Ditto Ramana Maharshi who could also put put peopje into samadhi & he also was able to remove all the remaining karmic roadblocks into merging with the absolute. When he guided his mother into Brahman he saw like a fast forward movie, the last incarnations she would have lived had he not absorbed her karmic barriers to liberation. Oddly enough he heard what sounded like a loud metallic sound as she merged with tge absolute. I am going to digress & mention the materials I have studied about the E.Ts called the Pleadians who never mentioned to contactee Bilky Meier=Karma-Grace leading one to SAMADHI. As an abductee for over 30 years here is my takeaway about this phenomenon.The the E.Ts visiting earth have a skillset more akin to entrepreneurs than saints. In a galaxy filled with barren worlds earth's genetic diversity is a very rare commodity.This is big business and is the coin of the realm to trade with other planets for their exotic materials like element 115.They want a monopoly without any oversight from the natives. The E.Ts on the moon mining H3 already have that monopoly. See Pleadian contactee Billy Meiers material with a narrative by Randolf Winters...hit the video icon. Finally the state of awareness NO E.TS POSSESS=See Ramana Maharshi Be as You Are Chapter 12 Experience and Samadhi...Sahaja samadhi-the unified field of awareness or Born Again when the ego is destroyed along with its subconscious mind-unconscious mind revealing the superconscious mind 24/7.
I think that Sam's experience with Papaji was so transformational because Papaji's teaching is so divorced from some kind of intellectual understanding of awakening, and it is the simplest of teachings to keep quiet and to follow the stream of consciousness guidance of someone who is so amazingly blissful and alive.
A self realized master is someone who has gone beyond the mind. Pure awareness and consciousness is the only and greatest true charisma there is. Papaji's eyes are that pure awareness. He is empty of the ego idea, and thats all the ego is. I sat with Papaji and I can tell you that he was an incredible human being. The peace and silence he spoke of were in full display. ✨️ Remarkable and beautiful being beyond measure. 🕉 Thats all that matters to me, all else is speculation by the mind. Which is the very thing that needs to be dropped. Then you can see clearly what is. Papaji or anything else.
I was in the presence of Papaji. I just saw an old man surrounded by fanatic believers, touching his feet, and so on. After “Satsang” there was a marketplace bazaar of devotees selling everything from cool yogi clothes, to massage “therapy”. The marketplace seemed to be made up of new age cool people who were hustling spiritual tourists, like me, selling everything at US dollar prices (in Lucknow, India), so they could live the New Age dream at the feet of their Guru. Maybe I’m just jealous.
Yes, it seemed like just a bunch of fanatic people longing for instant enlgihtenment (and a Daddy figure). Did you happen to feel any "energy" around Papaji?
Ram Dass pointed out that the Guru is neutral (no one is home) and is a nexus point for whatever one is bringing and open to in that moment. So with his Guru it was the same. One would see-feel light love as great as the sun, radiant. Another would see just an old man on a blanket. Some see the latter but get opened up through being there over some time. I had that experience in India. I needed to be "broken open" but when it happened I was enveloped and immersed in light and love for half an hour and could not move. that one experience made the entire trip worthwhile. Both Ammas (there is another) and Shivabalayogi, nor my Guru nor Neem Karoli Baba (Ram Dass' Guru) did not charge for darshans. Did Papaji charge you? It clearly was not your moment, your karma, (causes and conditions) would not allow it, There is no right or wrong, better than or worse in this. It was not meant to happen for you there.
Could you feel this through a video or an audio of Poonjaji I wonder? Or is it only live? I think there might be something in the voice too myself, as with Tolle's voice.
Basic Premise: Presence is your natural state. Pointing out may be helpful, but the pointer isn’t someone to be worshipped. Someday, ordinary teachers will be pointing out presence to ordinary elementary school students. But for some reason we make religions and cults around it, and bow down in worship to it ( presence) and worship those who point it out. People like Papaji know this, the simple ordinariness and utter simplicity of Presence, and yet encourage devotees to worship him. His Graduate followers too, who have become famous teachers, like Mooja “Ji”, are raking in the money and prestige in propagating this lie: that they are special and you need the greatness of their teaching.
Ordinary (well not so ordinary) people are doing this all the time now because the ability is innate with everyone. I have watched many blossom with this in the last 20 years. The time is now.
