Tien by some distance. Same reasons people said piccolo was way too weak before super hero, all they do is train, tien especially his goal is to be a new gen Mutaito
Sure. But they do need to be treated a slight bit better. No reason for Tien to be as weak as he is when literally all he does is train. Can never convince me he should be weaker than krillin
@@LizziePrince101OMG thank you! Plus he already had his potential unlocked, so he'd already be some ways ahead of Tien. I never understood the always trains thing, is he just throwing tri-beams and dodon rays at mountains or something.
First time seeing/hearing that idea and it's low-key gas. It would definitely validate ALOT of what bro did. I think if that happened, not only could you make the conflict more grand, but also, Zamasu would most definitely be justified by some characters perspectives.
@@DouglasDundee Validation is the wrong word. It would just make more sense than "Fuck morties" Which in turn makes the conflict more interesting because even if Zamasu ends up being a psycho you still get where he's coming from, which is not the case for what we ended up getting. Couple that with blue being revealed later maybe an arc before (TOP in this hypothetical scenario) or during black goku arc, it would've been crazy good.
I dont mind side characters not having development since the characters we already even care about, already had theyre development. Now we can sit here and say give them theyre own fights, but in 2024, do we really need yeamcha, krillin or tien character development? If your gonna give them development, make it make sense in the story, instead of just giving them a power up, just for the sake of making them as strong as the characters that actually matter like broly, gohan, goku, vegeta, piccolo and so on. Its fine if characters dont get development if they're story's are all wraped up
I could see what you mean if certain characters weren’t apart of the cast anymore.But these are people that we frequently see.I feel like certain side characters are more important than other.It just kind of feels weird seeing someone be apart of the main cast but just don’t do anything.And who wouldn’t mean to see a few panels or episodes of someone like tien (who’s apart of the OG dragon ball)and let us know as a fan base what he’s been up to.
@@von1626 tien is an outlier. He's the only one I've seen that actually makes sense. And sage is right when he put him in the tier he's in. It's been too long for tien. We can see him do more in arcs. We see him open a dojo. Maybe he can find someone who's stronger then him and train them. There's definitely an arc for someone like tien for his story to not be finished. Not even necessarily a powerup but something narritvely speaking
@von1626 you can't keep every side character a spotlight to keep them relevant by having them do things all the time though. Otherwise the narrative is bloated & loses focus. I see what you're getting at, but it'd be a lotta work for an ultimately shallow goal
Piccolo has always been used as a measuring stick for other bad guys power. He suffers from a thing called the warf effect. When someone is kinda strong, and then that guy fights an even stonger guy to show the audience that the new bad guy is gonna be trouble for the mc. Like abari renji from bleach.
Piccolo doesn’t get worfed as much in the manga compared to the anime. Like there aren’t as many losses that are just for power scaling against him in the manga.
@@yumin_pluto558 even if he's not fighting, he's always used as a measuring stick for the bad guys. He was sweating from raditz. He kills raditz, trains with gohan, gets low ish diff by nappa. Even if it was a 1v1, nappa full health low diffs piccolo. Piccolo comes back to life, fuses with nail and is on par with 2nd for freiza. Trains for 3 years with goku and gohan, mid diffs dr.gero. fuses with kami and is on par if not stronger then 1st form cell. Then fights andriod 17 and its pretty close untill cell shows u after eating like 6 towns worth of people. Then trains by himself in the hyperbolic time chamber and even vegeta is like ey yo? Even if Piccolo isn't losing my fights, he's always the measuring stick
For your Daboura take, After majin Buu packs him up, he comes out of the rubble, opens a portal to the demon realm then dips. Boom, setup for him to do something in a future arc. It was established that he thought he was the shit, realized he wasn’t, and he found out how much of a threat earth was. Easy layup for a future arc
I low-key disagree, the reason why Krillin is the strongest human is because he follows the turtle hermit way of living. To me technically Master Rishi is the strongest if it wasn't for his age. He fought a pseudo sayian type character at the TOP and he kept up with Frieza's forces in ROF. If Roshi ever wished to be youthful I truly believe to some degree we could see moe from him that shows more techniques than powerbomb moves that we normally see.
also its hilarious that people think 17 needs more screentime/focus. dude literally WON the tournament of power, and was 1/2 of the reason (the other being 18) that future trunks even went back in time in the first place. dude is as complete of a villain-turned-hero as you can get 😂
You explained my issue with Vegeta better than I ever have. We are constantly TOLD that he and Goku are supposed to be relative, but then when it comes time to actually box he can never hang with Goku and the main villain. It's FRUSTRATING for Vegeta fans.
it’s crazy cause my homies and i were talking abt how dragon ball abandoned magic that baba had and the demon side of shit with dabura being a king and basically ignoring it but when daima was announced even my homies who asked for this were annoyed the timing just sucks cause moro arc and granolah>
I feel like titles are where Dragon Ball fans go crazy. Raditz and surprisingly Dabura are gassed up as wasted characters but I feel like that's just because of what they're associated with. Raditz within the arc as a saiyan is perfectly fine for what he is supposed to be. If this was Nappa (no TFS) no one would care. The thing that boosts Raditz is the extra drama tidbit that he's Goku's brother. That heightens the intrigue of his character and thus people want more. What Dabura connects to is interesting, people just think that for the demon realm to matter, we *need* Dabura.
