yeah, i get why they dont use thrusts in-game, but man would that be cool. but now im curious, whats your take on Highlanders different guards, both standard, and in Offensive-stance?
I'm chewing on doing a deep-dive video on him instead of a short because he's pretty exciting from a fencing perspective. Though I mean that more about what his moveset does rather than how he looks doing it, if that makes sense.
Probably because the'd be awkward to time. The only thrusts I can think of are guaranteed like PK and warmommy stabs or super fast like nobushi pokes and everybody despises those. The only exception would be centurion but that can't really be applied to warden. Yeah, FH has way more to dive into. I hope he also dives into the samurai. Sure, they wield different weapons but japanese and european weapons are identical so same rules should apply. Or even the vikings. I always heard that the Raider has no technique. Then I saw two hema guys doing dane axe sparring and it looks pretty much the same as raider.
Warden was the first hero they made, I assume. Likely they were still coming up with all the moves and designing it so it was telegraphed enough that the opponent could see it coming in order to block and the gameplay loop works properly.
What's really annoying about it is that Ubisoft gave SO MANY OTHER HEROES THRUSTS!! Even the hammer-wielding viking gets thrust attacks, but not the damn LONGSWORD MASTER!! Sorry for yelling.
I actually think it fits wardens character, he’s clearly very unrefined, so it makes sense his sword abilities are too. Why should he use some fancy technique when he can just ram someone with his shoulder, why stab them when you can just slam your sword into their skull. I like the brutality of it all
@@SBS_Autojust say "ee" (like eagle) and then shape your mouth like you want to say "oh" (like in often) without changing your tongue position or anything else. You can also do it the other way around
Yeah, I really wish they had actual HEMA practitioners doing the move set choreography. Warden for sure needs to be able to thrust as his side light attack. And his top light attack should be from the top attacks to the sides of the head (like we see in star wars and in the Historical Manuscripts) Those rapid side to side attacks to the sides of the head would be perfect for his top side light attack!
they updated the double light attack animation, they now thrust and do a slash on the follow thru. also side heavy attacks use the handle to attack, holding yhe blade. very cool wish they were better
Hey, just in case you might care about this and my little German brain got hurt by "Sushel" i'll try to explain the pronunciation of "Schlüssel". It's pretty straight forward to be honest, most of the sounds are native to the english language. A close approach might be "Shlusle" or "Shlusel" if that makes a big difference. Only weird thing is the 'ü'. It's like the 'ew' sound when a scottish person might say "grew" but it's short like the 'i' in "wit". If the IPA helps, it's " [ˈʃlʏsl̩] "
I don't know how I never found this channel. As a blade enthusiast, as well as a professional gamer that plays primarily midevil to feudal Japan or games with good sword/axe physics as a must, this content is glorious.
@Arran I played For Honor competition, speed runs of games like Sekiro, I'm looking towards Hellish Quart in the future when it's finished, lately it's been Chivalry 2 and hopefully someday soul caliber again. I made a bunch of wins back in the day when mortal kombat 3 first came out at in person tournaments but that's not my style, just liked it. There are very few competitive midevil games.
In an old version of the game the double light attack chain from the sides used to be a slice and a thrust, instead of double cuts. I don't know why they changed it, probably had something to do with parry animation.
Slice and thrust? Probably due to animation. Maybe the animation, if not altered, felt too slow and would either give him some dumb I-frames or made him vulnerable. And if they sped up the animation it probably looked too goofy/weird/scuffed so they ditched it and got something else
If im not remembering it wrong. In game his high stance where he could pierce is only ever used so he can do a downward swing. Been a few years since i played tho
You should have a look at the dueling stances from the Stormlight Archives novels! There aren't really many visual depictions of them, but some are extensively described in function. Might be interesting to match them to real-world stances
As an animator, when we create those idle positions, its often for cool factor and how good it look on many different angles and how well it blends with other animations, so it may not be the animation director's intention to use thrusts when they decided on this idle stance
I've been watching your videos as reference for 3d Character stances and posing. And after the small amount of work Ive done so far, I'm almost certain the reason the warden's blade is lower is because of the armor on his shoulders. That stance is already super awkward to pose based on the hand/arm position. Moving the arms up, even slightly, looks like it would be more work to prevent the pauldrons from causing crazy amounts of clipping.
