Worlds 2019 - A Time of Turmoil and Lessons Learned | Team Liquid x Honda Presents: Level Up
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- When you are up against the very best, sometimes preparation isn't enough. We pushed and we fought but in the end we did not succeed. We'll keep digging deeper, and our quest to Level Up will continue.
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I honestly think TL played their cards as best as they could at Worlds and just got outclassed, listening to their draft processes helps me see that they got what they wanted but just couldn't execute on it. Good luck to them next year, hopefully DL can finally get out of groups at Worlds.
For me they did not play there best. I know they can win I believe that, but they are not mentally ready I guess. Like, they are so afraid to make mistakes that they can get experience from and they need to work on there dragon positioning. They like to sell their whole team for a single dragon ( the reason they lost to damwon on round 2). And lastly, they are more afraid of losing rather than wanting to win. It's just their mentality
They got what they wanted but their comps were just bad, watching them explain how they got counter matchups so its fine made my head hurt, the counter match-ups have no effect whatsoever its about team comps v team comps, their team comp vs IG was win 15-20 mins or bust that kind of comp on the world stage is super impossible to execute against top teams. Olaf specifically had no place in that last game.
They beat damwon first round so they actually could have won. They alway make other teams look so much better than they are . Oh well, they will produce the same result for the next 10 years
They are just not good enough.
If you watched the games you'd know that Jensen underperformed and he could do way better than that. Yes the other teams may have been better, but every team in that group wasn't at full strength at the same time.
I felt that shit DL. This roster reignited my love for lol esports and I wish you all the best. Let's go Liquid.
I really hope all the players currently on the team stick around another year. It seriously sucks that we lost, but they have come a long way, and I think that they can still make seriously make progress as a team. Let's Go Liquid!!!
Yea, i do too. This year I think TL needed a stong early game jg. Still think so, but the meta could shift and it might be xmithie's.
yea fuck xmithie lets be real
i think they already reached their peak
Jg gap is big
Jensen leaving though
The shots of Cain walking around alone after the elimination game were so cinematic, great vid, and keep at it TL!
I cried
honestly the editing gets better and better every episode, DL's passion for this game, his team, and his dream is incredible.
It's okay Ovilee, this roster is really strong and I also truly believe in them and their individual and team abilities. This worlds was a great learning experience, and I don't doubt that this unit will grow and make us all even more proud next year (Though they have already done so much!).
why lmfao
Why is this account not verified 🤔
She cried lol? This from the girl not 24 hours after they lost was straight up begging g2 to wear their colors haha.
Time to get bigger champ pools. We lose pick and ban from being too predictable and not trusting players on certain picks
I was about to say, we're too basic and predictable!
Amen, it's too easy for other teams to knock them off their games in draft
on god. i can predict their picks a mile away.
I like Impact Aatrox starting to carry top but when it’s not working it just suck. Yes, they need to be more unpredictable. I’m sure most teams have had that match up many times and they should keep the players but expand their champ pool.
Thats the big thing in my mind with G2 and FPX is that they give their players absolute trust and confidence on any pick. whether it works or not their ability to be creative lets them win games.
Learn from other teams mistakes! DONT PULL A TSM HERE! This is a great roster! Trust in them and their growth!
So, acquire Bjerg and Jensen role swap bot?
@@MikeB32280 that's g2. Tsm is the one who turning junglers into walking wards.
They pulled the tsm
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
If you actually break this down, it's way less insightful than it seems.
If you know what's goin' on, you know what's gonna happen.
If you sorta know what's goin' on, you know some of what's gonna happen.
If you don't know what's goin on, u fucked up
@@blankoblanco a lot of quotes from "The Art of War" arent super deep, but if it helps people understand a si.ple concept by making it sound complicated then its whatever.
man i was in berlin on the last day of groups, i saw them loose the last game, i also cheered for them so hard before the game. im an ad main since season2 , a huge doublelift fan and i just want my boy double to make it out of groups. Seeing this again from another perspective was so hard for me ... go hard in 2020 double
same case here. ad main, huge doublelift fan. i just want him to win the big one. forget making it out of groups. Doublelift himself said "Its good to have high expectations of the teams you wanna see succed". i only want the best for DL, and the best is winning worlds
I want him to make it out of groups as well but I feel like they will get 3-0’d right after in a quarter final
tbh, it wasnt because I hate TL or anything but I didnt want them to make it out of groups because Im a big fan of Nuguri and Rookie, even though I would not have been sad if TL made it out of groups instead of IG. I hope NA gets better tbh, even though I meme them because they never make it out of groups and they always look like they are not capable for international competition but I think it would also be better for my region which is EU because EU and NA like to draft a lot and I also think that NA and EU(especially EU rn) have the potential to be better than the LCK and the LPL.
