I generally don't like using Doomstacks since I don't find they lead to fun battles, but the War Mammoth horde is one I love. Simply to recreate the Return of the King battle
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 They aren't that formidable even beaten 3 stacks with only 5 loses that was spell backfiring. Savage orcs the tier 1 unit might beat them with wurzagh, darkelves black arc handbows would just skirmish mode them, almost anything you can think of works against slayers, even cycle charging with cavalry works because they don't have mass.
MC Mark Markson I would expect you just spam purple sun to deal with slayers, and spirit leaches to deal with steam tanks. However I don’t think you can handle a full stack from either.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Savage orcs with wurzag would make a meal out of slayers. Try it first before you say your certain hell Skarsniks gobo horde might beat them they're that weak their tier 4 but hardly punch like a tier 4.
I found that the Beastmen one wasn't really a doomstack but more of a cheese stack. I mean sincerely, who the hell will waste so many time trying to recruit that many of shamans to put them all together into one army?! To me the Mammoth doomstack is the actual first one because it isn't made of cheese and a super weird and inflexible way to approach the campaign.
“To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting”. Sun Tzu Looks like the beastmen took this to heart
A lot of you are disagreeing with his list because you're like "Ay, but a stack of X can beat a stack of Y." This isn't a list of the strongest doomstack in a doomstack versus doomstack situation. This is a list of the strongest doomstacks for steamrolling the campaign map, thats why things like the stegadons are so high--being able to fully heal your army between every battle just lets you lightning strike that friggin 8 full 20 stacks of dwarves thorgrim sends at you every campaign without breaking a sweat and with only a single army, in a single turn. It's not about how well a doomstack does fighting against a particular other doomstack, but how well a doomstack performs at pulling more then it's weight's worth on the campaign map.
@Moo Well they still are a very very fun faction to play. Doomstack tactic is not as fun as a versatile army backed up by 3 Necrofex and a Bess anyway.
Iv always wished that the Orcs and Skaven could bring more than 2 stacks to a battle at once. Orcs 3 with the WAAAAGH and skaven 4 anytime. It would make them so much more viable at the end game bc going 2v2 against end game dwarves is not fun lol
Ben Snyder That’s actually pretty funny to think about. They are followers in chaos, but they suck in battle so instead they use their horrendous smell to disgust their rivals into submission lol
Yes, he also said something like "Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy resistance without fighting." I knew that from Sabaton's Art of War so cmiiw
I'm disappointed that my beloved Necrofex Colossus stack didn't make the cut. But I just need to build 19 more models of them and I can run an actual NC Doom Stack on the tabletop.
Wait you're the guy who built one right? Mate that kitbash was absolutely incredible. Really top quality work, I don't think that GW is capable of doing any better.
The mammoth stack is impressive not gonna lie. Although it is pretty much hard countered by a legendary hero of the Wood Elves called Legolas. Legolas has "The elven agility" ability, allowing him to essentially hijack a mammoth, turn the mammoth against its allies and then shoot it through the head to get rid of it. So he can basically get rid of multiple mammoths at once with this ability. Unfortunately for him, that still only counts as one, so the game will tell you that he only killed one. And one other op thing about him is that whenever he fights close to any dwarf he will activate his "Overcompetitive Elf Boi" passive, causing him to move 100% faster to get more kills than any dwarf in his close proximity. Truly op hero.. He needs some nerfs to be honest.
Yeah I heard that Legolas has "The elven agility" ability, allowing him to essentially hijack a mammoth, turn the mammoth against its allies and then shoot it through the head to get rid of it. So he can basically get rid of multiple mammoths at once with this ability. Unfortunately for him, that still only counts as one, so the game will tell you that he only killed one. And one other op thing about him is that whenever he fights close to any dwarf he will activate his "Overcompetitive Elf Boi" abilitity, causing him to move 100% faster. Truly op hero.. He needs some nerfs to be honest.
"To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." - Sun Tzu
Not every faction has a Doomstack, like empire or arguably dark elves or dwarfs. Also that video would take too long to make. If you stick around during streams or ask you can easily get some army compositions. If you have any particular ones, you can even ask here and if I ever heard them in a stream or know I could tell you :)
@@gerryjtierney fun thing is empire is one of the armies that have several viable counters to this particular doomstack. Flagellants (specially buffed by Volkmar), steam tanks, Carroburg greatswords and the ROR swordsmen are all of them unbreakable, so they can at least fight back.
For someone looking for a Dark Elf doomstack, Morathi performs and works very similarly to the Beastmen. Shroud is -10 leadership in the province, couple it with a Kharybdiss howl for -8 and the -10 from fear and a a nice Doom and Darkness cast and you will route most armies on contact. Confederate Malus for his -7 in the same province and one of his followers for an additional -10 and now nothing can fight you, with the bonus of you have the Dark Elf economy instead of Beastmen or Lizards.
A vbad anon acount build torture posts to combat public order fluctuations and spec into public order on your lords. That’s what I do anyways. Sack settlements that aren’t suitable climates.
Now let’s see how many Saving your disaster campaigns/battles are gonna have one of these doomstacks! I gotta say, I was surprised that there were no necrofex colossi with Noctilus, but I think that would definitely be an honorable mention.
