I had an ep something back in the day. I brought it to the very famous Masters Golf tournament with an adapted Pentax 135 mm f2.8 lens which is very compact and gave me a 270 mm equivalent. At the entrance everyone who had any type of camera they felt could take a decent picture and make a noise from the gallery the camera was not allowed in. My little camera was overlooked and passed through and I ended up getting some great shots of Tiger Woods ,excellent quality ,no noise electronic shutter ,16 MP sharp as a tack shots.
I have an EPL7 and an EM10-II, purchased second-hand several years ago to replace my E420 DSLR.. Both cameras have the Myset feature which allowed four custom modes and which Olympus has dropped from all their cameras. The EPL7 allows use of an external microphone via the accessory port, again dropped from all cameras. I like them both. They have a solid metal feel without being heavy and the EPL7 is particularly easy to carry in one's pocket, especially when a pancake lens is fitted. I upgraded to an EM5-III and an EM1-II but still enjoy using the EPL7 and EM10-II with their tilt screens and ability to have four Myset custom modes on the mode dial.
I just started photography with an EM-10 MkII and I couldn't be happier. There is a learning curve that pushes you to get better but it is more like a gentle slope rather than climbing mount everest. I got 3 M.Zuiko lenses for it and they can cover almost every ground. The pancake 14-42 kit lens The 40-150 mm zoom lens The 45mm 1.8f prime lens Its so much fun to try to extract the best out of all of them. Thank you for your videos there are highly informative and friendly.
The OM10 II is the best of the OM10 series for street photography, very pleasant to use thanks to mysets and customizable functions, it also has a magnesium alloy body. I especially regret the absence of minimum speed which often forces you to choose speed priority. I only use my em5 III for landscapes, professional zooms and bad weather...
I have the EPL9 with the 17mm 1.8 lens & the original 17mm hot shoe finder & I find I am using this camera more & more. It is small & compact & the fact that I can zone focus makes it great for the street
I've taken the OMD Mark 10 all over the US, Mexico, and Canada and (I will be using it on my next trip to Europe) it's been great. I've used it for landscape, people, and animal photography. Love that it's lightweight and produces excellent quality. Used with DXO for photo processing and its top-notch quality. I use only Olympus lenses.
I have an E-M10-Mk4 as well as an E-M1Mk2. I highly recommend the E-M10-Mk4 as a camera for the beginner who wants to learn the technical basics of photography (the exposure triangle, use of specialized or manual lenses, etc). The controls necessary for such learning are far more accessible with an E-M10 than with any of the E-PL series, which can be quite clumsy to operate in any other than an automatic mode. And, for a budding hobbyist, the jump from an E-M10 upwards to an E-M1/5 or OM-1/5 will be easier because controls will be familiar. If one can live without a viewfinder but still want fuller control, I'd recommend the regular Olympus Pen lineup (E-P vs E-PL). I have a gorgeous silver/black E-P5 (which actually takes a clip-on viewfinder) which I take out if I want to look real cool with my gear. But beware: here in the USA it can difficult to find any E-P or E-PL camera, even on the used market, and the latest rumors are that the E-M10-Mk4 may be going out of production. Get yours now!
Ive been using the Mk4 for my first camera and just recently upgraded my lens to a 45mm 1.8 which is really nice. I think for it's price, it is a great little camera and I still have lots of fun with it.
I have the E-PL7 and E-M10 Marki iii. These were my first two Olympus cameras. I eventually bought an E-M5 Mark iii but still use the other cameras as a backup. I do use the accessory EVF on the E-PL7. It's too bad that is not an option on later Pen series cameras. I agree that image quality is more or less identical between the two series. I especially appreciate the compact size of the Pen and E-M10 series cameras.
The Olympus E-M10 Mark 2 was my entry-level camera into professional photography. All these rich features and creative possibilities wow. The Olympus E-M10 Mark 2 really had a lot of great features for its price. In order to understand this camera better, I then began to deal intensively with photography. But when at some point I had a lot of knowledge about photography, this camera was no longer enough for me and I got the Olympus E-M1 Mark 3 and was enthusiastic about it again.
From E-M10 Mark II to E-M1 Mark III, that is quite a big jump! Indeed for beginners or newcomers to photography, the E-M10 Mark II is more than sufficient!
I have the E-PL9 and I don't really like it. It is beautiful to look at, no doubt, but I find it obsolete as a camera. I used to like Pen cameras. But after Olympus started the OMD line, Pen cameras now seem too big to be cameras without EVFs. I much prefer the GM series from Panasonic. Now those are small and the GM5 even has an EVF (albeit a rather small one). The GM line is discontinued, but the company did sorta continue it through the GF line. I'm not sure why Olympus didn't follow a similar path of downsizing their Pen line. So, if given the same choice as Robin Wong presented in his video, I would go for the EM10 (I personally prefer the OM5 and OM1 though)
Thank you, Robin, for such an enthusiastic review of these two cameras. As a lifelong Canon user,, both film and digital, your enthusiasm got me thinking about the benefits of these cameras.
I had the E-PM1 and E-PM2, both with the (then available) plug-in EVFs, and I really liked them. Especially the E-PM2 was of good image quality, and the handling was fine (even though it had only one wheel on the back, but it worked fine to adjust settings on the fly). But the EVF was crucial for me, so today I would only go for the E-M10 series cameras, even though they are slightly larger (still quite small and lightweight). I own an E-M10II alongside my Pen F, and find it to be quite good for everyday use, even though the image quality can't compete with the Pen F.
Enjoyable video as always. You say, early on, that neither of these are designed for professional use. That's as may be, but I successfully use my EM10 mk3s professionally alongside my EM1, especially when I don't need the extra facilities, OR the extra weight of the EM1!
I guess, the "professional" design I was referring to was mostly on build quality, eg magnesium alloy body, weather-sealing, etc. But yes, for imaging capabilities, the E-M10 series, as I have mentioned in the video, is also very capable.
Very interesting video. So, I own the EPL-7, best I can afford. I started trying to break into the photographer scene late last year, and I have had a small amount of paid work from it. I was so worried about the limitations at first not having a viewfinder etc but I found the limitations extremely easy to get used to, and image quality has satisfied everyone who's paid me. I have invested anything I've been paid back into lenses because so far, only the lack of weather sealing has limited me. Obviously I'll replace when I can afford to I'm surprised that I'm not constantly being hit by limitations of the camera.
Love my EM10iv. It’s a camera that’s light and fits into my handbag with a small lens attached or the M.Zuiko Digital ED 14-150mm f4-f5.6 II attached. It’s the camera I use when I don’t want to think about settings etc, as I do with my EM1iii. Great for those moments when you don’t want to carry a heavier camera. I’m always amazed at what it does, how quickly it works and how it produces fabulous photos!
Great video, was very informative. I have the E-P7 what is somewhat placed slightly above the epl10 I guess It's my first camera with interchangeable lens and it's amazing fun to take pictures with it.
Hi Robin great video as usual. I have just added an EPL1 to my MFT camera collection. It was so inexpensive I couldn’t resist it. Yes it has its restrictions but it’s a super lightweight carry about. Your helpful video for checking shutter count has worked ….thanks again. Out of the EM10 range and EPL range I would tend to lean towards the EM range for the built in EVF.
@@Streetsupra88 hi, pleased to hear your happy with it. I have just uploaded the latest firmware update for the epl1 so that I can now use my VF3 viewfinder if required.
I've had my EP-L5 for 8-ish, or so, years, and I still love it. I wish my EP-L5 had more dials, and an optical view finder, but it still performs very well, after all these years. It was a good investment, in my opinion. I recently got a Lumix gx85 slightly used, and I still find myself grabbing the epl5 pretty often.
Great Review and I love your photos. I have an E-PL9 in Blue, an EM10 Mk 3 and an EM5 Mk 3. As far as I know, the main difference between the E-PL9 and the EM 10 Series ist the five Axis Stabilizier of the EM10 versus the three Axis Stabilizer of the E-PL9. Personally I agree with your asessment of the two. The E-PL 9 is small and easy to take with you anywhere with the 14-42 EZ Lens. The EM10 is good to handle with a slightly larger lens like the 12-45 Pro with great results. Any casual shooter looking for a camera to take along anywhere and not care about manual settings or constant adjustments should get an E-PL.