@@buuhan6808 i been a doublelift fan now for 2 years. im well conditioned enough to just accept that we will always go 3-3 and never make it out of groups. NA will never have a chance when their all time best player (doublelift) cant get past groups
Spicy Curry all y’all are prob gold xddddd
I saw their entire journey this year and I saw everything that led up to these points and I found myself being brought to tears. I love this team and I really hope they know that they have all our support as fans
Huge variance in mentality between Liquid and G2. Sounds so anime but G2 literally have the power of friendship while TL seems like an office environment.
merica
It helps when you are winning.
Please, either get Svenskeren or don't bother replacing Xmithie at all. Give this roster one more year, they'll be able to do it.
lol they're going to need a lot more than svenskeren to win worlds bro
@@swagfordaysbigkiller To win worlds? Maybe, to get out of groups, they can easily do it with Svenskeren or have a decent chance at it with Xmithie if they stick together one more year.
rap1d Broxah
When Korean curse words gets acknowledged with a bleep.
After Xmithie said the more stressed we are the less we trust each other. I think thats a huge difference between TL and G2. It seems like G2 even when they are behind or tilted or whatever, they always trust each others calls. I know this TL roster can get there too. They need to work on that teamwork next season and they'll look like a different team whether they are beating IG or losing to bottom tier teams.
TL, Doublelift jenson core impact xmithe, i love you guys... worlds made me cry and watching this video it reminds me of how amazing yall are please make the TL dynasty alive
LETS GO LIQUID
This really hurt to watch. I've been following you guys since DL switched and i've followed you every split and every worlds since and this...just..like others have said i was HYPED for this year. And i feel like it could have gone so differently.
We appreciate your efforts and we know it's not for lack of effort or planning.
Man, now i know how Cubs fans felt for so many years.....
I gotta be honest. Everyone has been saying how ALL of the worlds teams were so strong, and anyone had a chance to take it; but it really says a lot about DL's personality when he says "I didn't feel like any team was super great". He knows TL's close to their skill level, regardless of their performance this year. He also knows he can continue to get better and I think any pro with that mindset has a practically non-existent skill ceiling. I'm so excited for the 2020 season!
i wanted 2 hours of this.
What I saw all year but hoped that TL would be able to overcome was the stress factor of comp LoL. I know that G2 didn't win but even when they lost they left the stage laughing because at the end of the day what you guys do is like a living fantasy to the rest of us. Train hard, play hard, but also laugh hard. That's so much easier said than done but additionally if that IS happening we want to see it as fans as well. The G2 model works, the flame they've received has been nothing close to what you have received and they arguably choked one of their easiest Bo5's in the whole tournament. We love watching you guys do what you do, all the fans who care about you guys want to see you all enjoying yourselves even when it's a lost series or a lost game. Laugh because before you know it you'll be in your 40's and unable to compete, make happy memories alongside your winning ones. Build friendships that will extended past a "split" or a "season". Most importantly win worlds damn it! ;P
Rough to watch, but I am sure this team will come back way stronger next year. I cannot wait to see what y'all do!
They will not make it out next year
@@amirken5309 or the year after NA just sucks lol
I cried when they didn't make it out of groups :( I cheered super hard for them this year and I'm willing to do it again next year. I really really hope no one gets swapped out or whatsoever despite rumors circling around. this roster is strong and are capable of many great things! forever supporting this roster ❤️ TL all the way next year!!
God damn man... I empathize with Doublelift so much. It almost seems like he's desensitized to not making it out of groups... It'll be fucking glorious when he finally makes it out of groups and lives up to expectations. Nobody on TL is perfect, but they're all amazing players. I hope this roster stays together in 2020. Go TL!
Thanks for the video. It was very well put together encompassing the struggles and success in a positive manner. If I can offer a suggestion and welcome to correct me as I'm only judging from limited information, I think it is important to let both parties speak (referring to Coach Cain's 1 on 1 discussion with Jensen backstage) their side even though you may not want to hear it. It helps the other party not feel singled out and may provide valuable information. This is speaking from experience being on both ends.
The production and music choices were so on point :)
the atmosphere feels so venomous and theres no comradery. do they have bonding time at all?
"It was a good year, minus the end" (:
That shot of Ovilee had me feeling...
