FYI: I mention in the video that there are no instructions, that's WRONG, there are instructions, really good written ones are included. Also, for those that have bought previously, you can login with the same email you used to purchase and you'll be able to get the latest version. One more thing, it looks like CURA now has per-material shrinkage compensation in the latest Beta version so I'll be sure to make a new update for that. (upgrades are free) Merry Calibration, and Happy Printing!
i am having some issues with your website, i cant get the captia to show up to request help with this. i bought the original and cant access my account to update is there a better way of getting in touch with you about this?
got the calibration flower today, in order to use it to calibrate materials that crystallize when annealing and as such shrink significantly. would be really cool to add features to calibrate in Z direction too for these materials
Percentage compensation in cura is actually on a material basis. You can add it to material settings and put it for the material you are using. You just have to add it as an option.
@Vector3D: Kind remark from an mechanical engineer: please don't advise calibrating machine settings on material base. Steps per mm should be calibrated with calipers, not with an actual print, because of the dependency of material flow, extrusion temperature and fan speed causing shrinking, with ABS shrinking in general... You get the point. I love your Califlower for material settings calibration though. Good job 👍 🙂
Thanks so much for this video and calibration method. You've put in a lot of time and thought and testing into this. Kudos and hats off to you my good sir! I'm printing the first one now!
The Overhang & Bridging stls were/are extremely helpful. :) The overhang test helped nicely to set SuperSlice’s angle for overhangs as well as to see where cooling lacks. The bridging was a nice simple test. Sometimes all the really fancy ones just over complicate things. These were two simple stls that worked just so nicely. It will be disappointing to no longer have them included in our package updates. Sure they may lack the extra docs, but sometimes a simple stl is nice to have. :)
I bought the califlower a couple of days ago and did not get the overhang and bridging stls. I would love to have those. Is there any way to get these now?
You appear to have all the information needed from inner and outer measurements. Is it possible to add extrusion multiplier adjustment calculation too?
@@Vector3DP Ok cool. Thank you. In the chart on your shop page I see Cura isn't supported. Does that mean that the corrections this Excel file proposes aren't supported in Cura? As in there's no place to enter the changes? I'd gladly make the jump to Orca if I could copy over my tuned Cura filament profiles successfully.
I've printed this multiple times, and I cannot get the skew to 100. One side is always over 100 and the other side is always under 100, any tips? What am I doing wrong? Thank you!
@@Vector3DP ya, I understand that, but I was getting it around 100.6 and 99.6, then when I tried it again, I got somewhere around 101 and 99 I think, I can't get it anywhere close to 100 though.
i have question, thinking to buy this but i got questions need to answered. 1. Does it applicable to my printer, ender 3 v2? because the website mentions prusa and prusa, makes me think oh this only for prusa? 2. how do i input the correction into cura? especially the X Y errors?
Click on "My account" and then "Lost your password". It will send you e-mail to reset the password. After you do this, log in and the files should be there in the Downloads section.
I know this is a completely different type of programming and probably not even possible.. but is there anyway to write an app that can take these measurements from a picture? With like, a quarter also in the picture? Considering the amount of recalibration that 3D printers generally need, even an app with ads should generate enough revenue to approach an app programmer.
Yeah, these size measurements would be VERY difficult to catch on a standard camera, what with perspective and lens distortions and everything else. HOWEVER, your idea isn't far off for structured blue light scanning (revopoint pop mini) or lidar (Bambu X1), and the califlower+included methodology may be a good baseline for making the tuning tooling that pair with those emerging technologies to dial-in the crap out of future printers.
I found this interesting enough I had to reverse engineer it myself. couple things: a) Skew the Marlin AD distance, 100*2^-0.5, doesn't that need to be scaled? That is the perfect value and the AC and BD are in a scaled space. b) if the Avg X Error and Avg Y Error are different wouldn't that indicate one of the axis has its Step/mm off. I'd expect them to be the same if only material shrinkage was at play. c) seems to me flow compensation could be calculated. Scale the measurements by the Shrinkage / Step/mm Then calculate the Inner/Outer Error off the new values. d) If you know Skew setting for a set of measurements. The new value is just the sum of the measured angle and the prints skew setting angle.
