I think the biggest problem with GT is it didn't have a manga when it was created. When DB, DBZ, and even DBS was created they already had manga. It sorted acted like a script and outline to the show. GT didn't have those. Toriyama was hit up after DBZ ended and was requested to make a follow up show. That being said, GT was Toriyama attempt at just winging it. It doesn't seem important, but that is a crucial fact. Dragon Ball and DBZ manga acted like an outline of a story he been planning out for a while. Any good story writer or content writer knows that the outline is a big help. There is a manga set for it now, but those were published after the show ended. It explains why the show doesn't have as big of an impact or make a good lasting impression like the other shows in the franchise. It's because of this I have love and respect for GT, but can also admit it's not the best. Don't get me wrong, it's still my favorite cause it's the one I grew up watching on TV.
@@dmnapier7Toriyama wrote Dr Slump before he even made Dragon Ball. Dr Slump was made from 1980 - 1984. Dragon Ball ran from 1984 - 1995. GT aired from 1996 - 1997, at that time Toriyama was mainly doing oneshots like Neko Majin and short manga like Cowa & Kajika.
@javaughndouglas3641 dragon Ball aired during that time but it's manga was already out. Ah, I see. The point stands though. He wasn't hands on with GT. It was more of Toei continuing the franchise for profit. GT is more of Toriyma's step child, but he still loved the show himself. For the time in which it came out, GT did an excellent job. It wasn't created by the original creator, but still did a good job telling a story and introducing some interesting concepts. Like SS4, Baby, and concept of the shadow dragons. I'm willing to bet if Toriyama also helped and gave it some more assistance than he did, the show would've been great.
The one thing I always found weird in the Baby arc was Elder Kai just randomly knowing of ssj4 existence and just casually name dropping it. Yes he's been around for awhile but alot of that was in a sword and to know about something so specific in 1 certain race whilst never bothering to inform the saiyans prior to baby just felt off to me. The fact he says 4 implies that 1, 2 and 3 existed prior to the story showing us. We get no sort of story as to the previous ssj4 and what even happened to him, especially when to achieve ssj4 you literally have to gain self control over the unstable Golden Oozaru. So it couldn't be through self destruction like the legendary ssj. Both ssj and in Suoer with God there was a short explanation on what happened but ssj4? Nope... I would've preferred if instead Elder Kai knew of the Golden Oozaru form only and was hinting to that, and how he keeps most of the information about the form a secret because how dangerously unstable the form is. That as they give Goku back his tail Elder Kai withholds in how gaining his tail back will make him stronger to hide the dark truth. Goku then achieves ssj4 through instead of giving into saiyan brutality and violence it's through his Earthling kindness and self control. Showing us that the saiyan brutality and violent nature that got everyone into this mess will not solve the problem, but the ways of the new generation of saiyans peace will in fact solve the problem.
GT feels like a shitty fan series 😂 GT fans are like Goten fans…. there’s only about 10 of them out there and all 10 of them have an impressive levels of delusion.
If we not talking about manga and only considering anime with all bad pacing and filler stuff it's gonna be like that: Daima > DB > DBZ > GT > Super If we switch for manga versions for DB, DBZ, and Super it's gonna be: DB > DBZ > Daima > Super > GT
@33:50: Toriyama had input in it and has acknowledged it as a side/alternate story for the Z anime. The canon argument in 2024 is redundant when the author himself isn’t constant wit things that’s happened in the series
You really pulled up just to quickly tell a lie. Toriyama’s only input in it was the ssj4 design, which happens to be the only good thing about the series. Also, writing flaws in the canon series doesn’t make GT canon, what kind of logic is that, jesus christ, lmao.
He has been very consistent wirth GT not being canon. When asked he basically said "the fans can choose" making it automatically non canon as canon in DB has always been "official to the official continuity." In 2018 Shueshia and bird studios (who was being run by Toriyama) did an entire canon tour to discuss what is canon (the first time they ever used the word). The manga (volumes 1-42), Jacos manga, DB minus, FnF movie and DBS Broly movie are all canon. That's it and the 2 movies only because they didn't have full manga adaptions. No anime, no GT, no movies. GT is not and has never been canon. We KNOW what the actual canon is, casuals just aren't up for doing some actual research.
1:11 I always say this, but if certain beloved things from Z were introduced in GT or Super, those things would’ve been widely panned, because you wouldn’t decorate them with nostalgia anymore. Imagine if the two kids (Goten/Trunks) first reached SSJ in GT or Super. Imagine the lashings if GT or Super Goku gave Cell a senzu bean. The 5 people defending that scene would stop. On the contrary, if the sliding Kamehameha was in Z, people would’ve felt obligated to love Kefla just like people love Bojack because of one iconic scene.
Super sucked cause there was no danger at all. Zamasu just got wiped at the end with a deus ex machina, and the tournament of power didn’t matter at all either bc everyone got saved.
Dude, it’s Dragonball, you already know everything’s going to be ok by the end. The name of the show is a Des ex machina. Imagine having a personal lifeline to god and not having him help you out. You don’t think it’s interesting to see THE GOD of the DB universe wipe out an impossibly broken villain who’s doing crimes worthy of a divine erasure? Of course they can’t use that every time but Zamasu definitely warranted a Zeno interruption. The tournament absolutely mattered because now you have an expanded universe of content to mine. Why introduce something that cool and interesting just to kill everyone off in one arc? The tournament arguably had the best ending it could have.
Did you want everyone to die at the end of the buu saga or the Earth to get blown up in the cell saga or Frieza just blowing up Earth or king piccolo ruling over Earth?
Super has no tension right now, until it passes the TB where Goku met Oob. That's why GT could do it. Daima also has no stakes because we know they'll be fine. That doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme though. If you watched the anime after reading the manga then it has no stakes. Doesn't make it any less exciting.
@@teeboz6237 Not to mention how Goku and co are friends with the 2 strongest beings in the universe, one of whom can rewind time when the moment calls
@toxicrepeter8607 There's a massive duration on how often Whis can rewind time, plus they hardly mess with mortal affairs so being friends with them hardly matters. Whis won't rewind time whenever it's deemed necessary. He's only ever done it that one time, and that was mainly to teach Goku a lesson.
@@firionkaiser8291 If they hardly press with mortal affairs Whis should have never protected Goku and co in RoF to begin with, he barely knew them and Freeza even begged to not intervene. Its really lame how he can solve the arc within seconds but doesn't because he doesn't feel like it or they didn't notify him in time, but I guess its not as bad as the Zeno button.
Edit: Proceed to the replies with caution, mentally ill GT fans (i repeat, mentally ill, unhinged, completely weird GT fans) started a war over an anime opinion. Ya’ll certainly doing Sage a favor by proving his point about the toxicity of GT fans. As soon as someone dares to call GT average (which was still generous of me), ya’ll immediately zerg out. Even screeching at him for “being a hater” in other comments after he spent 34 minutes to talk about things he dislikes AND likes. There is certainly something wrong with your brains ngl. No wonder ya’ll like an oversexualized minor in your shows. My favorite comment of all time about GT was when a guy claimed it was peak because he watched a lot of TH-cam shorts about it. Like, bruh, lmao. Peak series because there are about 30 good, less than a minute long shorts about it. There is literally 0% chance someone actually sat down, watched it during the last 10 years and say even that its overall above average.