Sage often says that "You must want a 1000 episode show" and to that i say, yes i am a one piece fan and also...if toriyama was still alive, we would of had that anyways because shueisha/toei would of milked dragon ball till the end!
Db, dbz, & dbs have 575 episodes in total . When they do make 1,000 episodes that’ll be the day Sage goes to get a regular job and quitting these idiotic rants about things he has less knowledge about than basketball 😂
@@jonasd.2548 he’ll say the dumbest things in the most confident, animated, and condescending tone . ESPECIALLY when he’s doing those hot take videos (I stopped watching them so idk anymore) . I’m clocking out on his “side character’s need more screen time” rant too😂 I like the videos where we see if the manga is better than the anime. Personally tho , I don’t like people being so objective about a story someone else wrote , like if yall think yall can do better than akira toriyama , then go make what-if’s or write a fan written manga and be objective there . I like everyone different takes on dragon ball and what they would like so in my mind anything is possible . I mean literally anything’s possible if the writer wants it to be right? There’s a “Comp Goku” & A “Mega Comp Goku” , people are literally power scaling him now 😂 I love it lmao , gives me more ammo in my Goku vs Superman convos💀
@@AM2THEPM most of his takes are that the show is fine the way it is and if you change something then you risk loosing something really good. I do agree that his takes on certain characters like goten or gohan for example are pushing it a little. Let them cook!😭
The biggest character that needed a power up was Tien. Like he needed one for the longest time ever. Krillin had a nice write out. Basically working as police and a family man knowing he was never really involved in most of those fights. Tien has abilities that should work. Tien trains CONSTANTLY. He is one that needed to be scaled up. I can agree that it is too late for him though.
Piccolo definitely deserves to keep up with sayians since he’s done it before and I’m glad the stories done him Justice. We also need Krillin and Tien to run it back in a side story because on no Earth is Mr. stopped training stronger than the master martial artist who owns a dojo and trained through every time skip. Additionally, I have hope that Goten and Trunks will get personalities, and will be able to bounce off of other side characters to form some better narratives like how the galactic prisoner attack was made cooler by getting to see just bit of characters dynamics.
Considering how impactful Saiyan biology is in Dragon Ball lore, having an entire planets worth of Saiyans just sit in Universe 6 and never exploring them seems like a huge waste to me.
Not really he gassing it he saying shit nobody ever said people just want to be stronger then they are now and be able to handle themselves which they barely can do@mangaaddict3056
Nail doesn’t need more screen time but to add to your point about him being said to be strong. He should have fought Vegeta outside of Guru’s place but the fight gets interrupted by the presence of the Ginyu’s arriving on planet. This would show that Nail is relevant to Vegeta after the Zarbon zenkai. It still makes sense for him to lose to base Frieza but have been relevant to be strong enough for Piccolo and him fusing to have some sense.
i don't understand how the saiyans of Universe 6 don't appear in the show after the tournament of power, Fr thought that at least vegeta would pay a visit to their planet, get to know the king of the saiyans in universe 6 and then train Cabba. But not even Jiren is in the show after the tournament of power, they got straight up forgotten
I think this is why many love OP's approach, the world centers in on Luffy at key points sure, but huge elements happen consistently without his input. It feels more like a world than a focus on a couple people at a time
Yeah one of Luffy's best character traits is bringing out the some potential in side characters around like we've seen with Momonosuke and Bonney in recent arcs.
Dragonball might be the only anime where people continuously get mad at the MAIN CHARACTER getting the big moments MAIN CHARACTER moments and it’s so annoying lol
I 100% agree with the Tien take, I don’t know if you remember, but I was one the one in your chat who brought up the wasted potential take for Tien that you eventually made into a short. The main problem with my original take was the fact that I said I wanted Tien to remain a rival for longer(Which I still believe could’ve worked), but the main thing is I thought Tien should of had atleast a little relevance in the series past his own arc. And I don’t mean in terms of strength either, just play a semi key role in the story for an extended period of time, like how krillen was for the saiyan and frieza saga, you can’t tell you can’t write something for him to do, after his original arc. I will say the idea that krillen is just flat out stronger than Tien is just BS ngl. Like krillen literally stops training after the cell saga, while Tien doesn’t, it makes 0 sense, and I hope I don’t have to explain myself on that one. All things considered, in terms of pure “wasted potential”, I feel like Tien is pretty high up there. I mean he gets dominated by king piccolo(or maybe his son, don’t really remember), outclassed by goku in the 23rd tournament(boom, inspiration for him to train harder and seek a way to match goku again, maybe he decides to train with Kami, maybe he doesn’t match the strength of goku or piccolo, but he could atleast claim the title of strongest earthing, and you could write something like kami teaching him a unique technique that goku never learnt, just like vegeta when he went to yardrat ), He dies in the saiyan saga, is dead for the frieza saga, has 1 moment in the cell saga, and gets slept frame 1 in the buu saga. And don’t want to hear anything like this happens to all the earthlings, as, like I said earlier, krillen is relevant for the beginning 2 sagas of Z, Roshi did plenty in OG dragon ball, Yamaha was a joke character frame 1, and who really thought choutzu was going to do anything?
its crazy how some people actually think you putting another character below goku, who you consistently refer to as “my glorious king”, is somehow hating on that character. I guess if theyre not youre favorite number 1 character you must hate them huh 🙄 people acting like everything is black & white
Nail, only because Vegeta randomly brought up the fact that he can bring Nail back, Nail is still alive in Piccolo, but honestly all he needs is to talk to Dende one more time and tell him how proud he is. Then either stay to be Piccolo's student or go back to Namek and become Namek's Piccolo figure like he was originally.
