It was telling that Ruby's "Oscar speech" was thanking people for "saving her children" - instead of "My sadistic behavior is a life sentence for my children" - she's sad she was caught.
@@robinsaxophone232 thanking the neighbors should have been first. Thanking for the first responders and those who had the patience to let Eve decide when she felt safe enough to leave her cage regardless of how long it took? Did the sadistic Rubes thank them for that? Because that was the most precious, kindest, caring, empathetic, loving experience that child had ever experienced. There’s many places where she would have been forced to exit.
In her speech Ruby appeared to spend more time apologising to the adults who now have authority over her, than to her victims and acknowledging the damage she has done to them.
Her speech was total bullshit. She says Jodi brainwashed her. I think Jodi was pleased to know another person like her. She gave her a safe place to do these horrible things. But now that she’s facing prison, she’s saying Jodi brainwashed her. She did a 180 with her speech. I’m not buying it. It’s not possible for a person capable of torturing her kids to change that quickly. She was trying to manipulate the court for a reduced sentence.
Too many Mormons in Utah (2,1 million out of the population of 3.3 million). She'll be out for good behaviour. Watch them give the kids to the father...
@@samhartford8677 Apparently statistics have changed. Saw a study from 2023, and they were saying the population percentage is more likely around 42%, and of those 42%, not all are active in the church and practicing. That being said, I think the bigger problem will be, is that the courts aren't used to dealing with someone that made a living acting. And not just acting as in a movie or show, but someone who revolved their life (and the life of their family) around knowing what to do and say, to get the approval of the general public. For the average person, they're going to fall for the act. And if anything, it's going to be that act that gets her a ticket out of jail sooner.
@@Melly.K11 OK, thanks for the figures. That's better for justice. I just took the figures out of google. I believe your figures. But I completely agree with your point about the acting part. Very well said.
It would have been nice if she had recognised that her children had been actually hurt by her instead of thanking the officials for saving them. I don't believe her Oscar speech was authentic at all.
She will never admit it how R was such a hero by escaping and saving himself and his sister. Ruby has no idea what she was saying. It was from her head, not heart. She will not learn anything from what happened.
She didn't thank the neighbours who stepped up for her children and showed that brave boy more love & concern than he's had for months! I'm the ambulance he had a bag with some snack I assume they have him because they already gave him a banana & a drink. I think they should have got an award for what they did, if they'd not helped I don't think they'd have lasted until Halloween
When she was talking with someone over the phone, she said she has so much compassion for her sisters in prison. They suffered a lot, and she has compassion for herself. But never said how wrong she was and that she has compassion for her kids. She will never change. I hope her kids never speak to her again. She deserves life in prison.
RF's " thankfulness" to everyone skirts the issue that SHE abused her own children under the guise that she was " helping" them. Calling them demon- filled is a new level of abuse and evil itself. Thank you, Jennifer!!
Folie a deux 😩 The practices that were hidden in the IBLP/Duggar show was that children had to sleep together in a bed called "accountability beds" to prevent self exploration. In my childhood no one was permitted to close a door EVER: the bedroom, the bathroom, showers, toilet..... I think TLC skipped those rules.
Ruby’s Oscar acceptance speech was her playing the redemptive victim. She’s a narcissist extraordinaire. Even the way she said SHE CHOOSES TO GO TO PRISON. She has serious control issues. They aren’t sending her to prison. She’s choosing to go. And she is shedding her toxic layers and accepting that she has to do all this. No one is making her. If she wanted to thank all those people, that’s wonderful. But write them a letter. That was the appropriate vehicle for those thank-yous. But she had to do it for show. She had to flaunt her peacock feathers for everyone to see. Look what a great redemption figure I am! I’m going to thank all these people and I know all their names and everything they did. And she should have spent those seven minutes talking about what she did to her children, and how sorry and remorseful she is to her children. But instead she barely talked about the children & when she did, she talked about what she was doing that was so good for her chicks. But then she talked more about how she was leading them at the end & she did go to the dark and dangerous waters, but they were out of it now and all those people had helped them. And she wrapped that up with a bow.
Some people find Jesus too quickly after being in prison. I don’t believe that at all. Her speech was horrible. It was better not saying anything. Chris watts did the same, saying over the phone that he is in prison so God can use him to preach the gospel. Gosh, God does not need people to go to prison to spread the gospel. Actually, pastors, preachers and evangelists are welcome at prisons.
As a childhood trauma survivor this story hits home on such a deep level. I so clearly see sadistic parenting at play and understand what that looks like. I’m so glad her children were saved. My heart aches because I know what their future healing looks like.
If Ruby truly meant what she said don’t you think the first person she should have thanked would have been her son who escaped to get help? She listed every single cop, lawyer, family member, and cps worker by name but only referred to her 6 children as her chicks. Couldn’t be bothered with individual apologies for them. I also have a hard time believing she was totally brainwashed but simply snapped out of it in a few months with the wonderful mental healthcare she received in jail.
She outright said as soon as my kids are 18 they can go. She's MADE money of her babies lives but they get NOTHING.. She hated her kids she never loved them they are there to do her duty by the church. That's why yet them.at 18. Plus her utter callousness towards Shari when she needed to go to the ER and she DIDNT rush to get her there she boasted about all the stuff she did THEN showered THEN filmed.. before she unconcerned finally took her child to the ER. That's the clue SHE is not a good mother. Never truly was.
I would mention him, because he is a hero. I am so proud of that kid, R is such a hero. He will be okay, and I hope he doesn’t see her ever again. Unless she recognizes how bad she is.
bingo. I know her minor children will probably not hear it any time soon but still would have gone a long way to feeling honest if she had appoligied directly to them or thanked anyone for saving them.
No Rubt is not sorry. She is sorry she was caught. She is sorry that she has to have consequences. Her phone calls showed her words were nothing more to look better than Jodie and get less time. Kevin is not sorry or upset of what Ruby did. He was part of the mental and emotional abuse in the 8 passengers videos. She documented the abuse in the 8 passengers videos with the same pride as she did in the diary. Ruby, Kevin and Jodie are dangyto any and all children. If Kevin gets his hands on the two youngest children, he will make them pay for what happened.He never said what she did was wrong, he did not disagrees with her actions or statements she made of her children. He agrees with her horrible statements about the children.
I agree. Having been raised in IBLP(cult the duggars are in) I recognize all of the excuses and hogwash they use to support their actions. My sorrow comes from knowing that these children are facing a lifetime of issues. My greatest hope is that each one finds a great therapist. The reality is that many will face a life of addictions, emotional instability, anger/hate, and illness both mental and physical. My heart breaks for them and for the 3 people I've found who escaped the cult I was raised in. 😢
I facepalmed myself into next month when the prosecutor actually said he thought Ruby less complicit than Jodi. Then, when he spoke of his beliefs about abuse not happening in rich households, I found myself wondering if he is truly that clueless about patterns of abuse, or if the Utah justice system is that polluted with people blinded by their faith based beliefs about parental 'authority' and filial obedience. These children have been traumatized for life. There is no 'going back' to any kind of normal for them. It will take a lifetime of therapy and daily awareness for them to ever be able to cope with this level of destructive programming. Why should their abusers suffer a lesser consequence than their victims? Maximum sentence for these women. Words of remorse alone will never heal the wounds they inflicted on these innocent children.
It was an act! She didn’t direct any empathy toward her children especially the two she injured. She tried to say she was drawn down a dark path. She didn’t say she was devastated at what she had done. She talked about making the wrong choices. She didn’t talk about the abuse she inflicted on her children. Somehow it was Jodi’s fault. She didn’t thank R for escaping, and saving her from facing a murder charge.
She is already so empathetic towards the inmates, but none for her own children, I can’t feel nothing for her. Hope the kids stay away from her and from Kevin.
Even years back on the eight passenger videos, those two youngest children always seem to be treated, most harshly, especially for their young age. She did such mean horrible things to them. That eventually grew into physical abuse, as well as escalated mental abuse.
I didn't watch from their channel, but I picked that up as well. It was as though Ruby became resentful of having them and the responsibilities that come with having children.
she said she didn't want those two youngest kods. but Kevin did. maybe that's the reason. I think she basically doesn't like(not even love) children at all. but she had them anyway cuz they are mormon. in the 8passengers video, you can clearly see that children are burden for her and she thouhgt she did them a favor, and kids are evil!! never thanked her!! and still she used their children for money and still their money from the bank account.
And as soon as Mary Kay got out she did it again. No matter what Ruby is doing she shouldn’t be getting out. I think she tried to kill her children. I wish she had been charged that way
It is not possible for a narcissist to say they are the problem - or wrong- they are either the hero or victim - from a child of narcissism- who has waited a lifetime for something that will never happen - an apology- beautiful selfish women get by with a lot
If she was sincere in her ridiculous apology she would have been on her knees bawling her eyes out apologizing first and foremost to her children not apologize to everyone including the kitchen sink and then lastly a few words to her children. Fake Fake Fake.
When the prosecutor made comments about how “typically” abuse doesn’t happen in rich neighborhoods, I lost all respect for him. How much more clueless could he be, seriously?!
Rich people frequently abuse their kids emotionally. They too dump their kids into " problem kid " ranches/camps or send them to boarding schools where they are not always happy or safe. I agree that Person deserved to loose trust.