As someone who watched GT as a kid and rewatched the series just over a year ago, I can say that it honestly isn’t that. Or at least it’s not as bad as some people like to say it is. I think the majority of people that dunk on GT are those that either haven’t seen it or just prefer Super. I think it had some very questionable decisions writing wise and the first arc of the show is definitely its weakest imo. I really do think the first arc is a big reason why some people hate GT. It’s really not the best opener for a series following up after the Buu saga. But the show definitely redeems itself when Baby is introduced. He’s one of my all time favourite villains. Awesome concept, amazing design, linking back to old Dragon Ball Z with the idea of the tuffles. Baby is just cool imo. And do I even need to mention SSJ4. Idk I think anyone that hasn’t watched GT but loves Dragon Ball should at the very least give it a chance. Like I’m not gonna go over every reason why I personally enjoy it but like I said I don’t think it deserves hate. At the end of the day it still feels like a love letter to both Z and OG dragon ball. Even if that love letter is a bit messy at times haha! Edit: GT Pan was hella annoying tho I can’t lie
@@BiggaVeli-u5j Or. You know. No one said people aren’t allowed to enjoy things. Stop making things up in your head just to argue about something. Dragon Ball isn’t seen as peak writing inside the fandom either, Z is still the most famous and influential anime and created the formula for other mangas and animes that came after it. GT on the other hand is objectively not good. People are still allowed to enjoy it for whatever reason obviously.
33:57 we’re not gonna sit here and act like super fans aren’t toxic as well and technically, if you wanna be technical all of super, and the manga is non-Canon the only things that are canon are the movies made by Tama hence why they are very inconsistent with the manga and anime the movies act like the manga and anime don’t even exist
Don't just call out super fans. The majority of the dB fan base hate on gt and its fans. And they deserve it. Gt fans are just straight up toxic to anyone who doesnt like gt. They instantly start to call you a hater without giving any good arguments. They also switch to hating on super anytime someone criticises their show. Atleast the majority of the fan base can actually give good arguments as to why they think gt is trash. GT fans are just annoying asl.
I genuinely believe if they redid GT, like GT, not daima, it could be pretty good. Edit: I'm feeling some passive-aggressiveness for Daima from you Sage😂 On the note of how the tone shifts throughout GT Its like an ADHD kids wet dream because personally it never bothered me.
@@ahmadazem4167 Kid Boo was not a good design lol. It was a shrunk version of a previous one as someone said. Cell's perfect form is definitely inferior to his first form also. Less menacing, the voice change, his more human side coming out ETC. Freeza is the only one Toriyama did transformations right with.
To me Super and GT aint better than Z, but I'd never sit there and say any are ass or mid maybe because i genuinely enjoy anything dragon ball but it was something new for the time that was enjoyed by many maybe not the whole fanbase but GT had a special place in some our hearts, I'm 20 glad i grew up with all things dragon ball
If someone thinks it sucks then that’s their opinion. Maybe the bad they saw in GT was worse than what they saw in super? I just think that it’s annoying to say stuff like this because you should just keep your opinion to yourself if you’re going to just assume something about many people you don’t even know.
I see it the same way you do, Sage: Good concepts, terrible execution. Based on what I've heard, Daima literally is GT 2.0/Canon GT. I don't think they'll do SSJ4 because that literally wouldn't make any sense, considering it's before Super. GT may be ass to some, but Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku is a beautiful theme song that feels so unique to GT. Someday, I'll watch GT. Maybe when Daima ends? Idk.
Sage: I don’t hate GT *posts 3 videos back to back hating on GT* Why does it bother y’all that people enjoy the series? Lmao. You’ll never watch a Saiyan Scholar video yet will watch Big Tune (who gets called out in his own comment section) because yall share similar takes
why do you care so much he doesnt like a show you like? sounds like youre the one whos mad. he already said in the video he doesnt care if you like it or not, you can like something that is bad
0:00 I gotta say the super 17 arc was ass but it somehow contributed to DBGT's goated ending, which isn't saying much because the show could've achieve the same thing without the Super 17 arc. What am I talking about? In the Super 17 arc because of the chaos that Dr. Gero and Miu caused in hell it caused characters who were dead to not have halo's anymore. So when we fast forward to the fight with Omega Shenron and Goku is powering the spirit bomb. You remember when Goku suddenly was capable of tanking Omega Shenron's attack in weakened based? Yeah, he ACTUALLY died in that scene but since the process of death was messed up cuz of what happened in the Super 17 arc, Goku had no halo. So he never tanked the attacks, he DIED! But he was still able to keep it pushing until the end and throw the spirit bomb at Omega Shenron. It's also why Pan found Goku's clothes, even though we just saw him peace out with the Dragon. It's cuz he was dead. Is there something that doesn't make any sense in this theory? Well it's GT, a whole lot of it didn't make any sense lol. Still to me... That makes the ending so much more impactful.
That’s literally most of his content, reacting to takes he disagrees with. Can you tourist GT glazers either watch more than 1 video of his or doing everyone a favor and disappear?
How about on focusing on this video alone you actually go to his channel and watch his other vids? Most of is content is watching stuff he doesn't agree with you and giving takes on them.
Haven't watched Daima but what I've heard makes it sound like it's still not willing to let go of Goku and will happily introduce contradictions with previous shows. She ron could bring Goku to earth or back to life against his will but can turn him into a child. Why couldn't Trunks and Goten explore the demon realm?
@@bkay9935we do care lol, they don’t get any room to shine so why not give them room now, we’d love to see their different personalities react in strange or uncomfortable situations, let’s see if they stay best friends or enemies or something like that
Just because you don't agree with what he say its automatically "hating" 😂. Your energy would be different if Saiyan scholar was the one hating on super. Just proves how you and Saiyan scholar are just biased. Sage also criticises super too.
@@jamiealisson8298 Nah maybe not hating but he's really overdone it, constantly mentioning toxic GT fans at least 3 times per video (and never mentions Super glazers to even it out)
Super sucked because it felt like the was no danger. Even in the tournament I knew everything would be ok at the end. Don’t even get me started on zamasu being essentially reset at the end of his arc too. Nothing even matters in super.
@@Solaspange yeah, super is just fundamentally an utter disaster. It has so many problems and no redeeming qualitys. Gt might be bad, but I will never understand how people think of super as the best of dragonball or up there, when it is literally the worst db series out there. There are no stakes, no real devolopment to characters or the story, almost all new introduced characters are garbage and forgetable. Most arcs are useless too, like the "best" arc in dbs (actually one of the worst ones ngl) the goku black saga. Nobody gains anything at the end of the arc and nothing get's saved or changed either. It's fundementally just a cheap fanservice arc to sell shitty evil goku merchandise. The amount of problems in super are so high that gt looks like a really good show in coparisent, even tho it is also bad.
