How strong would we be able to safely say he is in the grand scheme of dragons, idk if lore suggests anything but since he can go toe to toe with revereds’ and legends id say he’s a tough lil shit
Well raising cattle to eat for everyone and smithing (hopefully only) for all the intelligent humanoid races around. Now I have to think of the guy who makes sculptures out of needlepins and stuff
@@Cognitohazzard dragon cult are more like servants and they cook the meat with their fire shouts lol, yol toor shooling those cattle to become fine barbecue.
Yeah, I made a shout used to kill dragons, it’s so strong that aldrin fears it immensely. What does it do you ask? It does like 0 damage and makes them sit down for a lil bit
It honestly always bothered me that we supposedly HAVE to kill the dragons. Alduin is one thing, as well as any fiercely loyal followers, but the rest should be able to be our ally, especially since we're the dragonborn.
My head-canon is that the dragons who attack are either: A) Still loyal to Alduin, B) Refusing to bow to a mortal, or C) Wishing to slay you, to absorb your power.
Bend Will? That's what I do during Dragon Priest playthroughs. Almost like trials of strength, and once I've earned the Thu'um it's like screaming "CUT THAT SHIT OUT OR ILL ALDUIN YOUR ASS"
"supposedly the cliff racers pushed the dragons out of Morrowind" Of course they did, only Saint Jiub could truly stand up to those beasts, not even the Nerevarine was able to beat them.
So the Dragons that died in Elsweyr never had their souls devoured, therefore are technically still alive? Or at the very least able to be brought back?
Unknown name I imagine that fact could be used in later stories, perhaps even when the end of Nirn occurs. Although I’m not very literate when it comes to Elder Scrolls lore.
@@ArgonTH-cam When the Kalpa ends, the mortal realm is completely reset (including the souls). So the Dragons would naturally come back anyway. All Souls are small fragments of the Original Soul. Akatosh was born from the Original Soul and all dragons are small pieces of Akatosh. But when the World resets, we don't know exactly what it will turn into... the primary theory right now is that Peryite will replace Akatosh as King of the Gods.
Unknown name Ah thanks for the information. As I stated I’m not really the best when it comes to the Elder Scrolls lore, but learning new things about the universe as a whole is quite a fun experience.
"Due to th'uum being more closely tied to their language, fights are more closely related to heated debates than actual fights." Dragon to another dragon: "Your waifu is shit!" *Dragon war has begun*
Septlaxer Gaming whilst every mortal shakes by the words of the mighty dovakiin a thum FUS RO DAH, the worldeater also known as alduin understands its true meaning „YOUR MOM GAY“
You forgot to mention Odahving, one of Alduin's liutenants during the events of Skyrim. He betrayed him and changed his loyalty towards us, the Dragonborn as we beated him un combat and he considered dragonborn stronger than Alduin.
@@Elrarion2 I didnt realize until right now that Odahviing was Alduins right hand. Somehow I missed that bit of dialog. I just thought he was some random dragon........ guess that explains why he knew where Skuldafn was though. Seems like Alduin would keep that a closely guarded secret. It also explains why Odahviing and Parthurnax discuss the future after defeating Alduin.
@@alphabroncotwozero392 It's even worse when you have survival mods installed and fall in the water, manage to kill the dragons and then freeze to death right afterwards.
i killed Paarthurnax but now i restarted and will not kill him but i wanna kill that asshole Ulfric Stormcloak for the impire ! secret reveal: i used to support the stormcloaks
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I'd go the Miraak route, gain power as a Dragonpriest and then fight back against them, although from within. Raise an army, take out any threats as sneakily as possible before a full out attack.
In Skyrim, I would highly recommended you install two mods - KS Dragon Overhaul 2 & Dragon Combat Overhaul and then fight dragons. It's a whole new experience which will have you scooped up by giant talons, flattened on the ground by the powerful gusts of wind & running away from a meteor storm with your pants down if you're not prepared.