That's not really what he said. He said the police don't often get called and dispatched to go to wealthy neighborhoods, or that type of neighborhood, not that wealthy people don't abuse their children or spouses. But with the houses far apart as they were in that neighborhood and with the privacy that affluence brings the police don't get as many complaints. And I think he was speaking about complaints in general, not necessarily child abuse.
She believed that ?God? would protect her when a recorded phone call from the jail had her bragging "I will show remorse and repentance which will get me less time". After being raised in an IBLP home I was saved by the state/gov rules of adoption. My brother was beaten weekly with pool sticks and buckles. I, however, could not be touched. TLC is complicit with the abuse in the IBLP families. This is not speculation. It is my own personal observance and fact. Ruby, Jody and even Josh D are being extolled as martyrs, persecuted and tortured for their religious beliefs. 👺🔥 Let's go there and speak truth! Utah's gov is not influenced but controlled by the LDS. The deep South Bible Belt states are 💯 controlled and propped up by evangelical fundamentalism.
Don’t forget at the accident Ruby didn’t even know E was in the van long after the older kids left. She was more concerned about filming an accident that they weren’t hit in, than knowing where her own daughter was. That broke my heart way before Ruby went off the rails.
I recognize you from another channel, but can't figure out where... Anyway.. So Ruby wasn't even involved in that accident?! I hadn't seen or heard about it before
Don’t lose sight of the fact that in her court statement, Ruby thanked people for saving her from herself BUT she never apologized to the children. How can you take responsibility for your deeds if you don’t apologize to the victims for the harm you did.
I didn't perceive remorse from Ruby's speech. She could have said a lot of things, if she'd been sincere...she should have been expressing sheer horror at what her children suffered, but she didn't, she just basically blamed Jodi. She tried to be poetic, calling her kids her "little chicks," which just made me sick. They're not little chicks, they are her victims.
@@xandrathemedium5935 Wow, you nailed it. I couldn't put my finger on it or explain it, but I didn't perceive any genuine emotion from her about the kids. Of course she has to disassociate from them...after what she did to them, she probably can't even confront thinking about them at all. And she had to disassociate from them in the first place, to be able to do those horrible things.
She is not normal, narcissistic personality. She will never change and I hope the kids stay away from her. She will inflict pain in them over and over. She is playing victim already.
I'm from Utah with some family who are Mormon (I'm a Never-Mo). Would it be a stretch to say that it's easy for Ruby and others to talk and make speeches (like baring a testimony) bc it's such a common practice both inside and outside of the church, and that's why Ruby can come across well-spoken if she needs to?
@JustJ-Me Absolutely. But their 11th article of faith is the reason I think we get the Chad Daybells, Ruby Frankes, and Jodi Hildebrandts. There are many members within that religion doing their own interpretations of the faith. The church cosigns it imo, these on the side members use church grounds and facilities for their extracurricular activities. Jodi's own niece at sacrament meetings with duct tape on her mouth. Nobody called Jodi out for it. Nobody. What a disgraceful religion created by a narcissistic grifter.
@@JustJ-MeI have to agree with you on that one. Making "heartfelt" impassioned speeches is an integral part of the Morman experience. I left the church decades ago, but to this day, public speaking remains as natural to me as chatting with a friend. It's a skill that has served me very well in my adult life.
Hi, I've been watching a lot of true crime shows lately, specifically about those two horrible women. Out of each website I've followed, I like yours the most. It's informative and well-presented.
Utah authorities don’t appear to acknowledge child abuse unless there’s obvious physical damage. Yes, Kevin was involved in emotional abuse but not physical. That’s why he wasn’t charged.
Dr John Mathias, from Hidden True Crime said that E is messed for life and it will be hard to help her. Not impossible, but hard, because the abuse was emotional. That is the problem with society, Kevin is as guilty as Jodi and Ruby.,but the law doesn’t recognize his role. But he is guilty and I hope he does not get close to the kids, ever.
He knew the kids were doing forced labor in the extreme heat, being locked out all night in the snow, the child labor, the punishment camp, and that Ruby was sadistic. The getaway driver from a murder also gets charged with murder. The judge is a.specially sanctioned member, high up in the cult. Their jobs to minimize anything that makes the church look unhinged. The fact that Ruby and her husband were talking about her being released tells me a lot. The way Kevin was "allowed" use of his own house that he bought and he that ked her for it? It's all about coercive control. If he got the kids, he would gaslight the Crappy out of them, make the think they're crazy to think it was really that bad... They need to be away from the whole Mormon co trolled system,.otherwise they'll still be under the influence.of the same.people who empowered and recommended Jody to everyone. Don't. Forget. Jody had the full backing of the Mormon church even though she had her license suspended 12 z years ago and other people have spoken out for years about what she did to them- Jesse Hildebrand, for example. This was all.part of a cult SYSTEM, and the kids need to be freed from the ENTIRE SYSEM. Can't the FBI step in when there's this much coercive control and undue influence over outcomes?
Oh and she stopped her channel because of petitions and calls to CPS about her behavior. Cops came to Ruby and Kevin’s house before Jodi. And I would bet Jodi liked the fact that Ruby knew how to grow a channel and make that money. Because Ruby started going onto Jody‘s TH-cam channel and website. Also, listen to Kevin’s 2nd interview with the police. Jody would say she had night terrors so Ruby would always go comfort her and stay in her room. This was during a time when Kevin and the kids and Ruby all were staying at Jody‘s house for some weird reason. And then it turned into Ruby saying I’m just gonna sleep up there every night and then they also had that other lady up there too. so I think there was something going on. I think that’s why Jody would separate women from their husbands because I think Jody was hurt or something went wrong in her past to make her hate men whether it was her father or maybe she had a doting father, and then men didn’t treat her the same way. something happened obviously. she is divorced and doesn’t have custody of her own children. I think we need to get away from always thinking that one person is the manipulator and one person is the poor victim. I think sometimes there’s two manipulators that come together and become more powerful. it’s happening more and more. Being connected with everyone in the world isn’t necessarily a good thing because bad ideas can grow and they don’t seem that bad when other people are OK with them. It’s a sense of community and that can breed evil.
Jodi, the cult church, and Ruby are involved in child trafficking, period - the police didn't search for the videos taken of them torturing these children and selling same
@jlynn468 just a small insight to add to your story: Jodi stayed for a while at Ruby's and Kevin's, not the other way around. She was taken in by them after the Hannah's kicked her out of their house. The "other woman" you're referring to is Pam Bodtcher, the business partner of Jodi. They thee women (Ruby, Pam and Jodi) were entangled around the belief that Jodi was chosen by god to be an apostle of some kind. Religious beliefs, psychoticism, sadism, money, power seeking: it was a poisonous mixture for the Franke kids
I’m commenting too much but I am obsessed with this case. And I agree with so many of your comments. I totally agree about how the prosecutor is under Ruby’s spell. And what I really worry about is, he’s not looking at Ruby independently and what she as a mother did to her children. He’s comparing her to Jodi and how much worse Jodi is than Ruby. That’s just plain wrong. They are both equally awful, but their crimes should be looked at independently and not in relation to one another. That’s where he’s making his biggest mistake. He did say that had he not done a plea deal, that they could’ve been charged with all six counts and not done any jail time based on their first offender status. So doing the plea deal he was able to make them agree to actually do prison time. So I understand that, but he is giving Ruby way too much leeway and that woman needs to do at least 20 years in prison.
So glad to have found your channel. I have always respected your views in interviews I have seen so was excited to hear your in-depth take on this very complex and heartbreaking case along with Dr. Epright. I hope the parole board will look at all the evidence we have now unfortunately seen and will take the long-term effects on these precious children into account and will give them the max sentence allowable so justice will be served if that is at all possible.
@@BreakTheCase Hi! I wrote a comment that I would like you to consider. Enjoyed the discussion, by the way! "I think you should watch the YT video of Mormon Stories Podcast discussing this from the viewpoint of the Mormon teachings (Mormons explain Ruby Franke's journal). It will open your eyes. It opened mine. If they had truly repented they would have made religious references to where they erred. They did not. I really enjoyed the discussion - although after watching the Mormon Stories Podcast you will see that you were completely off on your analysis of the husband. If you do watch the podcast, I'd like to here you discuss that, because I still cannot make sense of it in terms of the law and psychology."
Absolutely! she didn’t play the “I’m sorry” card until she was taught by her lawyer a guilty plea would make it look like she was taking accountability. She says in one of the jail calls”they are looking to see if we are taking accountability” it’s strategic for her. I hope she stays in for maximum sentence.
@@samhartford8677 Their coverage is excellent. I listened to it on the recommendation of another commenter. I love these kinds of communities, the insight that we can all share when we discuss these cases makes a genuine difference in our ability to recognize -- and hopefully prevent -- future cases. Thank you!
3:58 - Actually this whole thing with the Franke children IS the problem with the LDS church. It was the LDS church who referred people to Jodi even though they were aware of her unethical practices. It was the LDS church who was made aware of the abuse happening to Jodi’s niece while in Jodi’s care and they did nothing to help Jessi (Jodi’s niece). It was the LDS church who wrote Jodi checks in the 1000s of dollars every month for Jodi’s “counseling” services. It is the LDS church who instructs its members to keep abuse and problems within the church and not go to “outsiders” but instead call the bishop (who never attends a formal seminary where they learn to counsel people) for help. It is the LDS church who lobbied hard state legislators so clergy wouldn’t have yo be mandated reporters in child abuse cases. This whole dysfunctional abusive situation falls squarely on the shoulders of the LDS church and that church needs to compensate its many, many victims.