Super has very little blood in the anime and it angers me. I'm not saying there should always be tons of blood, but you have casual planet busters punching each other, there should definitely be blood eventually. And the fact it was for a younger audience - which is the reason for little blood - but still has frieza being a racist genuinely confuses me on so many levels. And imo the Goku Black arc had so much potential but the animr fumbled
@@hollow3450 are you out of your mind? Literally the only problem super has is that the pacing is horrendous sometimes, like the Goku Black arc feels like a slog oml. The characters literally aren’t garbage, the only reason there are no stakes is because you know it takes place before end of z, there 100% is character development, it’s not deep at all but it is still there, and the story is most definitely developed, look at how fleshed out the world becomes. “Most arcs are useless” tell me, how are they any more useless than previous dbz arcs? The only one I would agree on is the anime only copy Vegeta arc, that shit sucks, but the Black Arc for example is the only arc with permanent consequences, even if the ending sucked lol. In DBZ nobody gained anything at the end of the arcs either, only new forms, and that happens in super too
its been a long time since I watched Gt, I enjoyed it at the time of watching it, however options might change upon rewatch. I will say that if memory serves me right, there isn't a single fight in GT that is actually good, but calling it a bad show is kinda eh. I'd say it's average
I disagree with the last take, GT's ending is tied a lot to what happened in GT. Goku's ascension works because its thematically appropriate, he was undeservingly getting punished by the karma of the dragon balls and even lost his life to it, making the universal spirit bomb all the more cathartic. Goku visiting Hell to properly thank Piccolo makes us recall his two selfless decisions in GT (remain dead forever and abandon heaven to get Goku out when he was trapped). Pan treasuring Goku's gi and rushing at the sight of him in the tournament crowd doesn't feel the same without knowing all the times he saved her and the adventures they went through.
As someone who willfully binged through all of GT the only good part about the Super 17 arc for me was, the nostalgia of seeing all these old enemies comeback and that's it. But it left me wondering why Raditz never got an appearance.
People think that just because THEY like something that it should or needs to protected from criticism. Whats funny is that they kind of tell on themselves with their behavior because if they really thought that thing they liked was good then there wouldn't be a need for all the deflecting and concessions because the show should be able to speak for itself and stand on its on merits. That's regardless if its seen or regarded as "peak" or not. No only that, whats really annoying is that if you do criticize what they like, there's like this entitlement that you can only be critical in a way that they "like." They act like you can only be critical in a way that will not only validate them but take their "feelings" into account ... Take your feelings out of it. People are "allowed" to like what they like BUT just like they like it, someone else may not and they also have that right.
Just like how Saiyan scholar and his fan base insult super and its fans? even when Saiyan scholar isn't even talking about super his fan base still hate on it. Like I said, biased.
Fun fact: It’s actually impossible for the Nameless Namekian to have ever created to Black Star Dragon Balls since its explicitly stated during the original series that Demon King Piccolo had no idea what Dragon Balls were, the entire first arc only exists because of a plot hole lol
@@lukescrew1981 damn bro you really spammed through the whole comment section without bring up any kind of logical argument instead of just raging. That’s hilarious
27:31 I’d say the thing that makes the super 17 arc worse than the copy vegeta arc is that it was try to take itself more serious. Making it look like a fatter L
Regardless GT has it ups and downs but as a kid I liked it and still do to this day Edit : all I said was I like GT why TF are these kids in the comments attacking me 💀🤦♂️
@@Crodas535 You dumb a$$es call anything glazing nowadays 💀🤦♂️ Literally said it has it ups ànd downs and how does my opinion affect you ? People like you are the problem, not everyone gonna have the same damn opinion you damn incel
@@Crodas535You dumb a$$es call anything glazing nowadays 💀🤦♂️ Literally said it has it ups ànd downs and how does my opinion affect you ? People like you are the problem, not everyone gonna have the same damn opinion you damn incel
I still believe the shadow dragon arc could have had eeeeeeveryone fighting the shadow dragons not just Goku and Pan leading up to Omega Shernon where everyone shows up. Like imagine Majiuub, Goten and Trunks, Vegeta, Tien, Yamcha, Gohan[who was said to kept up on his training] all went after the other shadow dragons. I feel like that would be more interesting.
Start to say Daima correctly Sage please. Dai like you want someone to die sounds the same and Ma like in mama. The Black Star DB saga introduces an excellent concept. The Earth is at stake and you need to go to space in order to prevent it's destruction. That is something actually good. Not a fan of the designs for the planets or the choice of team going to space. However it starts slow on purpose so they can have world building. The Baby arc is absolute gold, Baby himself is for me the 2nd best villain in the whole franchise like I said in the previous video.
@@seventoastwhy should he respect diama if its toriyamas last work? If he doesn't like it then it's his opinion. Sage hasn't even said anything bad about diama compared to gt.
@jamiealisson8298 I get Sage's complaints now. You guys literally read the words, come up with your own meaning that wasn't stated, and then respond to that
@@seventoast you literally just said that sage should put respect on diama just cause its toriyamas last work implying that sage can't say anything bad about diama am I wrong?
@@lukescrew1981 it's the truth only in your micro sized brain 🤣. Can you atleast give an actual reason on why you think gt is better than super and z? Probably not because the majority of the gt fan base just say whatever comes across their mind and no explanations to support their claim 😂.
After rewatching them again, I like how everyone just agrees to collectively ignore the black star dragonballs arc, Baby Saga is a good concept, but has major pacing issues on top of all of its other writing/story issues. It’s the opposite of the shadow dragons arc where it starts off alright and then drags out the ending for way too long. Shadow dragons is just boring until Nova where the pace actually feels tolerable. We can just ignore super 17.
The S#17 saga brings back old villains to die again and I actually love it. That is the fun of the saga in my opinion, I just wish they made every battle against a former villain/s more fun. It felt too rushed. I get that they wanted to show how the Z fighters advanced so much that past nightmare villains are a joke now, but it could've had more juice. At least Raditz remained alive in the end of it. S#17 himself is an idiotic character I wish never existed. The best thing about the Shadow Dragons arc besides the concept are Eis and Nouva. Nouva is my favorite Dragon.
I grew up watching DBZKai on nicktoons. Then they jumped to GT. I watched the first episode then I hated it. Fast forward to last year I decided to rewatch DBZ from the beginning and start from there. I watched GT and became a fan. GT has ALOT of problems and I specifically skipped over the black star saga and went into the baby saga. Super 17 was EXTREMELY BORING. Hated every second minus krillin getting boomed into the otherworld. 18 was the only redeeming thing about tht arc. Shadow dragons was an amazing concept, especially bc it was hinted at in the buu saga tht misuse of the dragon balls have consequences. It’s definitely not the best and it’s definitely like a 7/10 only bc of the baby saga and the use and spotlight of OTHER characters instead of just Goku and vegeta like in super
All that you were saying when he touched on the positives of the Black Dragonballs and Baby (Justin Bieber) sagas is why folks stan GT as much as they do while spitting venom at Super: GT tried. It failed severally, but it tried. You can't really say that about Super.
Nvm I was remembering wrong it is not a blue guy just guy with long blonde hair his name is dolltaki worst character ever that scene alone makes me never want to think of this series again which is sad
@@ZYaKnoe249 at least it’s not as graphic and consensual. Still I forgot about that In super i think you mean Mai yeah it’s weird af but It’s just weird writing and it’s trunks I did not wana to watch soft core porn in gt
Ive watched gt a few times. And man.. i try to love it. Especially because Super duper monkey mode (ssj4) is my favorite form but FUCK.. sometimes its really hard to be a fan😭
I think it's ok to like GT, i dont think it's warranted to hate on all GT fans just cause they like GT and you dont. Some people just have fond memories of the show, thats honestly just how opinions work. Now obviously if you get to saiyan scholar levels of defending GT then you might have a problem cause it isnt THAT good. Me personally i like GT a lot, but i can man up and say that objectively the writing couldve been better
The thing that bothers me about the hate, is that Super genuinely shares a lot of the same issues but gets a free pass for those. In short the hypocrisy when comparing GT to other DB properties.
