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Akron,ohio. Iv seen a couple 442 cutlass, but MANUAL"" and un- rusted/salted.... what a find!!! Never knew Olds made a manual in this model😮😮😮😊😊😊
IAC valve for poor idle(may not be a misfire issue). Fuel rail diaphragm for long crank after warm up. Key switch for when you turn the key and nothing happens. Engine starts and dies randomly could be the crank sensor but more likely.......... .......
an oil fouled connector to the crank sensor.
Really love these oddball cars you find Alex - where I live we never even got Oldsmobile, let alone something as rare and quirky as this. Really great to see it! Thanks!
Where's PETER, you c*cksucker?
ALEX! STOP! Before you go any further, CHECK THE IGNITION CONTROL MODULE and the coils. I've seen this dozens of times - the ignition control module is under the coils - the coils plug into it - and it gets hot and stops functioning. Here's the bonus, it also DOES play a role in injector firing as it tells the ECM when it sees a pulse from the CKP sensor.
Your CKP sensor seems to be good, as the car does start, but man, it seems the moment that the IGN module gets some heat in it, it starts puking. Start there first!
All true and great advice!
Former gen 1 W-body owner here, can confirm. Ulrich's advice is right on track.
I would put those fuses back in no matter
those had problems with the rear brake calipers
I’ve been sitting here yelling it needs a module. My wife keeps saying what?🤣🤣🤣
"This is the rarest car I've ever bought." - Guy who bought a 1 of 1 $2,000,000 prototype space van.
Hahahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You said it , it’s a van , this is a car
@@bbgninja9779 Both completely accurate and completely pedantic.
@@stephendee7839 technically correct, the best kind of correct
But the van was an experimental prototype
Please dump an absolutely STUPID amount of time and money into this thing 🤣 I love it!!!
....when has that NOT happened, here, ???
Put a giant turbo and slicks on back😮
@@DonnyF-mu6ffwhy slicks on the back? This is a front wheel drive car
Yesss
@@tapethegrape8195him not smart he men5 the front lol
Hey, Alex. We met at the CSW car show a couple weeks ago. I'm the one you were showing this car to on your phone after I mentioned I used to have a couple ASC/McLaren Turbo Grand Prix'. Been patiently waiting for this video! LOVED seeing your reaction. Reminded me of when the local Gen I w-body community was very active and full of people geeking out over cars like these. While the fit, finish, build and reliability was the typical 'less than stellar' GM quality, this era of cars was the pinnacle of their ingenuity and creativity. The tech in the top trim levels was way ahead of its time. It's like a car geek's/enthusiast's dreams entombed in the steel sarcophagus of a corporate bean counter's build quality.
A few quick notes:
The '88 Cutlass Supreme convertible Pace Car was the first production vehicle to get HUD. However, only 50 were made, and after GM later discovered some safety concerns, they asked to buy back all 50 of them to destroy them. Only a handful of people refused to sell theirs back, so I'd imagine by this point, there's probably only 2 or 3 (if any) of those still in existence. It's too bad because they had a cool, more aggressive looking front bumper cover that was exclusive to those convertible pace cars.
All '89 Pontiac Grand Prix ASC/McLaren Turbos came standard with HUD. Since they were not pulled back from the public like the Olds pace cars were, this could technically be considered the first true 'regular production' car to get HUD...if you consider 751 cars as 'regular production'.
The windshield says HUD because GM claimed they were different than the ones used on cars without HUD. Supposedly, they took the regular glass and polished them in the area that displayed the HUD so as to make it more reflective and easier to see in direct sunlight, though I don't think that was ever confirmed or proven. I have replaced HUD windshields with non-HUD ones a couple of times in the past, and if there was supposed to be any difference in visibility, I didn't really notice it.
Those first generation factory CD players were a very expensive option at the time, and since CDs were still somewhat new, not a ton of people opted for the option, so it's fairly rare to find a car equipped with it. I still have 3 or 4 Pontiac ones (look identical except with a 5-band EQ) that were still functional when I last removed them from their respective cars.
I mentioned this at the show as have others in the comments, but the Quad 442 decal on the back is not stock. Quad 442 was in reference to a high output 4-cylinder/4 valves per cylinder/2 camshafts motor (the LG0) found in cars like the W41 package Olds Cutlass Calais and the Chevy Beretta GTZ. Cars equipped with that motor are pretty rare and they produced 180hp/160ft-lb of torque. It was more powerful than their V-6s until the 3.4L DOHC (the LQ1) that's in your car was launched.
There are 2 versions of the 5-speed Getrag used in GMs of that era. The weaker 2.8/3.1 engines got the 282 while cars with the more powerful LQ1 got mated to the beefier 284 to handle the higher output. So when looking for parts, make sure you're looking for 284 parts.
And yes, any GM 60° engine definitely sounds pretty good with an exhaust...for a V6. It actually has a bit of a throaty gargle at idle and lower RPMs. Fades out though after crossing over about 3k-3.5k RPMs. I always loved how they sounded. This is in stark contrast to the more powerful 90° V6s (e.g. 3800) that have a very monotone drone.
As for the running issues, others have pointed to the coils and/or ignition control module as being a strong possibility for at least part of it, and I strongly agree. When I first got one of my Turbo GPs, the car would vibrate horribly once I went more than 1/3 throttle. I had gotten all new Delco ignition parts that I planned on installing regardless of what was wrong. When I pulled the coils, I found the plastic housing/casing on 2 of them had split open a bit and you could see the internals. Swapping those out completely fixed the problem. It's very common for 80s/90s GMs, as is the ICM. You correctly pointed out the coils are under the exhaust manifold (and they're plugged into the ICM behind them), and that is most likely the reason for the high failure rate. Not exactly an idle spot considering the heat they get saturated by. But I would definitely start there.
If you need any more info with this car, feel free to give me a call or text. I'll do my best to help.
Wasn't one version of the quad 4 rated at 190 horsepower? I see to recall reading an article in Auto week many years ago.