I cannot believe the pictures I just saw. That was the first time I’ve seen those. That is just unbelievable that a mother could let and be the REASON that her children look like that! I’m literally sick oh my gosh. My children come to my head and I want to die just thinking about if my children ever had to endure such horrible experiences…let alone ME be the reason?? How disgusting of this woman to even think of herself as a mother?? How disgusting!
I hope they'll be huge protests if they try to release these women in a couple of years. Give those children a chance to grow up first, so those women cannot ever hurt them again.
I love the fact Dr. E brought up Mary Kay Letourneau. I am from WA state, this is a memorable case. The boy’s mother was hoodwinked by her, she pretended to simply be his teacher, having him over to “play w/ her son”, when in reality she was S.A. him, pregnant twice by this confused child. A man would have remained in prison for years under same circumstances but w/ girl becoming pregnant.
I believe that Ruby framed the statement she gave in court as an LDS testimony meeting. Similar to 12 Steps, which is what Jodi’s “therapy” is apparently based off of.
I believe she is sorry she got caught. Jodi too. And after I read Ruby’s journals, I was even more convinced. Now she’s trying to lay all the blame on Jodi. I think she wanted to be abusive to her children. Jodi gave her consent, but she was capable all by herself. I hope the parole board reads those journals and keeps her there until her youngest is an adult.
I don't even think that Jodi gave consent. Jodi gave her an opportunity. A nice isolated location, a mansion with a safe room. She could torture them whenever she felt like without any restraints. She didn't have to worry about people reporting her to CPS since she no longer had the channel and being business partners with Jodi allowed her to continue her facade of the loving mother despite being a psychopathic abuser. And Jodi validated her as well. She was probably the happiest at this point then she had ever been in her life until the arrest and her toys were taken away.
@@OmEvul1415 Ruby did things to her children that Jodi did to her niece Jessi. She got those ideas from Jodi. Such as the hair cutting, duct taping and isolating. We don’t know what else happened to the children because a lot of things were redacted from the journal.
The pain I have regarding this story is that I am reminded of my childhood growing up in the IBLP/the Duggar cult. I don't see a lot of differences. It has made me grateful again that my best friend, a new friend and myself all survived and escaped. 😡
Amazing video/discussion. you 2 communicate with each other so effectively it’s amazing to watch. You listen and build on eachother’s ideas and points so well and honestly It makes for a really engaging and informative watch. So yeh thank you guys for your points on it and keep doing what you’re doing 😎✌️❤️
Ok, the comments here a lot about the music, I personally couldn’t concentrate on the interview because of that. Please, can you post the video again without the music?
I TOTALLY agree about Kevin, Jennifer!! That vid of him wanting daughter to be prosecuted made me ill!! I love that the policewoman reminded that he had not been there for over a year!!
Not to mention that the front door had been breeched in search of the two middle girls, so I assumed Shari had taken the articles to protect them from possible theft; the front door was compromised.
The judge didn't say to Jodi that she treated the kids like they were in a concentrate camp. The prosecutor said that the kids were in a "concentration camp-like setting", which he received pushback on and has since apologized for.
I think maybe we shouldn’t want criminals to express their remorse prior to serving their time because if they truly mean it then they are reformed and prison time would be silly right? I know we want the regret but maybe we shouldn’t be asking for it before punishment.
Separating couples was Jodi's thing. Jodi was very good at convincing both men and women that the man is poisoning the marriage. She convinced a LOT of couples of this. Maybe Kevin Franke was wanting out, maybe he was glad to leave. Maybe. But Jodi was very good at twisting people. She was good at making the MEN believe these things, not just the women. With all the new evidence being released to the public by Washington County, there is a recorded phone call when Jodi says 1) chaining up R was a perfectly legitimate thing for a parent to do, there was nothing wrong with their actions in that regard. 2) she and Ruby did not injure R. He injured himself by struggling against his bonds. 3) she felt that being charged with child abuse was governmental over reach, meddling in a parent's right to raise their children as they see fit. She felt NO remorse. She felt everything she did was perfectly ok and that she was a martyr being persecuted. Jodi is off the rails insane. Maybe Ruby thinks she did something wrong. If so, she is more remorseful than psycho Jodi. But Ruby seemed to get pleasure from seeing pain. In her diaries just recently released, she makes a little joke to herself that maybe the kids would get kicked by a horse. No pretext of demonic possession, she just thought them being hurt was funny. So she's pretty psycho in her own way. I hope every time they come up before the parole board, the parole board is reminded of the severity of the abuse and given evidence that neither of them is safe to be allowed out. Remorse or no, they are a danger to the public.
I totally agree with you Jen 1000%!! I don’t buy any remorse from Ruby and Kevin. They both see their kids as a commodity and money is their main purpose in life. It is refreshing to see that not many people are buying their bs. I think they can get Kevin at least for neglect but I think the state has a lot of deference for the church.
I can't even imagine how the kids are going to get through/ over the psychological harm that was caused, especially at the hands of someone who was supposed to love them and that they should have been able to trust. If your own parents not only fail you, but wound you, I feel like that wound can last a lifetime. Who knows if they'll even blame themselves for their mom being in prison and for the separation of their family. I truly hope that all that will be consider as far as sentencing. I feel so bad for all of the kids bc it does affect them all in 1 way or another and it started way before Jodi came into the picture.
First time seeing your channel!!!! Very interesting listening to your views of Ruby, Jodi, and Kevin….and I am in agreement with your feelings on this case!!!!! I also very much enjoyed Dr. Epright…..you both are so good together. I look forward to more of your content.
What amazed me regarding R Fs apology was that her lawyer l alowed it . And I DO Think Jodie was honest . For her , it Was an act of love. Unlike Ruby , Jodie is incapable of lying
@@BreakTheCase I love your interviews and look very forward to every time you put out a new video/podcast. I hate to ever say anything because I never want to come across as rude.
I agree on account of Jody. Myself Being raised an Utah Mormon woman (same age as Ruby) I have to say there is a huge religious aspect. She was easily manipulated and very easily inauthentic in accountability. She believes because she was taught that Satan and her followers influenced her. It’s them to blame. When life is great; it’s god and the Holy Ghost to thank. I know longer believe in Joseph Smith church for reasons like this. I’m sober from Mormon Koolaid and see clearly.
I completely disagree with your statement that this abuse had zero to do with religion. The religious aspect is huge. The religious culture also is huge in this case as well.
Jodi gave Ruby permission to be her worst self. And Ruby went all in on that because it was what she wanted to do. She enjoyed hurting snd neglecting her children before she hooked up with Jodi. The“warmth” she showed at first was narcissism, love bombing her audience. Then she shows her true colors because people like that can’t keep the front up. With Jodi’s “permission”, she tortured those children and documented it because she wanted to do it. And the only remorse she has is in getting caught. I hope prison is at least as much hell for her as she put those kids through.
noun: child trafficking the illegal movement of children, typically for the purposes of forced labor or sexual exploitation. "child trafficking has become a worldwide concern in the past few years"
Thank you for the great content, this is such a sad and hard story to listen to. The poor kids. Side note : the music in the background is distracting like someone else said. You are amazing without it. ❤
The children as they grow up, may end up suing their mother and Jodi. I can't believe Ruby was not crying her eyes out for what she had done to her kids. Thats why her speech wasnt genuine.
I agree how could a father completely walk away from six children. Over a year and is not even remotely interested in how they are, what they are doing, or their general welfare? Frankly, when they have the TH-cam channel, both parents employed unhealthy punishment, and seem to take great pride in doing so. This is well before they met Jodi. Sadly, the long-term damage that the children might contend with because of their cruel parenting. It will probably live with them for sometime, if not forever.
No!! She is absolutely not remorseful!! I haven't seen once where she ever seemed concerned about her children/victims. She's comes off as a complete narcissistic, self-centered woman.
I believe what Jody said to the judge was a carefully crafted statement by her attorney. Ruby had sadistic tendencies way before Jody came into the picture. Kevin was there for it all yet lucked out due to lack of evidence. Kevin isn’t a good parent and shouldn’t get those kids back ever. I believe in mercy and second chances but not until all the children are 18 years old. I also believe Jody deep down hates men and that’s why she destroyed so many happy marriages. I do believe there was more going on between Ruby and Jody. Jody comes off as a lesbian who is extremely frustrated about needing to stay in the closet. I doubt we will ever get to the bottom of these two woman and the crazy within those two brains.
Ruby couldn't handle the subscribers that were calling her out as an abuser. Jodi helped amplify her own evil self to hide and torture the last two kids she had possession of. I think she resented people bashing her and defending those kids.
They are NOT at all remorseful, and that is evidenced with their jail phone calls. They feel that no one understands them and they feel like they are being persecuted because they feel they are in the right. Just my own personal opinion, but I think Ruby is just staying quiet .I think underneath it she is seething.
I agree with all the comments below: both Ruby and Jodi got up at their sentencing and spewed out exactly what they were coached to say and write--to save their own butts, and get a more lenient prison sentence later on. Both of them are psycho, so I would urge everyone to NOT believe one word they have to say now. And wonderful 'Jodi,' in her sentencing speech, Good God, what a crock of patootie THAT was--she didn't even say she was sorry for the hell she committed, and that she was wrong! She has never admitted she was WRONG in any of the things she has done. PLEASE give both Ruby and Jodi the maximum sentence possible, in an effort to stave-off ANY other wonderful people in Mormon-land FROM DOING THE SAME THING!