I can’t believe people don’t understand how much energy Majin Vegeta versus ssj2 Goku was. At that point both of them were beyond galaxy destroying energy blow for blow. Imagine how much energy they were creating and that is why they had to introduce SSJ3 Goku fr
Please do this with Naruto because I swear Naruto fans think every single character should have been the main character rather than Naruto it’s actually crazy 😂
@@ef-jkota3611 def not, mainly because his story was basically complete the moment he came into the story, he was the hard worker than have nothing from the start but still managed to react a insanely high lvl of strength despite that but then that’s it his character arc is over so there was no need to do anything more with him story wise
@@ef-jkota3611 probably itachi, he’s the character that a lot of people liked in a short amount of time to the point where they want him on screen all the time, he’s at least one of the character I think is at least justified to be a main character cuz he had a pretty long story
Videl didn't just learn to fight, have one fight and never do it again. She learned to fight, got beaten within an inch of her life, then never fought again
People spread the word, Sage needs to react to that one “What if Frieza turned good?!” Pretty sure there’s only one at the moment and it would be hella funny
Haven’t watched the video yet, but having a little bit of screen time for the other fighters throughout an arc or something with some improvement would be nice. All they do now is show up, do little to no damage and just wait for the ‘heavy hitters’ to show and mop up everything.
I think some of the humans could retain minor relevance by being a mentor to the youngest generation. It would be really cool if we had characters like Goten or Pan learn some of the OG signature moves we haven't seen in decades. This could also make room for some really cool character dynamics, and help keep the old guard still in the story without taking up too many episodes.
Assuming it happens, give MUI the assist, bardock flash back as goku launches a ki blast at black friezas super nova. Then have Vegeta finish it with a final flash. Finally taking the kill
I really don't have a good schedule to be keeping up LMAO I'll probably say who's the most in need of screen time in another comment, but I do have to make it expressively clear that Goten and Trunks did NOT age accurately. While Saiyans do have a rapid height growth at a certain point, it's still noticeable for the time up to it, with people noting in the original Dragon Ball that Goku was getting slightly taller. With Gohan, we had a 7 year Time Skip for his main growth spurt, but he was still growing in height all the way up to the point of the Cell Saga. Toriyama was also attempting to depict Gohan's growth being more human than Goku's, but that seems to be a vision that was lost after he put down the pen.
I'm surprised ribrianne is right in that placement but if you see ribrianne then they would always have to include the other 2 since shes always wirh them
Give krillin ui as he’s a prior monk he’d probably grasp this easier than tien, and make tien master the kaioken like to heights goku couldnt (they change stuff all the time in terms of conditions) and make Yamcha wish to be a super Saiyan like in a fit or smn and once he’s strong he’d be definitely be motivated to train
Yajirobe is plenty relevant. Not only was he the first character in Sparking Zero to get nerfed, he defeated a few of King Piccolo's minions, cut off Vegeta's tail to save Goku in the Saiyan Saga, and survived the Androids and Goku Black in Future Trunks' timeline (Up until Zeno erased it all)
I don’t want the Ginyu Force to come back. But it is cool to think about what they could be if they came back. Idk, I’d like to see them do something in a game. Not the show obviously. But in a game, I would love that.
Me personally I can never say Krillin needs more screen time he’s in the show a hefty amount of times playing key roles in the Saiyan saga, Namek Saga, and Cell saga and even played a role in the tournament of power he gets the most screen time of all the earthlings easily
Dude in chat “after Android saga he’s a 17 and cell victim” wtf is bro on about? Did we watch the same fight between android 17 and piccolo? The cell part is no discussion but the 17 part is outlandish. Piccolo was on par with 17. They legitimately ran a fair 1 on 1 until cell third partied
The only thing i want from Kami/Roshi is not future stories but past stories from kami becoming the guardian or the original namekian that he and king piccolo split from to young prime roshi
Side not, but I’d definitely love to see you react to tan manga. I’d love to see your Dragon Ball Kakumei reaction. One of the best fan manga out there imo
In my opinion, the character in most dire need of screen time would likely be Tien Shinhan, and in particular, this includes even his origins. When Goku got a retcon to become a Saiyan, with Piccolo becoming Namekian, why did we not address the Triclops? Why didn't we write something in, largely considering that the lore already set is extremely malleable? He really got hoed more than anyone in the series, not even learning Kaioken, never surpassing Krillin, the list goes on. And there's so many people who want to argue by using the facts we have about him, which adds to the problem. The whole point of this is that they should have written things differently, and it's weird to waffle like that. It's ultimately too late for Tien, but that doesn't change the fact that it would be a good opinion to state that he needed it the most, and still does despite having the least likely chance. Although, if we're really going to say someone else was misrepresented... They could have thrown some wild bullshit in that anime ritual and made Videl the first human Super Saiyan LOL
@@ahmadazem4167 Piccolo Jr and Vegeta were also antagonists, I'm just saying that we don't need to sideline characters for the sake of saving time. Tien especially has a stronger argument than the rest for me because of his poorly explained species; yes, there's many answers, I know those answers, and I'd rather there be more than what's given.