@@davidryder5082 Yes, you are correct. I've had to jog my memory on a lot of this stuff which I haven't read about or given much thought to for many years. The 190 HP version was ultra rare and only came in 2 W41 package equipped cars over 3 model years: The '91 Olds Cutlass Calais and the '92 & '93 Olds Achieva SCX trim, which were mated to a special version of the Getrag Muncie 282 5-speed (the weaker version of the Getrag 284 in Alex' car). Seems laughable that the Achieva would get such a drivetrain, but it was supposed to be the replacement for the Calais, and as such, they wanted the top trim level to have the same "sporty" prowess as its predecessor. The lesser SC trim level Achievas got the 180hp version of the Quad 4.
The real kicker is there WAS a Cutlass Supreme that got the high output Quad 4. It was the ACTUAL convertible pace car (not the 50 replicas I previously mentioned) that Chuck Yeagar drove around the track. It was a fake convertible (no actual top, windows did not work, etc.), but it got a prototype turbo charged version of the Quad 4 that produced 250hp/250ft lb torque! Never saw the light of day for production, though. Just like the 300hp Super Duty 3L version of the dime a dozen Tech 4/"Iron Duke" 4 cylinder that produced a pathetic 95ish hp.
Even with the cool stuff that DID make it to production, there's so much great stuff from this era that GM left on the table. If you knew half the prototypes and projects I've learned about over the decades, it would almost infuriate you. GM could have been so much more than what they amounted to over the last 4 or so decades.
@@IntramorphI'm in awe of you sir. I can remember many things from articles I read from many years ago. I always thought the quad 4 was interesting. I also remember the turbo version was tentatively slated for a future in the fiero. I think. Not many people I've ever interacted with have impressed me as much as you. Do you have the same interest in foreign cars as well? Thanks for clarifying what you had written earlier. Have a great day
@@davidryder5082 Thank you. I love cars in general, so I know a little bit about a huge variety, including foreign, but not to the level of GMs of the 80s/90s. I had more of an affinity for those, especially the quirky versions of their otherwise dime a dozen FWD cars like the ASC/McLaren Turbo Grand Prix, 6000 STE ('89) and S/E ('90) All Wheel Drive, LeSabre T-Type, etc., so I was heavily involved in those communities (a-bodies, w-bodies, etc) back when they were active. I mean...my user name on most of the message boards was RareGMFan if that tells you anything. I would buy whatever factory brochures and magazines with articles about them that I could find on eBay, etc. Even bought and still have the GM mechanics' training video kit for the AWD Pontiac 6000 (converted it to digital years ago) and a Turbo Grand Prix jacket that was given out at one of the NASCAR races (the TGP was a pace car, which can be seen in for a few seconds in Days of Thunder!). Also used to put together meets 4-5 times a year for about 10 years for local members of w-body message boards back when those were an active thing. So you could say what I have learned and retained can heavily be attributed to being heavily engaged in the communities.
Funny you should mention Fieros. The biggest event of the year for those cars, Fierorama, is this coming Saturday (Sept 8) which I'll most likely be at. There you will see a few of the MANY prototypes like the extended 4-seater version. I don't think any make/model has more examples of GM dropping the ball than the Fiero. :(
The quad 442 badge only came on those models and I actually know that car personally the original owner bought it into my shop for service multiple times I replaced the ecu close to 14 yrs ago
So this was you?
We need paperwork for the provenance.
😂😂
Sweet
stop lying buddy i built this car back in 92
No way 😮
Great scott
Ford SVT lightning: exists.
Alex: Imma go buy every single GM product you have or haven't heard about before touching that thing 😂
He is turning into samcrac full of project cars but none are finished
@@Chris-hw4mq except, most of Alex's projects are done or are in active progress of becoming done. Sam's projects get 1 or 2 videos and then rot in his field with chickens running around for years and years, much like Tavarish's projects. Don't compare absolutely not comparable youtubers.
@@Chris-hw4mq he finishes a lot of his projects
@@fohatadri I am just thinking about that F150 or the ML that are broken. Tavarish is in a different league he doesnt repair crap cheap cars like Alex.
😂
Still driving my '93 Cutlass Supreme to this day. Literally no problems. Very reliable car. I've only had to replace the alternator and water pump. Of course the regular maintenance tires, batteries, oil, etc. I will be handing it off to my son next year for his first car! He is so excited.
I daily drive a 91 International coupe. I love it!
" EVERYDAY CHEVY problems!!!!" BUT THIS CAR COULD HAVE BEEN MORE AWESOM IF THE MOTOR WAS NOT SIDEWAYS!!!!
I am holding out to find a triple white convertible. No idea why I like or want it but I do.
Teach him to care for that work of art please
Yours is a 3.8 or 3.1, the 3.4 would have been dead decades ago!!
Bro .... Im so sad. Im in tears. My greatest memories was driving with my mom every weekend. She had this car but black and an automatic. We had an agreement that I could play snoop dog and she would play ABBA. But this car got stolen right before my mom died. Seeing this made me smile ear to ear. It would be a dream to own one again. They truly were an amazing automobile.
Thanks for sharing.
In 1988, the first year of this body style, my dad custom ordered an International Edition with a five speed manual transmission. I was in high school at the time and I distinctly remember going to the Oldsmobile dealer and the car was so new they didn’t even have a single Cutlas Supreme in stock yet to test drive or even look at. My dad ordered it after only looking at the sales brochure. After waiting close to a year for the car to be built, we finally received it and it was a unicorn where we lived. We got looks and questions about it all the time.
The biggest thrill was when he would let me drive it. And let me tell you, I drove the s-- outta that car! It was so fast and handled so much better than other cars of that time! The manual transmission was a blast and worked great. I tore up the streets and my dad never found out just how hard I drove when he wasn’t around.
Sadly the car was eventually passed onto another family member and then later traded in. I still miss that car. I can’t imagine how rare that car would be now.