These guys are are depending upon the outward for an inward transformation. It will never happen. I don't care what kind of a presence someone has, or how intelligent they seem or are. You must look within yourself to become wise and ultimately one with all.
I thought for a minute . . . about posting a comment that just said: "You're being an a*hole". The idea was that if you came back annoyed by it, I'd say "So I've just demonstrated that a personal interaction can transform you _negatively._ Why can't a personal interaction transform you _positively_ (?)"
@@QED_ The interactions we experience are the result of the dualities of this material realm. Every interaction is designed to cause you to evolve spiritually. Why? Because they cause you to introspect, meditate, reflect, look within.
@@daodejing81 Either the Cosmos is a precise place or it isn't. Either karma and reincarnation are exact or they aren't. "No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place". If there were no use for teachers like this, they would not appear in the dream. What you say is true but my experience is most people realize it in stages. In 1971 when the Universe through my Guru literally dragged me to him, what you talk about was so far beyond the capacity of nearly everyone. Now that the grid has been laid and anchored by decades of deep work, it is much easier to claim "it is all within, we don't need these people" after an ocean of grace has ben given. It is immensely ungrateful to the teachers that pioneered this all in the west. There are stages and a place for everything. Years ago, and still today, if you or anyone else was not mentored in some way, by teachers, teachings, books, workshops you name it, the admonition "it's all within" would not amount to jack squat. Most people in the beginning could not find their own anus in terms of deeply, consistently, and authentically accessing what is "within", or even what "it" is or was.
If you watch documentaries about people who met Adolf Hitler it is common to hear that they were bowled over by his charisma . In ordinary life so many manipulative/ coercive controlling personalities have charisma . Papaji had a child with a young devotee when he was well into his 60's - now that takes charisma 🌝.
For me I can see his charisma but I am not blown over by his presence. Maybe is something that can only be experienced in person, like the difference between watching a video of a concert and being in the concert.
Sam's interview with Derren Brown on his app also speaks about Papaji. Young Sam Harris is very lucky to have met a guy like that. Today all we have is podcasts and screen gazing rather than being in the same room as an awakened guy
Female Gurus have been traveling America for two decades. The pandemic shut their touring down. Plus many "ordinary" people can now do it. I am in a non denominational spiritual community in which many have the gift. Many can digitally encode the energy. It is not the form that activates but what is behind the form.
The one that is searching itself is an illusion. No matter how hard he tries, no matter how many years he meditates it is the illusion which is trying. Hence impossible. That which is broken out of this cycle can point this out in ease
This is the error of neo advaita and why this movement failed. It is not about the illusion of the one thst searches, it is about the true self that is revealed during self inquiry. This is completely different. Papaji and his so called descendants Andrew Cohen, Gangaji, Mooji are all cult leaders and charlatans
This comment may come across as a geek comment, like i'm obsessive about Harris, but this observation is from a huge fan of his podcast and his Waking Up book, and i also like Papaji, and, therefore, a noticed this humurous bit of trivia i will like to share before it is eventually confined to oblivion! Years ago Sam posted a clip of what he said about Osho's relentlss eye contact when speaking to you, and how a conmen can look at you and make you think there is a deep wisdom there. In other words, Sam was saying there is nothing to eye staring. In other words, gurus are merely using pary tricks to feed the gullable. But after Sam started talking about Papaji's amazing eyes (in the Derren Brown interview) and subsequent mentionings of the guy like in this video, Sam took down the clip about Osho's eyes. This is fairly nobel and honest of Sam Harris. To go from one of the New Athiests so admitting he was a devotee of a guru is very impressive.
Watch a video of Osho or Papaji and just be silent for a moment and the transmission is possible with a video also. It depends on you. Like is said in Zen, listen and see with your entire body not just the ears or eyes. Then tell me what you see. Emptiness will see Emptiness. Awareness will see Awareness. At the very least- have a good laugh! 🎉 That is truth, godliness and beauty. Satyam Shivam Sundram 🕉
Osho was a psychopathic conman of the worst possible kind, responsible for numerous suicides and causing unestimable harm to countless thousands of people. Many years ago (before his death) I knew and met many of his followers, and every single one of them was deeply psychologically damaged. People who had come from extremely abused backgrounds, to the extent that they had learnt to seek love from an abusive parental figure. This dynamic of a manipulative sociopathic person exploiting damaged people's vulnerability is common, but he really took it to a level few other sociopaths acheive. It would be interesting to know the truth about his early life; whether he became a sociopath as a result of having been abused himself. But I very much suspect that he was in fact born as a full-blown psychopath. Either way, he was definitely 44/44 on the Hare Psychopathy scale.