I follow you on X and am so happy you're doing this podcast! Always love seeing your perspective on cases. Ruby and Jodi's friendship seemed to create the perfect storm in the worst way possible. I think it's very lucky those children are still alive.
I don't think Ruby's speech was Sincere! And I think Ruby and Jodi had more than a business relationship because Jodi lived with Kevin and Ruby for 6 months and ended up sleeping in the same bed because of Jodi being terrorized by shadow people! And there was a photo of Ruby and Jodi , that showed Jodi's hand on Ruby's leg!
Embedded in Ruby’s mea culpa, is the shoutout to Pamela, Jodie’s business partner, who had Ruby’s two children living with her and “cleaning” her home. I think she’s signaling to Pamela that she’s still indoctrinated and with the program. I think that she’s trying to set up replacing Jodie and wants to work with Pamela going forward. If it weren’t for that coded message, I would have believed Ruby.
I agree with Dr Epright. What do we want to hear from criminal defendants? We say we want to see and hear genuine remorse but no matter what Ruby said at sentencing, the masses will never believe it’s genuine. Ruby accepted at least some responsibility and seemed remorseful (real or not) and it wasn’t enough. Jodi didn’t accept responsibility or seem remorseful and that certainly didn’t do her any favors. It’s really up to Ruby’s children whether they one day forgive her and accept her apology and remorse as genuine. My point is none of it jives in the court of public opinion. Only time will tell I guess. I’m not defending Ruby or giving her a pass. Nothing or no one could ever persuade me to abuse a child, especially my own. That’s the ultimate betrayal as children are truly a gift to be nurtured, treasured and cherished. She should and is going to prison. She has lost everything; her husband, her kids, and her name and reputation is forever tarnished. But we should all hope her time in prison rehabilitative. Just my thoughts.
I laughed out loud at "Bullshit!" Aaand subbed : ) This is off topic but I just wanted to say the stained glass propped in the window is so beautiful and striking and cozy. How I never thought of such a simple way to use those is beyond me and it gives you privacy but you keep the natural light. Off to an antique store to steal your idea. Thanks for saying what so many of us are thinking about this case.
Thanks! I inherited them from my mother and wanted to have them with me. They are gorgeous and provide nice privacy from the students walking past my office! ♥
After the Chad debacle the channel lost a lot of the advertising companies. Kevin said they lost 90% of their income. In my opinion Ruby still needed to hear what a great mom she was and Jody fueled that narcissistic side of Ruby.
I wanna hear MORE !! about his nterview with police wen he hits the table and his lack of concern for the kids and why he's pretending he wants his family back so much... please, help me out !! x)
Ruby’s family described how Uber competitive and attention seeking she has always been. I see an insane perfectionism in Ruby that her kids have to meet, but of course it’s impossible to meet because the rules are subjective and always changing based on mom’s mood -and dad follows suit. No one can ever measure up. I also wonder if Ruby didn’t have undiagnosed post-partum depression that exacerbated her horridly abusive parenting. And then once she met Jodi, Jodi’s psychopathy and abusive parenting ideas really allowed Ruby to run with her abuse. I think both Ruby and Kevin were ill-equipped to parent. And they were over it. And Ruby becomes more dictatorial & controlling, and Kevin becomes isolated once Jodi is on the scene. But Kevin is also quite happy to live on his own, not have to deal with his kids, and workout and take photos of himself shirtless for his Instagram. There is so much disturbed mental illness underlying all three of their journeys that unfortunately played out to the detriment of these kids. And all the warnings and calls to police and CPS went unanswered.
When the police/prosecutors (I can’t remember who said each bit) have done interviews what they say about Kevin is ‘evidence shows he had no knowledge/contact’ (I’m paraphrasing) but then when they talk about Pam Bodtcher they say ‘there is no evidence to show she was at the Jodi’s home’ (I’m paraphrasing). These sort of statements indicate to me they have actual evidence showing Kevin is innocent of at least the chargeable abuse. However, with Pam I think their phrasing shows they believe Pam had knowledge about the most chargeable abuse but the police haven’t found evidence to back it up. Kevin eventually spoke to the police fully, Pam stopped talking to the police. Even just that shows who is more likely to have known of the abuse.
I don't think prison changes the hearts of anyone. It is the thinking that has to change. No one will ever be able to make those clams a day after abused children are confiscated/saved. Jodi is absolutely serious in her statement to the court. she believes her actions were in love to get them to absolute obedience.
It would be very interesting to know what the Forensic Neurologist would have thought if it had been Kevin Frankie who had done these things to the children and then gave that totally fake speech in front of the Judge. I would bet my last dollar that she would be ripping him a new one instead of believing Ruby was sincere.
Kevin was a professor, his students didn’t have nice things to say about him. I believe he was fired from the Morman college where he worked. And the way he treated his daughter Sherri was proof he’s not a very nice man. I just pray Rubye and Kevin’s children are never forced to have a relationship with them. Prayers for them🙏🏼
And as for that speech. What struck me is her children weren’t mentioned in her jail calls. It was all about her being misunderstood and, I quote, “poor Jodi”! She actually says that. It’s all bs. It’s similar to Chad and Lori. Two crazy people that meet and create a monster. It happens more and more due to how we are all connected. A comedian has a joke about back in the day if you liked to wear a diaper as an adult and walked out of the house like that then 2 guys would come club you over the head and take you to the hospital but now their are conventions of furries at the local holiday inn. I hope that makes sense lol.
And when her husband told her the two kids would be in the hospital for at least three days, she said it just wasn't necessary!! That got me more than anything else she said, besides NEVER asking about the welfare of her children. It boils my blood just typing this!! 🤬
Those two are only sorry they got caught. Both have been abusive long prior to meeting each other. R is a hero he and E could have ended up a " what went wrong story" CPS and police KNEW several years ago there were allegations THEY DID NOTHING. Their church thinks this behaviour was acceptable. Religion NEEDS to be accountable for the abuse of children and the lack of access to information about other faiths and thinking DENYING people true equality as they do not know they do not need to be treated this way OR treat their children that way as it was done to.them. Gen X kid so trust me I know strict and abusive.
This is why sometimes I think cases like this should never be tried in the state they were commited, they can be tried in another state but still under the same state law. It takes away the old boy system, the buddy system, or in this case, the religious buddy system.
i understand what she means, loved her opinion regardless of the hot take. Nothing would ever be good enough considering what she did, We'll always see it as bullshit lol great video you two. Also about the part with Kevin, "how could he walk away and become subordinate?" Ruby and Jodi did this with multiple actions, like when they "invited" him to Ruby's emotional conversation about "Kevin being a pervert for lusting after his own wife." After that they stuck him into those group therapies with Jodi and other men after convincing him he was addicted to porn and needed to recover. Then all the men began to shun him when he wouldn't comply. They also sent him into a sort of solitary confinement. All of these things contributed to him wanting "normal back" and thus following whatever they asked. Plus we all know Jodi used her status as a therapist to convince people that not okay things, were okay. Anyone else notice how thin Kevin was? Wonder if he was also being made to fast.
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It was telling that Ruby's "Oscar speech" was thanking people for "saving her children" - instead of "My sadistic behavior is a life sentence for my children" - she's sad she was caught.
Absolutely. She’s now trying to pretend she is not a sadist. Too late.
She should have been apologizing to those people and especially her children.
@@robinsaxophone232 thanking the neighbors should have been first. Thanking for the first responders and those who had the patience to let Eve decide when she felt safe enough to leave her cage regardless of how long it took?
Did the sadistic Rubes thank them for that? Because that was the most precious, kindest, caring, empathetic, loving experience that child had ever experienced.
There’s many places where she would have been forced to exit.
In her speech Ruby appeared to spend more time apologising to the adults who now have authority over her, than to her victims and acknowledging the damage she has done to them.
That’s the reason we know she has no idea how damaged she is and the damaged she had done to her children and family members.
Her speech was total bullshit. She says Jodi brainwashed her. I think Jodi was pleased to know another person like her. She gave her a safe place to do these horrible things. But now that she’s facing prison, she’s saying Jodi brainwashed her. She did a 180 with her speech. I’m not buying it. It’s not possible for a person capable of torturing her kids to change that quickly. She was trying to manipulate the court for a reduced sentence.
I pray the parole board never falls for Ruby's Oscar speech.
Too many Mormons in Utah (2,1 million out of the population of 3.3 million). She'll be out for good behaviour. Watch them give the kids to the father...
@@samhartford8677 Apparently statistics have changed. Saw a study from 2023, and they were saying the population percentage is more likely around 42%, and of those 42%, not all are active in the church and practicing. That being said, I think the bigger problem will be, is that the courts aren't used to dealing with someone that made a living acting. And not just acting as in a movie or show, but someone who revolved their life (and the life of their family) around knowing what to do and say, to get the approval of the general public. For the average person, they're going to fall for the act. And if anything, it's going to be that act that gets her a ticket out of jail sooner.
@@Melly.K11 her filming or acting has 0 to do with Ruby torturing her children close to death. that should even be a part of any decision.
@@samhartford8677 I agree 100% the parol board will be like-minded thinkers
@@Melly.K11 OK, thanks for the figures. That's better for justice. I just took the figures out of google. I believe your figures.
