Reality Plus | David Chalmers & Swami Sarvapriyananda
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- Dr. David J. Chalmers is the Professor of Philosophy and Neural Science and co-director of the Center for Mind, Brain, and Consciousness at the New York University. He is the author of several books including his latest publication: Reality+: Virtual Worlds and the Problems of Philosophy.
In this engaging conversation, Swami Sarvapriyananda and Dr. Chalmers discuss ancient and modern perspectives on consciousness.
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Vedanta is one of the world’s most ancient religious philosophies and one of its broadest. Based on the Vedas, the sacred scriptures of India, Vedanta affirms the oneness of existence, the divinity of the soul, and the harmony of religions.
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Two 21 century giants one from science and one from religion working together to bring a philosophy to the world that leads to love compassion and peace. Thank you
Well put 🙏
Dharma is not religion. Religion considers all authority to rest with divine revelations
@@kafiruddinmulhiddeen2386 you're right. Dharma is beyond religion incomparably
@@kafiruddinmulhiddeen2386 And very orthodox hindus believe that the Vedas were divinely revealed and thus should never be doubted. They would also probably include that under Dharma, which would make it religious according to them. My own definition of Dharma, as of now, would be a verifiable truth which liberates.
@@innerfire81 only mimamsa darshana believes Vedas are apaurushey (not man made). Pratyaksha pramana (direct evidence) is the highest mode of evidence in all darshanas. The lost Hindus even believe in secondary sources being “scripture”. It is a result of a 1000 year discontinuity in thought and Christian and Islamic pressure. For eg the need to be considered people of the book to avoid persecution
Swami Sarvapriyananda is right now a perfect Vedanta teacher available on the internet. Pranam 🙏
acharya prashant also be one good
@@bossapple3438 yeah in Hindi acharya Prashant is best...
K S maheswaran, a sringeri math scholar also.
@@bossapple3438 please post respective links with regards to this deep level of consciousness studies and as how Swami Sarvapriyananada puts it "from It to Chit" please. Thank you, please and blessings with you. Hari Aum 🙏
@@bossapple3438 yes.
What could be the better than this conversation.... Perfect Sunday booster 😀 Pranam to both legends🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
True
Agreed
Consciousness can exist removing all content, but what remains finally as content is consciousness itself. The consciousness as observer is the content and due to self referencing, the observed becomes the observer and issue of content does not arise.
The question does not arise when the questioner, question and answer are in superposition onto itself
What have been proclaimed in Vedaas, more than 5000 years back, now scientifically beeing established. This great effort by Swamy Sarvapriyanand & Proff.
David Chalmers will enlighten all.
Pranams to both.
Krishna D
Charmer is very lucky to have sarvapriyananda
This moment shines above the pyramids. Swami Sarvapriyananda and Professor Chalmers, thank you!!!
Two legends speak with such mutual respect and humility, so much for us to learn from their knowledge and their personal demeanour.
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practice of bhakti is beyond all this as declared by the master Himself Krishna in Bhagavad Gita of which Swami and Prof lean upon. Trust Bhakti which takes more courage than mere intelligent conversation. It challenges one's integrity and courage for a deeper transformation that's alters anyone to compassion simply melting away all ignorance. This is even admitted by Swami Sarvapriyananada
Bg. 18.66
Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.
Bg 9.2
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.
Bg 5.4
Only the ignorant speak of devotional service [karma-yoga] as being different from the analytical study of the material world [Sāṅkhya]. Those who are actually learned say that he who applies himself well to one of these paths achieves the results of both.
Bg 5.7
Compassion:
One who works in devotion, who is a pure soul, and who controls his mind and senses is dear to everyone, and everyone is dear to him. Though always working, such a man is never entangled.