This is a test; if I write another comment stating the obvious fact Osho was a pure psychopath, will youtube delete this one as well? Edit: all good so far. What if I include this; Osho was unquestionably 44/44 on the Robert Hare Psychopathy scale.
Westerns don’t know about Thiruvanmallai temple …..Spiritual center of milkyway galaxy ….Total philosophy and spirituality of whole earth = 1stone of Thiruvannamalai….Everything about consciousness is started from thiruunnamalai
@@kamalvipul9213 Yes! Ramana is the one to study. Sadhu Om was a real disciple, and did excellent translations. Clearly Papaji changed Ramana's teachings.
Jeezuz Harris hedges his words ... stuttering, skilfully denying the whole reality of devotion and tantric transmission. And yet, even afterwards, he did not/does not choose to investigate/validate ... as a scientist ... THE EXPERIENCES he had had. Harris really holds on to his rational mind. No surrender at all. Too much ego. Also, he never had THE GUTS to sink into a lineage. He thus remains a spiritual dilettante.
He can't do otherwise. He''s made the terrible mistake of linking the material welfare of his family to his being the certain "Sam Harris" that he's famous for. Now he's stuck with _being_ that "Sam Harris" . . .
Sam is in complete denial or another way to say it is that his mind heavily veils the stillness of consciousness. But you can see from his latest podcast with Lex Friedman, he's thoroughly confused about the nature of consciousness and "The Now", but at least he acknowledges that. To all the atheists, who no doubt are still searching for truth, please don't quote him, you'd be making a fool of yourselves. He doesn't even believe what you ascribe to him anymore, but hasn't found a way to come clean to everyone. Because it would be the death of 99% of his work (not even exaggerating).
Spot on.I'm very grateful to Sam for his 'Waking up' book.First book I read on the topic.But he has resistance to the truth.Thats ok,hopefully one day he can break through that.
He is simply a researcher that tries to grasp reality and truth with the mind. That is cool, but has no use for people who seek truth themselves. So I wouldnt bother with what he says about anything too much.
He can't do otherwise. He''s made the terrible mistake of linking the material welfare of his family to his being the certain "Sam Harris" that he's famous for. Now he's stuck with _being_ that "Sam Harris" . . .
i had no time for this Papaji when I found out he has screwed " a devotee" and had a child with her...At this point you know. The second point was watching him and his devotees....this was so cult like...they way they looked up at him in a Woodstock way...slavish and tears in their eyes..this was an emotional overload with no substance
@@Korradreamworld Yes, it turns out that he outright lied to hundreds of people, telling them they were "enlightened" and that "their work was done", (after they had temporary experiences) when at the time he knew full well that he had NOT "enlightened" anybody at all. Here's a transcript: David Godman : "You used to give experiences to a lot of people. Why did you do it if you knew that the effect would not be permanent?" Papaji: "I did it to get rid of the leeches who were sticking to me, never allowing me to rest or be by myself. It was a very good way of getting rid of all these leeches in a polite way." Nothing Ever Happened Vol. 3. by David Godman, p. 362. To me, lying to people by telling them they were enlightened AND also sending dozens of these "enlightened" disciples out as teachers, is cruel, and irresponsible. Not to mention, what kind of "enlightened guru" would call their disciples "leeches"!
As a follower of Advaitha of Ramana Maharshi, I agree totally. Siddhis are deviations from reality that is Brahman and many advanced souls have deviated from the Truth because of this pitfall.
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There are a number of such charismatic teachers. I had heard great things about Neem Karoli Baba.
Ditto Ramana Maharshi who could also put put peopje into samadhi & he also was able to remove all the remaining karmic roadblocks into merging with the absolute.
When he guided his mother into Brahman he saw like a fast forward movie, the last incarnations she would have lived had he not absorbed her karmic barriers to liberation.
Oddly enough he heard what sounded like a loud metallic sound as she merged with tge absolute.
I am going to digress & mention the materials I have studied about the E.Ts called the Pleadians who never mentioned to contactee Bilky Meier=Karma-Grace leading one to SAMADHI.