I owned a 1988 white cutlas Supreme international with the 5 speed. It was sold new in Troy, Ohio to my friend who's dad was a gm employee in Dayton, Ohio. I purchased it from him used in 1991. It was told 2 me that it was 1 of 20 ish. Pretty rare then and super rare today. Traded mine into an Isuzu/Acura in Miamisburg, OH for a new 1994 isuzu Trooper with 5 speed. Loved both vehicles.
🎉a friend's dad had 2 of these with the 5 speed. Were awesome cars.
I had the white 2 tone 88' international 5 spd in Columbus Oh. Bought it used in 94' I'd die for this car back now! Had the 2.8 V6 dog though! ❤
Super cool car. Oldsmobile had some of the most interesting cars of the 60s-90s. My friend has an 82 Toronado with the 5.7 diesel. Has 650,000 miles on the original engine with a set of ARP head studs to fix the head gasket issue. It also has the original transmission with a shift kit installed back in the 1980s. Perfect interior, perfect paint, no rust, and it's from the northeast originally. One owner from new until 2010 or so, and then the second owner kept it in a garage and didn't drive it for the next 12 years. He's currently building a new 5.7 diesel with basically every modification possible and many custom parts. That Toronado is a longitudinal, V8, diesel, front wheel drive coupe. Absolutely insane engineering.
650,000miles aka over 1 mln km is absolutely amazing for an engine often deemed the worst, the shittiest and so on.
Quad 442 was a performance option package for the Cutlass Calais that included an aero appearance package, special wheels, W41 suspension, and the 2.3 liter quad 4
Same. Seen quad442 on the Calais with the HO quad 4 option.
Dreaded X motor. Pass….
I worked at a Buick Olds dealer through the ‘90s. Never saw a stick shift matted to a X motor.
Love those old Cutlass’s.
Hole in the washer fluid resiviour was to look at the “cell eye” on the og Delco battery.
I think it stood for. 4 cylinder , 4 Valve, 2 cams.
The stick makes it rare, not the color. The color was probably just rare in a stick car. Lots of regular old Cutlasses came in that teal color.
Idle may need to be “relearned”?
The stick makes it rare, not the color. The color was probably just rare in a stick car. Lots of regular old Cutlasses came in that teal color.
Idle may need to be “relearned”?
In 1999 my grandparents passed me a 1990 Buick Regal GS...a platform mate of this Olds. It was a two-door with the same door handles and similar bucket rear seats, but had an all-digital dash, the GM 3100 V6 and an automatic. But, it was a great cruiser, looked good, and was a little sporty. Have fun with the Cutlass!
The hole in the washer fluid is because AC Delco batteries use to have and indicator so you could see its condition. It had a round window and would show green.
Dang, I remember that now.
I forgot all about that!!
I thought some batteries still had those green eyes😂
@@bassandtrebleclef I think my walmart battery still does
I forgot about that feature on batteries. I remember buying a replacement battery for my 94 Corolla back in the day and it having that window.
The hood lock was called a Chapman lock. There was a separate bracket attached to the underneath of the hood that the pin slides into when the button under the dashboard is pushed in. It would also disable the ignition system (not sure if that could be part of your problem).
I came here looking for this comment. I remember growing up every one of our GM's and Fords had a Chapman lock installed and we eventually removed them because we lived in Massachusetts and the salt would start screwing up that part Dad, the rod would push into which like described above would kill the ignition. The part that would kill the ignition would sporadically not let the car run even if the anti-theft system was not enabled. So the fact that the box is not in there means this was also removed more likely for that reason, but most people just left the cable system intact. Hope that helps, Alex.
Yes Chapman I forgot. Didn’t GM own them or did they just have a contract?
We installed these on every new car in the dealership I worked in in the 70s. It's no different today where a dealer will install an alarm, tracking, or kill device hoping you will buy it. There were two versions - with and without the kill feature. Yes, it looks like to female hook portion either isn't present or this particular hood latch configuration allows the plunger may work as an interlock.
Thanks for the information. I had never heard of them. They are a bit before my time.
I used to install these in this era of Vehicle, even older style had a key in the fender. So cool to see one again. These hood locks sometimes had contacts internally for a starter kill or ignition kill, if the key was locked it wont start. If that key lock under the dash has a red led on it, it could have connections you will want to check out.
I'm from Europe but I don't know why I love this kind of quirky American cars. I'm willing to watch the entire episode!
A car guy is a car guy, they are all interesting no matter where they are!
Until today, I thought the head-up display was first introduced by BMW in the e60 5-series in 2004. Now I know it was GM in 1988 :)
We just do not have TH-cam channels like these in Europe, mainly because we Europeans are quite conservative, and will rarely risk quitting a job to make a career out of TH-cam.
Sponsorship might be an issue while small, but when you become medium to big, even foreign sponsors will reach you.
In Europe we have plenty of quirky cars, from many French cars (Citroen, I am looking at you), to Fiat, or sporty German wagons.
We have plenty of them.
Moreover, we have had plenty of Japanese cars in Europe, so, we could also include those.
There are car enthusiasts in Europe, just as often as there are in the US, but European countries are much more restrictive as far as modifications. That’s why you are severely limited in mods that you can do.
@@rkolarsky We have some states (most notably, California) with similarly restrictive policies regarding modifications. Interestingly a lot of tuners and aftermarket part companies are based there. Companies can pay to have their products tested to ensure they do not impact emissions or safety and gain CARB (California emissions regulator) certification. It seems that a lot of people modify their cars anyway. Some de-modify for the annual inspections and others seem to find a shop who will pass them anyway, although technology has made that more difficult as the car is scanned and VIN number is matched. They can't just check a box anymore.
Some companies cannot sell certain modifications to restrictive states for legal reasons, so people end up buying from Canada. People seem to find a way. I've seen some videos of Europeans being "creative" with their cars too, people always find a way.
I have wanted one of these forever, and this one is an absolute gem. The color, the stick shift. It’s exactly how I’d want it. I’m so bummed I didn’t see this on marketplace or I would’ve done exactly what you did and bought it sight unseen. If you ever offer it for sale, I hope I see it because I have to have it.