Random Beastlord: "So Malagor is winning all of these battles huh? How is it that he's so strong? How much delicious human blood has his army spilt?" Bray Shaman: "Apparently they’re pacifists my lord." Beastlord: "Wut?"
@@ikitclaw4852 Shaggoths have much better attack animations, which is what really sets them apart. The animations are pretty basic, probably because they were a day 1 DLC, but that lets them stay on target very easily.
I remember fighting a doomstack of warmammoths from norsca. It was tough taking them down because they wrecked one of my towns but I managed to get gelt with halbediers and hand gunners into the town in the wasteland. ( this eas before they made the change in the update.) They assaulted the walls, half of the mammoths were weakened from an earlier battle but they managed to get inside. I clogged the whole entry with the halbadiers and kept focus fire with my hand gunners. It was a tough fight but aftwr the enwmy lord was killed and half of the war mammoths were gone or routed the battle was over. That was one of the toughest fights that I remember facing. I just hope I don't have to deal with that again.
I have actually found a Dark Paladin Doomstack with Malus quite effective, especially against the dwarfs. I was able to take out Ungrim and Grombrindal at the same time, with their late game armies, in the same battle, on legendary. I would call that effective.
Jamaly although that may be true, you still need to be overcome their massive armor, sturdiness and leadership If you dont have a wind of death setup, you will have a hard time
@@jamaly77 I believe Legend himself considers the dwarfs the hardest late game faction to fight, due to their usual snowball effect. +isn't artillery kind of their gimmick?
I do think the Star Dragon Doomstack should be here, I can absolutely understand that you don't like them, but they wreck nearly anything (example stegadon doomstack)
yes they have insane stats with all the buffs and honesty a fully upgraded star dragon (red skill tree, tech buffs, follower that gives 10md) actually kills anything one on one
50% more expensive, Tier 5 in comparison to 4, bolt throwers better than the breath attacks, most of the enemies are dead before reaching melee where as Star Dragons do their damage in melee.
@@sirgaz8699 1. you can get a dragon willed prince and get the building wich makes drsgons even cheaper 2. high elves don't have money problems when you get to the high tier buildings 3. are you actually trying to say a eagle claw catapult stack is a good doomstack?
Legend doesn't like dragons in general, they're slow, big hitboxes, breath attacks need micro management and such reasons i heard from him in previous streams. But he did say that they're really strong and will win most fight. Personally, i think it's a fun doomstack for high elves in the late game when you're bored of sister of avelorn.
Have you tried running minotaur units with 4 or more heroes with unsated bloodthirst? It's a trait that increases the weapon strength of all minotaur units in your army by 10% and it stacks. I just played through a beastmen campaign and my minotaurs had weapon strength of 230 and melee attack of 95 when near both of my gorebulls since both of them give all units near them a +16 bonus to melee attack. They've also got leadership of 111 because of my 2 gorebulls,so they're basically unbreakable.
One thing to note, Norsca can do the -Leadership doomstack as well. They get the 'Misshapen' trait on all heroes / Lords, which gives -5 Leadership to all enemies in region. They also get access to both Death and Shadows, which offers -8 Leadership/-30 Armor in an AoE. Lastly, with a Marauder Chieftain, you get access to two key skills - one, Seduction of the Serpent, gives your Lord an on-hit debuff that reduces leadership even further, and the other being a Mammoth mount. The mammoth gives you Siege Attacker, inflicts Fear/Terror, and lets you kill unbreakable units. It's like the Beastmen doomstack, except instead of overpowering stench it's your horrifying, misbegotten visage that drives them from the field.
I agree with all your choices but the Necrofex Collosus should have been given an honourable mention if not a place in top 5.. Merry Christmas to you and your family..
Honestly i am sad there wasn't any necrofex colossus doom stack spam in this top 5. I got like 3 armies of them in my dreadfleet campagin, at this point, i am just going around and razing everything cause nothing can stop me.
No Necrofex Collosus on the list? Im shocked. Wasnt long ago that Legend was saying it's the strongest doomstack by far, and only sometimes consodering whether mammoths might be better. But to not even make it in the top 5? Also, Chaos shrine mammoths also have the benefit of being unbreakable and will fight till the last drop of that massive hp pool. So saying that mammoth spam can't do anything against beastmen doomstack is not necessarily true if you use warshrine mammoths.
i think these are pretty poor doom stacks made from one unite. First off all chaos can get a doomstack of heavy infantary way earlier in the game, by turn 15-20 that beats everything it meets... most of these are only available late game, they are also super expensive, and not really much stronger or more versitle. they all have massive weaknesses. At that point in the game you might as well mix in some other units. There is very little value in running these setups.
@@waldemarmarwalde6817 I've played all difficulties. Im not sure how you think that matters? Unless you're saying on easy this is a perfect strategy. Im not saying you can't use these stacks, I'm saying at the point on the game where you can build and afford these stacks you can get better doomstacks by taking more variation, and if you want a 1 unit stack you should go chaos, because that heavy infantry will win any siege or open battle and can be build by turn 15. All these armies have clear weaknesses, or struggle taking forts.