As an abductee for over 30 years here is my takeaway about this phenomenon.The the E.Ts visiting earth have a skillset more akin to entrepreneurs than saints.
In a galaxy filled with barren worlds earth's genetic diversity is a very rare commodity.This is big business and is the coin of the realm to trade with other planets for their exotic materials like element 115.They want a monopoly without any oversight from the natives.
The E.Ts on the moon mining H3 already have that monopoly.
See Pleadian contactee Billy Meiers material with a narrative by Randolf Winters...hit the video icon.
Finally the state of awareness NO E.TS POSSESS=See Ramana Maharshi Be as You Are Chapter 12 Experience and Samadhi...Sahaja samadhi-the unified field of awareness or Born Again when the ego is destroyed along with its subconscious mind-unconscious mind revealing the superconscious mind 24/7.
I think that Sam's experience with Papaji was so transformational because Papaji's teaching is so divorced from some kind of intellectual understanding of awakening, and it is the simplest of teachings to keep quiet and to follow the stream of consciousness guidance of someone who is so amazingly blissful and alive.
Exactly. Real learning and perceiving are not intellectual exercises.
@@an1rb But there is definitely an interplay there. I find it helps to get wrong or misleading thoughts out of the way.
True, but he never settled in. Just ran back to his intellect-ego zone.
It's not the teaching in that moment. It is the transmission, which validates the teaching.
A self realized master is someone who has gone beyond the mind. Pure awareness and consciousness is the only and greatest true charisma there is. Papaji's eyes are that pure awareness. He is empty of the ego idea, and thats all the ego is.
I sat with Papaji and I can tell you that he was an incredible human being. The peace and silence he spoke of were in full display. ✨️
Remarkable and beautiful being beyond measure. 🕉
Thats all that matters to me, all else is speculation by the mind. Which is the very thing that needs to be dropped.
Then you can see clearly what is.
Papaji or anything else.
I was in the presence of Papaji. I just saw an old man surrounded by fanatic believers, touching his feet, and so on. After “Satsang” there was a marketplace bazaar of devotees selling everything from cool yogi clothes, to massage “therapy”. The marketplace seemed to be made up of new age cool people who were hustling spiritual tourists, like me, selling everything at US dollar prices (in Lucknow, India), so they could live the New Age dream at the feet of their Guru. Maybe I’m just jealous.
What you saw was ultimate truth. Just mumbojumbo being sold for money
Yes, it seemed like just a bunch of fanatic people longing for instant enlgihtenment (and a Daddy figure). Did you happen to feel any "energy" around Papaji?
@@hatebreeder999 There was no "ultimate truth" involved with Poonja.
the king is naked blessed are those who see it!@@lucyhartman1501
Ram Dass pointed out that the Guru is neutral (no one is home) and is a nexus point for whatever one is bringing and open to in that moment. So with his Guru it was the same. One would see-feel light love as great as the sun, radiant. Another would see just an old man on a blanket. Some see the latter but get opened up through being there over some time. I had that experience in India. I needed to be "broken open" but when it happened I was enveloped and immersed in light and love for half an hour and could not move. that one experience made the entire trip worthwhile.
Both Ammas (there is another) and Shivabalayogi, nor my Guru nor Neem Karoli Baba (Ram Dass' Guru) did not charge for darshans. Did Papaji charge you?
It clearly was not your moment, your karma, (causes and conditions) would not allow it, There is no right or wrong, better than or worse in this. It was not meant to happen for you there.
Could you feel this through a video or an audio of Poonjaji I wonder? Or is it only live? I think there might be something in the voice too myself, as with Tolle's voice.
Ganga Mira - who was Papaji's wife - is a great teacher to this day in her own right.
She's a crazy lady. It's quite obvious now.
Brilliant...
Satsang. The company of Reality is everything.
Basic Premise: Presence is your natural state. Pointing out may be helpful, but the pointer isn’t someone to be worshipped. Someday, ordinary teachers will be pointing out presence to ordinary elementary school students. But for some reason we make religions and cults around it, and bow down in worship to it ( presence) and worship those who point it out. People like Papaji know this, the simple ordinariness and utter simplicity of Presence, and yet encourage devotees to worship him. His Graduate followers too, who have become famous teachers, like Mooja “Ji”, are raking in the money and prestige in propagating this lie: that they are special and you need the greatness of their teaching.
wise words. clearly mr. Harris is not able to see it. perhaps does not choose to, bad for business
Ordinary (well not so ordinary) people are doing this all the time now because the ability is innate with everyone. I have watched many blossom with this in the last 20 years. The time is now.