@@avariciousgaming1695 I agree somewhat but I feel like it's the same problem on the other side of things, a lot of GT fans shit on super as if GT doesn't share the same if not more problems narratively. I personally like GT more but I think super is better objectively. Super is just more consistent narratively than GT, powerscaling is a different story but that's debatable even then
GT will always be bittersweet for me, because the Concepts in the show are some of the best of Dragon Ball for me (not Super 17), while simultaneously some of the worst execution on said concepts of Dragon Ball, and I just cant turn my brain off when it comes to it
The main issue with GT was the fighting and choreography lol. In Db Z and Super there are multiple great fights whether in the series or the movies. GT has no great ones.
DragonBall daima is very enjoyable for me! Especially getting my nephew's and nieces into it. They can finally see why I feel in love with DragonBall from the start. This whole entitlement that ooh I grew up watching DragonBall so it should cater to my ideas or how it should go is so sucking weird! Not saying it's a perfect show but it's been great so far.
I think the biggest problem with GT is it didn't have a manga when it was created. When DB, DBZ, and even DBS was created they already had manga. It sorted acted like a script and outline to the show.
GT didn't have those. Toriyama was hit up after DBZ ended and was requested to make a follow up show. That being said, GT was Toriyama attempt at just winging it. It doesn't seem important, but that is a crucial fact.
Dragon Ball and DBZ manga acted like an outline of a story he been planning out for a while. Any good story writer or content writer knows that the outline is a big help. There is a manga set for it now, but those were published after the show ended.
It explains why the show doesn't have as big of an impact or make a good lasting impression like the other shows in the franchise.
It's because of this I have love and respect for GT, but can also admit it's not the best. Don't get me wrong, it's still my favorite cause it's the one I grew up watching on TV.
Toriyama only did some art concepts for gt. He didn't write it at all as far as I know.
@@dmnapier7 And it's still better than some stuff
@@edwardalyassin7887 thank you, kinda proves my point even more. Just found out he was writing Dr. Slum when GT was being aired.
@@dmnapier7Toriyama wrote Dr Slump before he even made Dragon Ball. Dr Slump was made from 1980 - 1984. Dragon Ball ran from 1984 - 1995.
GT aired from 1996 - 1997, at that time Toriyama was mainly doing oneshots like Neko Majin and short manga like Cowa & Kajika.
@javaughndouglas3641 dragon Ball aired during that time but it's manga was already out. Ah, I see. The point stands though.
He wasn't hands on with GT. It was more of Toei continuing the franchise for profit. GT is more of Toriyma's step child, but he still loved the show himself.
For the time in which it came out, GT did an excellent job. It wasn't created by the original creator, but still did a good job telling a story and introducing some interesting concepts. Like SS4, Baby, and concept of the shadow dragons.
I'm willing to bet if Toriyama also helped and gave it some more assistance than he did, the show would've been great.
The one thing I always found weird in the Baby arc was Elder Kai just randomly knowing of ssj4 existence and just casually name dropping it.
Yes he's been around for awhile but alot of that was in a sword and to know about something so specific in 1 certain race whilst never bothering to inform the saiyans prior to baby just felt off to me.
The fact he says 4 implies that 1, 2 and 3 existed prior to the story showing us. We get no sort of story as to the previous ssj4 and what even happened to him, especially when to achieve ssj4 you literally have to gain self control over the unstable Golden Oozaru. So it couldn't be through self destruction like the legendary ssj. Both ssj and in Suoer with God there was a short explanation on what happened but ssj4? Nope...
I would've preferred if instead Elder Kai knew of the Golden Oozaru form only and was hinting to that, and how he keeps most of the information about the form a secret because how dangerously unstable the form is.
That as they give Goku back his tail Elder Kai withholds in how gaining his tail back will make him stronger to hide the dark truth. Goku then achieves ssj4 through instead of giving into saiyan brutality and violence it's through his Earthling kindness and self control.
Showing us that the saiyan brutality and violent nature that got everyone into this mess will not solve the problem, but the ways of the new generation of saiyans peace will in fact solve the problem.
Gt to me was very good concepts, and I think when it got it right, it was good.
16:09 there's definitely a giant elephant in the room for oMega Shenron...
GT feels like a shitty fan series 😂
GT fans are like Goten fans…. there’s only about 10 of them out there and all 10 of them have an impressive levels of delusion.
Now that I think about it…. What did the “GT” even stand for anyway lol
grand tour
Gigantic Trash
@@AnnaLajtos ok bro. GT isnt even thaaat bad. I has rlly good moments
@@AlmightyDivine2925 There's more bad than good
@@AnnaLajtos Very original
GT fans…. GET UPPPPPPP
If we not talking about manga and only considering anime with all bad pacing and filler stuff it's gonna be like that:
Daima > DB > DBZ > GT > Super
If we switch for manga versions for DB, DBZ, and Super it's gonna be:
DB > DBZ > Daima > Super > GT
Not gonna lie, the Dragon Saga and Baby Saga hold the entirety of GT
Even then the Dragon saga is hard carried by Nouva, Ice and Omega. The rest are forgettable or downright bad
@@Sandman10032 eis shenron was funny and reminded me of zarbon
@33:50: Toriyama had input in it and has acknowledged it as a side/alternate story for the Z anime. The canon argument in 2024 is redundant when the author himself isn’t constant wit things that’s happened in the series
You really pulled up just to quickly tell a lie. Toriyama’s only input in it was the ssj4 design, which happens to be the only good thing about the series. Also, writing flaws in the canon series doesn’t make GT canon, what kind of logic is that, jesus christ, lmao.
@@AnnaLajtos Wrong
@@AnnaLajtos He designed the core cast and came up with the name also. he also did some spaceship designs. But yeah, GT isn't canon.
He has been very consistent wirth GT not being canon. When asked he basically said "the fans can choose" making it automatically non canon as canon in DB has always been "official to the official continuity." In 2018 Shueshia and bird studios (who was being run by Toriyama) did an entire canon tour to discuss what is canon (the first time they ever used the word). The manga (volumes 1-42), Jacos manga, DB minus, FnF movie and DBS Broly movie are all canon. That's it and the 2 movies only because they didn't have full manga adaptions. No anime, no GT, no movies. GT is not and has never been canon. We KNOW what the actual canon is, casuals just aren't up for doing some actual research.
@@teeboz6237 wrong
1:11 I always say this, but if certain beloved things from Z were introduced in GT or Super, those things would’ve been widely panned, because you wouldn’t decorate them with nostalgia anymore. Imagine if the two kids (Goten/Trunks) first reached SSJ in GT or Super. Imagine the lashings if GT or Super Goku gave Cell a senzu bean. The 5 people defending that scene would stop. On the contrary, if the sliding Kamehameha was in Z, people would’ve felt obligated to love Kefla just like people love Bojack because of one iconic scene.
I mean if goten and trunks went ssj in gt or super it’s a lot less impactful because they’re not like 5 in those series
Goku does the senzu bean thing in the super manga but unlike in Z its actually just stupid
He should of done the Scarlett witch to the Z warriors like she did to the avengers
Super sucked cause there was no danger at all. Zamasu just got wiped at the end with a deus ex machina, and the tournament of power didn’t matter at all either bc everyone got saved.
GT ain’t any better the only person who died was piccolo and that was stupid because he had literally know reason to
Dude, it’s Dragonball, you already know everything’s going to be ok by the end. The name of the show is a Des ex machina.
Imagine having a personal lifeline to god and not having him help you out. You don’t think it’s interesting to see THE GOD of the DB universe wipe out an impossibly broken villain who’s doing crimes worthy of a divine erasure? Of course they can’t use that every time but Zamasu definitely warranted a Zeno interruption.