@ LegendofTotalWar LoL after years of dismissing abilities like lower leadership - you managed to surprise me ! well done on the number one and this video !
Wait, so you mentioned in your video, that a mammoth can easily kill a unit of phoenix guard. Now a while ago I praised phoenix guard, because it was the only unit which managed to fully brace against a mammoth charge and take close to no casualties, whilst fully killing it (Tbf I don't play on Legendary and it was my phoenix guard against the enemy mammoth) Maybe somethings have changed since then, but for me phoenix guard did great against mammoths. Edit: No Sister of Averlorn Doomstack? That was surprising....
One on One is different from stack to stack. A mammoth can't stun lock a unit of phoenix guard but 5-6 of them would stun lock and charge through 5-6 PG units. Once in melee, due to wide area of attack and disruption, the 18 mammoths simply hit and push the guards away most of the time before they have any chance to deal damage.
@@huntermad5668 Yeah, sounds fair. But then again, in SP campaign you won't encounter a Mammoth Doomstack. The most mammoths I've ever seen in an AI army was like... 4 maybe 5? The Norscan AI likes Giants tho
1 the Ai is dumb 2 when you rool eith a doomstack of mamoths you will never fight a full stack of phoenix guard 3 it's about what performs better for you not agains you, like ye maybe a full stack of phoenix gard could beat a mammoth stack but you would do much better with a mammoth stack youself because mammoths are much better in a siege agains other mele infantry and agains missiles. It'd like you would say criptonite is the best because it beats supermen but in fact criptonite is useless agains anything but supermen.
I actually find ancient stegadon spam with engine of the gods to be far more effective than normal stegadons, mostly due to how the ai won't charge at you at the beginning of the battle, and will stand in place. This time gives you the time to spam earthblood/life bloom cheese (switch-cancel spells before every cast = endless healing) heals on your stegs, which brings them to full health before the melee. This isnt even mentioning the 17-19 wind spells that you get to spam like crazy. Not only does the spell decimate infantry, but pretty much anything above 20 models per unit gets wrecked by the wind spell. When you combine this aoe spell for infantry damage with certain lore of beasts and lore of heavens debuffs it really can't be stopped. One other thing to be mentioned as well is that this unit is ranked more highly for some reason in comparisons for the "faster and stronger enemies nearby" and "forces outnumbered by the enemy" penalties which can be huge potential caps since the first penalty can reach a max of -26 very easily and the second has essentially no cap (I've seen it at -72 and it was still going higher). In fact, I've seen a full stegadon army route vs a dark elf army that only had a few sisters of slaughter and some cold one cav because of these penalties.
Such a wasted opportunity with the final stack, i never knew such "doomstack" ever existed, but how could you not call it the "UGA BUGA stack"? Like you said, all you have to do is walk up to them and cast UGA BUGA (doom and darkness) and the whole army routs, the most hilarious doomstack i have ever seen really.
Waaay too expensive I think , but they make a very strong doomstack nonetheless , if like 18 dragons breathed on an army before engagement they'll do a ton of damage .
He answered in streams before. Dragons are expensive (not a big problem if you play as high elves), slow, breath attacks require a lot of micro management and they have really big hit boxes.
Honestly I think the sisters of avelorn deserves a spot on the top 5. With teclis and a light mage, that's 2 nets of amyntok you can overcast to net basically the entire army in some circumstances, by the time that spell is over most armies would be dead, and Teclis can heal off any ranged damage. Or you could use a regular lord with the puntive trait (+20%missile damage for army, -10% missile resistance to enemy armies), and 2 light wizards and 1 life wizard for the nets and heals. EVEN better is if your mages have the protective or negator traits, which just gives them access to spells outside of their specialty that would help a lot!
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That war mammoth charge gave me such a major return of the king flashback
I generally don't like using Doomstacks since I don't find they lead to fun battles, but the War Mammoth horde is one I love. Simply to recreate the Return of the King battle
I think that was his intention
REFORM THE LINE! Reform the line! Sound the charge; take them head on. CHAAARGE!!
Sp1125 I was expecting the word boner to be in that sentence
@@gutspepe211 be killed by a spear 4 seconds later
Who would win:
Over 2000 of Sigmar's finest
Or
12 stinky goats?
@@mcmarkmarkson7115
Seen it Alot when you get unlucky and dwarves felt it's a slayer day.
Anyway Slayers aren't that formidable in melee.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115
They aren't that formidable even beaten 3 stacks with only 5 loses that was spell backfiring.
Savage orcs the tier 1 unit might beat them with wurzagh, darkelves black arc handbows would just skirmish mode them, almost anything you can think of works against slayers, even cycle charging with cavalry works because they don't have mass.
Aren't you actually arguing over if slayer can beat 12 stinky goats?
MC Mark Markson I would expect you just spam purple sun to deal with slayers, and spirit leaches to deal with steam tanks. However I don’t think you can handle a full stack from either.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115
Savage orcs with wurzag would make a meal out of slayers.
Try it first before you say your certain hell Skarsniks gobo horde might beat them they're that weak their tier 4 but hardly punch like a tier 4.