These guys are are depending upon the outward for an inward transformation. It will never happen. I don't care what kind of a presence someone has, or how intelligent they seem or are.
You must look within yourself to become wise and ultimately one with all.
I thought for a minute . . . about posting a comment that just said: "You're being an a*hole". The idea was that if you came back annoyed by it, I'd say "So I've just demonstrated that a personal interaction can transform you _negatively._ Why can't a personal interaction transform you _positively_ (?)"
@@QED_
The interactions we experience are the result of the dualities of this material realm. Every interaction is designed to cause you to evolve spiritually. Why? Because they cause you to introspect, meditate, reflect, look within.
That's a judgment, Often this is a necessary step. The true Guru is God within and will break any attachment when the person is ready.
@kenkaplan3654
That's not a judgement, it's simply the truth.
@@daodejing81 Either the Cosmos is a precise place or it isn't. Either karma and reincarnation are exact or they aren't. "No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place".
If there were no use for teachers like this, they would not appear in the dream. What you say is true but my experience is most people realize it in stages. In 1971 when the Universe through my Guru literally dragged me to him, what you talk about was so far beyond the capacity of nearly everyone. Now that the grid has been laid and anchored by decades of deep work, it is much easier to claim "it is all within, we don't need these people" after an ocean of grace has ben given. It is immensely ungrateful to the teachers that pioneered this all in the west.
There are stages and a place for everything. Years ago, and still today, if you or anyone else was not mentored in some way, by teachers, teachings, books, workshops you name it, the admonition "it's all within" would not amount to jack squat. Most people in the beginning could not find their own anus in terms of deeply, consistently, and authentically accessing what is "within", or even what "it" is or was.
I think maybe mirroring neurones. people mirror each other, when youre around someone who is peaceful you feel it.
If you watch documentaries about people who met Adolf Hitler it is common to hear that they were bowled over by his charisma . In ordinary life so many manipulative/ coercive controlling personalities have charisma .
Papaji had a child with a young devotee when he was well into his 60's - now that takes charisma 🌝.
Well that's how the world goes round 🎉 you wouldn't be here without an orgasim
People can say the same about Jesus. Just an eccentric cultist pedo perhaps?
sweet, thanks for sharing
Sam, was he really that great in person..? We can’t feel it by watching his videos
Strangely, nothing of this charisma comes through to me when viewing any of the Papaji videos. Am I the only one?
For me I can see his charisma but I am not blown over by his presence. Maybe is something that can only be experienced in person, like the difference between watching a video of a concert and being in the concert.
@@m0cker184 Yes, possibly. Thanks for your response!
For me its not about carisma. But i prefer mooji teachings because they are clearer and simpler because mooji is i think better at English
same.and i get repulsion too.
u have to have been in his presence
Sam's interview with Derren Brown on his app also speaks about Papaji. Young Sam Harris is very lucky to have met a guy like that. Today all we have is podcasts and screen gazing rather than being in the same room as an awakened guy
Papaji wasn't "an awakened guy" though.
Female Gurus have been traveling America for two decades. The pandemic shut their touring down. Plus many "ordinary" people can now do it. I am in a non denominational spiritual community in which many have the gift. Many can digitally encode the energy. It is not the form that activates but what is behind the form.
Trasnmission from a living and non living guru is a real thing. I have experiencd in my own sadhna.
great video thanks- what interview is the second clip from? thanks!
From an interview with Andrew Cohen in Sam's "Waking Up" meditation app.
Papaji was enlightened..it is just the ego that denies it
Who said he was "enlightened"? (certainly not Ramana)
The one that is searching itself is an illusion. No matter how hard he tries, no matter how many years he meditates it is the illusion which is trying. Hence impossible. That which is broken out of this cycle can point this out in ease
Truth.
This is the error of neo advaita and why this movement failed. It is not about the illusion of the one thst searches, it is about the true self that is revealed during self inquiry. This is completely different. Papaji and his so called descendants Andrew Cohen, Gangaji, Mooji are all cult leaders and charlatans
The pappaji's energy is the result of sheer practice of Bramhacharya, Meditation and religiousity.