To be frank, they didn't look close as teammates or as friends at all here, maybe ofc they were low on spirits because they lost games when they could've won, their teamwork just wasn't there, but TL definitely can take NA to new heights, i believe them and they can grow incredibly from this, tq so much TL for this amazing year you guys broughts us
I think we should use spring split to try out new champs/strats every game. Don’t worry about the win or loss, try to get top 6 so we qualify for knockout stage and msi. There’s little to no competition in NA. 5th championship in a row sounds nice but winning worlds sounds way better.
Another thing is, we need to change out playstyle. Our playstyle is so hard that if a small thing goes wrong, it just snowballs up so much and having good macro isn’t enough to make us dominant.
#TLWORLDS2020CHAMPIONS!!!
Stop saying "we", it makes no sense.
This is a great vid. Always good to see the behind the scenes.
TL needs to avoid LPL teams i think. LCK teams are a better match because NA can match their macro, but LPL just forces fights.
Next year maybe they get a better draw !
Those shots of Ovilee and other fans are so devastating.
This music has got me feeling a feeling that i dont really want to feel ;_;
I like your goat icon picture lol
From EU here! I believe in you guys and I always look forward to watching a TL match. Best of luck in the future
Never give up. We are all proud.
This Squad has the potential to win internationally, they just need more time with each other. Xmithie needs to step up his game if he's gonna try to keep up with the top junglers like Tian, Jankos and Clid; Jensen needs to work on being tilt proof if he's gonna face midlaners like caps and doinb; DLift, Core and impact seems to be doing well but they need to improve not just as players, but working together as a team. G2 built the greatest team Europe has ever seen and one of the best in the entire world. With more time, practice and dedication, TL can show the world that they have what it takes to be the best in the world. Show us what you can do.
The game really isn't lost off of a solo kill. Maybe 3 or 4 though. I love that they panned to Jensen when DL said some mistakes will be pointed out, because that's definitely who the community is blaming the most. Hope they can come back solid next year though
It's that it comes down to 1 tournament each year. If league wasn't franchised and there would be international tournaments held left and right, you guys could find your footing and consistency. But the fact that it comes down to 1 (2 if you could MSI) tournament, makes it harder for everyone who doesn't perform on the spot.
I WILL NEVER LOSE FAITH IN MY REGION, WE WILL FUCKIN SUCCEED #TL
The mentality of this team is so god tier. The always moving forward to next year, the never give up attitude of the team, and also the brotherhood of the team is way too nutty. Just the lines of doublelift at the end literally shows how insane this teams cohesion and mentality really is. TL will kill it in 2020 LETS GO TL.
TL, you guys did your best!
It is true that TL does need deeper champ pools, if you see LPL, LCK and even LEC teams, their champ pool is immense and any meta that looks good can pop off.
But, overall TL with the acquisitions with Jensen and CoreJJ, they won it in Spring and Summer in the LCS. Also, got out of groups internationally in MSI, went to the Finals but lost but still reached the Finals and beat the iG the defending champions.
People say now and there are rumors saying Broxah might come in and Jake "Xmithie" will leave. Impact, Jensen, Doublelift, CoreJJ will stay next year.
Overall,
Good work TL and hope to see you guys in the LCS!
Amazing video. Very well put together and shot. Music was on point. Pulled at my heart strings. Does seem like Jensen is taking a huge part of the blame though. 10/10 video.
NO ROSTER CHANGES PLZ.
i feel the longer you guys play together the better the calls. to be in sync just needs more time together. This was a strong team. Let us see how much further you can go
15:13 The cameraman was having som cheetos.
This roster was actually so fucking good man. It’s actually really insane how they replaced Xmithie with Broxah. This team legit could’ve beaten anyone at the time.
Heartbreaking. Don't forget they were NA's last hope to get to knockouts on that last day as well. The pressure to execute must have been smothering.
Doublelift week 1 is almost always 2-1.
But week 2 is always the reverse of week 1.
3-3 is his ceiling.
The dragon was a good call, I don't see anyone talking about this but I think the reason the fight was lost was because Jensen fucked his recall timing and let the wave push into him, instead of giving the priority over and using TP to get into the fight he used it to go to lane and push the wave in, at that point Rookie was ready at dragon and they fought 4v4 and lost. If Jensen used his TP better it and timed his back properly it would have been a way different story. I'm not saying it's only Jensen's fault but he should have had the priority in the lane match up he was in.
This roster is the best roster NA has put together and I find that their ceiling is very high. They show exceptional talent for worlds. TL should definitely keep this group together and not make the same mistake as TSM.
I just wanted to rewatch the part where they beat damwon, holy shit my head hurts, we were so close I'm still so broken over it
Early game hard 3-4 man dives and snow balling was the name of the game this worlds 2019
I feel like Jensen is the most blamed player in the world by the community.