"This particular stack is really particular" ~LegendofLinguistics
I appreciate your profile pic .
@@ahmadtarek7763 thanks, blackflag was an awesome game
He's Australian. I mean, linguistics isn't his strong suit.
@@sheevpalpatine2732 I played Black Flag again for the first time in a while, and I remember why I loved it now.
AUSSIE GANG
"Emperor, 12 stinky goats are attacking our lands!"
"Oh. My. Sigmar. CALL IN THE STEAMTANKS!"
Flagellants: "Allow us to introduce ourselves."
@@estroll5034 sons of sigmar and Carroburg greatswords too
@@estroll5034 be sure to have volknar the grimdank to introduce them
SUMMON THE ELECTOR TANKS
LmaoXD
number one is the pinnacle of cheese
the cheese is strong in this video
@@professoul7176 NURGLE'S FOUL STINK
Peter Lee beastmen pacifist campaign incoming
Yeah, I could see this sort of thing result in CA getting rid of heroes stacking abilities.
@@Aethgeir Hopefully not.
So beastmen truly are the masters of the art of war, they can literally win without fighting
The art of fighting without fighting.
A good general goes ito the fight and win. A perfect general wins and then go into the fight :)
@@molybdaen11 'winning ten battles out of ten is not the ultimate in perfection.'
Sun Tzu would be proud seeing this kind of army
by not showering? yikes
Sounds like someone needs to tell Spiffing Brit that the Beastmen are a perfectly balanced faction with no exploits.
i see ur a man of culture ^^
Mmm yes, look at this gentle, mmm yes
he already did one but it was for the broken war chariots
So #1 is essentially just farting the enemy into submission?
Pretty much.
The army smells so bad that everyone kills themselves to get away with it.
But Slayers don't give a shit.
@@thisisaname5589 Is that a particularly nice pun?
I found that the Beastmen one wasn't really a doomstack but more of a cheese stack.
I mean sincerely, who the hell will waste so many time trying to recruit that many of shamans to put them all together into one army?!
To me the Mammoth doomstack is the actual first one because it isn't made of cheese and a super weird and inflexible way to approach the campaign.
Victor Silva Honestly a doomstack of any kind is kinda cheesing the game so lol
“To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting”. Sun Tzu
Looks like the beastmen took this to heart
A lot of you are disagreeing with his list because you're like "Ay, but a stack of X can beat a stack of Y." This isn't a list of the strongest doomstack in a doomstack versus doomstack situation. This is a list of the strongest doomstacks for steamrolling the campaign map, thats why things like the stegadons are so high--being able to fully heal your army between every battle just lets you lightning strike that friggin 8 full 20 stacks of dwarves thorgrim sends at you every campaign without breaking a sweat and with only a single army, in a single turn. It's not about how well a doomstack does fighting against a particular other doomstack, but how well a doomstack performs at pulling more then it's weight's worth on the campaign map.
0:41 Royal Hippogryph Knights
3:21 Dragon Ogre Shaggoths
6:07 Stegadons
8:34 War Mammoths
12:20 Nergl Leadership cheese
no necrofex colossus? now thats a real christmas miracle
That would be maybe 6-7 th in list, since it's not as good anymore after the nerfs to noctilus and necrofex colossus
The latest VC campaign saw a near full stack of NC melt away against thr lizardmen. They are not that strong anymore.
@Moo F
@Moo Well they still are a very very fun faction to play. Doomstack tactic is not as fun as a versatile army backed up by 3 Necrofex and a Bess anyway.
@Moo well they are still strong for sure, just will not rekt everything on their paths so easily
Skaven doomstack: having 4 stacks
lauwyNL Or ikit claw and a nuke lol
Life is cheap
Iv always wished that the Orcs and Skaven could bring more than 2 stacks to a battle at once. Orcs 3 with the WAAAAGH and skaven 4 anytime. It would make them so much more viable at the end game bc going 2v2 against end game dwarves is not fun lol
@@FirstLast-gk6lg yeah, like a real horde. Like locusts eating everything in their path, then move on
Only 4? Try 6
So that beastmen stack just smells so bad that the enemy refuses to fight.
Ben Snyder That’s actually pretty funny to think about. They are followers in chaos, but they suck in battle so instead they use their horrendous smell to disgust their rivals into submission lol
lol
@@knightshade3d51 Nurgle approve!
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
ROFL.
Sun Tzu would be proud.
@@omegastar19 u
Freaking Beastmen being Sun Tzu incarnate...
Better to out-stink your enemy than out-fight him?
More or less, it'd seem
If fighting is sure to result in victory then you must fight!
...
Sun Tzu said that.
Yes, he also said something like "Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy resistance without fighting."
I knew that from Sabaton's Art of War so cmiiw
I'm disappointed that my beloved Necrofex Colossus stack didn't make the cut. But I just need to build 19 more models of them and I can run an actual NC Doom Stack on the tabletop.