Bg 4.3
O sinless Arjuna, I have already explained that there are two classes of men who try to realize the self. Some are inclined to understand it by empirical, philosophical speculation, and others by devotional service
The whole of Chapter 13 and 15 will also clarify this that knowledge practiced in devotion of spirituality and devotion is king 🙏
@@jshdhdyjfjdjfhfyyene731 THIS
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson thank you. I'm interested in knowing which appeals most here please
@@jshdhdyjfjdjfhfyyene731 Absolutely everything
This is how I started my day, listening to this wonderful talk. Shravana Mañana nidhiyasana
Nidhidhyasana
It's something amazing when you are very interested in philosophy of two totally different guys. Then surprisingly see both of them together, and you realize they know each other very well.
I know right
Researched a segment recently and this comment is very true. They bounce of each other like gentle rivers merging together as one :-)
Amazing how often this happens
Wow! The first i heard of David Chalmers was from Swami Ji’s talks
Dr Chalmers could really advance his thinking if he studied with Swami. I'm surprised he doesn't know more about advaita. It goes much farther with more precise language than his system of thought. Swami is so patient.
You're right
Mr. Chalmers actually completely destroyed him with the arguments.
@@antimaterialworld2717 How so ("destroyed")?
@@dialogos585 well he proposes many different arguments which Swami could not adress therefore he avoided it. For example Mr. Chalmers said that ultimate reality can be either our conscoiusness expanded...or different consciousness like that of God. He personally was more inclined towards the latter which is more logical. But Swami avoided second option and only talked about first.
@@antimaterialworld2717 good point. I noticed that too and assumed it was because they were short on time. I would have liked to hear a response to that too.
What a privilege to listen to two great minds. My humble Pranam and gratitude. Swamiji thank you for your profound wisdom and teaching. Eternally grateful.
Good morning from India...
It is a great start... Swamiji makes sunday very special.
🙏🙏
You've Mentioned Mr. Charmers in Almost All Your Seminars & Talks. What A Treat To Actually See/Meet Him In CyberSpace. Ha Ha!! The New Normal. Holograms
Thank You Swamiji .
Namaskaram.
❤❤❤❤
As a western "skeptic" (used to call myself "materialist", but my thought on consciousness have made me rethink if that is a accurate word or not) i have always found indian religions to have extremely interesting philosophy.
Westerners also have interesting ancient philosophy (greek), but it was never baked into religion in the same way. There are many parallels between indian and greek philosophy, but i find it very interesting that the indians took that philosophy into their religion, which is why it has survived so long. Westerners forgot most of the greek philosophy until it was "rediscovered" in the renaissance.
We cannot crack vedant using a third person perspective just like we do in science. Spirituality is the most personal.
Yes
It is quite impressive to observe Prof.Chalmers’s openness to the many views about consciousness with out being adamant. And also the strong convictions of Swami ji’s about advaita Vedanta.
Openness in this context is sign of purified Jnanayog. Almost as if Prof is in a meditative state throughout and thus is a foundation of the conversations
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LMAO, he is quite adamant when he says that consciousness is absolutely real. He never gives any consideration to the possibility that consciousness is unreal, a subtle appearance of Maya.
THIS WAS A WONDERFUL DISCUSSION!!! I've been listening to Swami for several years, now... always a treat!
I hope David has a conversation with
DR BERNARDO KASTRUP one day, too!
Pronaams!🙏 Namaskaars to all!🙏
Pranam swami ji
Wonderful discussion on consciousness. Very rroted and profound questions by Swamiji. Replies by Prof Chalmers contained many 'may be's and 'something' and 'somehow' etc. Most of the questions contained the answers. Swamiji was very lucid and sympathetic.
Yes I agree. Modern academia has no answers for consciousness, but the Hindu sages figured it out 10k years ago
@@sakshiananda5114 I do agree that the answers are not there in the modern sciences but I disagree that the sages (or anyone) ever "figured it out." I would even say that in Advaita a sage would tell you that it can't be figured out as it is the thing in itself. The figuring happens within it and therefore can't be of it.
@@PuBearsticks Yes true, they have figured out that it's unfigure outable, it is far beyond the mind the mind being an object appearing to/in the Self. But they can describe accurately quite a bit about it. For instance, neti neti, and the fact that the Self is pervaded by Satcitananda just as fire is inherently pervaded by heat.