I have been using the Califlower to commission my E3D TC. Incredibly helpful! And thanks for the tip on line thickness, I think it explains my slight discrepancy between internal/external measurements.
You should offer a free version now since it's been 2 years. Make it smaller so we get less correction lol but still be able to help people who have no funds. (Me)
I have bought a califlower a couple days ago. Unfortunately i did not create an account. The tip above "go to My account and click reset password", does not work. The system throws the error message "Invalid username or email". Is there any way to update my califlower to the latest versions? A little proposal, as you mentioned in the video a califlower can shows us underextrusion and overextrusion cases, it would be easy to add the field for starting flow number and calculate an assumption flow value to minimize this error.
It looks like TH-cam is now auto-generating chapters from on-screen titles and it's thoroughly confused by your animation :D L Explanations 7 L Iteration 7 😹
I'm probably going to be labeled a cheapskate for this remark, but I'm going to state it anyway (probably because I am a cheapskate): if you want this to replace calibration cubes, then make it free!
honestly, and I don't mean any shade, but I humbly think you're missing the point. it's not that you're a cheapskate. I see it that it's worth way more than the money charged because it saves me time and I'm getting a huge bargain on all the time and effort and skills this man has put into this project. If you were truly a cheapskate, you could create this yourself easily and negate having to pay. I haven't seen any other calibration that tells me this much information which is also laid out so straight forward and simply. I was literally in the process of setting up my own inner and outer measurements thingy when I stumbled on this man's project. So, so, so worth it. Again, I mean no disrespect brother!
I have been using the Califlower to commission my E3D TC. Incredibly helpful! And thanks for the tip on line thickness, I think it explains my slight discrepancy between internal/external measurements.
FYI: I mention in the video that there are no instructions, that's WRONG, there are instructions, really good written ones are included.
Also, for those that have bought previously, you can login with the same email you used to purchase and you'll be able to get the latest version.
One more thing, it looks like CURA now has per-material shrinkage compensation in the latest Beta version so I'll be sure to make a new update for that. (upgrades are free)
Merry Calibration, and Happy Printing!
i am having some issues with your website, i cant get the captia to show up to request help with this. i bought the original and cant access my account to update is there a better way of getting in touch with you about this?
got the calibration flower today, in order to use it to calibrate materials that crystallize when annealing and as such shrink significantly. would be really cool to add features to calibrate in Z direction too for these materials
why the model this expensive, this price a bit pricie
Percentage compensation in cura is actually on a material basis. You can add it to material settings and put it for the material you are using. You just have to add it as an option.
@Vector3D: Kind remark from an mechanical engineer: please don't advise calibrating machine settings on material base. Steps per mm should be calibrated with calipers, not with an actual print, because of the dependency of material flow, extrusion temperature and fan speed causing shrinking, with ABS shrinking in general... You get the point.
I love your Califlower for material settings calibration though. Good job 👍 🙂
From the start it was always for shrinkage and skew. But some people can't integrate shrinkage well, so steps/mm is just for them really.
Thanks so much for this video and calibration method. You've put in a lot of time and thought and testing into this. Kudos and hats off to you my good sir! I'm printing the first one now!
The Overhang & Bridging stls were/are extremely helpful. :) The overhang test helped nicely to set SuperSlice’s angle for overhangs as well as to see where cooling lacks. The bridging was a nice simple test. Sometimes all the really fancy ones just over complicate things. These were two simple stls that worked just so nicely. It will be disappointing to no longer have them included in our package updates. Sure they may lack the extra docs, but sometimes a simple stl is nice to have. :)
I bought the califlower a couple of days ago and did not get the overhang and bridging stls. I would love to have those. Is there any way to get these now?
Great work my friend. Very cool, I will try your new Califlower 👍
Fixed my dimensional accuracy issues on my BambuLabs P1S, Thank You!