But I completely agree with your point about the acting part. Very well said.
It would have been nice if she had recognised that her children had been actually hurt by her instead of thanking the officials for saving them. I don't believe her Oscar speech was authentic at all.
She will never admit it how R was such a hero by escaping and saving himself and his sister. Ruby has no idea what she was saying. It was from her head, not heart. She will not learn anything from what happened.
She didn't thank the neighbours who stepped up for her children and showed that brave boy more love & concern than he's had for months! I'm the ambulance he had a bag with some snack I assume they have him because they already gave him a banana & a drink. I think they should have got an award for what they did, if they'd not helped I don't think they'd have lasted until Halloween
How could ruby go from almost killing her kids to be sorry in such a short time? It would take years of therapy for her to see what she did.
When she was talking with someone over the phone, she said she has so much compassion for her sisters in prison. They suffered a lot, and she has compassion for herself. But never said how wrong she was and that she has compassion for her kids. She will never change. I hope her kids never speak to her again. She deserves life in prison.
@@laurenmay2098 That's my opinion too.
Spot on 😮
RF's " thankfulness" to everyone skirts the issue that SHE abused her own children under the guise that she was " helping" them. Calling them demon- filled is a new level of abuse and evil itself. Thank you, Jennifer!!
Folie a deux 😩 The practices that were hidden in the IBLP/Duggar show was that children had to sleep together in a bed called "accountability beds" to prevent self exploration. In my childhood no one was permitted to close a door EVER: the bedroom, the bathroom, showers, toilet..... I think TLC skipped those rules.
Ruby’s Oscar acceptance speech was her playing the redemptive victim. She’s a narcissist extraordinaire. Even the way she said SHE CHOOSES TO GO TO PRISON. She has serious control issues. They aren’t sending her to prison. She’s choosing to go. And she is shedding her toxic layers and accepting that she has to do all this. No one is making her.
If she wanted to thank all those people, that’s wonderful. But write them a letter. That was the appropriate vehicle for those thank-yous. But she had to do it for show. She had to flaunt her peacock feathers for everyone to see. Look what a great redemption figure I am! I’m going to thank all these people and I know all their names and everything they did. And she should have spent those seven minutes talking about what she did to her children, and how sorry and remorseful she is to her children. But instead she barely talked about the children & when she did, she talked about what she was doing that was so good for her chicks. But then she talked more about how she was leading them at the end & she did go to the dark and dangerous waters, but they were out of it now and all those people had helped them. And she wrapped that up with a bow.
Some people find Jesus too quickly after being in prison. I don’t believe that at all. Her speech was horrible. It was better not saying anything. Chris watts did the same, saying over the phone that he is in prison so God can use him to preach the gospel. Gosh, God does not need people to go to prison to spread the gospel. Actually, pastors, preachers and evangelists are welcome at prisons.
As a childhood trauma survivor this story hits home on such a deep level. I so clearly see sadistic parenting at play and understand what that looks like. I’m so glad her children were saved. My heart aches because I know what their future healing looks like.
If Ruby truly meant what she said don’t you think the first person she should have thanked would have been her son who escaped to get help? She listed every single cop, lawyer, family member, and cps worker by name but only referred to her 6 children as her chicks. Couldn’t be bothered with individual apologies for them. I also have a hard time believing she was totally brainwashed but simply snapped out of it in a few months with the wonderful mental healthcare she received in jail.
Great observation.
Because she knows she cannot conceal how much she loathes her children, she did not bring them up beyond their being HERS.
wow! You are so right! She never mentioned R and E by name. She grouped them all together. That is so, so telling.
She outright said as soon as my kids are 18 they can go.
She's MADE money of her babies lives but they get NOTHING..
She hated her kids she never loved them they are there to do her duty by the church. That's why yet them.at 18.
Plus her utter callousness towards Shari when she needed to go to the ER and she DIDNT rush to get her there she boasted about all the stuff she did THEN showered THEN filmed.. before she unconcerned finally took her child to the ER.
That's the clue SHE is not a good mother.
Never truly was.
I would mention him, because he is a hero. I am so proud of that kid, R is such a hero. He will be okay, and I hope he doesn’t see her ever again. Unless she recognizes how bad she is.
She didn’t say you saved my children .she said you saved me.
bingo. I know her minor children will probably not hear it any time soon but still would have gone a long way to feeling honest if she had appoligied directly to them or thanked anyone for saving them.
No Rubt is not sorry. She is sorry she was caught. She is sorry that she has to have consequences.
Her phone calls showed her words were nothing more to look better than Jodie and get less time. Kevin is not sorry or upset of what Ruby did. He was part of the mental and emotional abuse in the 8 passengers videos. She documented the abuse in the 8 passengers videos with the same pride as she did in the diary. Ruby, Kevin and Jodie are dangyto any and all children. If Kevin gets his hands on the two youngest children, he will make them pay for what happened.He never said what she did was wrong, he did not disagrees with her actions or statements she made of her children. He agrees with her horrible statements about the children.
I agree. Having been raised in IBLP(cult the duggars are in) I recognize all of the excuses and hogwash they use to support their actions. My sorrow comes from knowing that these children are facing a lifetime of issues. My greatest hope is that each one finds a great therapist. The reality is that many will face a life of addictions, emotional instability, anger/hate, and illness both mental and physical. My heart breaks for them and for the 3 people I've found who escaped the cult I was raised in. 😢
I facepalmed myself into next month when the prosecutor actually said he thought Ruby less complicit than Jodi. Then, when he spoke of his beliefs about abuse not happening in rich households, I found myself wondering if he is truly that clueless about patterns of abuse, or if the Utah justice system is that polluted with people blinded by their faith based beliefs about parental 'authority' and filial obedience.
These children have been traumatized for life. There is no 'going back' to any kind of normal for them. It will take a lifetime of therapy and daily awareness for them to ever be able to cope with this level of destructive programming. Why should their abusers suffer a lesser consequence than their victims? Maximum sentence for these women. Words of remorse alone will never heal the wounds they inflicted on these innocent children.
It was an act! She didn’t direct any empathy toward her children especially the two she injured. She tried to say she was drawn down a dark path. She didn’t say she was devastated at what she had done. She talked about making the wrong choices. She didn’t talk about the abuse she inflicted on her children. Somehow it was Jodi’s fault. She didn’t thank R for escaping, and saving her from facing a murder charge.
She is already so empathetic towards the inmates, but none for her own children, I can’t feel nothing for her. Hope the kids stay away from her and from Kevin.
Even years back on the eight passenger videos, those two youngest children always seem to be treated, most harshly, especially for their young age. She did such mean horrible things to them. That eventually grew into physical abuse, as well as escalated mental abuse.
I didn't watch from their channel, but I picked that up as well. It was as though Ruby became resentful of having them and the responsibilities that come with having children.
she said she didn't want those two youngest kods. but Kevin did. maybe that's the reason. I think she basically doesn't like(not even love) children at all. but she had them anyway cuz they are mormon. in the 8passengers video, you can clearly see that children are burden for her and she thouhgt she did them a favor, and kids are evil!! never thanked her!! and still she used their children for money and still their money from the bank account.
And as soon as Mary Kay got out she did it again. No matter what Ruby is doing she shouldn’t be getting out. I think she tried to kill her children. I wish she had been charged that way
Attempted murder. Good point. So glad R got away or it could have been murder. Brave, strong boy. He saved himself and his sister.
It is not possible for a narcissist to say they are the problem - or wrong- they are either the hero or victim - from a child of narcissism- who has waited a lifetime for something that will never happen - an apology- beautiful selfish women get by with a lot
Narcissists never do anything wrong! Always someone else's fault.😢
If she was sincere in her ridiculous apology she would have been on her knees bawling her eyes out apologizing first and foremost to her children not apologize to everyone including the kitchen sink and then lastly a few words to her children. Fake Fake Fake.
It looks like a PR did her speech, not from the heart, but from a PR trying to repair damage control.
When the prosecutor made comments about how “typically” abuse doesn’t happen in rich neighborhoods, I lost all respect for him. How much more clueless could he be, seriously?!
Rich people frequently abuse their kids emotionally.
They too dump their kids into " problem kid " ranches/camps or send them to boarding schools where they are not always happy or safe.
I agree that Person deserved to loose trust.
That's not really what he said. He said the police don't often get called and dispatched to go to wealthy neighborhoods, or that type of neighborhood, not that wealthy people don't abuse their children or spouses. But with the houses far apart as they were in that neighborhood and with the privacy that affluence brings the police don't get as many complaints. And I think he was speaking about complaints in general, not necessarily child abuse.
After hearing Ruby's diary I'm totally convinced that her apology was fake. The woman is the devil!
She believed that ?God? would protect her when a recorded phone call from the jail had her bragging "I will show remorse and repentance which will get me less time". After being raised in an IBLP home I was saved by the state/gov rules of adoption. My brother was beaten weekly with pool sticks and buckles. I, however, could not be touched. TLC is complicit with the abuse in the IBLP families. This is not speculation. It is my own personal observance and fact. Ruby, Jody and even Josh D are being extolled as martyrs, persecuted and tortured for their religious beliefs. 👺🔥 Let's go there and speak truth! Utah's gov is not influenced but controlled by the LDS. The deep South Bible Belt states are 💯 controlled and propped up by evangelical fundamentalism.