Superhero movie Pan is by far her best iteration yet, can I point to the "I'VE NEVER MET THAT MAN IN MY LIFE 🗣️‼️" part???? also Sage hate them Goten fans cuz that mf maturing into a nonchalant dreadhead and we all wish we were the nonchalant dreadhead
The problem is super saiyan. 50x boost is ridiculous. Like goku already stomps most of the side cast in base add ssj to it and none can even compete reasonably
39:37 i habe to disagree here. At least in the case of the buu arc (and if z was the actual end of the series) goten kinda represents something for goku to come back to
Nah I don’t know why your sleeping on Turtle, we NEED more Turtle, full backstory, Turtle transformations, and a whole Turtle arc. He truly did get hoed
I think lowkey Z Broly backstory is misunderstood, he got stabbed as baby that’s traumatic asf & having Goku crying/ seeing his face could be a reminder of set trauma adding into play
Not a "wasted character" and this borders on fanfic territory but this character would be fucking hard (although without some ass pull they wouldn't be shit to manga goku and vegeta) Baby vegito/gogeta Black This shit would be sooo cool in my opinion, its technically impossible now that zamasu is erased sadly
aye it’s just a title watch the vid !! 😂 but fr who do you think was the most wasted/wanna see more of this character & why?
...*Watches*🧐
goten
I wanna see more of tien
Tien by some distance. Same reasons people said piccolo was way too weak before super hero, all they do is train, tien especially his goal is to be a new gen Mutaito
Ion know what they are talking about, everybody needing to be stronger, but all Imma say is Goten and Trunks, that's it to me.
Sure. But they do need to be treated a slight bit better. No reason for Tien to be as weak as he is when literally all he does is train.
Can never convince me he should be weaker than krillin
true, its bs ngl
Tien was and will always be HIM. Deserves the most portrayal and wanking out of all the purely human earthling fighters.
Idk, I feel like keeping up with Android 18, in multiple ways, would produce better results than just sparring with Chiaotzu.
@@LizziePrince101OMG thank you! Plus he already had his potential unlocked, so he'd already be some ways ahead of Tien. I never understood the always trains thing, is he just throwing tri-beams and dodon rays at mountains or something.
Roshi has literally been training for 300+ years, holy still beat him by the end of dragon ball. That’s just how far humans get on dragon ball
Real talk, Zamasu should've been written AFTER the tournament of power. That way his motives would've had so much weight to it.
First time seeing/hearing that idea and it's low-key gas. It would definitely validate ALOT of what bro did. I think if that happened, not only could you make the conflict more grand, but also, Zamasu would most definitely be justified by some characters perspectives.
Yes that would of worked better
@@ZSAestheticsMy thing is, why do you need validation for a universe to get erased by a vindictive god?
@@DouglasDundee Validation is the wrong word. It would just make more sense than "Fuck morties" Which in turn makes the conflict more interesting because even if Zamasu ends up being a psycho you still get where he's coming from, which is not the case for what we ended up getting.
Couple that with blue being revealed later maybe an arc before (TOP in this hypothetical scenario) or during black goku arc, it would've been crazy good.
I dont mind side characters not having development since the characters we already even care about, already had theyre development. Now we can sit here and say give them theyre own fights, but in 2024, do we really need yeamcha, krillin or tien character development? If your gonna give them development, make it make sense in the story, instead of just giving them a power up, just for the sake of making them as strong as the characters that actually matter like broly, gohan, goku, vegeta, piccolo and so on. Its fine if characters dont get development if they're story's are all wraped up
I could see what you mean if certain characters weren’t apart of the cast anymore.But these are people that we frequently see.I feel like certain side characters are more important than other.It just kind of feels weird seeing someone be apart of the main cast but just don’t do anything.And who wouldn’t mean to see a few panels or episodes of someone like tien (who’s apart of the OG dragon ball)and let us know as a fan base what he’s been up to.
@@von1626 tien is an outlier. He's the only one I've seen that actually makes sense. And sage is right when he put him in the tier he's in. It's been too long for tien. We can see him do more in arcs. We see him open a dojo. Maybe he can find someone who's stronger then him and train them. There's definitely an arc for someone like tien for his story to not be finished. Not even necessarily a powerup but something narritvely speaking
@von1626 you can't keep every side character a spotlight to keep them relevant by having them do things all the time though. Otherwise the narrative is bloated & loses focus. I see what you're getting at, but it'd be a lotta work for an ultimately shallow goal
earthlings at this point are washed or useless😂
Yet its ok for charcters like piccolo gohan and trunks to get bs power ups
Piccolo has always been used as a measuring stick for other bad guys power. He suffers from a thing called the warf effect. When someone is kinda strong, and then that guy fights an even stonger guy to show the audience that the new bad guy is gonna be trouble for the mc. Like abari renji from bleach.