My first mirrorless camera was a PEN E-PL1. I loved the results but needed a viewfinder so got the hotshoe mounted EVF. Another frustration was the need to go into the menu system to change aperture when shooting in Aperture Priority. So I bought a used E-M10 mk 1. This became my main camera for about 4 years but I replaced it with a used E-M1 mk 2. I still used the E-M10 though and realised that I did not always need the full feature set and weatherproofing of the E-M1 and ended up adding a used E-M10 mk 3 to my collection to be my travel camera. 🤷 😁
I don't remember having to go into the menu to change the aperture though! In aperture priority, you should be able to adjust the F-number directly through the arrowpad!
@robinwong I just checked the manual, in Aperture Priority you change aperture by pressing the +/- button and then use the up/down part of the 4 way pad to change aperture. Hence, I prefer a dial on the E-M10 😄
Both are excellent, way better than good enough for me, an amateur. It comes down to the user interface, buttonology, etc. I've got a Lumix G5 on the way as a sort of test bed, and if M4/3 floats my boat, this is the exact choice I might be facing. After viewing this video, I'm leaning E-M10.
So curious for the future OM System cameras. And I'd say EPL series, but the charm and ergonomics of the EM10 with it's built-in evf is really fun to use, I loved mine!
If for a similar price, I'd always go for a camera with EVF. It's much more versatile for any kind of conditions. Not only in harsh lighting but also in low light because you can support the camera by holding it to your eye. As a result, much less prone to shake on longer exposures. 🙂
I still use an EPL1 regularly. I've always gotten good shots with it and the Lumix 12-32mm. Even the kits lenses are good enough for most situations. I really prefer the older first gen 12MP sensors a lot over the later gen options. I don't know what it is, but it's just right imo.
I have the E-M10 Mk4 and I got infected with the shutter bug and picked up a used professional E-M1 Classic just to learn and understand the more advanced features. Obviously, it's not letting go and I am just shooting more and more while practicing/learning about photography. I think the latest and greatest E-M10 will get you going because it is so easy to handle and carry around. Because of that, you start to appreciate the benefits it brings, when you up size to a pro level micro four thirds camera or the larger formats, APS-C, full frame, etc. I think for the pricing it's not worth getting new and instead just hold out for the E-M5 instead, or pick one up used that is several hundred dollars cheaper than new retail.
There are certain features that older E-M5 cameras may lack, for example the first E-M5 does not have live composite, or the E-M5 Mark II does not have 4K recording, like the newer E-M10 Mark III, so it all comes down to what you need. I personally use E-M5 Mark III, I love the video features.
I have the EM10 mk2, and recently upgraded to the EM5 mk3. I take the 10 with me on vacations as a backup body because the two models use the same battery. Compatibility is a good thing. I did power up the EM10 recently while trying to remotely help someone else with hers and realized I have been spoiled by the additional quick access buttons on the EM5.
Picked up a used Pen Ep5 a couple weeks ago. Like the camera but now question if I should have gone with E-M10 ii instead. Haven’t had time to really get out with the pen and will do so the next couple of days
I have em10II and the small epm2. Both great cameras with beautiful image quality. I don't use them professionally but when a friend want a photographer for her wedding i use both of them with very good results.
Hey Robin i use the em10 iv with the 17mm F1.8 and the 12-40mm F2.8 and i love the compact size of my Kit for all situations (streetphotographie, concert, art an portraits). Before this i used fuji x100f and the xm1. Your content make me switch to Olympus and M43. I love the smart price and the ibis. Thanks for that. And... lets do more photographie therapy! 😉👍🏻📷
Great analysis of the strengths and limitations of EPL and EM10. I owned first the EPL1 then upgraded to EM10II before finally moving on to EM1III. They grew with me as I grew in my photographic journey. So I agree fully with Robin; if you like to travel light and don't care too much about fiddling with dials, go for the EPL. If you're transitioning from a DSLR, go with the EM10.
Hi Robin, thanks for finding time to keep us entertained on youtube. I've had a selection of E-PL cams at different times and have some super photos from them, I still have an evf for them so who know in the future. However, I do prefer the handling of my E-M10ii and E-M5 and find the viewfinder essential down here in Australia. Thanks again for posting.
I love that you’re giving these cameras some love on you channel! I purchased the EPL9 in the limited denim blue edition and after a while didn’t use it much and sold it. I regretted selling it and missed it so much that I re-bought the camera in the tan colour. I use the em5iii for more serious photography but the epl is a lot of fun for everyday photography
Both great cameras. I have the EPL8 and the EM10 Mk ii and use the EM10 most, mainly as it handles better and has the EVF. However for just slipping in a pocket with a 17mm f1.8 on it the EPL8 is a great carry around camera.
Hi, Robert! For Professional Jobs (Portraits, Events) & Landscape (including Long Exposure), I count on my Lumix G9 & Weather Proof Lens set as my workhorse. However, on the Street Photography, I upgraded from the Lumix GF3 (still own it) to the E-PL8, always carrying the VF-3 for helping me out on quite bright situations as well as to allow me a fast composition. I'm really satisfied with this cameras. See ya, blue skies 🤙🏻🍀📸
Many people talking about the EPL9 but anyone should consider buying the EPL10 which is the firmware upgrade for the EPL9 which at this level unfortunately requires purchasing a new camera; the cheap kit gets little support after release so can be a dubious economy. The rollout of electronic shutter in all modes was a welcome addition in the 10 and the review industry who are little interested in affordable kit missed out on this on the whole and thought the 9 & 10 cameras were the same. Most blog reviews nowadays are about how good the camera is for blogging so Robin Wong is that rare breed an actual photographer. I would think either get the EPL8 for its full menus or the EPL10 for the electronic shutter and there is little point now with the EPL9 which was from Olympus imaging in its death throes telling everyone they were there for the duration whilst negotiating their exit.
I have both the E-M10 II and E-PL7.. the E-M10 is so much more advanced and i prefer it in every way, except you can turn on the E-PL7 and take photos entirely one handed
I still use EM10 MK2 with additional genuine grip (for me it’s must have) with prime lenses 12/25/45. However I am thinking to get just one prime 20mm f1.4 plus 12-45 f4 zoom.
thanks for doing this video, man :) - even with a used entry-level camera you get better results than with any smartphone :) and real cameras are a fun to use!
I've used the E-PL8 and E-PL10 for street and like Robin says they take great images (and people often comment about how nice my camera looks -- hey, I don't mind that!). It's pretty easy to use a 1-dial camera even for manual shooting if you get used to it. However, ISO is a problem on the E-PL10 as it's not on the list of features you can assign to a button. My theory is that's an Olympus mistake; I think they copied the software directly from the E-M10, where it doesn't matter because the E-M10 has a dedicated ISO button. I think they forgot that the Pen doesn't. So on the E-PL10 you have to use the SCP to change ISO -- a minor pain.
@@robinwong Alas no. On my E-PL8 you can assign features to 2 arrowpad buttons but they took those away from the E-PL10. However you can change ISO using the "Live Control," which I liked better than the SCP as you can see the exposure changes occur.
@@mattwaller8959 that’s one of the reasons I sold on my EPL9 and kept the EPL8 as the manual set ups were better. I still have my EM10 mkii but now favour my EM5 mkiii.
I love my E-M10 MK111s ….it has enough megapixels for my ‘everyday’ work and the silent shutter across the board is a big bonus when out in the street….if I want higher quality then my E-M5 mk111 is a great camera…..who needs a Leica?…😂❤🎉😊
I use the EPM-2 frequently, similar to EPL-5. The EPL series DOES accept accessory eye level viewfinders if you really need one. I usually don't, wouldn't want to be stuck with one permanently as it is on the OMD series necessarily.
Having both the EPL10 and EM5 MIII, I often take the EPL10 when I don't need the viewfinder (EVF). So I use it with any lens with less reach than m43's 100mm. I find it handles portraits as good as the lens you put on it, so fine for weddings if you take a m43, fine for street, and fine for every day carry in the bag. It's mostly why I have it, without the viewfinder on top it just slips into my daily carry satchel bag. I also like the flippy screen simply flipping up when I need to kneel down for a lower shot, it's not as useful all round as the Em5 MIII's flippy screen, but for most shooting it is quicker. Also, 16 vs 20mp is just about negligible in real world. It might give a small advantage if cropping in a lot, but even then, very minor, I also noticed the 16mp sensor is very slightly, I mean very slightly, better in low light (per pixel) performance, but as you have less pixels it's the same performance in low light as the 20mp sensors.