Don’t forget at the accident Ruby didn’t even know E was in the van long after the older kids left. She was more concerned about filming an accident that they weren’t hit in, than knowing where her own daughter was. That broke my heart way before Ruby went off the rails.
I recognize you from another channel, but can't figure out where...
Anyway.. So Ruby wasn't even involved in that accident?! I hadn't seen or heard about it before
Don’t lose sight of the fact that in her court statement, Ruby thanked people for saving her from herself BUT she never apologized to the children. How can you take responsibility for your deeds if you don’t apologize to the victims for the harm you did.
I didn't perceive remorse from Ruby's speech. She could have said a lot of things, if she'd been sincere...she should have been expressing sheer horror at what her children suffered, but she didn't, she just basically blamed Jodi. She tried to be poetic, calling her kids her "little chicks," which just made me sick. They're not little chicks, they are her victims.
@@xandrathemedium5935 Wow, you nailed it. I couldn't put my finger on it or explain it, but I didn't perceive any genuine emotion from her about the kids. Of course she has to disassociate from them...after what she did to them, she probably can't even confront thinking about them at all. And she had to disassociate from them in the first place, to be able to do those horrible things.
She is not normal, narcissistic personality. She will never change and I hope the kids stay away from her. She will inflict pain in them over and over. She is playing victim already.
She was talking on a phone call about acting remorseful and how that would fare better with the parole board. She is not sincere at all
Former Mormon here. IMO, It's a cult with many extended cults under its umbrella.
I'm from Utah with some family who are Mormon (I'm a Never-Mo). Would it be a stretch to say that it's easy for Ruby and others to talk and make speeches (like baring a testimony) bc it's such a common practice both inside and outside of the church, and that's why Ruby can come across well-spoken if she needs to?
@JustJ-Me Absolutely. But their 11th article of faith is the reason I think we get the Chad Daybells, Ruby Frankes, and Jodi Hildebrandts. There are many members within that religion doing their own interpretations of the faith. The church cosigns it imo, these on the side members use church grounds and facilities for their extracurricular activities. Jodi's own niece at sacrament meetings with duct tape on her mouth. Nobody called Jodi out for it. Nobody. What a disgraceful religion created by a narcissistic grifter.
@@JustJ-MeI have to agree with you on that one. Making "heartfelt" impassioned speeches is an integral part of the Morman experience. I left the church decades ago, but to this day, public speaking remains as natural to me as chatting with a friend. It's a skill that has served me very well in my adult life.
Ruby has been an actress her whole life. Hard to think of her doing anything off script.
The Ruby Show with kids as props.
Hi, I've been watching a lot of true crime shows lately, specifically about those two horrible women. Out of each website I've followed, I like yours the most. It's informative and well-presented.
Utah authorities don’t appear to acknowledge child abuse unless there’s obvious physical damage. Yes, Kevin was involved in emotional abuse but not physical. That’s why he wasn’t charged.
Dr John Mathias, from Hidden True Crime said that E is messed for life and it will be hard to help her. Not impossible, but hard, because the abuse was emotional. That is the problem with society, Kevin is as guilty as Jodi and Ruby.,but the law doesn’t recognize his role. But he is guilty and I hope he does not get close to the kids, ever.
He knew the kids were doing forced labor in the extreme heat, being locked out all night in the snow, the child labor, the punishment camp, and that Ruby was sadistic.
The getaway driver from a murder also gets charged with murder.
The judge is a.specially sanctioned member, high up in the cult.
Their jobs to minimize anything that makes the church look unhinged.
The fact that Ruby and her husband were talking about her being released tells me a lot.
The way Kevin was "allowed" use of his own house that he bought and he that ked her for it?
It's all about coercive control.
If he got the kids, he would gaslight the Crappy out of them, make the think they're crazy to think it was really that bad...
They need to be away from the whole Mormon co trolled system,.otherwise they'll still be under the influence.of the same.people who empowered and recommended Jody to everyone.
Don't. Forget.
Jody had the full backing of the Mormon church even though she had her license suspended 12 z years ago and other people have spoken out for years about what she did to them- Jesse Hildebrand, for example.
This was all.part of a cult SYSTEM, and the kids need to be freed from the ENTIRE SYSEM.
Can't the FBI step in when there's this much coercive control and undue influence over outcomes?
I agree with you 100% Jennifer. This was nothing more than a performance to save her a$$
Oh and she stopped her channel because of petitions and calls to CPS about her behavior. Cops came to Ruby and Kevin’s house before Jodi. And I would bet Jodi liked the fact that Ruby knew how to grow a channel and make that money. Because Ruby started going onto Jody‘s TH-cam channel and website.
Also, listen to Kevin’s 2nd interview with the police. Jody would say she had night terrors so Ruby would always go comfort her and stay in her room. This was during a time when Kevin and the kids and Ruby all were staying at Jody‘s house for some weird reason. And then it turned into Ruby saying I’m just gonna sleep up there every night and then they also had that other lady up there too. so I think there was something going on. I think that’s why Jody would separate women from their husbands because I think Jody was hurt or something went wrong in her past to make her hate men whether it was her father or maybe she had a doting father, and then men didn’t treat her the same way. something happened obviously. she is divorced and doesn’t have custody of her own children. I think we need to get away from always thinking that one person is the manipulator and one person is the poor victim. I think sometimes there’s two manipulators that come together and become more powerful. it’s happening more and more. Being connected with everyone in the world isn’t necessarily a good thing because bad ideas can grow and they don’t seem that bad when other people are OK with them. It’s a sense of community and that can breed evil.
I hate when guests don't know about cases
Jodi, the cult church, and Ruby are involved in child trafficking, period - the police didn't search for the videos taken of them torturing these children and selling same
@jlynn468 just a small insight to add to your story: Jodi stayed for a while at Ruby's and Kevin's, not the other way around. She was taken in by them after the Hannah's kicked her out of their house.
The "other woman" you're referring to is Pam Bodtcher, the business partner of Jodi.
They thee women (Ruby, Pam and Jodi) were entangled around the belief that Jodi was chosen by god to be an apostle of some kind.
Religious beliefs, psychoticism, sadism, money, power seeking: it was a poisonous mixture for the Franke kids
I’m commenting too much but I am obsessed with this case. And I agree with so many of your comments. I totally agree about how the prosecutor is under Ruby’s spell. And what I really worry about is, he’s not looking at Ruby independently and what she as a mother did to her children. He’s comparing her to Jodi and how much worse Jodi is than Ruby. That’s just plain wrong. They are both equally awful, but their crimes should be looked at independently and not in relation to one another. That’s where he’s making his biggest mistake.
He did say that had he not done a plea deal, that they could’ve been charged with all six counts and not done any jail time based on their first offender status. So doing the plea deal he was able to make them agree to actually do prison time. So I understand that, but he is giving Ruby way too much leeway and that woman needs to do at least 20 years in prison.
So glad to have found your channel. I have always respected your views in interviews I have seen so was excited to hear your in-depth take on this very complex and heartbreaking case along with Dr. Epright. I hope the parole board will look at all the evidence we have now unfortunately seen and will take the long-term effects on these precious children into account and will give them the max sentence allowable so justice will be served if that is at all possible.
If she was truly remorseful, she would have stopped the abuse before she got caught.
Well said
@@BreakTheCase Hi! I wrote a comment that I would like you to consider. Enjoyed the discussion, by the way!
"I think you should watch the YT video of Mormon Stories Podcast discussing this from the viewpoint of the Mormon teachings (Mormons explain Ruby Franke's journal). It will open your eyes. It opened mine.
If they had truly repented they would have made religious references to where they erred. They did not.
I really enjoyed the discussion - although after watching the Mormon Stories Podcast you will see that you were completely off on your analysis of the husband.
If you do watch the podcast, I'd like to here you discuss that, because I still cannot make sense of it in terms of the law and psychology."
Absolutely! she didn’t play the “I’m sorry” card until she was taught by her lawyer a guilty plea would make it look like she was taking accountability. She says in one of the jail calls”they are looking to see if we are taking accountability” it’s strategic for her. I hope she stays in for maximum sentence.
@@samhartford8677 I JUST listened to this podcast today, amazing work, I really learned a lot from them.
@@samhartford8677 Their coverage is excellent. I listened to it on the recommendation of another commenter. I love these kinds of communities, the insight that we can all share when we discuss these cases makes a genuine difference in our ability to recognize -- and hopefully prevent -- future cases. Thank you!
3:58 - Actually this whole thing with the Franke children IS the problem with the LDS church. It was the LDS church who referred people to Jodi even though they were aware of her unethical practices. It was the LDS church who was made aware of the abuse happening to Jodi’s niece while in Jodi’s care and they did nothing to help Jessi (Jodi’s niece). It was the LDS church who wrote Jodi checks in the 1000s of dollars every month for Jodi’s “counseling” services. It is the LDS church who instructs its members to keep abuse and problems within the church and not go to “outsiders” but instead call the bishop (who never attends a formal seminary where they learn to counsel people) for help. It is the LDS church who lobbied hard state legislators so clergy wouldn’t have yo be mandated reporters in child abuse cases. This whole dysfunctional abusive situation falls squarely on the shoulders of the LDS church and that church needs to compensate its many, many victims.
I cannot believe the pictures I just saw. That was the first time I’ve seen those. That is just unbelievable that a mother could let and be the REASON that her children look like that! I’m literally sick oh my gosh. My children come to my head and I want to die just thinking about if my children ever had to endure such horrible experiences…let alone ME be the reason?? How disgusting of this woman to even think of herself as a mother?? How disgusting!
