For harbingers, the small nodes adds up to 100% increased splinters dropped. Not getting the small nodes is effectively halving the loot you get from them, while doubling the cost.
Are you sure about that? I was looking at it the same way you did and I found it says "3 random notables", not *3 random unallocated notables". I think it's worth testing, but I'm not sure it works
Honestly, I'm not sure at this point. I can't find another example of POE using "allocates unallocated" or something along those lines. My bigger issue at the moment is that they seem to use "allocate" differently every time it is implemented into the game.
*EDIT* This was confirmed by GGG in a FAQ post that this notable can select from already allocated notables. This makes it slightly less good, but I think still incredibly powerful for early essence farming. ** There's been a ton of questions about the Essence example in this video and whether this notable is able to Choose/Allocate already allocated notables or not. I've dug way deeper into how the word "allocate" is used in POE and the different instances of it than I've ever wanted to at this point and my conclusion is... we have no idea how this will work exactly without comment from GGG or until release. There's been great discussion in the comment though! And I appreciate it! IF this is able to allocate nodes you already have allocated I would still use this for essences early, or if I'm progressing the right side of the tree.
Is there confirmation that it doesn't allocate nodes that you already have allocated? In your Essence example at 02:30, can it allocate the node you already have?
There has not been confirmation. Maybe I'm being optimistic about the wording, but historically you can not "allocate" something that is already allocated. So in this case, I guess two things could happen. it allocates unallocated nodes, or only allocated 2 nodes. Only allocating two nodes in this case would be very confusing based on the wording.
You take for granted that the node will pick from a pool of unallocated notables. The wording doesn't specify that, and for all we know, it can pick an allocated node too. Edit: Oh. i just saw your comment
Harbinger is good if your strat is not quantity based an you're not rushing bosses. It's very niche and it's imho something you'd plug if you have pushed your atlas in multiplayer, are a noob and can't farm proper content yet(so you farm it in low tier maps which has absolutely no impact on yelds for this mechanic). OR it can be used when juicing in ssf imho. Taking harbinger is adding a bit of density which is not hard to clear and provides a moderate constant currency income.
By missing out on all the small Essence nodes you'd be losing out on 45% chance of an extra essence per imprisoned monster. Might still be worth if it cannot select a notable you already have allocated. If not then I'm not sure it's worth it.
I think if you aren't going to the left side of the tree it'll be worth it anyways. Regardless it seems extremely worth at beginning of atlas progression when you do not have enough points to allocate all of the pathing.
Wonder if this keystone will work with the other keystone left on it when running Fortune Favours the Brave. Could actually be quite lucrative if you're running something like a Expedition + Harvest strategy where there's no good Kirac mod. Maybe not worth it due to the added time of certain league mechanics thoguh and some of them like Breach having way too many noteables to be consistent.
GGG did confirm that it would work with the new Fortunes Favor the Brave node and apply to both map mods that are selected! However, i believe this will end up costing 100% more twice, aka 12c per map. With some many mid notables I don't think it ends up being worth.
@@LumpsIsHigh honestly, that's what I originally had written and why I edited the comment. I have no idea which way is correct as they are using "more" instead of "increased".
I don't think you can allocate something twice. But I guess we'll have to wait to find out for sure! Example would be invocations from Sanctum league. You couldn't allocate a keystone from the tree, then allocate again from the invocation.
@@firkzgaming Not true for passive skill tree. You can allocate Mind over matter when equipping cloak of defiance (doesn't do anything besides wasting a point).
To be clear, that is not the same thing. Cloak of Defiance says "Mind Over Matter", not "Allocates Mind Over Matter". Historically in PoE, allocates specifically means it is allocated on the tree. Cloak of Defiance does not allocate it on the tree when equipped. Annoints for example say "Allocates..." and then mark it on the tree. I think this is one of those situations in PoE where the wording really matters. Of course, this could all be completely wrong and GGG decides to implement this new Keystone however they see fit.
@@firkzgaming actually great point about the wording, before this moment I also thought it was 3 random, but indeed it's worded as if it would only consider unallocated ones. Will be interesting to see how it works, even with 3 random you could use it with essence, harbinger or domination pretty well! Edit: ofc you could also use it with fortune favors the brave and potentially with it's keystone, tho it would probably cost 12c since both keystones give 100% MORE cost.
@@firkzgaming well since you mentioned anoints, you CAN manually take a notable in your tree and have it anointed, and it won't give you bonuses twice. Also speaking of wording on the keystone, it doesn't say its allocate anything, it "chooses 3 random Notables associated with that League and treat them as allocated". Well, nothing preventing it from treating allocated node as allocated, so I'd expect it to do that sometimes, and therefore be completely useless keystone for league mechanics with bunch of notables in the tree:) When first reading the keystone I was planning to try wandering path with Harbingers, then processed the wording better:)
Kinda sad about the ritual, like why would I ever consider using crafting option at that cost if ritual vessels exist and they put 4 altars with monsters included for like 13-20c and 1 scarab slot usually. Imo should cost about the same as legion or 1c less
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For harbingers, the small nodes adds up to 100% increased splinters dropped. Not getting the small nodes is effectively halving the loot you get from them, while doubling the cost.
except that its 100% chance for ONE additional stack of splinters.
but 12c for 3 harbingers is still mid tho
Honestly, the more I think about it, 12c for 3 harbingers just seems bad overall.
@@firkzgaming it's good later if you can use harbinger sextant. 6c extra to save 20-25 atlas points for something else
If it works with wandering path 🤔
@@Jem6a I'm pretty sure it will "work" but the nodes will allocate nothing. :)
Are you sure about that?
