Are We Bodies or Souls? | Dr. Richard Swinburne
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- Richard Swinburne, one of the most influential philosophers of religion in the 20th and 21st centuries, joins me and my friend Ashkan to discuss Swinburne's latest book on substance dualism.
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Ashkan Mehr Roshan is an Iranian atheist activist, blogger and translator who explores philosophy, politics and the cognitive science of language. He also hosts a podcast (Ionia) on philosophy where he explores the philosophical literature and interviews scholars on philosophy, naturalism and the sciences. You can read about his work here:
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Swinburne's book, "Are We Bodies or Souls?", available here: www.amazon.com/Are-Bodies-Sou...
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Dr Swinburne will never see this but I really appreciate his "lesson" starting about half way in response to mitigated modal skepticism. I'm not convinced by his argument but I absolutely see where he's coming from and I think one could hold his position and I'd have no problem with it at all.
Swinburne's voice is magical.
Voice of a scholar
Photo credit: Cameron Bertuzzi
Ha! That was already in the description!
@Jon
Chill, dude. Obviously it's a joke.
@Jon why...
Great discussion.
Wow. Congratulations on getting Dr. Swinburne on your show! I am looking forward to this one!
Can you do an impersonation of him to see his reaction?😂😂
Hey man! Great discussion. I’m curious how you get the background and talk over the background? I like this and would like to do it for my channel. Thanks!
Very good get. God bless Professor Swinburne
can you ask swinburn about the other types of dualisms like predicate, property/trope
and non-cartesian substance dualism
Based
Apparently substance dualism really triggers people. I mean look, the view is bad but I just don't get how it triggers people so much. So what if we're bodies or souls or whatever? It's just an interesting metaphysical question.
Its just as childish as devil being upset it cant be God
@Jon But still, it seems like they have much stronger views about the falsity of this view than anything else. I dunno, I hear what you're saying, it just seems strange to me.
It seems like a very crucial axiom to Christianity and the value of life I feel. To that I’d ask things like:
How can we be hermeneutically, and theologically consistent-or even ethically consistent-if we don’t have souls?
Why does human life matter if we are only physical beings, especially if we contextualize this question with the book of Ecclesiastes and contemporary cosmology?
For the sake of finding the best explanation, and considering all possible defeaters and fallacies, can we synthesize relevant fields of contemporary science and philosophy in providing an epistemically coherent theory of mind?
How does the existence of a soul and possibility (or probability) of an afterlife leverage theism for a theodicy or defense?
How does the nature of the answer to this question affect the argument from consciousness?
If believers are to be raptured, (depends on the most reasonable eschatological view), how does that work with regard to philosophy of mind or philosophy of time and space?
Apart from scientific and philosophical considerations, I think this question corresponds to political topics too, because, surely there must be some universal leveling factor that classifies all humans as equal.
Well, I think it certainly has really big implications for neuroscience,
especially if there’s a mechanism in which the spiritual impacts the physical that can be measured, etc.
Could we see when prayer happens? What about when someone accepts Christ? Would that mean that we can measure how people change through their spirit somehow?
It also has some interesting implications for evolution and biology- because apparently non-human apes and cats don’t have souls, but we do.
Does that mean there’s … an evolutionary way to connect with the spirit world? Or does it imply that we were endowed with something by another?
I think it’s not just a stance but it has real impacts into how we view the world . It can affect politics and science, etc.
Could you please add an English captain for the video? the audio isn’t that clear at some parts, let alone Richard’s words are fading in and out.
The auto-generated caption isn’t good enough for this video.
So, what’s his answer?
BOTH!
Great interview! I think Substance Dualism is interesting, though seriously problematic viz-a-viz the problem of other minds.
Would you debate Dr Avi on moral realism? He's a medical doctor and moral subjectivist with 5.2k subs on TH-cam. I'd be interested to see a discussion between you because he finds moral realism and the idea of external normative reasons to be one of the few things he can't even conceive of.
inability to conceive is a personal problem
@Jon I didn't say he thought it a contradiction. What's the contradiction in not conceiving something without it entailing a contradiction?
@@TheBrunarr Not sure how your comments adds anything here.
@C Yes, a doctor's position on meta-ethics is exactly what you should be using to determine whether or not to avoid a doctor.
So Dr. Swinburne assumes that the individuals self or soul is not an illusion but naturalists assume that the individuals self, mind or soul is an illusion?
yea. a lot of popular naturalists deny the self such as sam harris (this man also talks abt freewill btw). sam is also ben stiller’s twin :D
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Swinburne: “It’s entirely arbitrary”
Swinburne's arguments betray a severe lack of knowledge of neuroscientific and neuropsicologic research. In particular his arguments about not being able to get "half a mind" or "half an identity" kinda vanish in the face of the research on Split-brain condition (look up Gazzaniga in particular) where you DO get half a mind controlling an arm and a leg. That's not an absurd, that's actual reality.
Read his work bro
@@LogosTheos does he address these phenomena specifically? because in the video sounded completely oblivious about them.
@@paskal007r Do the hard work and read what he has written and you will see.
@@LogosTheos Him first with the neuroscience he blatantly ignores.
@@paskal007r You didn't understand the argument. Now go actually read what he has written. That's why I commented.
Anyone who think substance dualism is true has not read Spinoza's case against it. He makes an argument against a substance having fewer than all possible attributes.
What academic literature have you read on substance dualism? I'm just curious.
@@LogosTheos Leibniz, the discourse on metaphysics, monadology, too many to write
@@CMVMic Contemporary philosophy of mind.
we're composites of both ;)
Is the Thomistic view that humans are material substances with immaterial faculties? Or is it that humans are immaterial substances with material faculties?
@@ob4161 closer to the former
We're just bodies.
no
Are We Bodies or Souls? The answer is 'yes'.
I looked up the guy doing a bad E.L.Wisty impression... Oxford professor!
What a load of waffle.
It takes me less than 5 minutes to explain how Descartes was right (kinda) on my courses.
And so is Physicalism. It's not that complicated.
"yes" to which one? or both?
@@zoliozgamer7008
Yes to 'or'. Meaning: not 'and'.
A part of me that isn’t a substance? Lmao what a joke. Dr. Phlogiston
Are you interested in discussing Islamic philosophy ? Like their view on the problem of evil and occasionalism, or by bringing a Muslim theist in a discussion?
Those are boring topics. Schmid should take apart the argument from Koranic inimtibility.
I wonder what their view is on the problem of evil, since the hadiths say aIIah predetermined people's lives (iirc)
@@Koran90123
That is subjective
Well it is the same answer as the Christians let me guess
Free will
We are in a test
God is all-wise
Did I miss something?
@@anflas7200 yep, I don't think the hadiths allow free will
He easily shows how physicalism is incredibly far from being a viable theory.