His first game: Great. His LB was a big reason they beat DWG.
His second game: His Akali wasn't the issue. Rookie snowballed in the game and was able to grab a lot of cs. He had a huge lead over Jensen that had nothing to do with Jensen on an individual level.
His third game: Obviously bad. But I mostly would say bad 'cause he had at least 1 bad death where he just got caught by Nautilus. People can say more than 1 but I felt him getting close to solo killing Rumble only to get Q'd by Naut and dying is a risk you're supposed to be willing to take. My main issue was his final death. That being said people totally ignored that every single team fight Rumble pressed R on Jensen and Qiyana would flank and aim Jensen. And even then when Xmithie stole baron he had 1 more death than Jensen. I feel yes Jensen sucked 'cause of a couple moments but blaming every death on him and ignoring Rumble/Qiyana aiming him every single team fight is a bit lame to me. I feel that Ori game alone made people blame TL performance at Worlds solely on Jensen.
His fourth game: His Anivia wasn't the issue. They even said this shit worked for them normally. But the dragon call was bad. No matter what, DL said if they played it well, it would be fine. But they started baron with not everyone there and they entered the pit. DL played that terribly and not everyone from TL was there.
His fifth game: Another good LB game from him, no real issue with his play.
So atm we have the Orianna game that was actually bad but he was heavily targeted by the enemy that game in every single fight. Especially since DL was Xayah and can just press R, it makes it even more normal that a team with Rumble, Qiyana and Sylas aims the Orianna with no escape.
His sixth and last game: Okay, he got solo killed. That lane was pretty damn competitive and Jensen even made Rookie have very little hp left in that lane at one point. But then Rookie just flash engages on a 50% hp LB and solo kills Jensen. I can't fault him much for that, Qiyana was just a really fucking strong pick and I don't get how that goes through. AHQ Qiyana even did great vs them, Damonte did as well. Seems strange to not understand they suck against it. That being said, after the FB I will say Jensen played the best out of the team. Yeah Rookie was great and snowballed that pick but Jensen was aggressive the entire game, wasn't scared. But I guess getting solo killed by a Qiyana just means you suck apparently.
So in conclusion to me he had 1 really bad Orianna game the rest I'd argue is just them as a team not being that good. His LB was clearly good, the Anivia wasn't his fault, they lost at a bad dragon call, his Akali wasn't the issue, Rookie snowballed early and got all the farm. He could have played the Akali better for sure but if TL as a team played it better, Akali can also do more. Just look at players like Bjergsen who wait for enemy to get low because of his team and then he goes in to clean. Jensen on the other hand tried to make his own moves like you saw in this clip where he tried to kill the jungler. He said he missed R which technically he did but the jungler flashed.
From my perspective:
- Against Damwon, bad calls were the issue. The strategy was good, the execution, however, not so much
- Against IG, good draft, you guys played well, but it's just their individual skill is better. No offense, but it's a good reminder. Nothing's wrong with your play, it's simply because they're better.
This year and this team and this org made me a Liquid fan
i love this team, sucks that they traded jake but with broxah, i guess having an even more vocal jungler can hopefully covered some of the calls double make. im not saying double make bad calls but when you watch some of the pro views, its really hard to win fights when the AD calling and the front line is not in the position to set up engage or flank. i know i sound like a reddit analyst but look at some of the bad teamfights: mid was pushed in top was pushed in, the only lane priority was bot.
Damn impact looking fresh
CN: 2 Koreans on team = Worlds Champion
NA: 2 Koreans on team = Group Stage
Pham Viet Na is too heavy
i liked seeing hbox in the intro montage
Man xmithie leaving.... Feels bad. Jake was literally SUCH a good jungler
What is that black sweatshirt Dlift is wearing? It looks like the bone white one that sold out.
I don’t know if I’m just a jaded NA fan but I’ll believe “lessons aren’t learned” when it happens and we get past groups or make a statement win.
TL did get unlucky iverall, but Jensen did int a little. However, this team is where its at!
Xmithie barons steal was killer!
What Tl showed domestically is that they can stomp anyone. Next split I want them to focus om their strategy and hero pool. Set the meta instead of having to react to it.
LET'S GO LIQUID!
The fact that they went Sion Anivia first game of day 3 kinda made me lose confidence. Cause why go chese strats if you're confident? This wasn't their playstyle so why even try it.
I was like where is Reapered and then realized I was watching Liquid.