I am now going to watch this video with excitement and jealousy.
Wife: Why you smiling?!
Me looking at the thumbnail: Alex bought another really cool car!
And I bet she probably was thinking u were watching girls in tik tok lol
I was working in a Chevy/Olds dealership in 1992. We actually got one of these for a guy that collected cars in the area. He normally bought at least 6 cars a year. The one he bought was red if I remember right. He was the envy of the dealership and several people tried to talk him into selling it. Great video, new subscriber and can't wait to see the progress on this car.
This sounds oddly specific. I worked at a Chevy/Buick dealership in Northern NJ for about a year about 12 years ago. In the small amount of time I worked there, I learned of and had a cool talk with a customer that did the same thing as you describe. Bought tons of cars to collect. When I was there he bought at least 3 or 4 with the one off the top of my head being a Malibu
Apart from I like watching rebuilds and anything to do with fixing cars, the main reason I watch you is because I get to see American cars, I have never heard of and would never of thought of looking for. Cheers Alex.
I actually did some of the design/draft work on the HUD system in Kokomo, IN in 1988/9. The company I worked for was subcontracted by Delco/Delphi and we worked with the engineers on the first HUD systems for GM. I remember the one we worked on was in the Monte Carlo (edit: I think the HUD work we did was for the Olds and we also worked on one of the first touchscreens on the Pontiac Grand Prix).
My father was an engineer for AC/Delco in Flint, MI and then was transferred to Kokomo. He would often bring home cars for the weekend, that the engineers would work on, and would let me take them out to drive. One weekend he brought home an '87 Corvette and another a Buick Grand National. I remember enjoying the Buick way more than the Corvette. Good times!!
I had a 97 Monte Carlo z34 in high school which I believe had this same engine. It was a fast car for what it was. My most memorable race was against a manual C5 corvette. You know how the story goes…..my car was running great that day. We were sitting at the light…..I was being a typical kid….asked him if he wanted to trade…..He said no. Anyhow, light turns green, I drive normal to allow the car to shift into 2nd gear….then I wave to him and hammer it! The car takes off like a bat out of hell! The C5 driver stunned that a pimple face kid in an unassuming car takes off on him. Chase is a race so he downshifts and comes after me! Right around 75…he finally catches me and blows on by. I will never forget the thumbs up he gave me through his open top!! My favorite race in that car. My last race was racing a late 90s Mustang GT while my transmission was going out. I still beat him!
z34 had the 3400. Single cam. Produced an anemic 215hp considering the size/weight.
@@moedig Incorrect. Same motor as this Cutlass Supreme in the video. 24 VALVE and 4 cams. Depending on the year of LQ1...200 HP for the early automatic cars from 91-93. The 5 speed cars made 210 HP. For 94-95, all LQ1's were automatics and made 210 HP. From 96-97, again, all automatics and 215 by then. This particular 92/5 speed car is a 210 horse.
The 3.4 DOHC 24 VALVE motors have a RPO code of LQ1. The 3400 motors with the 12 valve pushrod design are coded LH0 and have a single cam.
Yeah I used to have a Full Bolt on LQ1 Monte. 96. I still have pics of it. I had custom headers for it. I was dying to get it into th 14's, but if it blew up on my before I could get it back to the track. It's crazy Alex has had all the cars I have ever owned. The Lightning, an LQ1 car, and the C63. He got a SHO but wrong generation. I had a gen 2
The Lumina Z34 had this option.
@@moedigthe z34 had the dual overhead cam engine, 3.4 I believe. I want to say in 97 it made 220 ish hp.
I was a GM tech in the mid 90s, I thought the W body platform was ahead of it's time. 3.4 DOHC manual trans, Buick regal GS with a 3800. They had 4 wheel disc brakes, really good suspension, very well designed and built
A 3.4 with a 3800??? It had two different engines?
@@RustyShackleford108 The Buick Regal GS of that era had a 3800
Jay Leno featured a '91 Olds Quad 4-4-2 on his Garage Channel about a year ago. It was the older body style, but used the same engine, trans, and chassis used on the '92 model. This is a great find! I love these special vehicles that only true car enthusiasts know about. And I love how affordably this whole project is turning out to be. Even a 17 year old high schooler could have picked this up, and been able to own a rare specimen. I love the channel! Keep it coming
Olds calais 442 w41 had the 2.3 4 cylinder. It’s a different car in the cutlass brand and was not an older body style.
This is basically a beretta with a modified engine. Berettas bring good enough money as is even auto ones.
It was a whole different chassis. The Quad 442 was an "N" body. A totally different car.
@Beercheesesoup
@@bobp64014 yeah the w41 is an n car cause it’s an olds but it’s basically just a beretta (l). L and n are pretty much the same.
The cutlass supreme in the video is like a w chassis or something and a lot more like a Grand Prix of the same era.
Like I said “cutlass” was a brand and the two cars are different.
Former 95 W body owner. Go for the ICM under the ignition coils.
Someone used to make a relocation kit for this to prevent the heat failure issue.
After that, intake cleaning including the idle control motor. Use synthetic lube after cleaning because they get gummed up and can cause a similar issue with starting and stalling.
Are the ICMs still made?
My uncle had one of these. I don’t remember the 442 badge on the back, but I do remember the special emblems. It was super fast, and my brother and I loved the backseats. He would take us for rides in it and take the corners really fast. It’s one of the reasons I love cars to this day.
Maybe the idle air control has not had enough time to relearn.
I think chevy had a lumina z34 those were fast in it's day.
Invest in all the nos door handles you can!!
No badge on this model anymore it went away after Calais N bodys
Owned a 1988 version and that 442 sticker was never on any of them that I know of ....pretty sure the gm owner put that on there.
Alex said he was downsizing but buys a new car every week 😂
This one was like 1 weeks pay... lol, big spender, that Alex. What a wild and crazy guy! $3500 😂
Alex better start looking for a bigger place...