I'd argue that the 20MP image sensor in E-M5 Mark III has about one stop or more advantage when it comes to high ISO and dynamic range. It is quite evident when recovering shadows and highlight! The pixel count is negligible, but overall image quality, it is quite a step up!!
@@robinwong True, as a separate issue from noise to noise comparison at a given exposure, there is a little more dynamic range in the Em5 miii over the EPL10, which may come up as small factor for some final images, depending on how it was exposed and what was wanted. But it requires a scene with strong light, and blacks dark enough to crush/clip via dynamic range, which let's face it, if it's that important, a new bigger full frame sensor might be more important for the shooter compared to the small difference between these 2 cameras :)
The E-P7 is an option too. It is basically the same as the E-M10 IV but without the EVF. You get two dials and the 20mpx sensor. For a new purchase, I don't think I could consider the E-PL series. The E-P7 is better. But price-wise the E-M10 IV is usually cheaper, that is funny but there you go! 🙂
Great video Robin! I agree that both cameras are great! Well, I use both types of cameras. In studios I use omd and for street and nature photography I use Pen camera. For quiet commercial studio shooting, you can safely use om-d m-10IV and there will be no problems with image quality.
I like the EM series as it feels like your holding an SLR and it has a viewfinder, while the ep series has the range finder feel minus a viewfinder which I am not a fan of.
The last great Pen cameras were the EP5 and Pen F. Even the EP7 was a step down from the EP5 in so many critical areas, most noticeably the inferior shutter on the EP7. For someone looking for a solid entry level Olympus body - get the original E-M1 (Mark 1). It sells used at a steal and has the same 16MP sensor as most E-M5, Pens and E-M10.
Excellent video, thank you for making this comparison. I have an EPL9 and it feels like it is a seriously underrated camera, at least I don't see that many reviews of it on YT. Was always wondering what's the difference between those 2 models. I guess I'm going to stick with epl9 and maybe consider the EM10 IV when I get some extra money. For sure it's nice to have that extra dial, VF and a bit more pixels (actually 50% more) but EPL9 is already enought for me. Thanks again!
I had omd em10 mark II and has upgraded to em5 markIII recently. Despite my upgrade, I still think em10 markII is an excellent camera. I have never use EPL-1. I am curious to know with one one dial, how can you adjust exposure compensation and other function eg aperture, shutter speed at the same time ?
Yeah I prefer having two control dials for quick adjustments on the fly. With single dial, you need to press another button t activate a different setting.
You appear to be holding an E-PL7. That and its facelift the E-PL8 are the last of the E-PL to have the AP2 port which will take the VF4 EVF. After that the E-PL became dumbed-down. Both series need to have the metal bodies for that added bling, OMDS going to all plastic bodies is a bad move, they need to maintain a premium feel.
I guess, the issue here is Olympus not selling enough VF-3/4, and too small percentage of PEN users bought the external viewfinder, it became a business decision to take the port out.
7:44 Were the last two image sample segments maybe flipped? You talked about the E-PL10 first but then showed photos from the E-M10, and for the E-M10 you showed images from the E-PL after Regardless I have to say after watching many videos on m4/3 (especially yours) I decided to pick up a used GF1 to play around with and might get an E-M10 at some point (although I still have and will keep my FF cameras for everything else) but the m4/3 I feel has sort of re-energeized my love of photography since they are considerably smaller than my FF cameras, which have their advantages, but if I want a simple camera that's very compact and light that I can just grab and go, the m4/3 system has a lot of options, and the compatct (EVF-Less) cameras like the PL series are great for that (as are the ones with the EVF as well). But my point is they are compact, light, and make photography (especially things like street and travel) more enjoyable. Not that I don't like my FF cameras, as I love them, but not for everything (particularly when I want to travel light and have a compact/minimal setup). This is why I think adopting and possibly having different formats is beneficial. It lets you choose the camera system or format this is suitable for the needs at the time, and not be blindsided into "FF is the best out there. Period" or m4/3 is the way to go. It does depend, but being open to different systems and sensor formats and breaking your bias towards one brand or format will help you enjoy photography more -- as they say: the right tool for the job. Sometimes that's FF, sometimes it's not. I am probably more l ikely to use a m4/3 system for street photography for example than my FF cameras, because of their size and weight -- they are less intimidating to people (a FF camera looks like a professional camera, and the smaller cameras and systems tend to come across as more touristy, so you might be able to get away with more with a smaller "hobbyist" looking camera.
The PEN F2 would be a challenger camera to the x100v or XE4 Fujifilm camera, but unless they put an advanced sensor inside, I will contend that the Lumix GX-9 is the PEN F2. What a great street shooter it is -- I know, I own one. 🤓 I do have the PL-8 and OMD EM 10 mkII which are fine as well. One problem with trying to sell any camera these days is that the current cameras, of the latest seven years, or so, are simply wonderful in rendering. Gone are the early years of leaps and bounds is sensor technology, and other advancements, such as autofocus. I still think Canon needs to bring back the Canonet rangefinder style, with the new sensor of the R10 = great! MFT and IBIS is all fine and dandy, but is there a future? All I know, at this moment in time MFT cameras and my Canon RP full-frame make me happy. This is all which matters. Is it producing as expected. I have never used a Ricoh GR camera, but it sounds interesting. The small batteries -- not many shots. This is or can be an issue on my GX-9, so I need to take an extra battery along, if the shoot is longer than an hour or so. Take care, and happy photography, Loren
I find I use the back screen more then the viewfinder, but I take most if my images in vertical, so without a flippy screen it gets annoying. I wish OMD to come out with a XT3/5 type of screen on the EPL, it at leas a flippy one.
A bit older EPLs like EPL-5/6/7 can use attached EVF which moves them towards EM10 line, but you can always remove it and have tiny camera. I really do not understand why they decided to remove that EVF/flash port. The only thing I dont like on my EPL-6 is that it only has one roller around OK key. If only that camera had rollers in front and back like PEN E-P5, it will be so much better. Even small XZ-2 or Stylus1s have at least that rotating ring around lens that works as 2nd roller. And even the latest EP-7 does not have EVF port and two classic rollers like EP-5 whic I consider as significant downgrade.
slap a prime on these cameras and they are pocketable, shooting while not looking like a tourist perfect for street photography........also there are feature included in these camera that are advance which current highend cameras still dont have like live exposure, live comp. wifi for remote shooting to name a few.
Hi Robin! As a GM1 owner, why would you leave home with the E-PL series for street/travel/edc? I struggle with E-PL series 'cause they're kinda heavy. The reason is that E-PL series does have a big advantage over Panasonic compact models, like GF7/8/9/10 (GX800/850/880) and GM1/5: In-Body Stabilization. So E-PL wins for better low-light performance- when using non-stabilized Olympus (most) lenses, non-stabilized Panasonic lenses (very few), or manual lenses. But....E-PL weigh almost 100g more, and that adds up! What makes you leave home with the E-PL instead?
GM1 is quite poor when it comes to handling. Also, not having image stabilization, tilt screen, and the buttons being too cramped together, makes the E-PL series camera more fun and efficient to use. I like the GM1 for what it is - pushing boundaries of making cameras really small. But for practical reasons, E-PL series wins.
@@robinwong Right, makes sense. Practical reasons. For me, those same practical reasons mean I go Panasonic just for the menu system alone. Love me that phase-detect AF on EM5.3, but...Olympus operation just beats me, and I miss the shot opportunity. Respect that you got it figured out.
Hi Robin. I enjoy your videos. Thanks for making them. I do a ton of street photography and use an old E-PL3 and E-PM1 cameras. It is finally time to upgrade! My question is can the E-PL10 use the VF3 finder? I am on a fixed income so I do not have a big budget. Would an E-PL5 be capable of using the VF3? Thanks in advance for your answers. I am debating whether to purchase a new camera, r continue using a used one. What are your thoughts?