Piccolo doesn’t get worfed as much in the manga compared to the anime. Like there aren’t as many losses that are just for power scaling against him in the manga.
@@yumin_pluto558 even if he's not fighting, he's always used as a measuring stick for the bad guys. He was sweating from raditz. He kills raditz, trains with gohan, gets low ish diff by nappa. Even if it was a 1v1, nappa full health low diffs piccolo. Piccolo comes back to life, fuses with nail and is on par with 2nd for freiza. Trains for 3 years with goku and gohan, mid diffs dr.gero. fuses with kami and is on par if not stronger then 1st form cell. Then fights andriod 17 and its pretty close untill cell shows u after eating like 6 towns worth of people. Then trains by himself in the hyperbolic time chamber and even vegeta is like ey yo? Even if Piccolo isn't losing my fights, he's always the measuring stick
For your Daboura take, After majin Buu packs him up, he comes out of the rubble, opens a portal to the demon realm then dips. Boom, setup for him to do something in a future arc. It was established that he thought he was the shit, realized he wasn’t, and he found out how much of a threat earth was. Easy layup for a future arc
Nah it’s scummy that the human who never stopped training ain’t shit to krillen. Tien should have been the strongest human and that’s it
yea i don’t like tien getting hoed , that’s prolly the main one i agree with you guys on
Well he isn't just accept it
@@kaidenjohnson2624no
Preach
I low-key disagree, the reason why Krillin is the strongest human is because he follows the turtle hermit way of living. To me technically Master Rishi is the strongest if it wasn't for his age.
He fought a pseudo sayian type character at the TOP and he kept up with Frieza's forces in ROF.
If Roshi ever wished to be youthful I truly believe to some degree we could see moe from him that shows more techniques than powerbomb moves that we normally see.
also its hilarious that people think 17 needs more screentime/focus. dude literally WON the tournament of power, and was 1/2 of the reason (the other being 18) that future trunks even went back in time in the first place. dude is as complete of a villain-turned-hero as you can get 😂
You explained my issue with Vegeta better than I ever have. We are constantly TOLD that he and Goku are supposed to be relative, but then when it comes time to actually box he can never hang with Goku and the main villain. It's FRUSTRATING for Vegeta fans.
MAN I really want to see piccolo talk to nail and kami in his head. Especially since his new transformation focuses on his roots.
28:06 Bro really just insult Daima like we aren’t going to the Demon Realm
But yeah Dabura is just there in my opinion, he just like Raditz who introduce us to a bigger world
it’s crazy cause my homies and i were talking abt how dragon ball abandoned magic that baba had and the demon side of shit with dabura being a king and basically ignoring it but when daima was announced even my homies who asked for this were annoyed the timing just sucks cause moro arc and granolah>
I feel like titles are where Dragon Ball fans go crazy. Raditz and surprisingly Dabura are gassed up as wasted characters but I feel like that's just because of what they're associated with. Raditz within the arc as a saiyan is perfectly fine for what he is supposed to be. If this was Nappa (no TFS) no one would care. The thing that boosts Raditz is the extra drama tidbit that he's Goku's brother. That heightens the intrigue of his character and thus people want more. What Dabura connects to is interesting, people just think that for the demon realm to matter, we *need* Dabura.
14:27. Thats a yes from me.
We NEED to see goku get BETRAYED and LOCKED UP in the time chamber reaction
Shit would be so funny
i think he is referring to the what if i think carthur dojo did. search up " what if goku and goten were locked in a time chamber and betrayed"
Sage standin on bidness today chosing violence
Sage often says that "You must want a 1000 episode show" and to that i say, yes i am a one piece fan and also...if toriyama was still alive, we would of had that anyways because shueisha/toei would of milked dragon ball till the end!
Db, dbz, & dbs have 575 episodes in total . When they do make 1,000 episodes that’ll be the day Sage goes to get a regular job and quitting these idiotic rants about things he has less knowledge about than basketball 😂
@@AM2THEPM yooo the sage slander is crazy😂 I see what sage means but I think it’s a unless point to make at this time in the series.
@@jonasd.2548 he’ll say the dumbest things in the most confident, animated, and condescending tone . ESPECIALLY when he’s doing those hot take videos (I stopped watching them so idk anymore) . I’m clocking out on his “side character’s need more screen time” rant too😂 I like the videos where we see if the manga is better than the anime. Personally tho , I don’t like people being so objective about a story someone else wrote , like if yall think yall can do better than akira toriyama , then go make what-if’s or write a fan written manga and be objective there . I like everyone different takes on dragon ball and what they would like so in my mind anything is possible . I mean literally anything’s possible if the writer wants it to be right? There’s a “Comp Goku” & A “Mega Comp Goku” , people are literally power scaling him now 😂 I love it lmao , gives me more ammo in my Goku vs Superman convos💀
@@AM2THEPM most of his takes are that the show is fine the way it is and if you change something then you risk loosing something really good. I do agree that his takes on certain characters like goten or gohan for example are pushing it a little. Let them cook!😭
The biggest character that needed a power up was Tien. Like he needed one for the longest time ever. Krillin had a nice write out. Basically working as police and a family man knowing he was never really involved in most of those fights.