I support it and love it
That is a car guy. They can just not let it go. I am sure Jay Leno only wanted 5 cars. 😅😅
@@TheSaw410what job is paying 3.5k?!?!?
I traded my Blue IROC Z for one of these and specked it out in dark gray upper and a silver lower. I had it for 2 1/2 years and traded it for another new car and regretted it ever sense. It was an awesome car ... I saw it at the Minneapolis auto show and ordered it straight from GM at the show. I currently own four collector cars and after watching this I am going to start shopping for one. Thank you for reminding me how much I miss it. This car in my spec turned more heads then my IROC. I took it to E&G classics and had a custom wing painted and installed the day I got it . I have owed many cars that are iconic now and this is the one I long for. If you put new struts and shocks on it you will not believe how well that car handles. Its not a super fast car but it is very quick and I love that this one ended up with you. P.S> I hand the upgraded stereo system...I had every option.
In 88-89 I use to work for National Car Rental and they had a midnight blue with flakes, a gold pin strip and grey cloth interior. The car was a straight BEAST. Seeing this car brings back so many good memories. This Oldsmobile is packed with power. I wish I could own one. The space, the comfort, the power. But I never heard of the Quad 442 Package. Either way I'd still take it. Great/ awesome pick up. Can't wait to see it when you finish with it...and please don't get ride of it because It's definitely a KEEPER.
I had a '95 Monte Z34 with the same engine. 7000 RPM was no problem for that engine. Unique sound to it too , especially at high RPM. It was common to develop an intake manifold gasket leak. Mine had that issue, it took me several months to figure out the problem. It didn't want to run when cold but once you got some heat in the engine it would run fine. I just had to give it enough throttle to keep it from dying. Other issue they had was the O-ring on the oil pump drive between the heads would start leaking oil like crazy. Unfortunately the cylinder head is in the way of being an easy fix. It also has a timing belt. I still have the special tool to lock the cams in. It ended with a blown head gasket many years ago RIP Monte.
Absolute trash
the problem with it dieing and hard starting is a injector is shorting out had this happen in a 3.1 chevy lumina would die after running a few seconds and would cause a dim light on the injector wires because there is a shortage on one would cause a overload to the ecu and shut the car off.
Second this. These early GM V6's were known for bad injectors, I had a lumina that had the same problem
Oh my gosh i had that exact problem on my 1989 old cutlass supreme international coupe and never could figure it out. It would die on me while driving and wouldn't restart. Bought in high-school sold couple years later because wasn't safe to drive and no mechanic went to fixed it.
*dying
My 91 firebird with the 3.1 had the same issue!
@@dylano7242 I had an 89 Calais w/quad 4, FE 3 suspension & body side molding/cladding for a few years and never had that issue. Lucky, I guess? It did start leaking water into the trunk and I could not find the point of intrusion.
I searched for months for a 1995 convertible Cutlass Supreme. I envisioned it being something to take to car shows that most people had no idea even existed. After finding one with decent miles and a color/spec I wanted, we drove two and a half hours to go buy it. The second I sat in it, I knew I shouldn’t have met my hero. It was chipped and scratched everywhere, it wallowed when you went into slight turns, the top didn’t close without multiple people pulling on it, and it leaked oil. I also read that the engine needed quite a bit of maintenance. My heart still holds a place for the 1995 vert but I wasn’t ready for a constant project. Cool car.
Yes, I saw quite a few of these on the roads in the southwest back in the day. The stock engine for the QUAD 442 trim package would have been the Quad 4, but since your engine has 'Twin Dual Cams', i.e. Quad Cams, the badge is still correct. The hole in the washer bottle is for a battery charge state indicator that would have been found on the stock AC Delco battery. Yes, I agree with everyone else that the reason for the no-start is likely the ignition control module, but not the coil pack. The coil pack would most likely produce a miss not a no-start condition. No, unless an injector is supposed to be spraying, you do not want both power and ground at it. 🤓
I have this engine in my Pontiac Fiero track car. Swapped it in 2004 and been beating the crap out of it in the canyons and at the track ever since. I know these engines inside and out. Did a full rebuild, built a custom intake, tuned it, played with cam timing, etc. Reach out if you get stuck on anything!
Are you using the stock ecm or have you gone to a standalone? I'm trying to find a timing belt tension actuator... I just pulled the heads off mine and it was due for a timing belt while i'm doing the headgaskets.
@@GridIndustries I'm using the stock ECU with a flashable EEPROM. If I end up changing anything else I will probably go standalone. It's a PITA to pull the chip to make a small change.
The hydraulic tensioner is no longer available new, but they seem to last a long time if maintained properly. You should pull the rubber plug, dump out the oil, and refill with synthetic motor oil. BTW, there's a screw you can turn and a hole to put a pin in to retract it and reuse.
If you have the front cover and heads off, pull the distributor plug / oil pump drive and reseal it. Also pull the intermediate shaft and check the front bearing. It is a plain bearing and gets rubbed pretty hard on a cold start. When it fails it's catastrophic.
@@mixedsurfacemy actuator failed after 26k miles
@@go4damo that sucks. I wonder if it wasn't properly filled with oil, even when new.
Timing belt on these engines are a necessity. Definitely plan to replace. There was a timing advance that folks would do to help wake the engine up a bit. Rumor was GM had these engines WAY more potent but had to limit so trans would hold up. I had intake gasket leak where mine would run like absolute garbage until it warmed up. They were a bit temperamental, but were such a blast when running right. Love to rev, going to be cool with that manual transmission.
I’m still part of a Facebook page where someone posted NOS crate engine a while back. Hopefully you don’t need that, but they were out there fairly recently.
Looking forward to the restoration on this one. Congrats again on the awesome car.
Intake gaskets on the GM 3000's were total shit
That might be me. I have an NOS motor coming next week for my 93 Grand Prix STE sedan actually. The motor that's in my 91 Cutlass Supreme International Series coupe is also an NOS one. Trouble free miles after almost a year now.