There was no Bramhacharya with him.
He had sex with a young female disciple, and got her pregnant (while he was still married)
wasn't poonjaji married?
@@klaus3579 hahah… then where does bramhacharya come from 😂
good drop on the bramha
@ dheer , Dear,what do you mean by brahmacharya?!? Om namo bagavate Sri Ramanaya
This comment may come across as a geek comment, like i'm obsessive about Harris, but this observation is from a huge fan of his podcast and his Waking Up book, and i also like Papaji, and, therefore, a noticed this humurous bit of trivia i will like to share before it is eventually confined to oblivion!
Years ago Sam posted a clip of what he said about Osho's relentlss eye contact when speaking to you, and how a conmen can look at you and make you think there is a deep wisdom there. In other words, Sam was saying there is nothing to eye staring. In other words, gurus are merely using pary tricks to feed the gullable.
But after Sam started talking about Papaji's amazing eyes (in the Derren Brown interview) and subsequent mentionings of the guy like in this video, Sam took down the clip about Osho's eyes. This is fairly nobel and honest of Sam Harris. To go from one of the New Athiests so admitting he was a devotee of a guru is very impressive.
If you want to feel charisma, shakti and cosmic love meet Mata Amritananda Mayi. Aka Amma the hugging saint
I mentioned her in my comment. I saw her. I have seen Karunamayi over a dozen times.
U will ever be enlightened sam
He is not self realized. İt is 100%. Because İ see this as clearly as any material object. So, one blind cannot lead other blinds.
To whom are you referring to ?
@@khidirney Sam Harris of course!
:)
answer: yes. aka Shaktipat
Watch a video of Osho or Papaji and just be silent for a moment and the transmission is possible with a video also.
It depends on you.
Like is said in Zen, listen and see with your entire body not just the ears or eyes.
Then tell me what you see.
Emptiness will see Emptiness.
Awareness will see Awareness.
At the very least- have a good laugh! 🎉
That is truth, godliness and beauty.
Satyam Shivam Sundram 🕉
Osho was a psychopathic conman of the worst possible kind, responsible for numerous suicides and causing unestimable harm to countless thousands of people.
Many years ago (before his death) I knew and met many of his followers, and every single one of them was deeply psychologically damaged.
People who had come from extremely abused backgrounds, to the extent that they had learnt to seek love from an abusive parental figure.
This dynamic of a manipulative sociopathic person exploiting damaged people's vulnerability is common, but he really took it to a level few other sociopaths acheive.
It would be interesting to know the truth about his early life; whether he became a sociopath as a result of having been abused himself. But I very much suspect that he was in fact born as a full-blown psychopath.
Either way, he was definitely 44/44 on the Hare Psychopathy scale.
This is a test; if I write another comment stating the obvious fact Osho was a pure psychopath, will youtube delete this one as well?
Edit: all good so far.
What if I include this; Osho was unquestionably 44/44 on the Robert Hare Psychopathy scale.
Love to have been able to see this guy debate U.G... not a chance
ohhhh you drop the Ma picture !
UG Krishnamurthi????
Haha i was thinking about ug saying these westerner thinks some dude on Himalayan have the answer
Sam is brilliant
No he is not. He was given a great prize but was too dense to hold on to it.
@@VedantaKesari What prize is that?
@@markreadin7124 God.
@@VedantaKesari his silly arrogant mind is in the way;)
Westerns don’t know about Thiruvanmallai temple …..Spiritual center of milkyway galaxy ….Total philosophy and spirituality of whole earth = 1stone of Thiruvannamalai….Everything about consciousness is started from thiruunnamalai
So instead of listening to Sam's podcast, and putting in the hours and weeks, we can find an enlightened man like Papaji. This feels a bit ironic.
Papaji wasn't enlightened
@@lucyhartman1501 well what I meant was that the power Sam Harris argued Paps had we can benefit from instead of spending weeks meditating
I’d go with the teaching of Papaji’s master/guru; Ramana Maharshi, check the books with translation by Sadhu Om.
@@kamalvipul9213 Yes! Ramana is the one to study. Sadhu Om was a real disciple, and did excellent translations. Clearly Papaji changed Ramana's teachings.
@@lucyhartman1501 Suzuki Roshi (and many other sages) said: There are no enlightened beings; but there is enlightenment...