Tien has abilities that should work. Tien trains CONSTANTLY. He is one that needed to be scaled up. I can agree that it is too late for him though.
58:40 now i know why sage was was going at goten fans in the bio broly movie😂
I could arguably say Trunks got hoed because of his ending. And looking back at what trunks went through, he devserves much better
I think nail and kami should’ve been handled like in tfs, but maybe not as comedic, it would’ve boosted a lot of namekian lore
I think I hate the word potential now, I never want to hear it again, thank you Dragonball community
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Potential Ball Z 😭
Potential man 💀🙏🏾
Piccolo definitely deserves to keep up with sayians since he’s done it before and I’m glad the stories done him Justice. We also need Krillin and Tien to run it back in a side story because on no Earth is Mr. stopped training stronger than the master martial artist who owns a dojo and trained through every time skip. Additionally, I have hope that Goten and Trunks will get personalities, and will be able to bounce off of other side characters to form some better narratives like how the galactic prisoner attack was made cooler by getting to see just bit of characters dynamics.
44:00 Beerus is basically the moving goalpost for Goku
Considering how impactful Saiyan biology is in Dragon Ball lore, having an entire planets worth of Saiyans just sit in Universe 6 and never exploring them seems like a huge waste to me.
Facts, the world is completely trash, they don’t know how to worldbuild for shit 😂
Sage choosing straight violence and boxing with that title
He kinda spitting tho
@@mangaaddict3056 True he is (kind of) right 😂
Not really he gassing it he saying shit nobody ever said people just want to be stronger then they are now and be able to handle themselves which they barely can do@mangaaddict3056
gang… there is 4K evidence across this channel on many videos... “nobody ever said” is literal cap
@@bigt100 bro that is cap
you have massive respect for Caulifla, Kale, Android 21, legit know Videl was fuckin wasted, yeah im a fan for life man, amazing video.
Nail doesn’t need more screen time but to add to your point about him being said to be strong. He should have fought Vegeta outside of Guru’s place but the fight gets interrupted by the presence of the Ginyu’s arriving on planet. This would show that Nail is relevant to Vegeta after the Zarbon zenkai. It still makes sense for him to lose to base Frieza but have been relevant to be strong enough for Piccolo and him fusing to have some sense.
10% of this video is sage saying "Woop Woop Bang Bang" and I love it
Yajirobe has fans🤨😭
i don't understand how the saiyans of Universe 6 don't appear in the show after the tournament of power, Fr thought that at least vegeta would pay a visit to their planet, get to know the king of the saiyans in universe 6 and then train Cabba. But not even Jiren is in the show after the tournament of power, they got straight up forgotten
I think this is why many love OP's approach, the world centers in on Luffy at key points sure, but huge elements happen consistently without his input. It feels more like a world than a focus on a couple people at a time
Yeah one of Luffy's best character traits is bringing out the some potential in side characters around like we've seen with Momonosuke and Bonney in recent arcs.
Dragonball might be the only anime where people continuously get mad at the MAIN CHARACTER getting the big moments MAIN CHARACTER moments and it’s so annoying lol
I 100% agree with the Tien take, I don’t know if you remember, but I was one the one in your chat who brought up the wasted potential take for Tien that you eventually made into a short.
The main problem with my original take was the fact that I said I wanted Tien to remain a rival for longer(Which I still believe could’ve worked), but the main thing is I thought Tien should of had atleast a little relevance in the series past his own arc. And I don’t mean in terms of strength either, just play a semi key role in the story for an extended period of time, like how krillen was for the saiyan and frieza saga, you can’t tell you can’t write something for him to do, after his original arc.
I will say the idea that krillen is just flat out stronger than Tien is just BS ngl. Like krillen literally stops training after the cell saga, while Tien doesn’t, it makes 0 sense, and I hope I don’t have to explain myself on that one.
All things considered, in terms of pure “wasted potential”, I feel like Tien is pretty high up there. I mean he gets dominated by king piccolo(or maybe his son, don’t really remember), outclassed by goku in the 23rd tournament(boom, inspiration for him to train harder and seek a way to match goku again, maybe he decides to train with Kami, maybe he doesn’t match the strength of goku or piccolo, but he could atleast claim the title of strongest earthing, and you could write something like kami teaching him a unique technique that goku never learnt, just like vegeta when he went to yardrat ), He dies in the saiyan saga, is dead for the frieza saga, has 1 moment in the cell saga, and gets slept frame 1 in the buu saga.
And don’t want to hear anything like this happens to all the earthlings, as, like I said earlier, krillen is relevant for the beginning 2 sagas of Z, Roshi did plenty in OG dragon ball, Yamaha was a joke character frame 1, and who really thought choutzu was going to do anything?
Let’s not forget Uub was the difference between goku going from being blue to UI in the manga that shit got me hype
its crazy how some people actually think you putting another character below goku, who you consistently refer to as “my glorious king”, is somehow hating on that character. I guess if theyre not youre favorite number 1 character you must hate them huh 🙄 people acting like everything is black & white
Fu in Heroes was Dabura's Prodigy. In Xenoverse he just wanted to study time and be the coolest nerd in DB History.