Wait you're the guy who built one right? Mate that kitbash was absolutely incredible. Really top quality work, I don't think that GW is capable of doing any better.
lol yes
the level of cheese in that #1 spot is pretty high, even for you. i love it
You can just taste the cheese by looking at em
Stinky cheese
The mammoth stack is impressive not gonna lie. Although it is pretty much hard countered by a legendary hero of the Wood Elves called Legolas.
Legolas has "The elven agility" ability, allowing him to essentially hijack a mammoth, turn the mammoth against its allies and then shoot it through the head to get rid of it. So he can basically get rid of multiple mammoths at once with this ability. Unfortunately for him, that still only counts as one, so the game will tell you that he only killed one.
And one other op thing about him is that whenever he fights close to any dwarf he will activate his "Overcompetitive Elf Boi" passive, causing him to move 100% faster to get more kills than any dwarf in his close proximity.
Truly op hero.. He needs some nerfs to be honest.
lol
The Mammoth spam is also weak against legolas
THAT STILL ONLY COUNTS AS ONE!!!!
The book version is fucked though.
Yeah I heard that Legolas has "The elven agility" ability, allowing him to essentially hijack a mammoth, turn the mammoth against its allies and then shoot it through the head to get rid of it. So he can basically get rid of multiple mammoths at once with this ability. Unfortunately for him, that still only counts as one, so the game will tell you that he only killed one.
And one other op thing about him is that whenever he fights close to any dwarf he will activate his "Overcompetitive Elf Boi" abilitity, causing him to move 100% faster.
Truly op hero.. He needs some nerfs to be honest.
Youd need a Legolas Doomstack tho
Malagor: Excuse me sir, I hope my horrible ugliness won’t be a distraction to you
Archeon: Not at all boy *sniffs* TEEEAGHHH!! *Runs away*
i cant-
This is absolutely hilarious
Or Archaon: What vile stench! remove it! (Sends in a stack of chaos spawn)
@@Aredel proceedes to get wiped out
Giorgia Marino Well, chaos spawn are unbreakable, and they chew through both infantry and monsters alike. They eat beastmen for breakfast.
9:38 looks like battle of Pelennor Fields reconstruction
Aggressive Tubesock talk about hate
@Aggressive Tubesock lol, your dad must be proud of you. If he ever comes back from buying cigarettes, that is.
@Aggressive Tubesock Jesus, so salty on Christmas day, get laid man.
@Aggressive Tubesock 11:22 looks like cav to me
Oh and go outside bud staying inside all day isn't mentally healthy
"Reform the line! Reform the line! Take them head on!"
"To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." - Sun Tzu
Empire spearman: "Run the beastmen are coming to scare us away! Oh no they are gonna scare us so hard!"
Vertti Sahala I mean if they all smelled that bad I’d be running too
Nurgle is pleased
We demand a list of honorable mentions! So doomstack that were considered, their strength and why they didnt made it on the list!
*sad empire and high elves sounds*
Merry Cheesemass
"Supreme excellence is breaking the enemy's will without fighting"- Sun Tzu
I would like to see your recommended late game compositions/doomstacks for each faction.
Not every faction has a Doomstack, like empire or arguably dark elves or dwarfs. Also that video would take too long to make. If you stick around during streams or ask you can easily get some army compositions. If you have any particular ones, you can even ask here and if I ever heard them in a stream or know I could tell you :)
@@ikitclaw4852 dark elfs can go all dragons or all shades
what about cheap, fast and easily available lothern sea guard doomstack ?
for dwarfs just go with about 6 ironbreakes,heroes and rest artillery
@@ikitclaw4852 Is the steamtank+life wizard not viable anymore?
CA taking notes for the next nerfs. Great video, great everything. Please do a number 5 to 10 doom stacks, not just the top 5.
Watch them make "local army/region/province effects don't stack anymore" swing
Really gives "I fart in your general direction" a whole new meaning
The Empire: *exists*
Stinky Goat: "I'm about to end this man's whole career"
Is the empire weak??
@@jotaro2690 no, play the game
@@gerryjtierney fun thing is empire is one of the armies that have several viable counters to this particular doomstack. Flagellants (specially buffed by Volkmar), steam tanks, Carroburg greatswords and the ROR swordsmen are all of them unbreakable, so they can at least fight back.
Timestamps
Doomstack #5 0:40
Doomstack #4 3:22
Doomstack #3 6:08
Doomstack #2 8:34
Doomstack #1 12:20
Regular Beastmen: Low-Tier faction.
Stinky Beastmen: *_Sun 'Motherfucking' Zhu_*
For someone looking for a Dark Elf doomstack, Morathi performs and works very similarly to the Beastmen. Shroud is -10 leadership in the province, couple it with a Kharybdiss howl for -8 and the -10 from fear and a a nice Doom and Darkness cast and you will route most armies on contact. Confederate Malus for his -7 in the same province and one of his followers for an additional -10 and now nothing can fight you, with the bonus of you have the Dark Elf economy instead of Beastmen or Lizards.
You forgot withering spell from shadow lore -8 leadership, fire magic burning skull-12(?), and Assassin discourage poison.
How do you even hold provinces as the DE, I get a rebellion every 5 turns so I must be missing out on the DE economy meme
@@stoopid6036
You don't hold more than 1 or 2 for a long time like every other faction.