I honestly think it's pretty cool that me as a weirdo using sticks as swords as a kid used to beat people in little sword fights all because I did "weird stances" turns out I'm not weird I just have some unknown knowledge about it in my subconscious
There are only so many techniques that will actually work in a fight. Kendo and longsword fencing styles have a very large overlap in what is a good cut or a strong defensive stance, with some minor alterations that play into the strengths of either weapon. Kendo for example takes advantage of the extreme stiffness of katanas in that instead of looking for a bind, they will instead hit the opponent's weapon off-balance with the spine then quickly try to capitalize on the opening. Longsword fencing likes to use the full length f the weapon as a tool. Half-swording, reverse cuts, using the crossguard and pommel as bashing weapons. These don't inherently make the longsword better, but it's a weapon that has over time been developed into the swiss army knife of swords, flexible and adaptive.
I think it mighta been interesting to add that Ox and the guard it resembled also look a lot like Posta di Finestra Distra. It would be cool to see Fiore representation in videos like this too. Though I'm new to the channel, and German longsword does seem more popular
I'll occasionally dip into Italian sources, but the German stances are of particular note for the Warden because that's specifically what their fighting style is inspired by, going by old development interviews. I think there was a development blog article on the website too back in the day talking about it.
Only thing wrong with his left guard I've seen tho is that in left pflug, you'd be having your top hand in a thumb grip (if you're right handed like warden) for better support when doing a thrust from that position
A year later he now actually thrust after a shoulder bash light attacks are a quick thrust jab and the a hilt strike, a heavy input is an exaggerated heavy swing and a zone attack input he grabs the sword by the blade and swings. Neat he got a little more historically accurate
I know this is just plugging Warframe content, but the game has a sword stance called Vengeful Revenant. Would be awesome to see a discussion on its efficacy in IRL combat.
While I'm not much of a For Honor fan, I would love to see a take on any of the armors worn by the Warden's faction. I feel like some of them would face a good amount of critique in how they'd actually be protective vs how much it could be hindrance in lacking defense.
You may also wanna take a look at Orochi, they're an excellent samurai but i think a lot of their stuff is slightly dramatized, id love to see what you think of them!
If only warden was a swordsman and not a shouldersman
Kensei: _[boops you on the nose with sword's handle]_
@@LecherousLizard Pommelsman
@@Phoenix6942-7 Kensei, lit. "Pommel saint".
_(Source: Trust me, bro. I'm Japanese)_
Greatsword users from Monster Hunter World:
And if Lawbringer had a more diverse move set rather than SHOB
yeah, i get why they dont use thrusts in-game, but man would that be cool. but now im curious, whats your take on Highlanders different guards, both standard, and in Offensive-stance?
I'm chewing on doing a deep-dive video on him instead of a short because he's pretty exciting from a fencing perspective. Though I mean that more about what his moveset does rather than how he looks doing it, if that makes sense.
Probably because the'd be awkward to time. The only thrusts I can think of are guaranteed like PK and warmommy stabs or super fast like nobushi pokes and everybody despises those. The only exception would be centurion but that can't really be applied to warden.
Yeah, FH has way more to dive into. I hope he also dives into the samurai. Sure, they wield different weapons but japanese and european weapons are identical so same rules should apply.
Or even the vikings. I always heard that the Raider has no technique. Then I saw two hema guys doing dane axe sparring and it looks pretty much the same as raider.
Warden was the first hero they made, I assume. Likely they were still coming up with all the moves and designing it so it was telegraphed enough that the opponent could see it coming in order to block and the gameplay loop works properly.
@@robinswords I'd love to see that!
If you look at the release trailer warden actually uses the tip of the blade
Warden: uses blade tip forward guards. Also warden: uses no stabbing techniques whatsoever
I honestly strongly prefer Warmonger
He's powerful enough to not need it and ts a game
He uses thrusts in some executions at least
@FHWarden
Tf is that profile name
A year later and he finally has a stab move, out of his shoulder bash sure, but hey, he can stab now!