Respect, for including vegeta. Still so frustrating that the writers constantly disrespect him
I don’t have to watch more than 2 minutes in to know your fluffing for goten slander lol
Nail, only because Vegeta randomly brought up the fact that he can bring Nail back, Nail is still alive in Piccolo, but honestly all he needs is to talk to Dende one more time and tell him how proud he is. Then either stay to be Piccolo's student or go back to Namek and become Namek's Piccolo figure like he was originally.
That whole Cyborg Raditz comment is funny asf bruh... Like what?
I can’t believe people don’t understand how much energy Majin Vegeta versus ssj2 Goku was. At that point both of them were beyond galaxy destroying energy blow for blow. Imagine how much energy they were creating and that is why they had to introduce SSJ3 Goku fr
Ngl a spinoff Shaolin early 90's style alternative universe anime movie with the earthlings would go crazy
Facts
Buu absorbing Dabura first would have been interesting
side characters were made to get hurt so the mc can get pissed off.
100,000k otw!!😎
Please do this with Naruto because I swear Naruto fans think every single character should have been the main character rather than Naruto it’s actually crazy 😂
Yeah it's way worse with people complaining in naruto
I don’t mess with Naruto like that but from what I hear Rock Lee is a popular topic of discussion for this case. Would that be justified or…?
@@ef-jkota3611 def not, mainly because his story was basically complete the moment he came into the story, he was the hard worker than have nothing from the start but still managed to react a insanely high lvl of strength despite that but then that’s it his character arc is over so there was no need to do anything more with him story wise
@@datbo1jay1 I see I see, so who would be considered the “kid trunks” of Naruto “WE NEED MIRE SCREENTIME!!!”?
@@ef-jkota3611 probably itachi, he’s the character that a lot of people liked in a short amount of time to the point where they want him on screen all the time, he’s at least one of the character I think is at least justified to be a main character cuz he had a pretty long story
14:27 Dragon Ball Multiverse, the precursor to TOP
Videl didn't just learn to fight, have one fight and never do it again. She learned to fight, got beaten within an inch of her life, then never fought again
Finally someone says it, side characters need to be side characters. It's fine.
People spread the word, Sage needs to react to that one “What if Frieza turned good?!” Pretty sure there’s only one at the moment and it would be hella funny
Bardock could have had a prequel series, possibly, but I feel like bringing him back could be a bit like bringing back Superman's biological dad
Im standing on goten and trunks needing more screen time
Haven’t watched the video yet, but having a little bit of screen time for the other fighters throughout an arc or something with some improvement would be nice. All they do now is show up, do little to no damage and just wait for the ‘heavy hitters’ to show and mop up everything.
Spopovich Turned Videl into a Everyday House Wife after that Beating at the World Martial Arts Tenkaichi Budokai Tournament 😂😂😂
I think some of the humans could retain minor relevance by being a mentor to the youngest generation.
It would be really cool if we had characters like Goten or Pan learn some of the OG signature moves we haven't seen in decades.
This could also make room for some really cool character dynamics, and help keep the old guard still in the story without taking up too many episodes.
It'd be cool if nail fought dodoria and zarbon
19:06. I’m just glad vegeta got his 5/5.
Assuming it happens, give MUI the assist, bardock flash back as goku launches a ki blast at black friezas super nova. Then have Vegeta finish it with a final flash. Finally taking the kill
I miss launch so much tbh she was actually like my top 3 fav characters because how extra she was
The thing is it would be a breath of fresh air you know.
I really don't have a good schedule to be keeping up LMAO
I'll probably say who's the most in need of screen time in another comment, but I do have to make it expressively clear that Goten and Trunks did NOT age accurately. While Saiyans do have a rapid height growth at a certain point, it's still noticeable for the time up to it, with people noting in the original Dragon Ball that Goku was getting slightly taller. With Gohan, we had a 7 year Time Skip for his main growth spurt, but he was still growing in height all the way up to the point of the Cell Saga. Toriyama was also attempting to depict Gohan's growth being more human than Goku's, but that seems to be a vision that was lost after he put down the pen.
I'm surprised ribrianne is right in that placement but if you see ribrianne then they would always have to include the other 2 since shes always wirh them
Give krillin ui as he’s a prior monk he’d probably grasp this easier than tien, and make tien master the kaioken like to heights goku couldnt (they change stuff all the time in terms of conditions) and make Yamcha wish to be a super Saiyan like in a fit or smn and once he’s strong he’d be definitely be motivated to train
Bro did my glorious king named goten dirty as hell 38:35 bro didnt even said a thing about it, i believe that goten is the goat, prove me wrong
27:05 yes we do TSO… yes we do 😪
W video but i fucking cried when you accidentally gave a shout out to burcol LMAOO
😂😂😂
It is NOT too late for Cooler just like it wasn't too late for Broly in 2018
Filler arc idea, trunks buu saga, could’ve been a fun short 10-12 episode arc, not the most relevant, but that’s why it would be a filler arc.
100k sage otw🤧‼️
The we are done with the 90s narrative in DBZ 💀I'm fucking weak
You should react to Dragon ball Kakumei. It's by far the best dragon ball fan manga with actually good writing
Absolutely not
No, it's not. Art is great, but the story is one of those cringe super edgy stories that never fit Dragonball.