I was looking at it the same way you did and I found it says "3 random notables", not *3 random unallocated notables".
I think it's worth testing, but I'm not sure it works
^ this
Honestly, I'm not sure at this point. I can't find another example of POE using "allocates unallocated" or something along those lines.
My bigger issue at the moment is that they seem to use "allocate" differently every time it is implemented into the game.
*EDIT* This was confirmed by GGG in a FAQ post that this notable can select from already allocated notables. This makes it slightly less good, but I think still incredibly powerful for early essence farming. **
There's been a ton of questions about the Essence example in this video and whether this notable is able to Choose/Allocate already allocated notables or not.
I've dug way deeper into how the word "allocate" is used in POE and the different instances of it than I've ever wanted to at this point and my conclusion is... we have no idea how this will work exactly without comment from GGG or until release.
There's been great discussion in the comment though! And I appreciate it!
IF this is able to allocate nodes you already have allocated I would still use this for essences early, or if I'm progressing the right side of the tree.
Is there confirmation that it doesn't allocate nodes that you already have allocated? In your Essence example at 02:30, can it allocate the node you already have?
There has not been confirmation. Maybe I'm being optimistic about the wording, but historically you can not "allocate" something that is already allocated.
So in this case, I guess two things could happen. it allocates unallocated nodes, or only allocated 2 nodes. Only allocating two nodes in this case would be very confusing based on the wording.
You take for granted that the node will pick from a pool of unallocated notables. The wording doesn't specify that, and for all we know, it can pick an allocated node too.
Edit: Oh. i just saw your comment
Harbinger is good if your strat is not quantity based an you're not rushing bosses. It's very niche and it's imho something you'd plug if you have pushed your atlas in multiplayer, are a noob and can't farm proper content yet(so you farm it in low tier maps which has absolutely no impact on yelds for this mechanic). OR it can be used when juicing in ssf imho. Taking harbinger is adding a bit of density which is not hard to clear and provides a moderate constant currency income.
By missing out on all the small Essence nodes you'd be losing out on 45% chance of an extra essence per imprisoned monster. Might still be worth if it cannot select a notable you already have allocated. If not then I'm not sure it's worth it.
I think if you aren't going to the left side of the tree it'll be worth it anyways. Regardless it seems extremely worth at beginning of atlas progression when you do not have enough points to allocate all of the pathing.
Wonder if this keystone will work with the other keystone left on it when running Fortune Favours the Brave.
Could actually be quite lucrative if you're running something like a Expedition + Harvest strategy where there's no good Kirac mod.
Maybe not worth it due to the added time of certain league mechanics thoguh and some of them like Breach having way too many noteables to be consistent.
GGG did confirm that it would work with the new Fortunes Favor the Brave node and apply to both map mods that are selected! However, i believe this will end up costing 100% more twice, aka 12c per map. With some many mid notables I don't think it ends up being worth.
@@firkzgaming I'd say it's more likely that the math will work like support gems. 100% more + 100% more = 200% more. So 9c.
@@LumpsIsHigh honestly, that's what I originally had written and why I edited the comment. I have no idea which way is correct as they are using "more" instead of "increased".
Overloaded Circuits says 3 random notables, isn't there a chance it will "allocate" the notable you've already allocated?
I don't think you can allocate something twice. But I guess we'll have to wait to find out for sure!
Example would be invocations from Sanctum league. You couldn't allocate a keystone from the tree, then allocate again from the invocation.
@@firkzgaming Not true for passive skill tree. You can allocate Mind over matter when equipping cloak of defiance (doesn't do anything besides wasting a point).
To be clear, that is not the same thing. Cloak of Defiance says "Mind Over Matter", not "Allocates Mind Over Matter". Historically in PoE, allocates specifically means it is allocated on the tree.
Cloak of Defiance does not allocate it on the tree when equipped. Annoints for example say "Allocates..." and then mark it on the tree. I think this is one of those situations in PoE where the wording really matters.
Of course, this could all be completely wrong and GGG decides to implement this new Keystone however they see fit.
@@firkzgaming actually great point about the wording, before this moment I also thought it was 3 random, but indeed it's worded as if it would only consider unallocated ones. Will be interesting to see how it works, even with 3 random you could use it with essence, harbinger or domination pretty well!
Edit: ofc you could also use it with fortune favors the brave and potentially with it's keystone, tho it would probably cost 12c since both keystones give 100% MORE cost.
@@firkzgaming well since you mentioned anoints, you CAN manually take a notable in your tree and have it anointed, and it won't give you bonuses twice. Also speaking of wording on the keystone, it doesn't say its allocate anything, it "chooses 3 random Notables associated with that League and treat them as allocated". Well, nothing preventing it from treating allocated node as allocated, so I'd expect it to do that sometimes, and therefore be completely useless keystone for league mechanics with bunch of notables in the tree:)
When first reading the keystone I was planning to try wandering path with Harbingers, then processed the wording better:)
Any updates on if overloaded circuits and bold undertakings are worthwhile?
Probably not, but I'm not one to use fortune favors the brave in general usually.
Does it bypasses wandering path limitation or it wont because the notables wont do anything?
It will work and use your currency, but the nodes will grant nothing.
Kinda sad about the ritual, like why would I ever consider using crafting option at that cost if ritual vessels exist and they put 4 altars with monsters included for like 13-20c and 1 scarab slot usually. Imo should cost about the same as legion or 1c less
Ritual is always expensive and i have no idea why. Luckily it's still available as a sextant mod and much cheaper than this.