabbath would disband and no longer be able to preform in studio as a band again.
After reading other comments I agree with a lot of these other people that Tony iommi is Black Sabbath no other person including Ozzy Osbourne, carried on with Black Sabbath except for Tony Iommi, I read an article the other day that said Tony Iommi Was going to try to make another Black Sabbath album with Tony Martin but the 4 original members members have an agreement that any other new album will be only the 4 of The original members which Is a Total damn shame
Ozzy said at the time he was surprised about some of the songs making the album... meaning the band did not choose which songs made it.
Could also mean that he was overruled by the other band members.
@@dertodesking8379 pretty sure it was Rick Rubin
@@jonathanlundeen8954 Yeah probably
New album with original members why not .special shows why not.
Bill has been working all the time these last few years on different projects its not like he’s vegetating somewhere.
I agree a more personable album would be good although i thought 13 was excellent was exactly what i wanted.
….but my ultimate album would be a mix of all surviving vocalists and other former members as a final album….i can dream can’t i😆
As much as I’d liked to see the classic Sabbath crank out another album, at the same time I wish they wouldn’t. Bill is not really in shape to perform and Ozzy doesn’t really have a voice anymore. Tony Iommi tried since the late 90s to get Ozzy back in the studio to do another Sabbath album, but it was put on hold because wanted to focus on other projects from Ozzfest to the Osborne’s reality show. As Tony Iommi was putting together the Dio years compilation, it got the ball rolling for Tony and Geezer to reunite with Vinnie and Ronnie. Sharen tried to Torpedo it by telling Tony “listen, I’ll clear out Ozzy schedule for a year as long as you and Geezer don’t do this thing with Ronnie” and that’s when Tony told Sharon that he had been trying to get Ozzy back in the studio for ten years and these guys (Ronnie and Vinnie) they were ready to go right then and there. Then of course we lost Ronnie in 2010 to cancer and I think Ozzy said to himself that we need to get in the studio and do another sabbath album because Tony started battling cancer shortly after Ronnie’s passing. I wouldn’t say 13 is a bad album. When it came out I propably would have. Now I just look at it and think of it as the guys just strolling down memory lane
I agree. We don’t really need another Black Sabbath album; I can’t see it from these guys who are quite old now too as well. Ozzy’s voice is shot and Bill Ward has been basically retired for a long time. I don’t see what they could do now that would be any good.
Having said that, I would like to see a Black Sabbath reunite of Tony Martin, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Vinny Appice if any line up reforms! Not the original guys.
@@jimmycampbell78 well, hopefully we’ll get the Tony Martin era boxset in 2022, so who knows? Maybe it’ll be the incentive needed to do something with him again
@@danielthenorwegianguy Please, haven't Sabbath fans suffered enough without inflicting that douche on us again?
People say that Forbidden was the worst Black Sabbath album. Well...I would rather put 13 on that spot. Don't get me wrong, I like the album and it has its moments, but in general it lacks something. Thank you for that conversation guys 😄
I think they should do it, without the pressure of touring. With health being an issues, do like the Beatles, just release music without touring.
I think one with all four guys will feel like a true bookend.
I like 13 much more than you guys, so I'm not coming from the perspective of ending on a better note than that.
But because Bill is much more creative in the writing process than a lot of drummers are, I think his participation is significantly more than just a drummers' signature sound.
I also think that if they make a record without the pressure of touring behind it, they also don't have to worry about creating songs that they know they(Ozzy) can pull off live. They can go as far as their creativity takes them.
Just my two cents. I'm greedy, I want more sabbath. I want more Iommi.
Someone shaved all of the hair off of that cat! LOL
yeah..haha...she's a Sphynx cat...a hairless cat.
Will Sabbath release another album? No, probably not. Ozzy is 73 now, not in good health and still has his tour to do. That would take some time to do assuming that Ozzy can meet his touring commitments. I just can't see it happening.
Ozzy's voice has been horrible throughout the 2000's,...not gonna change now,..50 years is enough
If Bill can't do it. Get the Cat man in Eric Singer
With Ozzy the answer is no. With Tony Martin sure. We all know that's not going to happen, Ozzy and Sharon wouldn't let a Sabbath album exist without Ozzy at this point.
For me, a full album might be too much for them…. Just release an EP or a couple of songs at a time. It’s more manageable and they put everything into then have a spell etc…. That’s all we need to negate “13”
I'd be happy with an E.P. also...heck, even if they just did a digital only single would get me excited.
Hey John and Darin, Well I would think it wouldn't happen except maybe a good producer like Steven Wilson or someone which would bring out the best in it. And I would have Tony Martin on vocals with the other 3 and 10 tracks with a bonus track with Ozzy on vocals. Making 11 tracks. If not Tony Martin maybe Iommi could call Glenn Hughee in for the 10 tracks. And do a 5 city of the largest metro cities in The US and 3 in the UK with pay per views for the shows that could after all is done they would come out on DVDs. And that would be it. But if closure is 13 then so be it. TC nice episode guys.