There is a higher mind/intelligence however, beyond the manamaya kosha.
@@sakshiananda5114 practice of bhakti is beyond all this as declared by the master Himself Krishna in Bhagavad Gita of which Swami and Prof lean upon. Trust Bhakti which takes more courage than mere intelligent conversation. It challenges one's integrity and courage for a deeper transformation that's alters anyone to compassion simply melting away all ignorance. This is even admitted by Swami Sarvapriyananada
Bg. 18.66
Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.
Bg 9.2
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.
Bg 5.4
Only the ignorant speak of devotional service [karma-yoga] as being different from the analytical study of the material world [Sāṅkhya]. Those who are actually learned say that he who applies himself well to one of these paths achieves the results of both.
Bg 5.7
Compassion:
One who works in devotion, who is a pure soul, and who controls his mind and senses is dear to everyone, and everyone is dear to him. Though always working, such a man is never entangled.
Bg 4.3
O sinless Arjuna, I have already explained that there are two classes of men who try to realize the self. Some are inclined to understand it by empirical, philosophical speculation, and others by devotional service
The whole of Chapter 13 and 15 will also clarify this that knowledge practiced in devotion of spirituality and devotion is king.
@@jshdhdyjfjdjfhfyyene731 Beautiful, thank you for your comment. Hari Om Tat Sat
In tantric philosophy the individual awareness consciousness is an extention of a deeper level of consciousness that is non-dual. The tattvas explain it pretty well
I heard Reality+ on Audible. Its very deep and profound but ultimately Swamiji raised all the points I had concluded with, and he raised some more afterall he's an Acharya!
I look forward to Seamiji's new lecture: It (from Bit) from Chit. Superb!
Absolutely delighted to watch this conversation. Atlast got to hear from Prof. Charmers, whom Swamiji has always been quoting in every lecture of his.
Swamiji always mentioned Prof Chalmers, so nice to watch this discussion! Recently I was having a dream where I was viewing a childhood photograph of a person whom I only known as an adult. The photograph in my dream was a black and white and the person I saw was roughly 4/5 year-old in the picture; where he was sitting (in a pose) in the steps of a front porch of a house that appeared like those from the the 70s. Upon waking up I was simply mesmerized by the sheer power of the mind to invent an appearance of reality that is so consistent and well orchestrated. I am intrigued by the fact that consciousness can seamlessly project a world which is hard to distinguish on the basis of conventional notion of reality. One thing that blew me away in the dream was that the person whom I have only known as an adult appeared a 4/5 year-old with all the resemblance to the older individual I know but as a child. That is beyond my normal capability to age slide an individual - more like computer programs do that. I think consciousness is the only reality at play.
MaybeBut in your dream you can never become a small child or boy Any dreamer can be only anadult
@@thyagarajant.r.3256 but remember that there is no me in the dream. The wakeful me and dream me are wholly different. Anyway , in my dream shared above, it was someone else who appeared as a child in a dream photo.
@@bobsmart8302 The you is there throughout. Waking and dreaming are states that revolve. The Self is the witness and is constant.
Wonderful comment, very insightful 🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️
Would love to add you on my Facebook, if you wish so❤️
The Swami's example of light in empty space for unmanifest consciousness appears stunningly apt 👌👌traditional Advaita points to unmanifest consciousness as deep sleep state
Deep sleep and un manifest consciousness are not the same thing.. Sorry.. Read mandukya upanishad.. Unmanifest consciousness is turiya
What a beautiful synchronisation with two giants on consciousness studies, it seems as if they could talk for lives coming to deeper levels of peace, unity, compassion. Wonderful thank you 🙏
Another great definition of consciousness quoted by Swami Sarvapriyananda given by Yagyavalkya ‘Not this, Not this’ ‘Neiti Neiti’ in Brihadaranyak Upanishad 👏👏👏👏👏
Wonderful to finally see the consciousness of Professor Chalmers - Swami Sarvapriyananda always, always makes a reference to him in his talks! Thank you
Too good, Swami and Professor. Professor's eyes appear deeply meditative
I've been waiting for this discussion a long time. Very thoughtful exchange. This better not be a dream.