@@stoopid6036 kill rebels=free slaves, whats the problem?
A vbad anon acount build torture posts to combat public order fluctuations and spec into public order on your lords. That’s what I do anyways. Sack settlements that aren’t suitable climates.
"If you can stink like a putrid cheese, you can win without needing to fight"
- Sun Tzu
Now let’s see how many Saving your disaster campaigns/battles are gonna have one of these doomstacks!
I gotta say, I was surprised that there were no necrofex colossi with Noctilus, but I think that would definitely be an honorable mention.
Random Beastlord: "So Malagor is winning all of these battles huh? How is it that he's so strong? How much delicious human blood has his army spilt?"
Bray Shaman: "Apparently they’re pacifists my lord."
Beastlord: "Wut?"
Merry Christmas Legend! Personally think carnosaur doomstack should be on this list but can’t argue too much
I think Shaggots are just better, so Carno Doomstack is just a lower version of the Shaggoth Doomstack really.
Not dread saurians?
@@kirillshakhnovskiy6140 dread saurians are limited by settlements, which makes them worse
@@ikitclaw4852 Shaggoths have much better attack animations, which is what really sets them apart. The animations are pretty basic, probably because they were a day 1 DLC, but that lets them stay on target very easily.
@@AndrewSmith-qn5vb How does that make them worse in battle? It makes them more difficult to build up, but that's not really relevant for this list.
Nice been waiting for this for ages!
Shout out the Ikit range doomstack!
Dakka stack
I remember fighting a doomstack of warmammoths from norsca. It was tough taking them down because they wrecked one of my towns but I managed to get gelt with halbediers and hand gunners into the town in the wasteland. ( this eas before they made the change in the update.) They assaulted the walls, half of the mammoths were weakened from an earlier battle but they managed to get inside. I clogged the whole entry with the halbadiers and kept focus fire with my hand gunners. It was a tough fight but aftwr the enwmy lord was killed and half of the war mammoths were gone or routed the battle was over. That was one of the toughest fights that I remember facing. I just hope I don't have to deal with that again.
For the #1 spot I see you took that Bruce Lee quote to heart:
"The art of fighting without fighting"
- Bruce LEe
This is the video I have been craving since your first top 5!
Thank you Legend,
Merry Christmas to you and yours
Beastmen: Boo!
Everything: k bye
That one RoR in the army: *Laughs in unbreakable*
Beastman: _:o_
Was really surprised not to see the necrofex colossus as number 1
I have actually found a Dark Paladin Doomstack with Malus quite effective, especially against the dwarfs.
I was able to take out Ungrim and Grombrindal at the same time, with their late game armies, in the same battle, on legendary.
I would call that effective.
Jamaly although that may be true, you still need to be overcome their massive armor, sturdiness and leadership
If you dont have a wind of death setup, you will have a hard time
@@jamaly77 I believe Legend himself considers the dwarfs the hardest late game faction to fight, due to their usual snowball effect. +isn't artillery kind of their gimmick?
fucking blue… BLUE tide of dwarves neverending stacks… annoying af
Why only with Malus? He does not have any buff for them. no?
Krieg Korpsman what is a dark paladin
"supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance, without fighting"
-Malagor the dark omen
14:00 "Let's meet these foul creatures on their turf and show them the might warriors of Kislev hold, open the gat..."
4:40 I've found that mixing regular dragon ogres in at a 1:1 ratio actually works better. The reality is that most enemies are infantry.
14:15 Gorebull's name "Beef Wellington".
You sir are winning the internet!
Wulfrik's sorcerer's name is Benny Hill @9:22
More like Beef Smellington! Eh? eh?
Top 5 Artillery!
*laughs in Skaven artillery*
@@fenrirsulfr42 The Casket of Souls post patch seems pretty powerful.
Laughs in Casket of Souls and Hellcannon
@@ElBandito it got a big nerf in the hotfix after the patch
@@LucoZaiiDe I used it post hotfix and it was still powerful.
Malus Darkblade with the Sword of Khaine. No army needed.
Finally the long anticipated doomstack video
Sadly no snikch disciplined assassin doomstack on the list:( merry christmas Legend, thanks for the amazing content!
The vampires don't have the -8 from devolve, but they have access to "The Withering" from the lore of Shadows that also applies the same penalty.
Ah man, I called Count Noctilus and a Necrofex Collosi doomstack before the video and I was wrong.
0:01 Him: “Legend of Total War here”
Close captions: *Legend up the wall here*
I do think the Star Dragon Doomstack should be here, I can absolutely understand that you don't like them, but they wreck nearly anything (example stegadon doomstack)
Worth noting that high elf's get lore of life too!
yes they have insane stats with all the buffs and honesty a fully upgraded star dragon (red skill tree, tech buffs, follower that gives 10md) actually kills anything one on one
50% more expensive, Tier 5 in comparison to 4, bolt throwers better than the breath attacks, most of the enemies are dead before reaching melee where as Star Dragons do their damage in melee.
@@sirgaz8699 1. you can get a dragon willed prince and get the building wich makes drsgons even cheaper
2. high elves don't have money problems when you get to the high tier buildings
3. are you actually trying to say a eagle claw catapult stack is a good doomstack?