Steven Wilson may be a good pick..he certainly has the right skill set to make an album sound *better* than what Rubin did. Also Steve may push them in a different direction that could have much more interesting results since Steven is primarily a "prog" musician. He certainly did a great job with the box sets.
I love Sabbath but Ozzy to me is finished. I would much rather see them do something with Tony Martin.
Right but then it's unlikely Bill would take part...so we would maybe have 2/4 original members involved but most likely it would only be Tony and Tony. I'm hoping that does actually happen at some point. This discussions focus was on the possibility of Bill joining the band for one more (final) album. I think the only way that will happen is if it's all four original members.
Butler, Iommi, Ward and Gillan. Ozzy is done. They need to have guest ie. Bryan May, Robert Plant, Hughes, Kerry etc. etc.
Sabotage 2? ✌️😊
with Tony Martin yes - he still has his pipes and him and Iommi have great chemistry for songwriting. The Ozzy thing is played out - he doesn't write anything anyway and I think Geezer is tired of doing it.
Unlikely unless Ozzy tells Sharon to mind her business.
13 was not a good album. Rubin was a poor choice in producer. Disingenuous is a good discription, like Rubin told them to listen to the 1st 2 albums and write it.
They’re better off getting Gillan and calling it Born Again. Bring back Bev & call it good.
If Bill Ward actually plays on the album , then Ozzy Osbourne's involvement would work. If it's just Geezer and Iommi with a random drummer then they may as well hire a real Vocalist. One of the main reasons that people aren't happy with 13 weren't only the limitations of the aging Ozzy Osbourne Vocals, the rehashing of old riffs, and the fact that Bill Ward wasn't behind the kit. A lot of people have been unhappy about the fact that the hired drummer for the project not only played nothing like Bill, but his drumming was robotic and boring. If they were going to repeat themselves they could have at least hired someone who tried to play similar to Bill. The drums on the first 3 Black Sabbath albums were a big part of why the songs were so interesting the first time around. Take that away and all your left with are slow boring songs that are played better by all the Doom Metal bands that Black Sabbath originally influenced
Ozzys voice is gone…would like to see the born again lineup but Ian can’t hit those high notes so it probably would be disappointing…maybe tony,bill and geezer with glen hughes whose voice is still strong could really be a last haraugh
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I think that unfortunately Sabbath should quit while they are ahead.
I thought 13 was a decent album but I would not want them to tarnish their legacy.
Every band has to call it a day sometime..
And didn't Ozzy say that Bill just couldn't cut it anymore?
An album with Rob Halford, Klaus Meine, or someone else that is a decent Vocalist. Ozzy Osbourne fronting the band would hold no interest for me. Considering that Ozzy Osbourne has not sounded that great since Ultimate Sin he has little excitement left if Ordinary Man and 13 are the best he has to offer. If they don't want to record with Tony Martin they need to find another Vocalist on that level
Why is everybody so obsessed with another Black Sabbath album when they are almost 80 years old? would you want to be in the studio trying to play hard rock music when you are near 80 ? I personally am satisfied with 50 years of Black Sabbath music. I'll beat you in this video Don't listen to the 1983 through 2013 albums. You guys have to remember it is a business. It's like when The Beatles broke up and everybody was begging The Beatles to get back together John Lennon said one thing he said if you want to hear The Beatles get all of our solo albums and play them back-to-back and you will hear The Beatles, Let that sink in Black Sabbath is done they want to carry on with their lives before they die. They are lucky that they are still alive.
well...I think a number of people feel like "13" was incomplete and not really the final chapter on the band because Bill Ward wasn't there.
👎 Bill Ward isn't making decisions about it.
13 was a bitter disappointment & mot worth the wait, 2 decent songs lGD? & BOTE and the rest is going thru the motions of mediocrity, like staring at a tin of white paint for an hour, Sabbath are my favourite band of all time & have been thru every up & down with Sabbath like most rusted on Sabbath fans, but suspect the Sabs are as tired of the business as we are of line up changes & conjecture over the past 40yrs, they are not a group but a group of micro managed individuals, another reason why 13 failed
Please, Metal gods, make the Andrew Watt thing go away.
This whole bit about writing the record with the production team(instead of his primary axe slinger writing the music, and someone like Geezer or Daisley doing the lyrics) which has largely been in place since Down to Earth, is not what most of us want.
Sharon wants the 'current' hot producer type so they can make a hit that make a dent in the current market. That's short sighted in context of his fan base. At his age there's no need to chase new fans. Go out with an album that proudly stands among the first 6-7 solo records(for me it's 7, I love Ozzmosis).
And for a final sabbath album I think they need to find a producer that promotes a combination of their classic feel, but allows creativity of each of them. They have so much musical experience away from each other post Never Say Die. Utilize all that.
Don't worry about hits, marketing, whatever. Their name alone can carry that.
I’m not buying no more old man music.
haha...well alright then! :D
No way in hell, sorry.
They should never have released another album after Never say Die FFS!!!! 13 was Shite!!
No 🤘