Gracias por tus vídeos Robin, me encantan las explicaciones y el contenido de ellos, y la perspectiva que les das. Quería preguntarte soy usuario de E-pm2, uso normalmente 25mm Yongnuo y 45mm olympus con muy buenos resultados para mis fotografías no profesionales. Estoy interesado en cambiar a modelo epl9 o epl10, crees que hay una gran diferencia entre estos modelos y mi actual epm2, siendo fotografías de aficionados?? Merece la pena el cambio?? Muchas gracias!!!
You saying no need water sealing if shooting for fun. I shooting for fun, just a hobby for me, but do find water sealing is very important because I don't want to worry about rain when shooting. It does rain often in Asia and it is a lot to photo when raining actually. So next time I buy a camera I will buy one with water sealing. Then my OM-10 mark 3 can't have manual ISO setting while recording. That is a big miss for me. I do prefer take pictures but when I do recording I found often I wish could have manual ISO setting.
Well, because normal people don't shoot in the rain. If you need weather-sealing then E-M5 series or E-M1 series would be more suited for you. Buy the gear that does the job!
I fume about the name "entry level." What does it even mean? Imagine being a wedding photographer with a 16MP camera 20 years ago - you'd blow the competition out of the water! It is akin to saying the camera is crap but okay for snapshots!
Yeah, it kind of does give off a bit of a "consumer garbage" vibe, but at its core it's a neutral term, and doesn't matter I guess, although you're right, it can be downright misleading just because of the associations tied to that term. I'll happily continue to use my "entry level" cameras that take fantastic photos, with all the controls I'll reasonably need :D
Hi Robin I have a pl5 and I love it. The only thing is the exposure compensation keeps changing by accident. How do you lock it so it won’t change by mistake
Your videos are great. I am a Canon shutter that wants to buy Olympus E-M1 Mark II as a photo/video camera. I have an issue with the video limit, but I was told of a hack that can open up the camera for unlimited video recording time. What is your opinion about it? have you tried it?
I just hear that they OM system killed the em10 series, don’t quote me on it though. And they will bring in the x series so the om1 and om5 would move down the rung, with om1 replacing the erstwhile om5 and X series would be the new top end.
I have the EM10 mkii and the EPL8. I did buy a EPL9 but sold it on as it was very much paired down with regard to manual settings. It was however ideal for a new user to MFT. The advantage of the EPL8 is that it can be fitted with an EVF. As far as portability the EPL is better but I find that I am always taking a bag with me so either fits in without an issue. Ideal lenses for either …Lumix 12-32 kit lens and the Lumix 35-100 f4-f5.6 as they make a super lightweight combo. Thank you Robin for continuing your informative vids.
Robin, today 2023 most manufactured such as Canon, Sony, Nikon, Fuji and Panasonic does not have many cameras in this price ranges. Nikon has 3 cameras with the same hardware but different bodies, Fuji has only X-T30 in the price range. Panasonic cameras in this price rang such as GX800, GX80, GX9 and G90 has not been updated form more then 4 or 5 years. Only Canon has introduced 2 new cameras with new sensors and processors in this pricepoints. The canon R50 and R10 are new. It seems to me that when in this pricepoint no manafactured does not care mean that at this pricepoint there is no provitability. Lets be honest, smaller and smaller, only to be smaller having a lot of compromise seem te be loosing to the smartphones. This cameras has been created around 2010 and 2014 where smartphone has begun. Right now the best camers is what you have with you and this is your smartphone. Panasonics GX800 , GX80 and GX9 series has not been updated in 6 years. Conclusion, this small cameras are not profitable anymore, too small a market. Let talk about the market from a manufacturer view. The amount of cameras sold a year is around 5 million, which Canon own 40%, then Sony 20% and Nikon around 17%. So 77% of the market is owned by 3 companies. Fuji dominates the street photography market. What market Panasonic and OM are aiming now and how many bodies can be sold? Is this amount profitable? Does customer wants to trade their smartphone for one of this dedicated cameras. that they use ones a while?
GX800/80/9 are still an excellent cameras, much better than smartphones. But yes, this market segment is really dying because most consumers are happy enough with smartphone image quality.
And yet their biggest sellers are the smaller cameras. And I for one can attest that even my old E-PL7 or Lumix G7 (which is still a current camera) will out perform any smartphone.
Streamlining and having less product series would probably be a good strategy. It is no secret that Olympus earned more selling an E-M1 than 3 E-M10 cameras. So, pushing the higher end cameras make sense. I believe there is room for lower, entry level camera such as E-M10. It may not seem important, but it can serve as an entry point for those who may not want to go all in just yet. Expecting a complete beginner to purchase OM-5 or OM-1, that is a lot of commitment, and for lower income countries like Malaysia, it may take one year for basic salaryman to save up enough money just to buy the OM-1.
@@robinwong Robin. I agree with you that all manufacturiers need to have an entry level camera below the €1000 price point for beginners. Right now all of them have it but for many it is not their main concern. Panasonic is the one that has not updated their models, suchas as GX800, GX80, GX9 and G95, in more then 5 years. But i think this is their strategy to streamline their products. Regarding OM Systems, it seems they are focussing heavy on the Japanese and West European market then low income countries such as South America, Middle East and South Asian markets. Here in Europe the are promoting the OM-5 and OM-1 heavily and also lowered the price of old bodies such as EM1X, EM5 Mark III. They also have lot of offers to buy a camera and get a lens free.
@@jeffslade1892 They can outperform smartphones, but the majority of consumers doesn’t care. If you see the top 10 of most sold cameras at Yodobashi, a japanese retailer, you see that Nikon Z9, priced at 6000 USD, is outselling most entry level cameras. This point clearly that consumers doesn’t see a lot of value in those small and entry level cameras.
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I had an ep something back in the day. I brought it to the very famous Masters Golf tournament with an adapted Pentax 135 mm f2.8 lens which is very compact and gave me a 270 mm equivalent. At the entrance everyone who had any type of camera they felt could take a decent picture and make a noise from the gallery the camera was not allowed in. My little camera was overlooked and passed through and I ended up getting some great shots of Tiger Woods ,excellent quality ,no noise electronic shutter ,16 MP sharp as a tack shots.
I have an EPL7 and an EM10-II, purchased second-hand several years ago to replace my E420 DSLR.. Both cameras have the Myset feature which allowed four custom modes and which Olympus has dropped from all their cameras. The EPL7 allows use of an external microphone via the accessory port, again dropped from all cameras. I like them both. They have a solid metal feel without being heavy and the EPL7 is particularly easy to carry in one's pocket, especially when a pancake lens is fitted. I upgraded to an EM5-III and an EM1-II but still enjoy using the EPL7 and EM10-II with their tilt screens and ability to have four Myset custom modes on the mode dial.
Yeah I wish Olympus kept the accessory port on newer E-PL bodies, as well as the myset modes on the mode dial!
I just started photography with an EM-10 MkII and I couldn't be happier. There is a learning curve that pushes you to get better but it is more like a gentle slope rather than climbing mount everest.
I got 3 M.Zuiko lenses for it and they can cover almost every ground.
The pancake 14-42 kit lens
The 40-150 mm zoom lens
The 45mm 1.8f prime lens
Its so much fun to try to extract the best out of all of them.
Thank you for your videos there are highly informative and friendly.
The OM10 II is the best of the OM10 series for street photography, very pleasant to use thanks to mysets and customizable functions, it also has a magnesium alloy body. I especially regret the absence of minimum speed which often forces you to choose speed priority. I only use my em5 III for landscapes, professional zooms and bad weather...
I have the EPL9 with the 17mm 1.8 lens & the original 17mm hot shoe finder & I find I am using this camera more & more. It is small & compact & the fact that I can zone focus makes it great for the street
I also love mine, the faux denim blue one 💙
Love my EPL-9 too, use it professionally as my B-cam.
The 17mm lenses are awesome!
How is that viewfinder called?
@@theothertonydutch Olympus Optical Viewfinder VF-1
I've taken the OMD Mark 10 all over the US, Mexico, and Canada and (I will be using it on my next trip to Europe) it's been great. I've used it for landscape, people, and animal photography. Love that it's lightweight and produces excellent quality. Used with DXO for photo processing and its top-notch quality. I use only Olympus lenses.