This is super cool.
Thanks 😊 I think so too!
Note about Cura, the 5.1 beta DOES have shrink compensation for specific materials now.
Oh that's good 👌
Would be cool if you added a solid base layer so you could use the multitude of Califlowers printed as drink coasters.
Thank you for your work on this.
Might make a Califlower coaster holder for the new apartment xD
Hey Vector 3D, if we've purchased the old Calibration Flower v7, will we have inclusive access of the new Califlower? 🤔
Yep
I'm happy 😁 Got XY down to 0,01 -0,01. and skew I/O to 0,00 -0,01
Before calibration they were -0,3 -0,4 and -0,4 - 0,27
You appear to have all the information needed from inner and outer measurements. Is it possible to add extrusion multiplier adjustment calculation too?
how about PLA vs ABS ?
is I'm using ABS do I need to resize it by 100.5% ?
thing is with rotation distance in klipper it specifically tells you that numbers should be whole
All for the community 💸
if it was free.
Is this design and calibration object still relevant 2 years later? Have there been any updates/changes to it?
Still the best method available. Quite a few free updates to it too.
@@Vector3DP Ok cool. Thank you. In the chart on your shop page I see Cura isn't supported. Does that mean that the corrections this Excel file proposes aren't supported in Cura? As in there's no place to enter the changes? I'd gladly make the jump to Orca if I could copy over my tuned Cura filament profiles successfully.
@@pattygq Yep, cura is just not great for the shrinkage compensation because it needs to be per filament and it isn't setup that way.
@@Vector3DP Gotcha. Thanks!
You mentioned Pursa Slicer and Cura. Is this something that would be worth while for a Bambu? Namely PS1?
I've printed this multiple times, and I cannot get the skew to 100. One side is always over 100 and the other side is always under 100, any tips? What am I doing wrong? Thank you!
You're unlikely to get it perfect, there's no such thing as perfect when it comes to manufacturing. You should be able to get close though.
@@Vector3DP ya, I understand that, but I was getting it around 100.6 and 99.6, then when I tried it again, I got somewhere around 101 and 99 I think, I can't get it anywhere close to 100 though.
Hi! Thanks for amazing work on XY calibration. Do you have a solution for Z calibration as well?
Does anyone know if this is useful for calibrating a delta 3d printer? Has anyone actually done it before?
i have question, thinking to buy this but i got questions need to answered.
1. Does it applicable to my printer, ender 3 v2? because the website mentions prusa and prusa, makes me think oh this only for prusa?
2. how do i input the correction into cura? especially the X Y errors?
Can I use this on the ender 3 S1 pro. I use Cura as the splicer.
Maybe this was addressed in the video but I missed it, but is this only for Marlin? Is there skew correction for RRF/Klipper as well?
He has it for Klipper and Rep Rap
@@woodwaker1 thanks!
@@legacyofbob I just purchased the files , seems like a inexpensive solution if it helps at all. It's in my project Que.
Can you please offer other payment options? I tried to by calibration test method from your store but my EU Visa card was not acctepted!
Stripe accepts all cards AFAIK so if it failed it was for another reason. PayPal is also available though.
@@Vector3DP Thank you very much! I have bought 2 because I think 5 pound is a a little to cheap for the time and effort you you invested!!
But still the same question like an CR-30 you cant really use your test would you like to improve it also for it ?
You cant set % shinkage per material in Prusaslicer but you can set it in Superslicer! :)
So ESteps and flow needs to be done prior to printing the Califlower. Altow through my understanding in the video it works to a center line.
Thanks so much for your work on this! I bought the calibration flower from the link on the old video. Is it the same product?
Just have the email of the purchase but no account to download the new version. Where do I get it?
Click on "My account" and then "Lost your password". It will send you e-mail to reset the password. After you do this, log in and the files should be there in the Downloads section.
So if we bought the last one is this update free?
Yup
Sorry if this is addressed elsewhere, but can this be used with a Prusa Mk 3? I bought it before I remembered there might be firmware issues.