@@blackanimelover18 Goku of all people was throwing planets 😂
@@blackanimelover18 vegeta and gohan were handled pretty well. And compared to other fan mangas it's definitely the best
@@kaienglish271 those planets didn't have life
Yajirobe is plenty relevant. Not only was he the first character in Sparking Zero to get nerfed, he defeated a few of King Piccolo's minions, cut off Vegeta's tail to save Goku in the Saiyan Saga, and survived the Androids and Goku Black in Future Trunks' timeline (Up until Zeno erased it all)
I don’t want the Ginyu Force to come back. But it is cool to think about what they could be if they came back. Idk, I’d like to see them do something in a game. Not the show obviously. But in a game, I would love that.
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If you got complaints about the Ginyu Force, just watch One Piece already lol
Me personally I can never say Krillin needs more screen time he’s in the show a hefty amount of times playing key roles in the Saiyan saga, Namek Saga, and Cell saga and even played a role in the tournament of power he gets the most screen time of all the earthlings easily
Dude in chat “after Android saga he’s a 17 and cell victim” wtf is bro on about? Did we watch the same fight between android 17 and piccolo? The cell part is no discussion but the 17 part is outlandish. Piccolo was on par with 17. They legitimately ran a fair 1 on 1 until cell third partied
FINALLY ANOTHER TIER LIST VIDEO
The only thing i want from Kami/Roshi is not future stories but past stories from kami becoming the guardian or the original namekian that he and king piccolo split from to young prime roshi
Okay Ik I’m late but if goku and vegeta learned god ki and ssgss. Wouldn’t the whole trunks time line be changed or am I tweaking
1:06:23 nah frfr if Trunks not coming back as The Drink, Id rather have Granola.
TSO SAGE I beg of you bro, if there are two fanfictions of dragon ball you must read, it's db kakumei and db multiverse
I mean it’s still pretty disappointing that they aren’t that important like they once were.
Side not, but I’d definitely love to see you react to tan manga. I’d love to see your Dragon Ball Kakumei reaction. One of the best fan manga out there imo
Goku’s family is awesome 😊
I wish we had backstories on dragonball items i.e nymbos vegito earrings fusion jacket etc
If you end up doing fan manga, DB multiverse is something you should check out
In my opinion, the character in most dire need of screen time would likely be Tien Shinhan, and in particular, this includes even his origins. When Goku got a retcon to become a Saiyan, with Piccolo becoming Namekian, why did we not address the Triclops? Why didn't we write something in, largely considering that the lore already set is extremely malleable? He really got hoed more than anyone in the series, not even learning Kaioken, never surpassing Krillin, the list goes on.
And there's so many people who want to argue by using the facts we have about him, which adds to the problem. The whole point of this is that they should have written things differently, and it's weird to waffle like that. It's ultimately too late for Tien, but that doesn't change the fact that it would be a good opinion to state that he needed it the most, and still does despite having the least likely chance.
Although, if we're really going to say someone else was misrepresented... They could have thrown some wild bullshit in that anime ritual and made Videl the first human Super Saiyan LOL
Why though? He was a a main antagonist got beaten
@@ahmadazem4167 Piccolo Jr and Vegeta were also antagonists, I'm just saying that we don't need to sideline characters for the sake of saving time. Tien especially has a stronger argument than the rest for me because of his poorly explained species; yes, there's many answers, I know those answers, and I'd rather there be more than what's given.
Goten Vegeta Cabba arc could fix characters, play an interesting dynamic/give a could dynamic
Ginyu force was so cool that gohan stole their flow
I give my favorite side characters shine time in games. So... Imma keep doin that.
4k away!! Anime arc going crazy.
Superhero movie Pan is by far her best iteration yet, can I point to the "I'VE NEVER MET THAT MAN IN MY LIFE 🗣️‼️" part????
also Sage hate them Goten fans cuz that mf maturing into a nonchalant dreadhead and we all wish we were the nonchalant dreadhead
The problem is super saiyan. 50x boost is ridiculous. Like goku already stomps most of the side cast in base add ssj to it and none can even compete reasonably
I’m glad my glorious king cell didn’t get a botched return like Frieza did in res f. Bro stayed perfect and died in the best way possible
39:37 i habe to disagree here. At least in the case of the buu arc (and if z was the actual end of the series) goten kinda represents something for goku to come back to
they just want endless slice of life this isn't just a dragon ball thing tho
Nah I don’t know why your sleeping on Turtle, we NEED more Turtle, full backstory, Turtle transformations, and a whole Turtle arc. He truly did get hoed
Totally agree with this tier list 🎉
I think lowkey Z Broly backstory is misunderstood, he got stabbed as baby that’s traumatic asf & having Goku crying/ seeing his face could be a reminder of set trauma adding into play
Not a "wasted character" and this borders on fanfic territory but this character would be fucking hard (although without some ass pull they wouldn't be shit to manga goku and vegeta)
Baby vegito/gogeta Black
This shit would be sooo cool in my opinion, its technically impossible now that zamasu is erased sadly
I agree my Glorious king Tien already has cool ass moments
You ment
Ion king vegeta interacting with the half-breeds.And you did not mention he's grand kids at all