These engines were like the Taurus SHO V6 in that they were actually good for upwards of 8000rpm, and in prototype form made over 300HP. GM did not have a transmission capable of taking that power in FWD format, nor the RPM.
@@moedig, the DexCool was the problem, not the gaskets.
Are you sure it's a belt?? That's stupid as shit.
8:40 back in the late 80s and through 90s GM sold their cars with maintenance free batteries with a hydrometer telling you if battery was charged would have a green color on the eye or black for dead battery.
My 2nd car was a Oldsmobile Delta 88. Loaded with everything. Man I loved that car. It was comfortable as hell and moved pretty damn good for the time
The quad 442 is definitely a factory decal, it was a special factory option. What a beautiful car and good buy!
Thanks!
But not for that car! That's for the early 90's calais quad 442. Smh
@@LegitStreetCars not on that car it was on a Calias
@@LegitStreetCarsthat's incorrect. It was not a factory decale for these cars. The Quad 442 was a sub model for the Cutlass Calais. It featured a W41 4 cylinder engine with 195hp and a special suspension package. And some had even more special options for racing. There was a lot that you said about this car that was wrong. But seeing as you're new to the Oldsmobile game, it's forgivable.
Those Rochester injectors always partially shorted, especially hot. This would shut the injector drivers down, in the PCM. Injectors should be 12.1 ohms. 3 ganged together would be 4 ohms.
I was just having that conversation today at a car show. This old timer was telling those exact words.
That car is the perfect balance between cool and kitch. You should definitely keep it. I would really enjoy watching restoration videos right down to it getting it re-pinstriped after you've taken care of everything else.
No pin stripe please.
Agree! W-body restoration would be amazing to see!
If you want to do a custom exhaust, I used to have a Camaro style FLowmaster 40 on my 92 Cavalier Z24 for dual exhaust. It was mounted like a regular muffler, but the tailpipe from the other side was routed to the driver side where the muffler is and was connected that way. These 60 degree engines sound soooo good with this setup.
The Quad442 sticker is from a 1990-1991 Olds Calais Quad442 W40 car. the W41 Calais got a silver version of that decal.
The sticker actually sits behind the front wheels on each side of the car, and continues along the length of the car.
Didn't know this specific variant existed, but my girlfriend in high school had a Cutlass Supreme.
Plenty of room in the back seat. Two thumbs up.
I guess you and your girlfriend found how great the backseats were 😅
8:12 It's Twin Dual Cam because it's a V engine so there are two banks of dual cams. Therefore, the name makes sense.
Nice try but nope. GM's QUAD designation was only for the four cylinder engines. 4 cylinders, 4 valves per cylinder, 2 cams. Trust me.
Finally some 90's Cutlass content! I currently own a 1993 Cutlass Supreme Convertible with 68k miles. There's a misfire that I can't figure out and I didn't think about old gas being the culprit.
Olds Trofeo is another dead gorgeous car.
Totally agree
My Dad had a Burgundy Trofeo with burgandy leather interior. What a beautiful car!
I had an 88 in Midnight Blue. With the dark color and the blacked out trim that car was bad ass. The mesh factory 16's with BF Goodrich low pros. The airplane style shifter got me plenty of "cheeks" as a young man 😂
I'll never forget it.
Alex is the best man. Thanks for tipping the driver.
That is a great buy Alex. That is a museum car. That was they days when bosses said. Just do it. Oh and, Max is such a cool part of the team.
I knew about the 91 Achieva Quad 442 but have never seen a unicorn like this. I have so much respect for your diagnostic abilities. The car will be more fun if you can drive it instead of just sitting in it.
When I was in college I worked part-time for the company that supplied GM with those bubble headlight adjusters!
There is a VERY remote chance I may have made one of those!
That's a very cool stat!
As a GM tech from the 80's/90's I remember these cars well. We did a lot of head gaskets and heads on these engines. And the 80's switch gear would come apart in your hands. Also, the paint was notorious for orange peel and many were repainted brand new. Still, it was a better car than the Fiero!
I had 3 different Fieros over the years. I had an 86 SE 4cyl/5-speed which I bought with 30k miles and sold with 110k. I traded that one for cash plus a different Fiero. An 85 4cyl/4-spd..it ran good, but it had a cracked rear quarter, so I sold it to a cousin who was a body man. Lastly, I had a mint 87 GT w/auto (burgundy over gray). Great car that I had tuned in pretty great. None of them had any of the typical "fiero" issues
@@TheodoreWeiser Another tech and I worked on the 2.5 cars for months. Engine after engine. With a 2 post lift we could nearly beat book time.
Yeah but you never worked on a fiero gt with a 3.4 quad cam swap with a turbo lol.
In 87? Or 88? I saw a brand new Oldsmobile with this body style in a customer’s front yard, in person, in Indiana. Absolutely one of the most beautiful American cars I had ever seen, I was in awe 😂
This is a 92.
It's neither. Its a '92, it appears.
My grandma had an 89' Cutlass supreme since it was new! It was in perfect condition, but stopped running due to some of the the wiring deteriorating over time. It sat in her garage for years. She lived right nextdoor to me and I would think about all the ways I would customize it and so many different versions of it in my mind! Everything from a lowrider with wire wheels and air suspension to a rear wheel drive conversion with a supercharged V8 popping out of the hood. My grandma passed away a couple of years ago and I made an offer on it, but my meth head uncle that used to be a great mechanic said that it had been promised to him. My aunt still owns my grandma's house and the car is still sitting in the same spot for 25 years now. In perfect cosmetic condition, but it's sad to think it's too far gone mechanically to ever be worth the time, money and effort to be on the road again. I'll ask again when my uncle dies, but I just might try to find one that is currently running and driving. This video brought back a lot of memories for me. Thank you and keep up the good work on these forgotten gems.