This bros never skips chest day at the gym.
Its those Krypton genetics.
@@dougmartin2007😂
if you haven't noticed, he also doesn't skip leg day
Warden finally have thrust with the recent update
I always wondered if that high guard he did was real or just for show because it always looked so fucking cool
Schlussel is weird...it's very hard to reach in modern HEMA gear so you don't see it a lot in tournaments.
@@swordpvnkit's strange because it's japanese equivalent kasumi is also quite rarely used and in kendo it isn't even taught.
It’s a 2 handed version of what Obi Wan Kenobi does basically and I love it
@@MasterHall117 very similar, yes but obi wan's stance is more of a jian stance.
@@swordpvnk it also looks awkward to maintain grip.
What's really annoying about it is that Ubisoft gave SO MANY OTHER HEROES THRUSTS!! Even the hammer-wielding viking gets thrust attacks, but not the damn LONGSWORD MASTER!! Sorry for yelling.
I actually think it fits wardens character, he’s clearly very unrefined, so it makes sense his sword abilities are too.
Why should he use some fancy technique when he can just ram someone with his shoulder, why stab them when you can just slam your sword into their skull.
I like the brutality of it all
@@planeth9041 Stabbing is not "some fancy technique", it's literally poking someone to death lol
@@planeth9041 You can stab some one brutally, such as ramming your sword into them up to the hilt (perhaps as part of a whole-body charge at them).
*VALKYRIE LIGHTS ENTER THE CHAT*
I would consider his sword a greatsword. Ain't no longsword built that long and thick. LOL
The followup bash into double light actually does have a thrust now :)
As a german, i have never heard anyone butcher "Schlüssel" that fucking bad, had a good chuckle on that one
Your pronunciation of "Schlüssel" as sushel cracks me up so much😂😂😂
The way he said it so confidently😭
The ü is hard for americans to pronounce
@@SBS_Auto yeah and how about the L? He didn't pronounce half the letters as if it were French...
@@SBS_Autojust say "ee" (like eagle) and then shape your mouth like you want to say "oh" (like in often) without changing your tongue position or anything else. You can also do it the other way around
@athmaid ya i had to learn it in german class in highschool, but good explanation
Our boy uses thrust now!
There is nothing wrong with how the warden fights
"Shoulder bash slash slash shoulder bash slash slash"
Chaaaaaaaaaaarhe shoulder bash BIG slash
this is my favorite two-handed sword stance / guard for a visual standpoint.
They have thrusts now :D
It is a follow-up light attack to his shoulder bash.
when Batman teaches Superman martial arts
Many heroes got some good stances. Orochi, Lawbringer, Nobishi and Valkyre have pretty accurate guards aswell
They should really give warden thrust attacks
they could give him a dodge attack thrust
Literally Zhanhu bro
Yeah, I really wish they had actual HEMA practitioners doing the move set choreography.
Warden for sure needs to be able to thrust as his side light attack.
And his top light attack should be from the top attacks to the sides of the head (like we see in star wars and in the Historical Manuscripts)
Those rapid side to side attacks to the sides of the head would be perfect for his top side light attack!
Forgive me, I forgot what that particular attack is called.
Zordhow? LOL 😂 I’m just making things up.
Your one of the coolest channels on TH-cam mate
Funnily enough wardens actually raise their into a more traditional ox guard when blocking attacks from the top.
I’ve wondered this for a long time, thanks man!
ah cool! i made a comment on yt about this! I'm glad you covered it!
He actually has a thrust animation now if you get a shoulder bash to land
I know this is an older video, but recently they gave warden thrust and half swording moves
Warden has new animations now and he can stab.
They now gave warden new animations and he now can do a stabbing attack after a shoulder bash and looks pretty cool
Warden has a thrust now in 2024 although it has to be chained with a bash
They updated his moveset. HE NOW THRUSTS
they updated the double light attack animation, they now thrust and do a slash on the follow thru. also side heavy attacks use the handle to attack, holding yhe blade. very cool wish they were better
idk why Clark Kent showing me weapon stances, but I'm enjoying the video nonetheless.