Dr Epright is always a joy to listen to, she knows her stuff!
I hope they'll be huge protests if they try to release these women in a couple of years. Give those children a chance to grow up first, so those women cannot ever hurt them again.
I love the fact Dr. E brought up Mary Kay Letourneau. I am from WA state, this is a memorable case. The boy’s mother was hoodwinked by her, she pretended to simply be his teacher, having him over to “play w/ her son”, when in reality she was S.A. him, pregnant twice by this confused child. A man would have remained in prison for years under same circumstances but w/ girl becoming pregnant.
I believe that Ruby framed the statement she gave in court as an LDS testimony meeting. Similar to 12 Steps, which is what Jodi’s “therapy” is apparently based off of.
I think she also hopes to be reunited with Kevin and the children. I think that would be harmful to the children.
I believe she is sorry she got caught. Jodi too. And after I read Ruby’s journals, I was even more convinced. Now she’s trying to lay all the blame on Jodi. I think she wanted to be abusive to her children. Jodi gave her consent, but she was capable all by herself. I hope the parole board reads those journals and keeps her there until her youngest is an adult.
I don't even think that Jodi gave consent. Jodi gave her an opportunity. A nice isolated location, a mansion with a safe room. She could torture them whenever she felt like without any restraints. She didn't have to worry about people reporting her to CPS since she no longer had the channel and being business partners with Jodi allowed her to continue her facade of the loving mother despite being a psychopathic abuser. And Jodi validated her as well. She was probably the happiest at this point then she had ever been in her life until the arrest and her toys were taken away.
@@OmEvul1415 Ruby did things to her children that Jodi did to her niece Jessi. She got those ideas from Jodi. Such as the hair cutting, duct taping and isolating. We don’t know what else happened to the children because a lot of things were redacted from the journal.
The pain I have regarding this story is that I am reminded of my childhood growing up in the IBLP/the Duggar cult. I don't see a lot of differences. It has made me grateful again that my best friend, a new friend and myself all survived and escaped. 😡
Jennifer! I’m so happy to see you out there doing the true crime! Excellent addition & thank you!
Amazing video/discussion. you 2 communicate with each other so effectively it’s amazing to watch. You listen and build on eachother’s ideas and points so well and honestly It makes for a really engaging and informative watch. So yeh thank you guys for your points on it and keep doing what you’re doing 😎✌️❤️
Ok, the comments here a lot about the music, I personally couldn’t concentrate on the interview because of that. Please, can you post the video again without the music?
I agree...new subscriber and I found the music very off putting and had a 12:11 difficult time concentrating..I thought it was just me.
Ruby was abusing long before she met Jodi
I TOTALLY agree about Kevin, Jennifer!! That vid of him wanting daughter to be prosecuted made me ill!! I love that the policewoman reminded that he had not been there for over a year!!
Not to mention that the front door had been breeched in search of the two middle girls, so I assumed Shari had taken the articles to protect them from possible theft; the front door was compromised.
Even though I'd never trust Ruby, I did like that Dr. Epright was so thoughtful and not too quick to decide. Really great video.
The judge didn't say to Jodi that she treated the kids like they were in a concentrate camp. The prosecutor said that the kids were in a "concentration camp-like setting", which he received pushback on and has since apologized for.
Dr. Carmella Epright is brilliant! I love her personality and insight
I think maybe we shouldn’t want criminals to express their remorse prior to serving their time because if they truly mean it then they are reformed and prison time would be silly right? I know we want the regret but maybe we shouldn’t be asking for it before punishment.
You and Dr. E agree.
Separating couples was Jodi's thing. Jodi was very good at convincing both men and women that the man is poisoning the marriage. She convinced a LOT of couples of this. Maybe Kevin Franke was wanting out, maybe he was glad to leave. Maybe. But Jodi was very good at twisting people. She was good at making the MEN believe these things, not just the women.
With all the new evidence being released to the public by Washington County, there is a recorded phone call when Jodi says 1) chaining up R was a perfectly legitimate thing for a parent to do, there was nothing wrong with their actions in that regard. 2) she and Ruby did not injure R. He injured himself by struggling against his bonds. 3) she felt that being charged with child abuse was governmental over reach, meddling in a parent's right to raise their children as they see fit. She felt NO remorse. She felt everything she did was perfectly ok and that she was a martyr being persecuted. Jodi is off the rails insane.
Maybe Ruby thinks she did something wrong. If so, she is more remorseful than psycho Jodi. But Ruby seemed to get pleasure from seeing pain. In her diaries just recently released, she makes a little joke to herself that maybe the kids would get kicked by a horse. No pretext of demonic possession, she just thought them being hurt was funny. So she's pretty psycho in her own way.
I hope every time they come up before the parole board, the parole board is reminded of the severity of the abuse and given evidence that neither of them is safe to be allowed out. Remorse or no, they are a danger to the public.
That's the thing about crazy people - they don't know they're crazy. That's what makes them crazy.
Thanks once again Jennifer for great content. I love getting notifications that you have posted a new video!
Thank you for following. Appreciate it!
I totally agree with you Jen 1000%!! I don’t buy any remorse from Ruby and Kevin. They both see their kids as a commodity and money is their main purpose in life. It is refreshing to see that not many people are buying their bs. I think they can get Kevin at least for neglect but I think the state has a lot of deference for the church.
I can't even imagine how the kids are going to get through/ over the psychological harm that was caused, especially at the hands of someone who was supposed to love them and that they should have been able to trust. If your own parents not only fail you, but wound you, I feel like that wound can last a lifetime. Who knows if they'll even blame themselves for their mom being in prison and for the separation of their family. I truly hope that all that will be consider as far as sentencing.
I feel so bad for all of the kids bc it does affect them all in 1 way or another and it started way before Jodi came into the picture.
First time seeing your channel!!!! Very interesting listening to your views of Ruby, Jodi, and Kevin….and I am in agreement with your feelings on this case!!!!! I also very much enjoyed Dr. Epright…..you both are so good together. I look forward to more of your content.
What amazed me regarding R Fs apology was that her lawyer l alowed it . And I DO Think Jodie was honest . For her , it Was an act of love. Unlike Ruby , Jodie is incapable of lying
The music is distracting from a great interview and is not necessary.
Hmm. She must have removed it, but none of these videos need music. It adds nothing to them.
@@cdmurphy949 it’s not as loud as it has been in the past, it’s in the first half of the video
Thank you for suggestion! Appreciate feedback so much. Very new at this. Ty
@@BreakTheCase I love your interviews and look very forward to every time you put out a new video/podcast. I hate to ever say anything because I never want to come across as rude.
This abuse had zero to do with religion but everything to do with narcissism & power
I agree on account of Jody. Myself Being raised an Utah Mormon woman (same age as Ruby) I have to say there is a huge religious aspect. She was easily manipulated and very easily inauthentic in accountability. She believes because she was taught that Satan and her followers influenced her. It’s them to blame. When life is great; it’s god and the Holy Ghost to thank.
I know longer believe in Joseph Smith church for reasons like this. I’m sober from Mormon Koolaid and see clearly.
I completely disagree with your statement that this abuse had zero to do with religion. The religious aspect is huge. The religious culture also is huge in this case as well.
Jodi gave Ruby permission to be her worst self. And Ruby went all in on that because it was what she wanted to do. She enjoyed hurting snd neglecting her children before she hooked up with Jodi. The“warmth” she showed at first was narcissism, love bombing her audience. Then she shows her true colors because people like that can’t keep the front up. With Jodi’s “permission”, she tortured those children and documented it because she wanted to do it. And the only remorse she has is in getting caught. I hope prison is at least as much hell for her as she put those kids through.
And Jennifer, I laughed so hard when you basically said Jody was full of 💩during her speech. Me too girl.
Love this comment
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Thank you for the great content, this is such a sad and hard story to listen to. The poor kids.
Side note : the music in the background is distracting like someone else said. You are amazing without it. ❤
The children as they grow up, may end up suing their mother and Jodi. I can't believe Ruby was not crying her eyes out for what she had done to her kids. Thats why her speech wasnt genuine.
Seeing these pictures for the first time, they weren’t going or ment to survive.
I believe you’re right !they become objects and she stops having any love for them.
I agree how could a father completely walk away from six children. Over a year and is not even remotely interested in how they are, what they are doing, or their general welfare? Frankly, when they have the TH-cam channel, both parents employed unhealthy punishment, and seem to take great pride in doing so. This is well before they met Jodi. Sadly, the long-term damage that the children might contend with because of their cruel parenting. It will probably live with them for sometime, if not forever.
Prosecutor was gullible and easily manipulated by a sadistic narcissist. Disgusting 🤮
No!! She is absolutely not remorseful!! I haven't seen once where she ever seemed concerned about her children/victims. She's comes off as a complete narcissistic, self-centered woman.
Dr. Carmela Epright is playing the devil's advocate which I can appreciate.
wow - great guest. excellent episode.
Thank you Tyler. Means a lot coming from a pro like you!
Thanks! Jen is the best. Great conversation!
They will never be sorry! Only that they got caught! They should be in jail for life! They also need the same treatment they gave!
I believe what Jody said to the judge was a carefully crafted statement by her attorney. Ruby had sadistic tendencies way before Jody came into the picture. Kevin was there for it all yet lucked out due to lack of evidence.