I have an E-M10-Mk4 as well as an E-M1Mk2. I highly recommend the E-M10-Mk4 as a camera for the beginner who wants to learn the technical basics of photography (the exposure triangle, use of specialized or manual lenses, etc). The controls necessary for such learning are far more accessible with an E-M10 than with any of the E-PL series, which can be quite clumsy to operate in any other than an automatic mode. And, for a budding hobbyist, the jump from an E-M10 upwards to an E-M1/5 or OM-1/5 will be easier because controls will be familiar. If one can live without a viewfinder but still want fuller control, I'd recommend the regular Olympus Pen lineup (E-P vs E-PL). I have a gorgeous silver/black E-P5 (which actually takes a clip-on viewfinder) which I take out if I want to look real cool with my gear. But beware: here in the USA it can difficult to find any E-P or E-PL camera, even on the used market, and the latest rumors are that the E-M10-Mk4 may be going out of production. Get yours now!
Ive been using the Mk4 for my first camera and just recently upgraded my lens to a 45mm 1.8 which is really nice. I think for it's price, it is a great little camera and I still have lots of fun with it.
I have the E-PL7 and E-M10 Marki iii. These were my first two Olympus cameras. I eventually bought an E-M5 Mark iii but still use the other cameras as a backup. I do use the accessory EVF on the E-PL7. It's too bad that is not an option on later Pen series cameras. I agree that image quality is more or less identical between the two series. I especially appreciate the compact size of the Pen and E-M10 series cameras.
The Olympus E-M10 Mark 2 was my entry-level camera into professional photography. All these rich features and creative possibilities wow. The Olympus E-M10 Mark 2 really had a lot of great features for its price. In order to understand this camera better, I then began to deal intensively with photography. But when at some point I had a lot of knowledge about photography, this camera was no longer enough for me and I got the Olympus E-M1 Mark 3 and was enthusiastic about it again.
From E-M10 Mark II to E-M1 Mark III, that is quite a big jump! Indeed for beginners or newcomers to photography, the E-M10 Mark II is more than sufficient!
I have the E-PL9 and I don't really like it. It is beautiful to look at, no doubt, but I find it obsolete as a camera.
I used to like Pen cameras. But after Olympus started the OMD line, Pen cameras now seem too big to be cameras without EVFs. I much prefer the GM series from Panasonic. Now those are small and the GM5 even has an EVF (albeit a rather small one). The GM line is discontinued, but the company did sorta continue it through the GF line. I'm not sure why Olympus didn't follow a similar path of downsizing their Pen line.
So, if given the same choice as Robin Wong presented in his video, I would go for the EM10 (I personally prefer the OM5 and OM1 though)
Thank you, Robin, for such an enthusiastic review of these two cameras. As a lifelong Canon user,, both film and digital, your enthusiasm got me thinking about the benefits of these cameras.
I had the E-PM1 and E-PM2, both with the (then available) plug-in EVFs, and I really liked them. Especially the E-PM2 was of good image quality, and the handling was fine (even though it had only one wheel on the back, but it worked fine to adjust settings on the fly). But the EVF was crucial for me, so today I would only go for the E-M10 series cameras, even though they are slightly larger (still quite small and lightweight). I own an E-M10II alongside my Pen F, and find it to be quite good for everyday use, even though the image quality can't compete with the Pen F.
Enjoyable video as always. You say, early on, that neither of these are designed for professional use. That's as may be, but I successfully use my EM10 mk3s professionally alongside my EM1, especially when I don't need the extra facilities, OR the extra weight of the EM1!
I guess, the "professional" design I was referring to was mostly on build quality, eg magnesium alloy body, weather-sealing, etc. But yes, for imaging capabilities, the E-M10 series, as I have mentioned in the video, is also very capable.
Very interesting video. So, I own the EPL-7, best I can afford. I started trying to break into the photographer scene late last year, and I have had a small amount of paid work from it. I was so worried about the limitations at first not having a viewfinder etc but I found the limitations extremely easy to get used to, and image quality has satisfied everyone who's paid me. I have invested anything I've been paid back into lenses because so far, only the lack of weather sealing has limited me. Obviously I'll replace when I can afford to I'm surprised that I'm not constantly being hit by limitations of the camera.
The E-PL7 is a very capable camera! Investing in lenses is a good call, lenses allow you to do more!
Love my EM10iv. It’s a camera that’s light and fits into my handbag with a small lens attached or the M.Zuiko Digital ED 14-150mm f4-f5.6 II attached. It’s the camera I use when I don’t want to think about settings etc, as I do with my EM1iii. Great for those moments when you don’t want to carry a heavier camera. I’m always amazed at what it does, how quickly it works and how it produces fabulous photos!
Thanks Trish for sharing your thoughts. Indeed E-M10 series cameras are underrated and deserves a bit more attention.
Great video, was very informative.
I have the E-P7 what is somewhat placed slightly above the epl10 I guess
It's my first camera with interchangeable lens and it's amazing fun to take pictures with it.
Epl8 is often my everyday cam. With external evf. Great little cam.
Hi Robin great video as usual. I have just added an EPL1 to my MFT camera collection. It was so inexpensive I couldn’t resist it. Yes it has its restrictions but it’s a super lightweight carry about. Your helpful video for checking shutter count has worked ….thanks again. Out of the EM10 range and EPL range I would tend to lean towards the EM range for the built in EVF.
I picked one up back in Dec as my first M43, and I absolutely love it. Typically carry my E-PL1 everywhere
@@Streetsupra88 hi, pleased to hear your happy with it. I have just uploaded the latest firmware update for the epl1 so that I can now use my VF3 viewfinder if required.
I've had my EP-L5 for 8-ish, or so, years, and I still love it. I wish my EP-L5 had more dials, and an optical view finder, but it still performs very well, after all these years. It was a good investment, in my opinion. I recently got a Lumix gx85 slightly used, and I still find myself grabbing the epl5 pretty often.
Despite its age, the E-PL5 is still such a great camera!
Great Review and I love your photos. I have an E-PL9 in Blue, an EM10 Mk 3 and an EM5 Mk 3. As far as I know, the main difference between the E-PL9 and the EM 10 Series ist the five Axis Stabilizier of the EM10 versus the three Axis Stabilizer of the E-PL9.
Personally I agree with your asessment of the two. The E-PL 9 is small and easy to take with you anywhere with the 14-42 EZ Lens. The EM10 is good to handle with a slightly larger lens like the 12-45 Pro with great results. Any casual shooter looking for a camera to take along anywhere and not care about manual settings or constant adjustments should get an E-PL.
I sold my m10 for gx80 and now im back to olympus with epl7 model as it is exactly the same as m10 but smaller moee compact
My first mirrorless camera was a PEN E-PL1. I loved the results but needed a viewfinder so got the hotshoe mounted EVF. Another frustration was the need to go into the menu system to change aperture when shooting in Aperture Priority. So I bought a used E-M10 mk 1. This became my main camera for about 4 years but I replaced it with a used E-M1 mk 2. I still used the E-M10 though and realised that I did not always need the full feature set and weatherproofing of the E-M1 and ended up adding a used E-M10 mk 3 to my collection to be my travel camera. 🤷 😁
I don't remember having to go into the menu to change the aperture though! In aperture priority, you should be able to adjust the F-number directly through the arrowpad!
@@robinwong Possibly a memory fail on my part? Swapping to an E-M10 was still the right choice 😁
@robinwong I just checked the manual, in Aperture Priority you change aperture by pressing the +/- button and then use the up/down part of the 4 way pad to change aperture. Hence, I prefer a dial on the E-M10 😄
Both are excellent, way better than good enough for me, an amateur. It comes down to the user interface, buttonology, etc. I've got a Lumix G5 on the way as a sort of test bed, and if M4/3 floats my boat, this is the exact choice I might be facing. After viewing this video, I'm leaning E-M10.
So curious for the future OM System cameras. And I'd say EPL series, but the charm and ergonomics of the EM10 with it's built-in evf is really fun to use, I loved mine!
If for a similar price, I'd always go for a camera with EVF. It's much more versatile for any kind of conditions. Not only in harsh lighting but also in low light because you can support the camera by holding it to your eye. As a result, much less prone to shake on longer exposures. 🙂
They are not at similar price, the E-PL will always be about 30% cheaper here.
I still use an EPL1 regularly. I've always gotten good shots with it and the Lumix 12-32mm. Even the kits lenses are good enough for most situations. I really prefer the older first gen 12MP sensors a lot over the later gen options. I don't know what it is, but it's just right imo.