The tournament absolutely mattered because now you have an expanded universe of content to mine. Why introduce something that cool and interesting just to kill everyone off in one arc? The tournament arguably had the best ending it could have.
if an arc ending with everyone getting saved makes it bad then every db arc is dogshit apparently
that was the point of the tournament dummy
Did you want everyone to die at the end of the buu saga or the Earth to get blown up in the cell saga or Frieza just blowing up Earth or king piccolo ruling over Earth?
I don't remember one time they ever used senzu beans in GT, at least when it got going the stakes are really high
I wonder why
Super has no tension right now, until it passes the TB where Goku met Oob. That's why GT could do it. Daima also has no stakes because we know they'll be fine. That doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme though. If you watched the anime after reading the manga then it has no stakes. Doesn't make it any less exciting.
@@teeboz6237 Not to mention how Goku and co are friends with the 2 strongest beings in the universe, one of whom can rewind time when the moment calls
@toxicrepeter8607 There's a massive duration on how often Whis can rewind time, plus they hardly mess with mortal affairs so being friends with them hardly matters.
Whis won't rewind time whenever it's deemed necessary. He's only ever done it that one time, and that was mainly to teach Goku a lesson.
@@firionkaiser8291 If they hardly press with mortal affairs Whis should have never protected Goku and co in RoF to begin with, he barely knew them and Freeza even begged to not intervene. Its really lame how he can solve the arc within seconds but doesn't because he doesn't feel like it or they didn't notify him in time, but I guess its not as bad as the Zeno button.
Edit: Proceed to the replies with caution, mentally ill GT fans (i repeat, mentally ill, unhinged, completely weird GT fans) started a war over an anime opinion. Ya’ll certainly doing Sage a favor by proving his point about the toxicity of GT fans. As soon as someone dares to call GT average (which was still generous of me), ya’ll immediately zerg out. Even screeching at him for “being a hater” in other comments after he spent 34 minutes to talk about things he dislikes AND likes. There is certainly something wrong with your brains ngl. No wonder ya’ll like an oversexualized minor in your shows.
My favorite comment of all time about GT was when a guy claimed it was peak because he watched a lot of TH-cam shorts about it. Like, bruh, lmao. Peak series because there are about 30 good, less than a minute long shorts about it. There is literally 0% chance someone actually sat down, watched it during the last 10 years and say even that its overall above average.
Dang😭🙏
LMAO
As someone who watched GT as a kid and rewatched the series just over a year ago, I can say that it honestly isn’t that. Or at least it’s not as bad as some people like to say it is. I think the majority of people that dunk on GT are those that either haven’t seen it or just prefer Super. I think it had some very questionable decisions writing wise and the first arc of the show is definitely its weakest imo. I really do think the first arc is a big reason why some people hate GT. It’s really not the best opener for a series following up after the Buu saga. But the show definitely redeems itself when Baby is introduced. He’s one of my all time favourite villains. Awesome concept, amazing design, linking back to old Dragon Ball Z with the idea of the tuffles. Baby is just cool imo. And do I even need to mention SSJ4.
Idk I think anyone that hasn’t watched GT but loves Dragon Ball should at the very least give it a chance. Like I’m not gonna go over every reason why I personally enjoy it but like I said I don’t think it deserves hate. At the end of the day it still feels like a love letter to both Z and OG dragon ball. Even if that love letter is a bit messy at times haha!
Edit: GT Pan was hella annoying tho I can’t lie
Or. You know. People are allowed to enjoy things? You realize Dragon Ball isn’t seen as this peak writing outside of this fandom
@@BiggaVeli-u5j Or. You know. No one said people aren’t allowed to enjoy things. Stop making things up in your head just to argue about something. Dragon Ball isn’t seen as peak writing inside the fandom either, Z is still the most famous and influential anime and created the formula for other mangas and animes that came after it. GT on the other hand is objectively not good. People are still allowed to enjoy it for whatever reason obviously.
........... is he doing that on purpose 😵💫
33:57 we’re not gonna sit here and act like super fans aren’t toxic as well and technically, if you wanna be technical all of super, and the manga is non-Canon the only things that are canon are the movies made by Tama hence why they are very inconsistent with the manga and anime the movies act like the manga and anime don’t even exist
Don't just call out super fans. The majority of the dB fan base hate on gt and its fans. And they deserve it. Gt fans are just straight up toxic to anyone who doesnt like gt. They instantly start to call you a hater without giving any good arguments. They also switch to hating on super anytime someone criticises their show. Atleast the majority of the fan base can actually give good arguments as to why they think gt is trash. GT fans are just annoying asl.
@@jamiealisson8298bro is bothered GT isn’t fully hated lmao what a r3tardd
@@jamiealisson8298you crying because people like GT nerd 😂😂😂
@@standley_steamers nobody gives af, GT glazers like you are the bane of the community, scumbag
@@LisaEverz imagine making your entire personality glazing GT, get a job
I like dragon ball GT ngl (conceptually)
I genuinely believe if they redid GT, like GT, not daima, it could be pretty good.
Edit: I'm feeling some passive-aggressiveness for Daima from you Sage😂
On the note of how the tone shifts throughout GT
Its like an ADHD kids wet dream because personally it never bothered me.
Cool Sage, now watch a Saiyan Scholar video. Because at this point, you’re just purposefully just trolling GT fans
Nah Saiyan Scholar has L takes too and is even more biased than those who dislike GT
@@firionkaiser8291 Wrong
Trolling? Because he spent 34 minutes to talk about things he likes and dislikes? Maybe learn to respect someone else’s opinion? Weirdo
Just like how Saiyan scholar purposefully trolls super fans?
@@lukescrew1981you commenting on almost every post just proves what people say about Saiyan scholar and his fan base
As a GT lover super 17 arc is actually the dumbest arc in all of dragon ball.
Nah copy Vegeta
But NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN I’M SUPER 17 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Dragon Ball GT fans stay sorry.
GT fans cant get a break
@@InfraredGod they shouldn’t, GT is ass
They don’t deserve one
after ive seen gt fans legit trash diama in a community poll not too long ago, i firmly believe they don't deserve one
good
GT fans don’t exist 😂
@15:12, Frieza major buff is him with muscles or a color change.. Cell gained electricity and Kid Buu is just shorter Super Buu
Frieza is final form.
Cell is perfect
And kid but is a good design
@@ahmadazem4167what was the point?
@@ahmadazem4167 Kid Boo was not a good design lol. It was a shrunk version of a previous one as someone said. Cell's perfect form is definitely inferior to his first form also. Less menacing, the voice change, his more human side coming out ETC. Freeza is the only one Toriyama did transformations right with.
@@teeboz6237 Literally everyone likes Perfect Cell though??? What are you talking about lmao. Never seen someone say Perfect Cell looks bad
To me Super and GT aint better than Z, but I'd never sit there and say any are ass or mid maybe because i genuinely enjoy anything dragon ball but it was something new for the time that was enjoyed by many maybe not the whole fanbase but GT had a special place in some our hearts, I'm 20 glad i grew up with all things dragon ball
I genuinely enjoyed morbius the first time I saw it, doesn’t mean it’s a good movie
@Crodas535 gang I don't care keep it pushing🗣🙏🏾
@@CriticalyDumb You care enough to reply, doesn’t change the fact GT is ass ❤️
@@Crodas535LMAO!
@@Crodas535 I replied because my notifications are on hold up🦧 turning ts off
GT is better than Super, Daima, and Heroes combined. If you think it sucks you haven’t actually watched it.