Legend doesn't like dragons in general, they're slow, big hitboxes, breath attacks need micro management and such reasons i heard from him in previous streams. But he did say that they're really strong and will win most fight.
Personally, i think it's a fun doomstack for high elves in the late game when you're bored of sister of avelorn.
The cheese on the top 1 doomstack is absolutely dripping my entire being shivers lmao. How to win by scaring the enemy away - BE EXTRA MUSKY.
Ironically slayers would be a good counter to the beastmen doomstack
Steam Tanks doomstack
Beastmen remind me of that 1 MMA fighter who didn't shower for weeks and rubbed fish on himself to give him the edge.
Beastmen: Fear....the city is rank with it!
They're probably just smelling themselves.
Have you tried running minotaur units with 4 or more heroes with unsated bloodthirst? It's a trait that increases the weapon strength of all minotaur units in your army by 10% and it stacks. I just played through a beastmen campaign and my minotaurs had weapon strength of 230 and melee attack of 95 when near both of my gorebulls since both of them give all units near them a +16 bonus to melee attack. They've also got leadership of 111 because of my 2 gorebulls,so they're basically unbreakable.
9:47 literally just Rohirrim charging mumakils
at first i thougt the number one is the Collosal Carnifex of Vampire coast spam...
oh they got nerfed, nevermind
*Cries in Imperial Panzer division
can you imagine stinking so horrendous, that the enemy looses all will to fight you.....dayum....
Top 5 nerfstacks
Hopefully not.
Thanks dude, appreciate the effort that went into making this video
Need an update
The video I have been waiting for.
love it
One thing to note, Norsca can do the -Leadership doomstack as well. They get the 'Misshapen' trait on all heroes / Lords, which gives -5 Leadership to all enemies in region. They also get access to both Death and Shadows, which offers -8 Leadership/-30 Armor in an AoE. Lastly, with a Marauder Chieftain, you get access to two key skills - one, Seduction of the Serpent, gives your Lord an on-hit debuff that reduces leadership even further, and the other being a Mammoth mount. The mammoth gives you Siege Attacker, inflicts Fear/Terror, and lets you kill unbreakable units.
It's like the Beastmen doomstack, except instead of overpowering stench it's your horrifying, misbegotten visage that drives them from the field.
Finally!!!!
Yeah!!!! Here we go!! What a great X-mas present. Thanks Legend.
"Beastmen are the weakest faction in the game"
Me, always struggling with getting destroyed by beastmen
*nervous sweating* 😅😅😅😅
Do not understood too. The only reason why they weak - hord faction sucks in whtw2. But beastman have very strong roster imo.
Highly disagree with your number one pick, Grail reliquae spam is the way to go, and deserves the top pick for a doomstack.
Yes-yes more videos
I agree with all your choices but the Necrofex Collosus should have been given an honourable mention if not a place in top 5..
Merry Christmas to you and your family..
Try Ikit Claw with Sword of Khaine.
I was totally not expecting him to not include necrofex colossus
Honestly i am sad there wasn't any necrofex colossus doom stack spam in this top 5. I got like 3 armies of them in my dreadfleet campagin, at this point, i am just going around and razing everything cause nothing can stop me.
necrofex are bad in melee...
No Necrofex Collosus on the list? Im shocked. Wasnt long ago that Legend was saying it's the strongest doomstack by far, and only sometimes consodering whether mammoths might be better. But to not even make it in the top 5? Also, Chaos shrine mammoths also have the benefit of being unbreakable and will fight till the last drop of that massive hp pool. So saying that mammoth spam can't do anything against beastmen doomstack is not necessarily true if you use warshrine mammoths.
Wait a minute, I didn't see a star dragon doom stack, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I always feel proud supporting LegendofTotalWar , he admits to his faults and I feel like his honesty is admirable. Even his nasty smelling cheese.
i think these are pretty poor doom stacks made from one unite.
First off all chaos can get a doomstack of heavy infantary way earlier in the game, by turn 15-20 that beats everything it meets... most of these are only available late game, they are also super expensive, and not really much stronger or more versitle. they all have massive weaknesses.
At that point in the game you might as well mix in some other units. There is very little value in running these setups.
On which difficulty are you playing?
@@waldemarmarwalde6817 I've played all difficulties.
Im not sure how you think that matters? Unless you're saying on easy this is a perfect strategy. Im not saying you can't use these stacks, I'm saying at the point on the game where you can build and afford these stacks you can get better doomstacks by taking more variation, and if you want a 1 unit stack you should go chaos, because that heavy infantry will win any siege or open battle and can be build by turn 15. All these armies have clear weaknesses, or struggle taking forts.
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LegendofTotalWar LoL after years of dismissing abilities like lower leadership - you managed to surprise me ! well done on the number one and this video !
Wait, so you mentioned in your video, that a mammoth can easily kill a unit of phoenix guard. Now a while ago I praised phoenix guard, because it was the only unit which managed to fully brace against a mammoth charge and take close to no casualties, whilst fully killing it (Tbf I don't play on Legendary and it was my phoenix guard against the enemy mammoth)
Maybe somethings have changed since then, but for me phoenix guard did great against mammoths.