I've been dying to listen to this discourse for last many years
Wonderful to see these two speaking to each other
I wish Swamiji has a talk like this w prof Brian Green and also Prof Brian Cox too will be awesome
I’m so happy for swami that he gets to do this. And I’m glad we can all enjoy this treat.
This has created history today
Thank you Professor chalmers.
Wow..Swamiji has been referencing Prof. Chalmers for so many years. So fortunately to be able to see them together 🙏
great to see both together 🤩
"I am. And there is thinking."
- Ram Dass
Maharajji 🙏🏼Swami Sarvapriyananda ji🙏🏼❤️
Beautiful conversation! And very much looking forward to the next installment .....
Pranam Swamiji
Thank you, sir.
Thank you! ❤🙏
This is an amazing conversation between two amazing beings
Yes! New Swami video! ❤
Awesome.. it was about time we had this talk..
Sarvapriyananda is brilliant to listen to, I always watch his videos, several times. I had never heard of David, but he was delightful to listen to also, his passion is beautiful. From the way David speaks, I feel he hasn't experienced Oneness, David if you read this, very unlikely I know, but if you do, please work on 'not doing', if you can experience Oneness then because of your position it would make for a revolutionary shift, enabling universities to teach this subject from experience much like engineering etc. Although to those who are being taught, it will still seem like a philosophical idea, but still perhaps your position will give it some weight for a few years.
I fear that if he supported Oneness that he would lose the respect of his colleagues, since academia is very hostile to the notion of God this day and age(Kaliyug)
@@sakshiananda5114 Yes, you are absolutely right. But he wouldn't be ostracised immediately, and his apparent authority would provide a vehicle to spread truth albeit briefly. After all that is the only reason we are here.
@@pdigrazi Certainly, the only honest statements can come from ones own direct experience. Even in everyday life, if you go to court, and you are put on the stand and are asked, "did you see a red car", well the answer is either yes or no, and based purely on your direct experience of seeing it or not seeing it.
I made no suggestion of David changing to a vedantic belief. You see, when someone has direct experience they don't say belief, they know. There is one peak on the mountain, but many paths, Oneness is at the peak, it is even mentioned in the bible, but I was not into religions, I saw how the various churches behaved and questioned "how can this be religion", I was a staunch atheist until my direct experience, it has nothing to do with vedanta, christianity etc because I know they are just paths to the same peak.
@@pdigrazi Indeed there are as many paths to God as there are Jivas incarnate. However I have noticed that post modern academic philosiphers have not investegated Vedanta enough to "get it", to have it click, perhaps. The fact is that there is a Reality to this field, it's not just speculation and theory as they make it out to be. So, it's everyone's ego choice on their path. I'll walk with the sannyasa's.
@@bronsonstone725 Perhaps yes indeed. Would be positive in my view. Jai Gurudev
Enriching...🙏
No words to describe. Excellent
Please do more of these!
Thank you for going overtime.
Brilliant, I was waiting for this.
I was pleasantly surprised to see both of them together. Swamiji used to reference David chalmers in his talks.
Music to my ears... 🎼🎶🎸
It was very interesting conversation very enlightening
Swamiji 🙏. Thank you for this video
What a wonderful conversation , both of them are gifted minds and yet patiently listening to each other, compare that with how journalists interact with experts , constantly interjecting and interrupting , repeatedly trying to put and get words in out of their mouth. This whole conversational is so enlightening after listening to those interviews where are the experts speak less the journalists
Most waited talks for me ,
One of the most brilliant discussions on reality. Please have another discussion session between these two great philosophers. 🙏🏽
Here Here! Indeed another wonderful discussion is needed. As Arjuna puts it; "I am never satiated in hearing about You, for the more I hear the more I want to taste the nectar of Your words." You ofcourse referring to Consciousness Awareness Bliss, the Ultimate supreme truth Paramatma, Brahman, Bhagavan (the Supreme Personality of Godhead) 🙏🕉🙏
Most awaited discussion. 🙏🙏🙏👍👍👍
it from bit from chit - brilliant discussion by two greats on the subject of consciousness! Thank you.