It’s ok. Nothing more nothing less. It’s last place , but it’s amongst a good line.
Daima just started bruh
If someone thinks it sucks then that’s their opinion. Maybe the bad they saw in GT was worse than what they saw in super? I just think that it’s annoying to say stuff like this because you should just keep your opinion to yourself if you’re going to just assume something about many people you don’t even know.
I see it the same way you do, Sage:
Good concepts, terrible execution.
Based on what I've heard, Daima literally is GT 2.0/Canon GT.
I don't think they'll do SSJ4 because that literally wouldn't make any sense, considering it's before Super.
GT may be ass to some, but Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku is a beautiful theme song that feels so unique to GT.
Someday, I'll watch GT. Maybe when Daima ends? Idk.
GT Japanese OST is tuff
You gave this take without having watched….
You didn’t even watch and you say all this bs? 😂
@Solaspange
I'm going based on what Sage has said. I literally reiterated what he said. It's not that deep lol.
Idk how this dude got so many subs. Don’t like this content at allz
Please make more, nothing better than seeing GT nerds have a tantrum in your comments
best thing about the baby arc is Vegeta got the parasite boost and got taller lol
Sage: I don’t hate GT
*posts 3 videos back to back hating on GT*
Why does it bother y’all that people enjoy the series? Lmao. You’ll never watch a Saiyan Scholar video yet will watch Big Tune (who gets called out in his own comment section) because yall share similar takes
why do you care so much he doesnt like a show you like? sounds like youre the one whos mad. he already said in the video he doesnt care if you like it or not, you can like something that is bad
@@XbninjaXIVyou didn’t need to put the cape on, I’m giving my opinion as well.. we don’t think it’s bad. Buzz off
@@LisaEverz Everybody is entitled to enjoy shows they like. People like game of thrones season 8 too even though it’s horribly written.
So, in your limited mind its hating to talk about what he liked and disliked about GT?
Echo chamber
Yes, Big Tune, what an unbiased examination.
0:00
I gotta say the super 17 arc was ass but it somehow contributed to DBGT's goated ending, which isn't saying much because the show could've achieve the same thing without the Super 17 arc.
What am I talking about?
In the Super 17 arc because of the chaos that Dr. Gero and Miu caused in hell it caused characters who were dead to not have halo's anymore.
So when we fast forward to the fight with Omega Shenron and Goku is powering the spirit bomb. You remember when Goku suddenly was capable of tanking Omega Shenron's attack in weakened based?
Yeah, he ACTUALLY died in that scene but since the process of death was messed up cuz of what happened in the Super 17 arc, Goku had no halo.
So he never tanked the attacks, he DIED!
But he was still able to keep it pushing until the end and throw the spirit bomb at Omega Shenron.
It's also why Pan found Goku's clothes, even though we just saw him peace out with the Dragon.
It's cuz he was dead.
Is there something that doesn't make any sense in this theory? Well it's GT, a whole lot of it didn't make any sense lol.
Still to me... That makes the ending so much more impactful.
Agreed
This just ur theory the dbgt director simply didn't want Goku to have a halo check the interview
I'll stand by super 17's design is cool
@@Sonicfalcon16 Yeah it’s sick. The problem is how trash the saga itself is.
Maybe try a video that doesn’t fully agree with you & parrot your takes?
That’s literally most of his content, reacting to takes he disagrees with. Can you tourist GT glazers either watch more than 1 video of his or doing everyone a favor and disappear?
@@telldetruth9259 Unfortunately he's not going to do that
How about on focusing on this video alone you actually go to his channel and watch his other vids? Most of is content is watching stuff he doesn't agree with you and giving takes on them.
@@lukescrew1981even though he did it in the past?
@@Utre-d4utypical bothered Super fanboy
10:57 no dragon balls and no senzu beans
Haven't watched Daima but what I've heard makes it sound like it's still not willing to let go of Goku and will happily introduce contradictions with previous shows. She ron could bring Goku to earth or back to life against his will but can turn him into a child. Why couldn't Trunks and Goten explore the demon realm?
Because it’s Goku Time
pretty sure there is a goten and trunks movie coming out
Cuz nobody cares about a whole show having goten and trunks as main characters
@@bkay9935we do care lol, they don’t get any room to shine so why not give them room now, we’d love to see their different personalities react in strange or uncomfortable situations, let’s see if they stay best friends or enemies or something like that
I’m the same way about the whole Heroes thing, sure it’s a lot of fan service, but I enjoy it a lot bc it’s just DOPE
Dragon Ball Delilah, and Dragon Ball DanDanDan huh sage? Whats next, Dragon Ball Dora?
No, Dragon Ball Diego.
Dragon Ball Dude is my favorite
Are we still on about this? Can you stop hating on GT for 5 seconds?
Just because you don't agree with what he say its automatically "hating" 😂. Your energy would be different if Saiyan scholar was the one hating on super. Just proves how you and Saiyan scholar are just biased. Sage also criticises super too.
@@jamiealisson8298cap
On his kneees ^^^^
@@jamiealisson8298 It is hating
@@jamiealisson8298 Nah maybe not hating but he's really overdone it, constantly mentioning toxic GT fans at least 3 times per video
(and never mentions Super glazers to even it out)
To me it's peak and I watched all.
Dragon ball super ain't as good to me because...
It was targeted for a audience I wasn't from anymore.
Super sucked because it felt like the was no danger. Even in the tournament I knew everything would be ok at the end. Don’t even get me started on zamasu being essentially reset at the end of his arc too. Nothing even matters in super.
@@Solaspange yeah, super is just fundamentally an utter disaster. It has so many problems and no redeeming qualitys. Gt might be bad, but I will never understand how people think of super as the best of dragonball or up there, when it is literally the worst db series out there. There are no stakes, no real devolopment to characters or the story, almost all new introduced characters are garbage and forgetable. Most arcs are useless too, like the "best" arc in dbs (actually one of the worst ones ngl) the goku black saga. Nobody gains anything at the end of the arc and nothing get's saved or changed either. It's fundementally just a cheap fanservice arc to sell shitty evil goku merchandise. The amount of problems in super are so high that gt looks like a really good show in coparisent, even tho it is also bad.
Super has very little blood in the anime and it angers me. I'm not saying there should always be tons of blood, but you have casual planet busters punching each other, there should definitely be blood eventually. And the fact it was for a younger audience - which is the reason for little blood - but still has frieza being a racist genuinely confuses me on so many levels. And imo the Goku Black arc had so much potential but the animr fumbled
@@hollow3450 are you out of your mind? Literally the only problem super has is that the pacing is horrendous sometimes, like the Goku Black arc feels like a slog oml. The characters literally aren’t garbage, the only reason there are no stakes is because you know it takes place before end of z, there 100% is character development, it’s not deep at all but it is still there, and the story is most definitely developed, look at how fleshed out the world becomes. “Most arcs are useless” tell me, how are they any more useless than previous dbz arcs? The only one I would agree on is the anime only copy Vegeta arc, that shit sucks, but the Black Arc for example is the only arc with permanent consequences, even if the ending sucked lol. In DBZ nobody gained anything at the end of the arcs either, only new forms, and that happens in super too
How about you watch Saiyan Scholars video on GT. That man can actually give you a good argument about GT and Super.