The Quad 442 was an Oldsmobile badge, but not for that engine. It was on the Cutlass Calais but obviously with the Quad4 engine. It stood for 4 cylinders, 4 valves 2 camshafts.
90s cars where strange because they were injected but often not ECU controlled
Instead they used A distributor and an electronic ignition with an ignition amplifier run from the rotor arm in the distributor as timing.
I had a car back in the 90s (UK Ford) that drove great but developed a problem where it would drive perfectly for 10 minutes then cut out and not restart until leaving it for a few minutes to cool down then it would restart and drive perfectly for another 5 or 10 minutes before cutting out again.
What that turned out to be was the ignition amplifier bolted to the side of the distributor was warming up and a either a crack in the PCB or a dry joint was expanding and breaking connection with the wiring. In those days the ignition amplifiers were cheap enough to just replace. I suspect you have a similar issue.
Common with ignition control modules on my LT1 Z28 as well. As the module would age go through heat cycles mounted to the head, the heat would eventually ruin the chip inside and make it do the same thing you are decribing once it warmed up.
I worked at a GM shop 20 years ago and I remember the techs cussing these cars when they had to replace the starters i believe it was.
Yeah they were buried in the engine bay like the battery was. Thanks GM. just make it hard to service like a modern audi. Great idea.🙄🙄
@@coletrickle-km7clAudi and bmw send their love 😂🤣
Do the rear plugs 😂
@@bewild-nk8gb rear plugs? No need it's got a super rare remote wireless spark plugs. The fronts split the spark to the rear hence the larger gap. 🤫😂🤣
No where near as bad as a Audi , but the Audi build is much better @@coletrickle-km7cl
My dad worked for GM as an electrical engineer my whole life. He was always bringing cool/interesting cars home. He brought one of them home once, and the olds Calais 442 also.
Had a 95 cutlass loved it. I would do the timing belt. I bet your timing is off if it's not fuel. Did the project 10 years ago pretty easy. Fun high reving engine! I own a 911, sl55, tesla, and had a SHO and a X5 that I just sold ;) feel like we are related. Lol. Keep up the great content.
Budd Lake, NJ 😁 I absolutely LOVE this generation GM! I had so many Chevy Berettas and would buy one in a heartbeat if I could find a decent one, but I want another 90 GTZ with the Quad 4 ❤
I still have my 96 Z26 from high school (03). A few years ago I 5sp swapped it with my son. It will be his high school car in a few years. That beretta still gets more looks and compliments than my BMW. 😂
My first new car was a Beretta GT. Loved that car.
Love the scared hydrocarbons…
What a blast from the past!! I had a 89 Cutlass International in black with the gray bottom, 2.8L V6, digital dash, and moon roof. Loved that car. Not many of this generation of cutlass supremes in my area during that time. I owned it from 1992 to 1996 when it developed an electrical problem. Just driving it one day and a stream of smoke came out of one of the buttons on the steering wheel controls. I traded it in about a week later.
I had this car when i was 18. Bought it out of a salvage yard. Someone dropped it off as a tax write off and i bought it for $400 lol 😆 only difference was that i had no idea what i had besides a really comfortable v6 to daily around lol. Didn’t realize it was this rare.
That spec ??
@@migmogg8087definitely not that spec lol
@@jaysrandomnesschannelI bet
My dad had an 89 Grand Am with the Quad4 and a 5-speed. That car was sneaky fast back then, especially compared to the Hondas that were running around at the time. That 7k redline was fun too. Love the work you do, Alex. I’m around the same age as you, and living vicariously through your fleet. Definitely my favorite channel on the tube.
Hardly. The '92 Integra GSR would drive past this thing like it was standing still.
@@TheSaw410Probably so, but where I lived back then, the GSR might as well have been a Skyline… it was that rare. There were a LOT of “Integra Type-R’s” though… with the stickers in the wrong places 😂
Type Rs weren’t around in 1992.
@@Nick210this was more like 98-99, but as I remember the type R was Japan only, which made it funny to see a regular integra with some stickers and a fart can.
Did all the W Body cars have the rear leaf spring?
Yes it was similar to Corvette and also used on AWD 6000.
The 1st generation of the platform did. The 95 Lumina and Monte Carlo switched to coil springs, then every other car switched in 97
There were 2 different springs as well. The softer spring was coded FE1. The sportier versions of these cars had FE3...like yours.
@LegitStreetCars the mono leaf stopped in like 95 for the w-body. I use these cars for demolition derby cars. They hold up the best.
Dude this is why I love this channel is the cars like this that would never be loved by anyone else
My parents had an Olds Cutlass Supreme growing up and it was a really nice car. The 90's had some really cool cars. Man I love and miss the 90's.
The Chevy Lumina Z34 "corporate twin"...
Lumina Z34 was a basic 3.1L
I had a 91 Cavalier Z24 with the 3.1 and a 3 speed auto. It was a beast stoplight to stoplight. Max speed of 95ish I think.
@@EazymoneyBicchnope 3.4
@@EazymoneyBicchthe Z34 was the LQ1 3.4. It could even be had in the 4 door Euro but it was rare.
@@EazymoneyBicch 3.4L... the Z34 was a beast for its day...
I owned the sibling to this! I owned a 1991 AND a 1992 Chevy Lumina Z34 with the same engine. Mine were automatic, unfortunately. But I loved those cars! Timing belts were a nightmare.
Nah, they're not that bad.
I had 2 of the Olds Dual Twin Cam Cutlasses many years ago. I had a 1991 with a 5-speed. It would intermittently stall when I pushed the clutch in going around corners, so I would suddenly be without power steering and brakes. I'd have to quickly select a gear and side-step the clutch. Baker Olds in Leominster was a great group of guys, but they could never fix it. They bought it back from me and I got a 1995 3.4 with an automatic. I later found a service bulletin about the stalling that spoke about crankshaft excessive end play, so the thrust bearing was probably the culprit. The '95 would get coolant into the intake manifold, leaking, I was told, through some fitting that allowed the manifold to be cooled. I always wanted the convertible version, with that huge rollbar. Enjoy! I wish I still had one.