You, sir, have helped me in my swordsmnship journey more than almost any other in a short amount of time. Well done. I thank you.
Going to need you to post a no-context short of you jumping on that trampoline.
Bruh he trusts his armor to carry some weight
good news! he uses thrust now, it's half swording but still thrust, lol.
Wait what the hell is going on, I thought I needed to wear a shirt and tie to practice with swords?
Hey, just in case you might care about this and my little German brain got hurt by "Sushel" i'll try to explain the pronunciation of "Schlüssel".
It's pretty straight forward to be honest, most of the sounds are native to the english language.
A close approach might be "Shlusle" or "Shlusel" if that makes a big difference.
Only weird thing is the 'ü'. It's like the 'ew' sound when a scottish person might say "grew" but it's short like the 'i' in "wit".
If the IPA helps, it's " [ˈʃlʏsl̩] "
I liked one video in the past and I'm so happy that I just get everything from you now. These are awesome shorts.
this guy is incredibly handsome
I don't know how I never found this channel. As a blade enthusiast, as well as a professional gamer that plays primarily midevil to feudal Japan or games with good sword/axe physics as a must, this content is glorious.
Thanks!
I'm intrigued, what kind of medieval and feudal japan games can you play professionally?
@Arran I played For Honor competition, speed runs of games like Sekiro, I'm looking towards Hellish Quart in the future when it's finished, lately it's been Chivalry 2 and hopefully someday soul caliber again. I made a bunch of wins back in the day when mortal kombat 3 first came out at in person tournaments but that's not my style, just liked it. There are very few competitive midevil games.
In an old version of the game the double light attack chain from the sides used to be a slice and a thrust, instead of double cuts.
I don't know why they changed it, probably had something to do with parry animation.
Slice and thrust? Probably due to animation. Maybe the animation, if not altered, felt too slow and would either give him some dumb I-frames or made him vulnerable. And if they sped up the animation it probably looked too goofy/weird/scuffed so they ditched it and got something else
Idk if you'll see this but you should review his new moveset where he thrusts and half swords with his attacks
Wonder what he’d think of warden after the new update since he stabs and also smacks em with the hilt
If im not remembering it wrong. In game his high stance where he could pierce is only ever used so he can do a downward swing.
Been a few years since i played tho
You should have a look at the dueling stances from the Stormlight Archives novels! There aren't really many visual depictions of them, but some are extensively described in function. Might be interesting to match them to real-world stances
I second this!
More in depth analysis like this please.
Warden now dose a poke
they’ve now changed wardens animations to where he actually has thrusting animations off of shoulder bashes so that’s pretty cool
Time to revisit this topic.
They do thrust! It's... just with their shoulder 😅😅😅
Yeah, sword thrusts in gmfor honor would barely help the warden keep up woth the nobushi and gladiator. One of which is on his team.
I just wanted to say, this has been update, Warden now thrusts
swordman Clark Kent
fun fact upon the newest rework at the time some of wardens attacks do indeed thrust
(edit) i know the videos old
Common Warden W
A set of skills only know by the ones who take the code of honor
Conqueror next? I just want to see how historically accurate my best boi is
Not enough shoulder bashing
As an animator, when we create those idle positions, its often for cool factor and how good it look on many different angles and how well it blends with other animations, so it may not be the animation director's intention to use thrusts when they decided on this idle stance
A year later, and revisited this video. Warden now has 1 thrust/poke.
I've been watching your videos as reference for 3d Character stances and posing. And after the small amount of work Ive done so far, I'm almost certain the reason the warden's blade is lower is because of the armor on his shoulders. That stance is already super awkward to pose based on the hand/arm position. Moving the arms up, even slightly, looks like it would be more work to prevent the pauldrons from causing crazy amounts of clipping.
even for new player like me it is surprising how he didnt have any thrust attack whatsoever despite his stance and stature lol.