Dawg was very biased. I feel totally not marked made a better video (but his channel is gone i think)
@@BucketWasTakenTwiceAs if Big Tune isn’t bias lmao
He’d never do that because it would mean not dunking on GT
Saiyan Scholar is the biggest Super hater of all time
@@Santzu_so basically the reverse of this channel?
its been a long time since I watched Gt, I enjoyed it at the time of watching it, however options might change upon rewatch. I will say that if memory serves me right, there isn't a single fight in GT that is actually good, but calling it a bad show is kinda eh. I'd say it's average
Has TSO watched Dragon Ball GT: A Hero's Legacy?
I disagree with the last take, GT's ending is tied a lot to what happened in GT.
Goku's ascension works because its thematically appropriate, he was undeservingly getting punished by the karma of the dragon balls and even lost his life to it, making the universal spirit bomb all the more cathartic. Goku visiting Hell to properly thank Piccolo makes us recall his two selfless decisions in GT (remain dead forever and abandon heaven to get Goku out when he was trapped). Pan treasuring Goku's gi and rushing at the sight of him in the tournament crowd doesn't feel the same without knowing all the times he saved her and the adventures they went through.
Yeah that was such a confusing take. 30% of it was a send off and call backs to the prior 3 secs
All that just to become non canon
@IAmGrootFrom63rd He said that because overall the ending covered the entirety of the series, the remaining 70% would've worked with Z as well.
You’re never beating the GT hater allegations with these titles lmao (I don't think *your* the one writing them btw)
It’s not hate if the show actually sucks. It’s called fair criticism
@@RemyKingKenthere was nothing fair here. Sage is just a try hard who finds other people who agrees with him.
@@RemyKingKenthat’s hate.
@@BiggaVeli-u5j you just described any anime yter… And since when is try hard a bad thing?
@@telldetruth9259 okay 👍
Complaining about the Black Star arc when Daima has been essentially doing that (even copying exact moments or situations) with drops of lore is funny
So you agree that diama is just GT 2.0? or did you just contradict your own point....
@@jamiealisson8298illiterate boy
@@jamiealisson8298you all throughout this comment section with a cape on lmao
@@ZYaKnoe249 GT is still ass lmfao
@@PeterStone-hy6ir GT was rewritten and the show was killed off for good reason, you’re angry lol
Yeah y'all just haters
Easily
Defend super 17 arc, I'll wait 😅
@@KigerrTLON how about u eat this hallow purple 🔴🙏🏽🔵 🫴〰🟣
@@KigerrTLON they can’t defend anything, that’s why they are just screeching and have no actual arguments.
Thats what it means to hate something so yeah
As someone who willfully binged through all of GT the only good part about the Super 17 arc for me was, the nostalgia of seeing all these old enemies comeback and that's it. But it left me wondering why Raditz never got an appearance.
He did appear
I love ❤️ Dragonball GT
People think that just because THEY like something that it should or needs to protected from criticism. Whats funny is that they kind of tell on themselves with their behavior because if they really thought that thing they liked was good then there wouldn't be a need for all the deflecting and concessions because the show should be able to speak for itself and stand on its on merits. That's regardless if its seen or regarded as "peak" or not.
No only that, whats really annoying is that if you do criticize what they like, there's like this entitlement that you can only be critical in a way that they "like." They act like you can only be critical in a way that will not only validate them but take their "feelings" into account ... Take your feelings out of it.
People are "allowed" to like what they like BUT just like they like it, someone else may not and they also have that right.
Blah blah blah cope cope cope
@BiggaVeli-u5j cope?
Maybe don't insult GT or it's fans so much if you don't to them to come after you
“Don’t to them”. Okay, illiterate GT fans
Just like how Saiyan scholar and his fan base insult super and its fans? even when Saiyan scholar isn't even talking about super his fan base still hate on it. Like I said, biased.
Exactly
@@ErmiGultro English is not my first language so keep your mouth shut
@@jamiealisson8298 Wrong
I like the first arc, i found it fun.
Hi I was the copy Vegeta comment
Copy Vegeta still better than Super 17 💪
(First sage stream as a chatter, loved it)
Fun fact: It’s actually impossible for the Nameless Namekian to have ever created to Black Star Dragon Balls since its explicitly stated during the original series that Demon King Piccolo had no idea what Dragon Balls were, the entire first arc only exists because of a plot hole lol
There's also the fact the regular Dragonballs needed someone else to bring back Shenron after Kami and Piccolo fused
Daima literally makes every character with pointy ears a demon & they all suddenly come from 1 place. The entire series is full of revisionism
That doesn't mean shit
@@lukescrew1981 damn bro you really spammed through the whole comment section without bring up any kind of logical argument instead of just raging. That’s hilarious
@Utre-d4u No I didn't
Resurrection f and super 17 both are same quality for me both just exist to make u furious
27:31 I’d say the thing that makes the super 17 arc worse than the copy vegeta arc is that it was try to take itself more serious. Making it look like a fatter L
Actually baby should of been shorter and super 17 should of been longer.
Regardless GT has it ups and downs but as a kid I liked it and still do to this day
Edit : all I said was I like GT why TF are these kids in the comments attacking me 💀🤦♂️
@@sideman236 Literally blinded by nostalgia because of a shitty childhood lol, GT glazers are something else
@@Crodas535 You dumb a$$es call anything glazing nowadays 💀🤦♂️
Literally said it has it ups ànd downs and how does my opinion affect you ?
People like you are the problem, not everyone gonna have the same damn opinion you damn incel
Well, other people managed to grow up, you didn’t
@@AnnaLajtosCry me a river for all I care stop making the hate your personality weirdo🤦♂️
@@Crodas535You dumb a$$es call anything glazing nowadays 💀🤦♂️
Literally said it has it ups ànd downs and how does my opinion affect you ?
People like you are the problem, not everyone gonna have the same damn opinion you damn incel
I still believe the shadow dragon arc could have had eeeeeeveryone fighting the shadow dragons not just Goku and Pan leading up to Omega Shernon where everyone shows up. Like imagine Majiuub, Goten and Trunks, Vegeta, Tien, Yamcha, Gohan[who was said to kept up on his training] all went after the other shadow dragons. I feel like that would be more interesting.
Start to say Daima correctly Sage please. Dai like you want someone to die sounds the same and Ma like in mama. The Black Star DB saga introduces an excellent concept. The Earth is at stake and you need to go to space in order to prevent it's destruction. That is something actually good. Not a fan of the designs for the planets or the choice of team going to space. However it starts slow on purpose so they can have world building. The Baby arc is absolute gold, Baby himself is for me the 2nd best villain in the whole franchise like I said in the previous video.
Daima is Toriyama's final work Sage, put some respek on that name
So for some reason you think that everyone HAS to like the work of an author if its his last? Mad goofy take
@Utre-d4u Only thing goofy here is your charged reading comprehension.
@@seventoastwhy should he respect diama if its toriyamas last work? If he doesn't like it then it's his opinion. Sage hasn't even said anything bad about diama compared to gt.
@jamiealisson8298 I get Sage's complaints now. You guys literally read the words, come up with your own meaning that wasn't stated, and then respond to that
@@seventoast you literally just said that sage should put respect on diama just cause its toriyamas last work implying that sage can't say anything bad about diama am I wrong?