I have the E-M10 Mk4 and I got infected with the shutter bug and picked up a used professional E-M1 Classic just to learn and understand the more advanced features. Obviously, it's not letting go and I am just shooting more and more while practicing/learning about photography. I think the latest and greatest E-M10 will get you going because it is so easy to handle and carry around. Because of that, you start to appreciate the benefits it brings, when you up size to a pro level micro four thirds camera or the larger formats, APS-C, full frame, etc. I think for the pricing it's not worth getting new and instead just hold out for the E-M5 instead, or pick one up used that is several hundred dollars cheaper than new retail.
There are certain features that older E-M5 cameras may lack, for example the first E-M5 does not have live composite, or the E-M5 Mark II does not have 4K recording, like the newer E-M10 Mark III, so it all comes down to what you need. I personally use E-M5 Mark III, I love the video features.
I have the EM10 mk2, and recently upgraded to the EM5 mk3. I take the 10 with me on vacations as a backup body because the two models use the same battery. Compatibility is a good thing. I did power up the EM10 recently while trying to remotely help someone else with hers and realized I have been spoiled by the additional quick access buttons on the EM5.
Yeah the extra shortcuts and buttons do make a difference!
Picked up a used Pen Ep5 a couple weeks ago. Like the camera but now question if I should have gone with E-M10 ii instead. Haven’t had time to really get out with the pen and will do so the next couple of days
I have em10II and the small epm2. Both great cameras with beautiful image quality. I don't use them professionally but when a friend want a photographer for her wedding i use both of them with very good results.
Yeah, both these cameras are fantastic and can produce excellent results!
My camera trip was: e-pl5, e-m10 ii, om-1. Each time a massive upgrade. Oh, I forgot - it all started with the XZ-1. I'm still sad I sold it.
XZ-1 is such a fantastic camera!
Hey Robin i use the em10 iv with the 17mm F1.8 and the 12-40mm F2.8 and i love the compact size of my Kit for all situations (streetphotographie, concert, art an portraits). Before this i used fuji x100f and the xm1. Your content make me switch to Olympus and M43. I love the smart price and the ibis. Thanks for that. And... lets do more photographie therapy! 😉👍🏻📷
Great analysis of the strengths and limitations of EPL and EM10. I owned first the EPL1 then upgraded to EM10II before finally moving on to EM1III. They grew with me as I grew in my photographic journey. So I agree fully with Robin; if you like to travel light and don't care too much about fiddling with dials, go for the EPL. If you're transitioning from a DSLR, go with the EM10.
Thanks for sharing your experience, indeed, the casual use is best suited for E-PL series, and for anything more serious, an OM-D is better!
Hi Robin, thanks for finding time to keep us entertained on youtube. I've had a selection of E-PL cams at different times and have some super photos from them, I still have an evf for them so who know in the future. However, I do prefer the handling of my E-M10ii and E-M5 and find the viewfinder essential down here in Australia. Thanks again for posting.
Thanks Trevor, and oh yes, I remember the Australian sun with clear blue skies! Having EVF definitely helps.
I couldn't find the M10 II anywhere, but a PL7 really packs a punch!
I love that you’re giving these cameras some love on you channel! I purchased the EPL9 in the limited denim blue edition and after a while didn’t use it much and sold it. I regretted selling it and missed it so much that I re-bought the camera in the tan colour. I use the em5iii for more serious photography but the epl is a lot of fun for everyday photography
Yeah for casual, non serious environment the E-PL series cameras are just so so fun to use, and they are really capable too!
Both great cameras. I have the EPL8 and the EM10 Mk ii and use the EM10 most, mainly as it handles better and has the EVF. However for just slipping in a pocket with a 17mm f1.8 on it the EPL8 is a great carry around camera.
Yeah I use the EVF a lot too! Gotta admit for being compact the E-PL is a great camera
Hi, Robert!
For Professional Jobs (Portraits, Events) & Landscape (including Long Exposure), I count on my Lumix G9 & Weather Proof Lens set as my workhorse.
However, on the Street Photography, I upgraded from the Lumix GF3 (still own it) to the E-PL8, always carrying the VF-3 for helping me out on quite bright situations as well as to allow me a fast composition.
I'm really satisfied with this cameras. See ya, blue skies 🤙🏻🍀📸
I've got the e-pl6 and the e-pm1. I like the ease of use for family photography. I added the optional view finder. Very useful when it's very sunny
Hi there Robin, I own both camera models and I love them both 😊
They are both awesome!
Many people talking about the EPL9 but anyone should consider buying the EPL10 which is the firmware upgrade for the EPL9 which at this level unfortunately requires purchasing a new camera; the cheap kit gets little support after release so can be a dubious economy. The rollout of electronic shutter in all modes was a welcome addition in the 10 and the review industry who are little interested in affordable kit missed out on this on the whole and thought the 9 & 10 cameras were the same. Most blog reviews nowadays are about how good the camera is for blogging so Robin Wong is that rare breed an actual photographer. I would think either get the EPL8 for its full menus or the EPL10 for the electronic shutter and there is little point now with the EPL9 which was from Olympus imaging in its death throes telling everyone they were there for the duration whilst negotiating their exit.
I just love my epl-10 it makes for a great daily carry camera. But when I want to get serious about a picture I break my omd. I just love them both
Yeah for casual use, E-PL series is just so fantastic!
I own an EPL-9 and an EM-1 Mark 1. The EM-1 is my "serious" camera, but the EPL gets more use - it's so tiny and easy to carry around.
I also love how compact and light the E-PL series cameras are! Definitely better suited for casual use.
I have both the E-M10 II and E-PL7.. the E-M10 is so much more advanced and i prefer it in every way, except you can turn on the E-PL7 and take photos entirely one handed
Have the E-PL8 - nice camera. Just a few mm to thick because of the tilt-LCD. Otherwise - great even more so if combined with Olymus lenses.
Yeah these cameras are really compact!
I still use EM10 MK2 with additional genuine grip (for me it’s must have) with prime lenses 12/25/45. However I am thinking to get just one prime 20mm f1.4 plus 12-45 f4 zoom.
thanks for doing this video, man :) - even with a used entry-level camera you get better results than with any smartphone :) and real cameras are a fun to use!
I've used the E-PL8 and E-PL10 for street and like Robin says they take great images (and people often comment about how nice my camera looks -- hey, I don't mind that!). It's pretty easy to use a 1-dial camera even for manual shooting if you get used to it. However, ISO is a problem on the E-PL10 as it's not on the list of features you can assign to a button. My theory is that's an Olympus mistake; I think they copied the software directly from the E-M10, where it doesn't matter because the E-M10 has a dedicated ISO button. I think they forgot that the Pen doesn't. So on the E-PL10 you have to use the SCP to change ISO -- a minor pain.
Yeah quite a bummer about the ISO shortcut. I believe you can assign it to the arrowpad? I could be wrong, I don't have the camera to verify this.
@@robinwong Alas no. On my E-PL8 you can assign features to 2 arrowpad buttons but they took those away from the E-PL10. However you can change ISO using the "Live Control," which I liked better than the SCP as you can see the exposure changes occur.
@@mattwaller8959 that’s one of the reasons I sold on my EPL9 and kept the EPL8 as the manual set ups were better. I still have my EM10 mkii but now favour my EM5 mkiii.
I love my E-M10 MK111s ….it has enough megapixels for my ‘everyday’ work and the silent shutter across the board is a big bonus when out in the street….if I want higher quality then my E-M5 mk111 is a great camera…..who needs a Leica?…😂❤🎉😊
Yeah, the E-M10 and E-M5 series cameras are simply excellent!
I use the EPM-2 frequently, similar to EPL-5. The EPL series DOES accept accessory eye level viewfinders if you really need one. I usually don't, wouldn't want to be stuck with one permanently as it is on the OMD series necessarily.