I know this is a completely different type of programming and probably not even possible.. but is there anyway to write an app that can take these measurements from a picture? With like, a quarter also in the picture?
Considering the amount of recalibration that 3D printers generally need, even an app with ads should generate enough revenue to approach an app programmer.
I think we're a long way from a camera being good enough to capture the resolution needed for this level of calibration.
Yeah, these size measurements would be VERY difficult to catch on a standard camera, what with perspective and lens distortions and everything else.
HOWEVER, your idea isn't far off for structured blue light scanning (revopoint pop mini) or lidar (Bambu X1), and the califlower+included methodology may be a good baseline for making the tuning tooling that pair with those emerging technologies to dial-in the crap out of future printers.
I literally just bought this like 4 days ago lol and now you changed it. I think i got the new one though as it has step/mm in it?
Yep, it's been there about a week. You get all updates free anyway though so don't worry :)
Are the updates free to those who have already bought the calibration flower previously?
Yes, for those that already purchased, you should already see these files available to you. Just need to login and download.
CaliCoaster?
I found this interesting enough I had to reverse engineer it myself. couple things: a) Skew the Marlin AD distance, 100*2^-0.5, doesn't that need to be scaled? That is the perfect value and the AC and BD are in a scaled space. b) if the Avg X Error and Avg Y Error are different wouldn't that indicate one of the axis has its Step/mm off. I'd expect them to be the same if only material shrinkage was at play. c) seems to me flow compensation could be calculated. Scale the measurements by the Shrinkage / Step/mm Then calculate the Inner/Outer Error off the new values. d) If you know Skew setting for a set of measurements. The new value is just the sum of the measured angle and the prints skew setting angle.
I have been using the Califlower to commission my E3D TC. Incredibly helpful! And thanks for the tip on line thickness, I think it explains my slight discrepancy between internal/external measurements.
So how do you use it lol
Check the first video, or the instructions that come with it.
you could call it calicoaster
You should offer a free version now since it's been 2 years. Make it smaller so we get less correction lol but still be able to help people who have no funds. (Me)
I already gave away over 3k units of this for free. I'll let you do the maths on that.
I have bought a califlower a couple days ago. Unfortunately i did not create an account. The tip above "go to My account and click reset password", does not work. The system throws the error message "Invalid username or email". Is there any way to update my califlower to the latest versions?
A little proposal, as you mentioned in the video a califlower can shows us underextrusion and overextrusion cases, it would be easy to add the field for starting flow number and calculate an assumption flow value to minimize this error.
YT comments not the best place for support, but just make you use the same email you purchased with.
It looks like TH-cam is now auto-generating chapters from on-screen titles and it's thoroughly confused by your animation :D
L Explanations 7
L Iteration 7
😹
Califlower? Mmm gotta love that OG indoor. Don't ship this across state lines folks. You wouldn't download a weed👁
this is fnatastic!
13€ is way too expensive for a personal use license.
looks more like a waffle
I'm probably going to be labeled a cheapskate for this remark, but I'm going to state it anyway (probably because I am a cheapskate): if you want this to replace calibration cubes, then make it free!
I second this!
I would say make the stl free but add an option to buy the spreadsheet that auto-calculates for you.
honestly, and I don't mean any shade, but I humbly think you're missing the point. it's not that you're a cheapskate. I see it that it's worth way more than the money charged because it saves me time and I'm getting a huge bargain on all the time and effort and skills this man has put into this project. If you were truly a cheapskate, you could create this yourself easily and negate having to pay. I haven't seen any other calibration that tells me this much information which is also laid out so straight forward and simply. I was literally in the process of setting up my own inner and outer measurements thingy when I stumbled on this man's project. So, so, so worth it. Again, I mean no disrespect brother!
Yeah, if the product pays for itself then it's a net positive and is actually saving you money.
I have been using the Califlower to commission my E3D TC. Incredibly helpful! And thanks for the tip on line thickness, I think it explains my slight discrepancy between internal/external measurements.