It’s quite obvious the team needs a shot caller who isn’t DL. Jensen could be it but as is the problem if you got 2 opposing viewpoints the call is going to come from the louder person in this case DL.
I’ve never liked the idea of ADC shot callers. Wasn’t CoreJJ supposed to be the shot caller? When DL made the drake call Jensen wasn’t convinced and didn’t trust the call.
I thought my post-worlds na depression was over :(
Jensen at 24:00. He knows none of that shit matters.
3:09 really looks like some game CG
RIP xmithie you will be missed
LET'S GO LIQUID!!!!
28:55 what I wanted to hear this whooooole time. And did the coaches really think top and mid were good counter match ups in their last game??? Rookie is disgusting on that champ, y u think ppl banned it. TL needs better coaches, their players are doing great.
Thing is, A well played leblanc shuts down the Qiyana so hard pre 6 its not even funny, Hard outtrades, winning cs, zoning etc.. Jensen just played really bad and scared. That's the entire game gone, cause the mobi boots permaprio qiyana is just gonna steamroll the game. Their ENTIRE DRAFT revolves around Leblanc shutting down qiyana or atleast forcing qiyana behind on tempo which makes the champ useless.
liquid is never going to sack a 4 peat LCS winning coach.
The moment Steve sacks him, TSM locks him up and starts winning again
Rookie knows how to play the champ against all matchups. He's a world champion for a reason.
He doesn't pick it hoping they don't counter pick it. Then see they picked Leblanc, oh well GG, we've lost then.
TL: "Why are we always losing ?"
Also TL: "What usually plays the team we are playing against in a few hours ?"
Looking back at this roster and even the previous one, this team was so easy to just be passionate about. You had Cain and Dodo who you knew were just so intelligent about the game and you knew each player was just so damn good individually and that you were at least getting a good representation of NA and what the region has to offer every single tournament. Now I just feel like TL turned into a very middle of the road team that doesn't really know what it is. I will always love TL, but I'm just not sure they worth putting the time and passion into when they just continue to bench and get rid of their best players that made them what they are.
Impact always has a banana😂
I like the team and I think broxah will give you what u might have lacked this year to make it out. Good choice
I felt that they weren't feeling it and now it's just confirmed. Dw, it's okay to let your emotes out and can't stop. 2020 is just another road
I swear to god next year is the year
Not unless NA gets better TL won’t be good because the lcs is so weak to practice against all year
This video hurts
LETS GO LIQUID
Looking forward to a fresh roster. We need to be the team that Ovilee deserves
Hoping the roster stays for next season. Let's go Liquid!
NA is not a serious region. People do not take games as serious as the chinese or koreans. Theres a reason why they are so strict and disciplined. American players all are meming through games. Yeah they are good but they dont want to be the best. Also the unecessary hype doesnt help them either.
Honda's sponsoring ? It's time to VTEC , baby !
DL 4ever. 2020 comeback szn
We need more TL viewing party. It looks lit.
5:39 Peter, no... PETER YES
Never let doublelift shot call again.
I will continue to support Team Liquid in all they do, but constructive criticism is what is needed. DL said it right in the interviews hes had in which he states that "Nobody will ever feel as bad as the people playing the game" And that shit is real. My only hope is that they take this year in stride and finally realize that their strategies are great for NA, and absolutely dog shit for International. They lost half their games to pick/ban phase, not necessarily execution of game play. This paragraph is already too long so I'll just leave it at this. I believe in you, TL. Keep up the great work, here's to a better season next year. Kappa.
the end of the video and everyone's socials in description
so 2020 TL keeping the same roster confirmed?
HoneyReno from what I’ve been hearing I think they’re keeping the same roster
I hope so. One year of this much success but with a shit ending coming up short shouldnt be a reaspn to nuke the team
They’re keeping everyone besides xsmithe
@@nathan9394 no, their probably gonna have a sub for him
I think TF Blade (top laner) would get in the roaster this year
1:09 Zven in finals
Doublelift against Viktor
No matter what Blue horse for life
Jensen looked so dead the entire time, not sure if it was mental or physically tired, but it's tough to see.
Hang in there Liquid! I believe in you all :) LETS GO LIQUID!
If TL doesnt step it the fuck up next year, im selling my fucking Honda.
Here's the "we are gonna do better next time" video weve all been waiting for. Man feels like TL is turning into a Tsm now.
RIP Xmithie 2017 - 2019
Damn, I just realized DL got 3-3 and out of the group stage in all S6(TSM), S7(TSM), S8(TL), S9(TL). That is some real "bad luck". :'(
Who y'all buying from c9 this year?
Impact such a great player heartbroken to see him fail