Wonderful! I'm so grateful that content like this is available. Thanks to you!!
Thanks a lot for this wonderful session 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾. Pranams.
Wonderful!
I really appreciate your work. I wish there will be more cooperation like this👍👍👍
I love this exchange of west and east ideas by you💡
Brilliant Conversation !
This is Incredible !
This is what... i was waiting for..thank you so much... wonderful way to start a Sunday morning 🙏☀️
Nice to see Professor Chalmers being open to the possibility that consciousness may go beyond the personal and be the ground of everything. Also, I'm glad that Chalmers brought up the fact that there are even Western philosophers questioning what the deep nature of matter actually is. Some of them are not shy say in offering mind or consciousness as the candidate.
Also, nice to see that Chalmers is unafraid to consider the alternative, as well...that there could be a world outside of consciousness. Chalmers isn't beholden to a fixed view. I wished Panpsychism had come up, as Chalmers has defended a version of it.
As for Swami Sarvapriyananda, I'm glad he mentioned not only Advaita Vedanta, but also Samkhya, Buddhism, Nyaya / Vaisheahika, and and Charvaka. And I am especially glad to hear Swamiji point out that Advaita Vedanta (Shankara) took pains to refute the subjective idealism of Vijnanavada Buddhism. Many Vedantins hear all about Maya and Avidya and assume that Shankara thought the world was a mere figment of the imagination. He did not. He refuted that.
I would also recommend to anyone not that familiar with either Swami Sarvapriyananda or David Chalmers to watch more of Swamiji's lectures and read whatever you can get your hands on from Chalmers, including his new book. Not even 1/8 of Chalmers' rigorous brilliance was on display. Same goes for Swamiji.
Wonderful session and very nice to listen to both the legends.
Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna
Pronam to both of you
What a time to be alive.
Much awaited talk. Next one should be Eckart Tolle. Thank you Swamiji
Absolutely!!!
Pranam.Enriched.
Shared this immediately with our university learned society. A very valuable conversation, both for scholars and researchers.
At 46:25 when Prof. Says "My consciousness is bigger than what I know", reminded of Astavakra Gita (2.15): in reality knowledge, the knowable, and the knower do not exist. Referring ofcourse to Bhagavad Gita chapter 13
Great conversation/discussion - thank-you both!🙏🙏
Finally!!!!
This is like the new avengers movie. Om so excited.
🙏 Maharaj..... Just thrilled 🥰
I love to hear swami sarpriyanand Regards GsRawat India
1.05.17 hours of pure engaging. talk between two masters! Superb!
@@halcyon2864 we are not egoistic
Respect every hard working person
Thank you
Loved this so much. Swami is a true teacher. Brilliant. We are so luck to hear his words.
Pronam swamiji 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Great definition of consciousness by Chalmers as ‘Being’ 👏👏👏👏👏
Pranaam...
Sunny Special Sunday.... 🙏🙏
One of the best conversation I have ever listened. Thank you for uploading this conversation.
Pronam to both of you Maharaj Alokanjali Chattaraj.
God speaks through heart 💓. Touching and inspiring. Swamiji is always great
WOOO......GREAT.. I ALWAYS WANTED CHALMERS INTO THE SHOW
Love Love love 😇❤🙏🏾
excellent debate on 'consciousness' in the poem👌
This is out of the world!
I have listened to them separately. Having both discuss is great gift to all sadhakas. Thank you for this treatise.
We Love You With All Our Might
Swamiji❤
More engagement please....No more Qualia, zombies...Chidananada rupah shivoham shivoham.
Looking forward to more such intense conversations between these great minds..thanks a ton..
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