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Within a minute I am hooked, this thing is so cool
Agreed
You really need to get an OBD1 scan tool
An old OTC Genisys or Snap On MT2500 (aka the red brick)
I suspect there's some live data the ECU could be giving you to help the repair
My OTC genisys died, but my old OTC 4000 still works great. GM had decent data going back to 1981.
My OBD I scan tool is a paper clip. That's really all you need to extort information from the ECU. The rest is multimeter and noid lights.
2nd vote on the red brick
@@jdangberga brick scanner could actually give information besides codes, to bad I didn't have one when I actually worked on these cars tho lol
What a blast from the past! My mother had the same car for a couple of years, it was not the 442 option but everything else is the same! I loved that car but it definitely had some electrical issues. Can't wait to hear her run and drive.
Never heard of this kind of olds. But love that’s it’s a standard. And the paint is gonna really shine
I had one of these.....not a QUAD, but my '94 Olds Cutless had almost the SAME interior, great seats, comfortable....same "Boxy" GM 90s interior......brings back memories......good old 90s Olds.........
Here’s to another wonderful video! Thank you Alex and Max for making our Saturday mornings memorable!
Alex - the enthusiasm for your adventures is always infectious. Every time I watch an episode I can't wait to get back to working on our projects and videos. Thanks for that.
Saw this Oldsmobile sitting in the lot during last weeks video and just thought it was a toronado. My uncle is an olds fanatic and has a 90 or 91 toronado amongst other olds cars. Cool cars
@@arosie05 my favorite car I ever owned was an 87 Cadillac ElDorado. One of the small ones like the olds trofeo. Its roof sat lower than my 87 camaro’s roof. Yet somehow the interior seemed huge. Had those leather pillow top seats. It was like sitting in my living room. It had a 4.5L North Star or just pre North Star V8. Handled like a sports car and went pretty good. Nice little old lady turned in front of me and that was all she wrote.
I replaced the 2.8 V6 in my Fiero with a GM 3.4 long block everything else bolted up and it had a 4 speed stick I could beat my buddies 1998 Mustang GT by about 3 car lengths with the 2.8 I could only hold him back through first gear then his V8 slowly pulled away. The 3.4 was no joke
The 3.4 that accepts all the Fiero top end components is not the same block as the 3.4 DOHC or "Twin Dual Cam". Similar, but not the same. The DOHC block is modified for the larger heads and absence of a cam that the pushrod engine has. And even though the 3.4 pushrod motor is a nice upgrade over the stock Fiero 2.8, it doesn't make the power the DOHC motor makes in stock form (around 160hp for the pushrod motor and 210-225hp for the DOHC.)
Great way to start the morning 👍🏾
These little undiscovered gems are what true car people live for. Anybody with money can buy a supercar; but not everybody finds cars like this or appreciates them.
What's another cool car I should buy?
Another BMW. Older like a 2002 or a 318i. Or a air cooled VW. No to Ferraris- they're unrepairable.
Subaru SVX with a flat 6
Edit: Nice Cutlass!!
More mercedes content please I would like to see a W208 just because I have a convertible here in EU
Buick Lesabre T-Type! only available 1987 to 1989!
@@AnonymousPhotog yes
That interior looks like it’s in surprisingly good condition
i knew this was coming. i saw this behind future alex in the last video and had a pretty good idea what this was. awesome find!
For the people who don't know, oldsmobile was used for testing alot of new technologies. Much of the features we have today were first employed in an oldsmobile
Your content has been very enjoyable - keep it up!
This is some real Hoovie stuff. I support it.
Hoovie can’t spin wrenches like our boy Alex
@@gs1100ed fair point, but definitely a Hoovie purchase
What a beautiful - unknown to me- car. I bet most Europeans have never seen a car like this.
I used to work at an Oldsmobile dealership back in 1995 and drove so many of these Cutlass Supremes on and off the lot. I was just a lot attendant but driving these cars was so fun and they just felt like they had so much raw power (might have been the exhaust too). Remember the Bravada? Great content, love the 90s stuff
Oldsmobile are classics for sure
I’m in Chicago visiting some family… let me stop by and pick it up, if not I can take the GTR 😂
I just picked up a 92 Z34 5 speed. Same motor and trans, thanks for this, as there are zero videos online for how to do stuff. I'll be adding it to my channel soon! Thanks Alex!
QUAD 442 BADGE INFO: I just happen to be a semi-expert and also currently own one. They where only the Calais models and where produced in 90’ and 91’ only. High Output 2.3 Quad 4 with the low ratio 5 speed is the only way they came. Jay Leno reviewed one about 1 year ago on his TH-cam show. Additionally there are multiple Facebook groups dedicated to these. But bottom line, no that decal definitely does Not belong on that car
I had a black ‘93 Olds Cutlass and loved that car. Great fuel mileage and decent power. I had the standard 3.1.
I like this channel. I like how he does older, obscure cars. Not just super cars and sports cars.
No matter what is under the hood, it is still a GM-10, as the project was dubbed. I knew a fellow who was an engineer at Magna International on the GM-10 project. The back brakes are a nughtmare to keep working. The calipers need rebuilding every 2 years because the parking brake hangs up and seizes. There were myriad other issues with them. Maybe rarity value on this will make up for some of the engineering deficits, but im not so sure this car is really worth the effort except as a museum piece.
I love watching the electrical diagnostics unfold. So much logic involved.
My aunt had one of these in dark blue and it was an automatic. I remember how comfy the seats were and how cold the A/C blew. Good times👍🏼
I was a GM test driver in 1990-91 and remember driving a Pontiac Bonneville that had a HUD. Cutting edge stuff back then!
I had a white ‘94 Cutlass Supreme Convertible with the 3.4L. It wasn’t a manual, but it was fast and a ton of fun! It had every option including the HUD, except the rear luggage rack (thankfully). I loved the interior, including that back seat. Thanks for the video!