Just a bit dramatized proceeds to show the zestiest most dramatic drawing ever
I honestly think it's pretty cool that me as a weirdo using sticks as swords as a kid used to beat people in little sword fights all because I did "weird stances" turns out I'm not weird I just have some unknown knowledge about it in my subconscious
There are only so many techniques that will actually work in a fight. Kendo and longsword fencing styles have a very large overlap in what is a good cut or a strong defensive stance, with some minor alterations that play into the strengths of either weapon.
Kendo for example takes advantage of the extreme stiffness of katanas in that instead of looking for a bind, they will instead hit the opponent's weapon off-balance with the spine then quickly try to capitalize on the opening.
Longsword fencing likes to use the full length f the weapon as a tool. Half-swording, reverse cuts, using the crossguard and pommel as bashing weapons. These don't inherently make the longsword better, but it's a weapon that has over time been developed into the swiss army knife of swords, flexible and adaptive.
Warden has a thrust move now so thats pretty epic
I think it mighta been interesting to add that Ox and the guard it resembled also look a lot like Posta di Finestra Distra. It would be cool to see Fiore representation in videos like this too. Though I'm new to the channel, and German longsword does seem more popular
I'll occasionally dip into Italian sources, but the German stances are of particular note for the Warden because that's specifically what their fighting style is inspired by, going by old development interviews. I think there was a development blog article on the website too back in the day talking about it.
@@robinswords Oh hey that's cool! Thanks for the reply and the knowledge.
Bro said “erm actually ☝️🤓” jkjk but that’s seriously cool, thanks for the breakdown
Warden now thrusts after a shoulder bash
They do now thrust
Warden deserves more moves bro...
need series about European Swordmanship
gonna be honest, my favorite part of the warden is their Finishers, specifically... the End Them Rightly finisher.
Convinced this guy is the reason warden got new animations lol
Bro didn’t even pronounce key right in German
You should absolutely do Centurion, I don't think the animations are effective at all, but they look really cool
Warden needs a buff
or you could not play that burning garbage can of a game
@@nsombakuZambia I'll admit it can be garbage but with friends it's fun
I got one random recommendation for Clark Kent explaining sword techniques to me, and it has now usurped my recommended feed.
Only thing wrong with his left guard I've seen tho is that in left pflug, you'd be having your top hand in a thumb grip (if you're right handed like warden) for better support when doing a thrust from that position
A year later he now actually thrust after a shoulder bash light attacks are a quick thrust jab and the a hilt strike, a heavy input is an exaggerated heavy swing and a zone attack input he grabs the sword by the blade and swings. Neat he got a little more historically accurate
They should hire guys like you for these video games
So what do you think about shoulder checking your opponent in the middle of combat?
I know this is just plugging Warframe content, but the game has a sword stance called Vengeful Revenant. Would be awesome to see a discussion on its efficacy in IRL combat.
You look like Clark Kent
that chest is enough pillow for the whole street
While I'm not much of a For Honor fan, I would love to see a take on any of the armors worn by the Warden's faction. I feel like some of them would face a good amount of critique in how they'd actually be protective vs how much it could be hindrance in lacking defense.
I may get around to it. The chest is sort of a mess. Weirdly distributed plates with a ton of gap between them.
"INCUMBE"
I’ve been wanting to know what the Ochs was called for forever! Thank you!
For honor needs to take notes fr. Game would be way better.
warden just actually got an update so when he does his lvl 1 bash he indeed does thrust
Shoulder bash shoulder bash what I'm gonna do feint shoulder bash 😎
Good news, warden now has a stabbing move
He actually uses a thrust into half-sword in game now after you land a shoulder bash
Who’s here after Warden got the new Half-Swording animations?
Warden has stabbing his left and right light attack combo does a stabbing motion
This video is old
oh god the pronunciation of schlüssel hurt me
Why does he remind me of Tenya Iida?
Also, these videos are so interesting! I really enjoy it 👍
This Video is a year old, and Warden ist actually using thrusts now
If you play story mode, and fight the little guys, Wardens do indeed utilize thrust. It’s only here tho I’ve noticed.
This man giving my brain knowlwdge i never thought id get. Bravo dude 👏
You may also wanna take a look at Orochi, they're an excellent samurai but i think a lot of their stuff is slightly dramatized, id love to see what you think of them!
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