Kevin isn’t a good parent and shouldn’t get those kids back ever. I believe in mercy and second chances but not until all the children are 18 years old.
I also believe Jody deep down hates men and that’s why she destroyed so many happy marriages. I do believe there was more going on between Ruby and Jody. Jody comes off as a lesbian who is extremely frustrated about needing to stay in the closet. I doubt we will ever get to the bottom of these two woman and the crazy within those two brains.
Jennifer I love your shows.
Ruby couldn't handle the subscribers that were calling her out as an abuser. Jodi helped amplify her own evil self to hide and torture the last two kids she had possession of. I think she resented people bashing her and defending those kids.
They are NOT at all remorseful, and that is evidenced with their jail phone calls. They feel that no one understands them and they feel like they are being persecuted because they feel they are in the right.
Just my own personal opinion, but I think Ruby is just staying quiet .I think underneath it she is seething.
I agree with all the comments below: both Ruby and Jodi got up at their sentencing and spewed out exactly what they were coached to say and write--to save their own butts, and get a more lenient prison sentence later on. Both of them are psycho, so I would urge everyone to NOT believe one word they have to say now. And wonderful 'Jodi,' in her sentencing speech, Good God, what a crock of patootie THAT was--she didn't even say she was sorry for the hell she committed, and that she was wrong! She has never admitted she was WRONG in any of the things she has done. PLEASE give both Ruby and Jodi the maximum sentence possible, in an effort to stave-off ANY other wonderful people in Mormon-land FROM DOING THE SAME THING!
I follow you on X and am so happy you're doing this podcast! Always love seeing your perspective on cases. Ruby and Jodi's friendship seemed to create the perfect storm in the worst way possible. I think it's very lucky those children are still alive.
I find the music distracting. First time listening to your video. I would prefer to listen to you and your guest without any background music.
I don't think Ruby's speech was
Sincere! And I think Ruby and Jodi had more than a business relationship because Jodi lived with Kevin and Ruby for 6 months and ended up sleeping in the same bed because of Jodi being terrorized by shadow people! And there was a photo of Ruby and Jodi , that showed Jodi's hand on Ruby's leg!
Embedded in Ruby’s mea culpa, is the shoutout to Pamela, Jodie’s business partner, who had Ruby’s two children living with her and “cleaning” her home. I think she’s signaling to Pamela that she’s still indoctrinated and with the program. I think that she’s trying to set up replacing Jodie and wants to work with Pamela going forward. If it weren’t for that coded message, I would have believed Ruby.
I agree with Dr Epright. What do we want to hear from criminal defendants? We say we want to see and hear genuine remorse but no matter what Ruby said at sentencing, the masses will never believe it’s genuine. Ruby accepted at least some responsibility and seemed remorseful (real or not) and it wasn’t enough. Jodi didn’t accept responsibility or seem remorseful and that certainly didn’t do her any favors. It’s really up to Ruby’s children whether they one day forgive her and accept her apology and remorse as genuine. My point is none of it jives in the court of public opinion. Only time will tell I guess. I’m not defending Ruby or giving her a pass. Nothing or no one could ever persuade me to abuse a child, especially my own. That’s the ultimate betrayal as children are truly a gift to be nurtured, treasured and cherished. She should and is going to prison. She has lost everything; her husband, her kids, and her name and reputation is forever tarnished. But we should all hope her time in prison rehabilitative. Just my thoughts.
She made great points
I laughed out loud at "Bullshit!" Aaand subbed : )
This is off topic but I just wanted to say the stained glass propped in the window is so beautiful and striking and cozy. How I never thought of such a simple way to use those is beyond me and it gives you privacy but you keep the natural light. Off to an antique store to steal your idea.
Thanks for saying what so many of us are thinking about this case.
Thanks! I inherited them from my mother and wanted to have them with me. They are gorgeous and provide nice privacy from the students walking past my office! ♥
After the Chad debacle the channel lost a lot of the advertising companies. Kevin said they lost 90% of their income. In my opinion Ruby still needed to hear what a great mom she was and Jody fueled that narcissistic side of Ruby.
I wanna hear MORE !! about his nterview with police wen he hits the table and his lack of concern for the kids and why he's pretending he wants his family back so much... please, help me out !! x)
Ruby’s family described how Uber competitive and attention seeking she has always been. I see an insane perfectionism in Ruby that her kids have to meet, but of course it’s impossible to meet because the rules are subjective and always changing based on mom’s mood -and dad follows suit. No one can ever measure up. I also wonder if Ruby didn’t have undiagnosed post-partum depression that exacerbated her horridly abusive parenting. And then once she met Jodi, Jodi’s psychopathy and abusive parenting ideas really allowed Ruby to run with her abuse.
I think both Ruby and Kevin were ill-equipped to parent. And they were over it. And Ruby becomes more dictatorial & controlling, and Kevin becomes isolated once Jodi is on the scene. But Kevin is also quite happy to live on his own, not have to deal with his kids, and workout and take photos of himself shirtless for his Instagram. There is so much disturbed mental illness underlying all three of their journeys that unfortunately played out to the detriment of these kids. And all the warnings and calls to police and CPS went unanswered.
When the police/prosecutors (I can’t remember who said each bit) have done interviews what they say about Kevin is ‘evidence shows he had no knowledge/contact’ (I’m paraphrasing) but then when they talk about Pam Bodtcher they say ‘there is no evidence to show she was at the Jodi’s home’ (I’m paraphrasing). These sort of statements indicate to me they have actual evidence showing Kevin is innocent of at least the chargeable abuse. However, with Pam I think their phrasing shows they believe Pam had knowledge about the most chargeable abuse but the police haven’t found evidence to back it up. Kevin eventually spoke to the police fully, Pam stopped talking to the police. Even just that shows who is more likely to have known of the abuse.
I completely agree she was putting on an act. She still never says how could I have done tgis to my babies. The duck story was completely inauthentic.
Well done. You may want to consider turning down the music; it is overwhelming and distracting.
Will do
I don't think prison changes the hearts of anyone. It is the thinking that has to change. No one will ever be able to make those clams a day after abused children are confiscated/saved.
Jodi is absolutely serious in her statement to the court. she believes her actions were in love to get them to absolute obedience.
I just happened upon your channel and I love it! You've earned a sub from me. Thank you
It would be very interesting to know what the Forensic Neurologist would have thought if it had been Kevin Frankie who had done these things to the children and then gave that totally fake speech in front of the Judge. I would bet my last dollar that she would be ripping him a new one instead of believing Ruby was sincere.
I'm so glad I found you! I've Loved you on so many other podcasts.
Thank you so much
I agree. They’re upset they got caught. They still think they’re right and everyone else wrong.
Ruby has been bad with her children for years before meeting jodi
Kevin was a professor, his students didn’t have nice things to say about him. I believe he was fired from the Morman college where he worked. And the way he treated his daughter Sherri was proof he’s not a very nice man. I just pray Rubye and Kevin’s children are never forced to have a relationship with them. Prayers for them🙏🏼
And as for that speech. What struck me is her children weren’t mentioned in her jail calls. It was all about her being misunderstood and, I quote, “poor Jodi”! She actually says that. It’s all bs. It’s similar to Chad and Lori. Two crazy people that meet and create a monster. It happens more and more due to how we are all connected. A comedian has a joke about back in the day if you liked to wear a diaper as an adult and walked out of the house like that then 2 guys would come club you over the head and take you to the hospital but now their are conventions of furries at the local holiday inn. I hope that makes sense lol.
Yes, good points
And when her husband told her the two kids would be in the hospital for at least three days, she said it just wasn't necessary!! That got me more than anything else she said, besides NEVER asking about the welfare of her children. It boils my blood just typing this!! 🤬
Those two are only sorry they got caught.
Both have been abusive long prior to meeting each other.
R is a hero he and E could have ended up a " what went wrong story"
CPS and police KNEW several years ago there were allegations THEY DID NOTHING.
Their church thinks this behaviour was acceptable.
Religion NEEDS to be accountable for the abuse of children and the lack of access to information about other faiths and thinking DENYING people true equality as they do not know they do not need to be treated this way OR treat their children that way as it was done to.them.
Gen X kid so trust me I know strict and abusive.
Thank goodness I thought that music was going right through but it stopped right now
I like your show, but the music is distracting. 💕
I couldn't agree more! SO distracting!!! 🙄
I will not have music during discussion in the future. Thank you
This is why sometimes I think cases like this should never be tried in the state they were commited, they can be tried in another state but still under the same state law. It takes away the old boy system, the buddy system, or in this case, the religious buddy system.
i understand what she means, loved her opinion regardless of the hot take. Nothing would ever be good enough considering what she did, We'll always see it as bullshit lol great video you two.
Also about the part with Kevin, "how could he walk away and become subordinate?" Ruby and Jodi did this with multiple actions, like when they "invited" him to Ruby's emotional conversation about "Kevin being a pervert for lusting after his own wife." After that they stuck him into those group therapies with Jodi and other men after convincing him he was addicted to porn and needed to recover. Then all the men began to shun him when he wouldn't comply. They also sent him into a sort of solitary confinement. All of these things contributed to him wanting "normal back" and thus following whatever they asked. Plus we all know Jodi used her status as a therapist to convince people that not okay things, were okay. Anyone else notice how thin Kevin was? Wonder if he was also being made to fast.