Having both the EPL10 and EM5 MIII, I often take the EPL10 when I don't need the viewfinder (EVF). So I use it with any lens with less reach than m43's 100mm. I find it handles portraits as good as the lens you put on it, so fine for weddings if you take a m43, fine for street, and fine for every day carry in the bag. It's mostly why I have it, without the viewfinder on top it just slips into my daily carry satchel bag. I also like the flippy screen simply flipping up when I need to kneel down for a lower shot, it's not as useful all round as the Em5 MIII's flippy screen, but for most shooting it is quicker. Also, 16 vs 20mp is just about negligible in real world. It might give a small advantage if cropping in a lot, but even then, very minor, I also noticed the 16mp sensor is very slightly, I mean very slightly, better in low light (per pixel) performance, but as you have less pixels it's the same performance in low light as the 20mp sensors.
I'd argue that the 20MP image sensor in E-M5 Mark III has about one stop or more advantage when it comes to high ISO and dynamic range. It is quite evident when recovering shadows and highlight! The pixel count is negligible, but overall image quality, it is quite a step up!!
@@robinwong True, as a separate issue from noise to noise comparison at a given exposure, there is a little more dynamic range in the Em5 miii over the EPL10, which may come up as small factor for some final images, depending on how it was exposed and what was wanted. But it requires a scene with strong light, and blacks dark enough to crush/clip via dynamic range, which let's face it, if it's that important, a new bigger full frame sensor might be more important for the shooter compared to the small difference between these 2 cameras :)
The E-P7 is an option too. It is basically the same as the E-M10 IV but without the EVF. You get two dials and the 20mpx sensor. For a new purchase, I don't think I could consider the E-PL series. The E-P7 is better. But price-wise the E-M10 IV is usually cheaper, that is funny but there you go! 🙂
E-P7 is quite pricey, here it costs about more than double an E-PL from same generation. So for beginners, I take budget into consideration.
Thank you Robin. I realy liked this video. You did a great Jon here. I hope to see more contents like this soon. Take care ❤
Thanks, more to come for sure. Stay tuned.
Another great video. Keep up the great work.
Thanks, appreciate that!
Great review Robin, Both are great cameras! Both shoot amazing sharp images! Thanks for sharing!
Indeed, both are great cameras!
Great video Robin! I agree that both cameras are great! Well, I use both types of cameras. In studios I use omd and for street and nature photography I use Pen camera. For quiet commercial studio shooting, you can safely use om-d m-10IV and there will be no problems with image quality.
i have original m10 and is amazing i use 45mm 2.8 and kit lens 40 150 thats all i need for street and portrait family fotos
Yeah the original E-M10 camera is quite fantastic!
Thank you Robin .
Thanks Christine, glad I can share
I like the EM series as it feels like your holding an SLR and it has a viewfinder, while the ep series has the range finder feel minus a viewfinder which I am not a fan of.
The last great Pen cameras were the EP5 and Pen F. Even the EP7 was a step down from the EP5 in so many critical areas, most noticeably the inferior shutter on the EP7.
For someone looking for a solid entry level Olympus body - get the original E-M1 (Mark 1). It sells used at a steal and has the same 16MP sensor as most E-M5, Pens and E-M10.
The problem with E-P5 and PEN-F, these are not made for beginners.
The E-PL and E-M10 series are priced much lower!
Excellent video, thank you for making this comparison. I have an EPL9 and it feels like it is a seriously underrated camera, at least I don't see that many reviews of it on YT. Was always wondering what's the difference between those 2 models. I guess I'm going to stick with epl9 and maybe consider the EM10 IV when I get some extra money. For sure it's nice to have that extra dial, VF and a bit more pixels (actually 50% more) but EPL9 is already enought for me. Thanks again!
I had omd em10 mark II and has upgraded to em5 markIII recently. Despite my upgrade, I still think em10 markII is an excellent camera. I have never use EPL-1. I am curious to know with one one dial, how can you adjust exposure compensation and other function eg aperture, shutter speed at the same time ?
Yeah I prefer having two control dials for quick adjustments on the fly. With single dial, you need to press another button t activate a different setting.
You appear to be holding an E-PL7. That and its facelift the E-PL8 are the last of the E-PL to have the AP2 port which will take the VF4 EVF. After that the E-PL became dumbed-down. Both series need to have the metal bodies for that added bling, OMDS going to all plastic bodies is a bad move, they need to maintain a premium feel.
I guess, the issue here is Olympus not selling enough VF-3/4, and too small percentage of PEN users bought the external viewfinder, it became a business decision to take the port out.
I have an EM-10 Mk IV and an E-PL7. I love them both, but I do prefer having a viewfinder.
The E-PL7 takes the VF4 EVF 😎
Yeah, I love having a viewfinder too
l like the Pen!
both are great, you cant lose 👍✌🙏
7:44 Were the last two image sample segments maybe flipped? You talked about the E-PL10 first but then showed photos from the E-M10, and for the E-M10 you showed images from the E-PL after
Regardless I have to say after watching many videos on m4/3 (especially yours) I decided to pick up a used GF1 to play around with and might get an E-M10 at some point (although I still have and will keep my FF cameras for everything else) but the m4/3 I feel has sort of re-energeized my love of photography since they are considerably smaller than my FF cameras, which have their advantages, but if I want a simple camera that's very compact and light that I can just grab and go, the m4/3 system has a lot of options, and the compatct (EVF-Less) cameras like the PL series are great for that (as are the ones with the EVF as well). But my point is they are compact, light, and make photography (especially things like street and travel) more enjoyable. Not that I don't like my FF cameras, as I love them, but not for everything (particularly when I want to travel light and have a compact/minimal setup). This is why I think adopting and possibly having different formats is beneficial. It lets you choose the camera system or format this is suitable for the needs at the time, and not be blindsided into "FF is the best out there. Period" or m4/3 is the way to go. It does depend, but being open to different systems and sensor formats and breaking your bias towards one brand or format will help you enjoy photography more -- as they say: the right tool for the job. Sometimes that's FF, sometimes it's not. I am probably more l ikely to use a m4/3 system for street photography for example than my FF cameras, because of their size and weight -- they are less intimidating to people (a FF camera looks like a professional camera, and the smaller cameras and systems tend to come across as more touristy, so you might be able to get away with more with a smaller "hobbyist" looking camera.
Will you waiting for Pen-F mark II with us
The PEN F2 would be a challenger camera to the x100v or XE4 Fujifilm camera, but unless they put an advanced sensor inside, I will contend that the Lumix GX-9 is the PEN F2. What a great street shooter it is -- I know, I own one. 🤓 I do have the PL-8 and OMD EM 10 mkII which are fine as well. One problem with trying to sell any camera these days is that the current cameras, of the latest seven years, or so, are simply wonderful in rendering. Gone are the early years of leaps and bounds is sensor technology, and other advancements, such as autofocus. I still think Canon needs to bring back the Canonet rangefinder style, with the new sensor of the R10 = great! MFT and IBIS is all fine and dandy, but is there a future? All I know, at this moment in time MFT cameras and my Canon RP full-frame make me happy. This is all which matters. Is it producing as expected. I have never used a Ricoh GR camera, but it sounds interesting. The small batteries -- not many shots. This is or can be an issue on my GX-9, so I need to take an extra battery along, if the shoot is longer than an hour or so. Take care, and happy photography, Loren
No I won't. Not a fan of the original.
I find I use the back screen more then the viewfinder, but I take most if my images in vertical, so without a flippy screen it gets annoying.
I wish OMD to come out with a XT3/5 type of screen on the EPL, it at leas a flippy one.
Very good data! Thanks!
A bit older EPLs like EPL-5/6/7 can use attached EVF which moves them towards EM10 line, but you can always remove it and have tiny camera. I really do not understand why they decided to remove that EVF/flash port.
The only thing I dont like on my EPL-6 is that it only has one roller around OK key. If only that camera had rollers in front and back like PEN E-P5, it will be so much better. Even small XZ-2 or Stylus1s have at least that rotating ring around lens that works as 2nd roller.
And even the latest EP-7 does not have EVF port and two classic rollers like EP-5 whic I consider as significant downgrade.
Love this! I use the Olympus Evolt E-300 and E-500 with the Kodak CCD sensor. How does the EM10 compare in regards to colors?
slap a prime on these cameras and they are pocketable, shooting while not looking like a tourist perfect for street photography........also there are feature included in these camera that are advance which current highend cameras still dont have like live exposure, live comp. wifi for remote shooting to name a few.