Edit: No Sister of Averlorn Doomstack? That was surprising....
Did you test it in custom battle or in campaign? Because obviously in campaign Mammonths massibly benefiting from op leader bonuses.
One on One is different from stack to stack.
A mammoth can't stun lock a unit of phoenix guard but 5-6 of them would stun lock and charge through 5-6 PG units. Once in melee, due to wide area of attack and disruption, the 18 mammoths simply hit and push the guards away most of the time before they have any chance to deal damage.
@@gilgamesh4869 It was in a Vortex campaign and it wasn't a "test", it was a normal battle like, I got attacked by a Norscan Army
@@huntermad5668 Yeah, sounds fair. But then again, in SP campaign you won't encounter a Mammoth Doomstack. The most mammoths I've ever seen in an AI army was like... 4 maybe 5? The Norscan AI likes Giants tho
1 the Ai is dumb 2 when you rool eith a doomstack of mamoths you will never fight a full stack of phoenix guard 3 it's about what performs better for you not agains you, like ye maybe a full stack of phoenix gard could beat a mammoth stack but you would do much better with a mammoth stack youself because mammoths are much better in a siege agains other mele infantry and agains missiles. It'd like you would say criptonite is the best because it beats supermen but in fact criptonite is useless agains anything but supermen.
Full stack of necrofex colossus should have been number 1 in this list.
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I actually find ancient stegadon spam with engine of the gods to be far more effective than normal stegadons, mostly due to how the ai won't charge at you at the beginning of the battle, and will stand in place. This time gives you the time to spam earthblood/life bloom cheese (switch-cancel spells before every cast = endless healing) heals on your stegs, which brings them to full health before the melee. This isnt even mentioning the 17-19 wind spells that you get to spam like crazy. Not only does the spell decimate infantry, but pretty much anything above 20 models per unit gets wrecked by the wind spell. When you combine this aoe spell for infantry damage with certain lore of beasts and lore of heavens debuffs it really can't be stopped.
One other thing to be mentioned as well is that this unit is ranked more highly for some reason in comparisons for the "faster and stronger enemies nearby" and "forces outnumbered by the enemy" penalties which can be huge potential caps since the first penalty can reach a max of -26 very easily and the second has essentially no cap (I've seen it at -72 and it was still going higher). In fact, I've seen a full stegadon army route vs a dark elf army that only had a few sisters of slaughter and some cold one cav because of these penalties.
I will just add that engines with death laser from the sky are far cooler than skink bois shooting darts, thus its a superior doomstack.
Such a wasted opportunity with the final stack, i never knew such "doomstack" ever existed, but how could you not call it the "UGA BUGA stack"? Like you said, all you have to do is walk up to them and cast UGA BUGA (doom and darkness) and the whole army routs, the most hilarious doomstack i have ever seen really.
I've wanted this for sooooooo long , thank you .
What about dragon stacks?
Waaay too expensive I think , but they make a very strong doomstack nonetheless , if like 18 dragons breathed on an army before engagement they'll do a ton of damage .
He answered in streams before. Dragons are expensive (not a big problem if you play as high elves), slow, breath attacks require a lot of micro management and they have really big hit boxes.
0:42 Bretonnia - Lord (Grail Vow completed), damsel of life (disciplined), Royal Hippogriff spam -- requires good micro
3:21 Chaos - Lord, sorcerer of fire (infernal dominance), exalted hero (infernal dominance), Dragon Ogre Shaggoth spam -- recommend Lightning Strike
6:08 Lizardmen - Lord (Life Slann), Skink Priest of Heavens (disciplined), Saurus Scar-Vet (disciplined), skink chief (disciplined), stegadon (Tier 4) spam -- recommend lightning strike
8:33 Norsca - Lord, Fire Shaman, war mammoths spam (regular mammoths easier than variant) -- recommend lightning strike
12:19 Beastmen - Fear of Nurgle Stink trait min/max
Bruh and the necrofex collosus wasn't on the list lol
9:30 (distant horns of oliphaunts) Rohan: "CHAAARGE!!"
Isn't it cool that even that first place Beastmen doomstack has something that would absolutely wreck it? A full slayer army led by Ungrim and Gotrek.
i still feel a Waywatcher Doomstack can be pretty disgusting. In fact, it deals so much ranged damage, it can definitely wipe Single Entities Fast.
Honestly I think the sisters of avelorn deserves a spot on the top 5. With teclis and a light mage, that's 2 nets of amyntok you can overcast to net basically the entire army in some circumstances, by the time that spell is over most armies would be dead, and Teclis can heal off any ranged damage. Or you could use a regular lord with the puntive trait (+20%missile damage for army, -10% missile resistance to enemy armies), and 2 light wizards and 1 life wizard for the nets and heals. EVEN better is if your mages have the protective or negator traits, which just gives them access to spells outside of their specialty that would help a lot!
What happened to the Vampire Coast's Necrofex Colossus spam? In the past you advocated it as the strongest army in the game! Awesome vid btw.