GT better than Super and Z
In another reality maybe 😂
@@jamiealisson8298 It's the truth
you’re trolling 😂
@@lukescrew1981 I never watched Super and I can bet it’s better than the dogshit mess of GT
@@lukescrew1981 it's the truth only in your micro sized brain 🤣. Can you atleast give an actual reason on why you think gt is better than super and z? Probably not because the majority of the gt fan base just say whatever comes across their mind and no explanations to support their claim 😂.
i love GT but i gotta say it has its moments shi felt rushed a lot of the time but ova then that i think the show wus good
Wish they would have just redone gt as a side thing
Lets be real, daima gonna be the closest thing to it probably, aside from some hd remaster of sorts for an anniversary or some like that
It is a side thing
GT FANS, GET UP!!!!
Bend over*****
At least super 17 as a cool design😂
Could be worse, there's daima
nice joke daima ep 6 8,8 imdp hhhhhhhhhhhhh
Gt 2.0
I hear the same 4 arguments.
Baby Saga was peak.
Super 17 was trash.
Shadow dragon arc was executed poorly.
Ending was peak.
After rewatching them again, I like how everyone just agrees to collectively ignore the black star dragonballs arc, Baby Saga is a good concept, but has major pacing issues on top of all of its other writing/story issues. It’s the opposite of the shadow dragons arc where it starts off alright and then drags out the ending for way too long. Shadow dragons is just boring until Nova where the pace actually feels tolerable. We can just ignore super 17.
@@benji5320real
Sounds just like Super
Shadow Dragons arc is mixed, some like it some think it’s meh
@@benji5320 Black Star saga was great
The S#17 saga brings back old villains to die again and I actually love it. That is the fun of the saga in my opinion, I just wish they made every battle against a former villain/s more fun. It felt too rushed. I get that they wanted to show how the Z fighters advanced so much that past nightmare villains are a joke now, but it could've had more juice. At least Raditz remained alive in the end of it. S#17 himself is an idiotic character I wish never existed. The best thing about the Shadow Dragons arc besides the concept are Eis and Nouva. Nouva is my favorite Dragon.
If gt came out today one of the shadow dragons would have a fat ass because of bulmas bbl wishes
I grew up watching DBZKai on nicktoons. Then they jumped to GT. I watched the first episode then I hated it.
Fast forward to last year I decided to rewatch DBZ from the beginning and start from there. I watched GT and became a fan. GT has ALOT of problems and I specifically skipped over the black star saga and went into the baby saga. Super 17 was EXTREMELY BORING. Hated every second minus krillin getting boomed into the otherworld. 18 was the only redeeming thing about tht arc. Shadow dragons was an amazing concept, especially bc it was hinted at in the buu saga tht misuse of the dragon balls have consequences. It’s definitely not the best and it’s definitely like a 7/10 only bc of the baby saga and the use and spotlight of OTHER characters instead of just Goku and vegeta like in super
Its like most of bros views is off of gt hate, yall really scratching the bottom of the barrel😭🙏
you ever been with a girl you love. yeah there's is stuff hella wrong with her. doesn't mean condemn her. Just like you
she has pros and cons.
All that you were saying when he touched on the positives of the Black Dragonballs and Baby (Justin Bieber) sagas is why folks stan GT as much as they do while spitting venom at Super:
GT tried. It failed severally, but it tried.
You can't really say that about Super.
GT biggest strength is Goku and vegetas clothes
The worst part of gt and why I hate it is when the blue guy with yellow hair starts grabbing on pan the scene always disgusted me
Nvm I was remembering wrong it is not a blue guy just guy with long blonde hair his name is dolltaki worst character ever that scene alone makes me never want to think of this series again which is sad
@@cc31reaperso a pedo? Meanwhile super has a entire pedo romance
@@ZYaKnoe249 at least it’s not as graphic and consensual. Still I forgot about that In super i think you mean Mai yeah it’s weird af but It’s just weird writing and it’s trunks I did not wana to watch soft core porn in gt
When it comes to gt all i hear is how gt and super fan are toxic to each other
I heard “DragonBall Dandadan” and lost it 😭😭
Nah man, it's Dragon Ball Donda
Oceanus Shenron was a baddie before her transformation… I would’ve hit… yes I know in downbad…
Finally bro someone gets that the super 17 arc IS SO BAD and I like gt but this idea that super 17 was one of the peak arcs of gt is so dumb 😭😭
Ive watched gt a few times. And man.. i try to love it. Especially because Super duper monkey mode (ssj4) is my favorite form but FUCK.. sometimes its really hard to be a fan😭
I think it's ok to like GT, i dont think it's warranted to hate on all GT fans just cause they like GT and you dont. Some people just have fond memories of the show, thats honestly just how opinions work. Now obviously if you get to saiyan scholar levels of defending GT then you might have a problem cause it isnt THAT good. Me personally i like GT a lot, but i can man up and say that objectively the writing couldve been better
Not directly aimed at sage, but at some of y'all in the comments
The thing that bothers me about the hate, is that Super genuinely shares a lot of the same issues but gets a free pass for those. In short the hypocrisy when comparing GT to other DB properties.
@@avariciousgaming1695bingo
@@avariciousgaming1695 I agree somewhat but I feel like it's the same problem on the other side of things, a lot of GT fans shit on super as if GT doesn't share the same if not more problems narratively. I personally like GT more but I think super is better objectively. Super is just more consistent narratively than GT, powerscaling is a different story but that's debatable even then
@@DivineZenkaiThis exactly. I don’t think GT is a bad series, but I wouldn’t call it good either
Super 17 Arc legit the worst arc in all of DragonBall. Straight up
I was in the top 0.4% of sage fans in the gaming recap.....is that accidental glaze?
251 like
Copy Vegeta vs Super 17 is the Tank Bowl to end all Tank Bowls
Resurrection f is worse than both
Worst part of GT is between super 17 and GT Pan easily
@@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569 GT Pan is best Pan
Roasting GT, gotta be one of my favorite pastimes.
So you don’t have a life?
That's sad
@@ZYaKnoe249 That's a mighty assumption your making right there pal.
@@Generalmituna8079facts is facts
@@ZYaKnoe249 "Facts" Acting like you know me personally lol
I compare the way people think of gt the same way dark souls 2 gets treated in there community
SUPER 17 IS ONLY 7 EPISODES, THE FUCK?
GT fans have it worse then Super fans do… an ark only 7 episodes long
Don’t y’all complain about 20+ episode arcs
More TSO_Peak?
I mean is it still an Ark if it last 7 episodes? 🤷♂️
My guess is:
super 17 is like android 17 and 18 are to cell saga
Lowkey a filler arc lol
@@Echo-nn8dt makes more sense lol
@@sideman236 just to be clear I think 7 episodes is too long for a filler but the Super 17 arc has all the attributes of filler
@@Echo-nn8dt although it's not a filler but I agree
GT will always be bittersweet for me, because the Concepts in the show are some of the best of Dragon Ball for me (not Super 17), while simultaneously some of the worst execution on said concepts of Dragon Ball, and I just cant turn my brain off when it comes to it
The main issue with GT was the fighting and choreography lol. In Db Z and Super there are multiple great fights whether in the series or the movies. GT has no great ones.
super 17>copy vegeta😭but if we don’t count copy vegeta then super 17 might be the worse.
Edit: super 17 design like that tho
Gt randomly retconned 17 and 18 to be fully machines with the whole "u killed gero bc he gave you human emotions"
That’s English dub and the overall series is full of that
Super 17 arc feels like bad edgy fan fiction lol
DragonBall daima is very enjoyable for me! Especially getting my nephew's and nieces into it. They can finally see why I feel in love with DragonBall from the start. This whole entitlement that ooh I grew up watching DragonBall so it should cater to my ideas or how it should go is so sucking weird! Not saying it's a perfect show but it's been great so far.