Yeap, these cameras are amazing for street shooting
Hi Robin! As a GM1 owner, why would you leave home with the E-PL series for street/travel/edc? I struggle with E-PL series 'cause they're kinda heavy. The reason is that E-PL series does have a big advantage over Panasonic compact models, like GF7/8/9/10 (GX800/850/880) and GM1/5: In-Body Stabilization. So E-PL wins for better low-light performance- when using non-stabilized Olympus (most) lenses, non-stabilized Panasonic lenses (very few), or manual lenses. But....E-PL weigh almost 100g more, and that adds up! What makes you leave home with the E-PL instead?
GM1 is quite poor when it comes to handling. Also, not having image stabilization, tilt screen, and the buttons being too cramped together, makes the E-PL series camera more fun and efficient to use. I like the GM1 for what it is - pushing boundaries of making cameras really small. But for practical reasons, E-PL series wins.
@@robinwong Right, makes sense. Practical reasons. For me, those same practical reasons mean I go Panasonic just for the menu system alone. Love me that phase-detect AF on EM5.3, but...Olympus operation just beats me, and I miss the shot opportunity. Respect that you got it figured out.
Hi Robin. I enjoy your videos. Thanks for making them. I do a ton of street photography and use an old E-PL3 and E-PM1 cameras. It is finally time to upgrade! My question is can the E-PL10 use the VF3 finder? I am on a fixed income so I do not have a big budget. Would an E-PL5 be capable of using the VF3? Thanks in advance for your answers. I am debating whether to purchase a new camera, r continue using a used one. What are your thoughts?
Thank you :)
You are welcome
Gracias por tus vídeos Robin, me encantan las explicaciones y el contenido de ellos, y la perspectiva que les das. Quería preguntarte soy usuario de E-pm2, uso normalmente 25mm Yongnuo y 45mm olympus con muy buenos resultados para mis fotografías no profesionales. Estoy interesado en cambiar a modelo epl9 o epl10, crees que hay una gran diferencia entre estos modelos y mi actual epm2, siendo fotografías de aficionados?? Merece la pena el cambio?? Muchas gracias!!!
You saying no need water sealing if shooting for fun. I shooting for fun, just a hobby for me, but do find water sealing is very important because I don't want to worry about rain when shooting. It does rain often in Asia and it is a lot to photo when raining actually. So next time I buy a camera I will buy one with water sealing. Then my OM-10 mark 3 can't have manual ISO setting while recording. That is a big miss for me. I do prefer take pictures but when I do recording I found often I wish could have manual ISO setting.
Well, because normal people don't shoot in the rain. If you need weather-sealing then E-M5 series or E-M1 series would be more suited for you. Buy the gear that does the job!
I fume about the name "entry level." What does it even mean? Imagine being a wedding photographer with a 16MP camera 20 years ago - you'd blow the competition out of the water! It is akin to saying the camera is crap but okay for snapshots!
Yeah, it kind of does give off a bit of a "consumer garbage" vibe, but at its core it's a neutral term, and doesn't matter I guess, although you're right, it can be downright misleading just because of the associations tied to that term. I'll happily continue to use my "entry level" cameras that take fantastic photos, with all the controls I'll reasonably need :D
Hi Robin , im interested with micro four third after seeing some of your video and Sulanto video, is EPL-8 still good for 2023?
Robin, do you think the AF of Em10 iii is good for shooting kids basketball game? Thanks a lot!
Looks like the em10 series canceled from what I read from OMS. I was thinking the next one would have the new sensor.
We won't know for sure, but if that really happens, I think it is a poor strategy.
Hi Robin I have a pl5 and I love it. The only thing is the exposure compensation keeps changing by accident. How do you lock it so it won’t change by mistake
Sounds like there is some fault with the electronic contacts on the control dial. Send it in for servicing.
Your videos are great. I am a Canon shutter that wants to buy Olympus E-M1 Mark II as a photo/video camera. I have an issue with the video limit, but I was told of a hack that can open up the camera for unlimited video recording time. What is your opinion about it? have you tried it?
I have not heard of the hack. However, I'd strongly suggest not to do anything like hacking, once something goes wrong, the camera will be bricked.
@@robinwong thank you.
Robin. Why a cameras? Why not a phones? Because we all has a compact cameras (our phones) in our pockets
I just hear that they OM system killed the em10 series, don’t quote me on it though. And they will bring in the x series so the om1 and om5 would move down the rung, with om1 replacing the erstwhile om5 and X series would be the new top end.
killed it? how? the OM cameras are mighty expensive compared to an EM10
@@cyborgchimpy just found out somehow , em10 won’t be continued, it will be emx, em1, and em5. And maybe some pen
@@druid6605 oh really?...I dont own an em10 anymore but what is OM-systems doing lol. that doesnt sound like a good idea
I have the EM10 mkii and the EPL8. I did buy a EPL9 but sold it on as it was very much paired down with regard to manual settings. It was however ideal for a new user to MFT. The advantage of the EPL8 is that it can be fitted with an EVF.
As far as portability the EPL is better but I find that I am always taking a bag with me so either fits in without an issue. Ideal lenses for either …Lumix 12-32 kit lens and the Lumix 35-100 f4-f5.6 as they make a super lightweight combo.
Thank you Robin for continuing your informative vids.
@@cyborgchimpy agree, em10 was the best entry level Jack of all trades
Robin, today 2023 most manufactured such as Canon, Sony, Nikon, Fuji and Panasonic does not have many cameras in this price ranges. Nikon has 3 cameras with the same hardware but different bodies, Fuji has only X-T30 in the price range. Panasonic cameras in this price rang such as GX800, GX80, GX9 and G90 has not been updated form more then 4 or 5 years. Only Canon has introduced 2 new cameras with new sensors and processors in this pricepoints. The canon R50 and R10 are new. It seems to me that when in this pricepoint no manafactured does not care mean that at this pricepoint there is no provitability. Lets be honest, smaller and smaller, only to be smaller having a lot of compromise seem te be loosing to the smartphones. This cameras has been created around 2010 and 2014 where smartphone has begun. Right now the best camers is what you have with you and this is your smartphone. Panasonics GX800 , GX80 and GX9 series has not been updated in 6 years. Conclusion, this small cameras are not profitable anymore, too small a market. Let talk about the market from a manufacturer view. The amount of cameras sold a year is around 5 million, which Canon own 40%, then Sony 20% and Nikon around 17%. So 77% of the market is owned by 3 companies. Fuji dominates the street photography market. What market Panasonic and OM are aiming now and how many bodies can be sold? Is this amount profitable? Does customer wants to trade their smartphone for one of this dedicated cameras. that they use ones a while?
GX800/80/9 are still an excellent cameras, much better than smartphones. But yes, this market segment is really dying because most consumers are happy enough with smartphone image quality.
And yet their biggest sellers are the smaller cameras. And I for one can attest that even my old E-PL7 or Lumix G7 (which is still a current camera) will out perform any smartphone.
Streamlining and having less product series would probably be a good strategy. It is no secret that Olympus earned more selling an E-M1 than 3 E-M10 cameras. So, pushing the higher end cameras make sense.
I believe there is room for lower, entry level camera such as E-M10. It may not seem important, but it can serve as an entry point for those who may not want to go all in just yet. Expecting a complete beginner to purchase OM-5 or OM-1, that is a lot of commitment, and for lower income countries like Malaysia, it may take one year for basic salaryman to save up enough money just to buy the OM-1.
@@robinwong Robin. I agree with you that all manufacturiers need to have an entry level camera below the €1000 price point for beginners. Right now all of them have it but for many it is not their main concern. Panasonic is the one that has not updated their models, suchas as GX800, GX80, GX9 and G95, in more then 5 years. But i think this is their strategy to streamline their products. Regarding OM Systems, it seems they are focussing heavy on the Japanese and West European market then low income countries such as South America, Middle East and South Asian markets. Here in Europe the are promoting the OM-5 and OM-1 heavily and also lowered the price of old bodies such as EM1X, EM5 Mark III. They also have lot of offers to buy a camera and get a lens free.
@@jeffslade1892 They can outperform smartphones, but the majority of consumers doesn’t care. If you see the top 10 of most sold cameras at Yodobashi, a japanese retailer, you see that Nikon Z9, priced at 6000 USD, is outselling most entry level cameras. This point clearly that consumers doesn’t see a lot of value in those small and entry level cameras.
So, in summary, if you lean towards beard oil and flannel then get the E-PL 😂