Jeezuz Harris hedges his words ... stuttering, skilfully denying the whole reality of devotion and tantric transmission. And yet, even afterwards, he did not/does not choose to investigate/validate ... as a scientist ... THE EXPERIENCES he had had.
Harris really holds on to his rational mind. No surrender at all. Too much ego. Also, he never had THE GUTS to sink into a lineage. He thus remains a spiritual dilettante.
He can't do otherwise. He''s made the terrible mistake of linking the material welfare of his family to his being the certain "Sam Harris" that he's famous for. Now he's stuck with _being_ that "Sam Harris" . . .
@@QED_
Yep! Most pleb people do this every day, but once you go famous and on-line, any hope of humility is OVER. Lol at Harris.
@@thedolphin5428 Right. It's always been an issue, but (as you say) on-line dynamics magnify it drastically . . .
I have problems with sam when he says project
Where does the first clip come from?
It's an hour long subscriber extra on his website - www.samharris.org/podcasts/subscriber-extras/waking-up-video
@@darkmana1000 Thank you.
@@darkmana1000 and the second part?
being in the presence of an enlighten being is fucking kray. ur a lucky person if u able to find such a person
Sheeesh. There is so much wrong with this. I really just can't . . .
Sam is in complete denial or another way to say it is that his mind heavily veils the stillness of consciousness. But you can see from his latest podcast with Lex Friedman, he's thoroughly confused about the nature of consciousness and "The Now", but at least he acknowledges that. To all the atheists, who no doubt are still searching for truth, please don't quote him, you'd be making a fool of yourselves. He doesn't even believe what you ascribe to him anymore, but hasn't found a way to come clean to everyone. Because it would be the death of 99% of his work (not even exaggerating).
Spot on.I'm very grateful to Sam for his 'Waking up' book.First book I read on the topic.But he has resistance to the truth.Thats ok,hopefully one day he can break through that.
He is simply a researcher that tries to grasp reality and truth with the mind. That is cool, but has no use for people who seek truth themselves. So I wouldnt bother with what he says about anything too much.
He can't do otherwise. He''s made the terrible mistake of linking the material welfare of his family to his being the certain "Sam Harris" that he's famous for. Now he's stuck with _being_ that "Sam Harris" . . .
i had no time for this Papaji when I found out he has screwed " a devotee" and had a child with her...At this point you know. The second point was watching him and his devotees....this was so cult like...they way they looked up at him in a Woodstock way...slavish and tears in their eyes..this was an emotional overload with no substance
Not theaching not charisma, just result
In sitting with Papaji you simply wake up. Whether you ground that awakening and embody pure consciousness is your choice.
No. He said “I can give people temporary experiences, but I can’t make it stick”
Nobody “awakened” with Papaji.
@@clearseeing5755 Didn't he just say exactly that :) a temporary awakening is still that.
Nobody "woke up" with Papaji. He said "I only gave lolipops to the leeches, so they'd get off my back". He was a fraud guru
@@lucyhartman1501 thats fascinating, he actually said that?
@@Korradreamworld Yes, it turns out that he outright lied to hundreds of people, telling them they were "enlightened" and that "their work was done", (after they had temporary experiences) when at the time he knew full well that he had NOT "enlightened" anybody at all.
Here's a transcript:
David Godman : "You used to give experiences to a lot of people. Why did you do it if you knew that the effect would not be permanent?"
Papaji: "I did it to get rid of the leeches who were sticking to me, never allowing me to rest or be by myself. It was a very good way of getting rid of all these leeches in a polite way."
Nothing Ever Happened Vol. 3. by David Godman, p. 362.
To me, lying to people by telling them they were enlightened AND also sending dozens of these "enlightened" disciples out as teachers, is cruel, and irresponsible. Not to mention, what kind of "enlightened guru" would call their disciples "leeches"!
A wise teacher will never use siddhis...
Not necessarily.
@@vish2553 …certainly not to control others.
It's siddhi not siddha .siddha is who possesses siddhi
@@absharma947 Thank you! I’ve been corrected on the use of those terms before 🤦♀️…yet my comment remains true! ☺️🙏🌷
As a follower of Advaitha of Ramana Maharshi, I agree totally. Siddhis are deviations from reality that is Brahman and many advanced souls have deviated from the Truth because of this pitfall.
Unemployed behavior.