What does the nature of the soul of a dragon mean for the dragonborn, they will just ascend to atherius, also if dragons arn't born is it possible that the dragon born is the same dragon soul reincarnated over and over as tamriel needs it
While I like that theory the presence of Miraak in the Dragonborn DLC would throw some holes into that. There being two dragonborn in one place thus requiring two different souls
Michael Dobbin Dragons (or dragon souls to be more precise) are broken-off pieces of the oversoul of the time soul/ god (Aka). They are individual shards of a whole that is not whole. Idk what happens when a dragon soul is absorbed, but I interpret it as the individual time-aspect (the dragon-soul) being either mantled or joined by another (the Dragonborn), rather than them ascending to Aetherius. As for the reincarnation theory, I don’t think that’s it. Different Dragonborn with different motivations have existed, even at the same time (although time may not matter due to the nature of them being time-aspects). I interpret it as if Akatosh as an aspect of the time god breaks small pieces of either his aspect or of the oversoul itself and lets them inhabit the body of the Dragonborns.
@@Jonas_æ Always liked that theory. I'd go even a bit further, however. I see being Dragonborn as Alessia and the others with the dragon blood from the pact with Akatosh were and being The Dragonborn, who has the soul of a dragon, is a category all their own i.m.o. Perhaps dragons and standard Dragonborn posess shards of Akatosh's soul, and THE Dragonborn is born of a shard of the oversoul directly? It would be granted to correct Alduin's abandonment of his role since I would argue Alduin is an aspect of Akatosh and therefore it would require a true demigod to defeat him.
Whenever a dragon absorbs the soul of another dragon, it's consolidating Akatosh's power. Theoretically, once one dragon (or dragonborn) has absorbed the souls of every other dragon, that being will _be_ Akatosh, or at the very least, capable of Mantling him.
Wait wait wait. You said Numinex forgot his own name? How is that possible? To know a thu'um is to become one with the very essence of it's meaning. If a dragon somehow forgot it's own name, wouldn't the dragon simply no longer exist?
I want an explanation of how Kalpas work. Do the gods stay between Kalpas? Do they go through the same process to create Mundus, as if they are in a time loop? I have never stayed up so late thinking about fictional epistemology.
From what I understand, totally layman but, a kalpa is basically just a giant reset. So the gods would stick around but everything would be reset pre-mundus. And the roles of the Aedra and Daedra could shift. For example, Perite could go from least powerful to most powerful. Avarti has a good video on kalpa's.
The end of a Kalpa simply means Mundus goes away. Since time as we know it is unique to Mundus, Oblivion and Aetherius do not change after the Kalpa ends. BUT, as far as we know, the world also ALWAYS reforms, so the Gods still can't escape back to Aetherius. Which is another reason why they were so pissed off at Lorkhan.
Martin Septim was able to use the Amulet of Kings to transform into am Avatar of Akatosh, in the form of a very powerful dragon. Its very plausible that Tosh Raka was able to do something similar.
19:20 And don't forget the mask of Alkosh, it's similar to a dragon priest mask, and when the mask is empowered, the user is enveloped in an aura identical to the dragon aspect shout
i’ve been fascinated with the dragons of the Elder Scrolls lore and so to getting learn this much in depth of them wether or not i knew already was awesome. i’ve been watching your vids for years and this is THE BEST! love you fudge muppet
Since the dragonborns are practically dragons but in human form does that mean they are also immortal you said that dragons do not die unless their soul was consumed does that include dragonborns as well
Thank you for all the lore videos, FM. While you can read a bunch of wiki entries to get all this information it is far superior to be able to just sit someone down and say 'watch this'.
I don’t know if I misunderstood you, but you said it’s unlikely that there can be multiple Dragonborns at once. But LDB and Miraak existed at the same time. Also if the Dragonborn Emperors are actually Dragonborn, that would also mean that there can be multiple Dragonborns at once, since Uriel and Martin Septim existed at the same time.
Hallo lovely FudgeMuppet bois. I am in Los Angeles, so your videos always drop around 4-4:30 am for me. I usually just watch them when I wake up. But, last few days I have been watching this pretty close to right away. So good! You each do so well & draw us into the different series, whatever the particular subject might be. Love you guys & hope you are all doing well. Summer here, so Winter there? If so, stay cozy, gents.
You skipped over Odahving and Vultheryol when discussing unique dragons. Vultheryol, I kind of understand, but Odahving is completely unique in his appearance and interactions.
man the intro music is soo nostalgic i can't believe its been 9 years since it came out i remember being 10 when it first came out a friend of mine bought it and invited me to play it and instantly i wanted my mom to buy it for me and i would spent hour upon hours completing it ahhh so many memories
An ideea just hit me hearing you, if Akatosh can bestow the gift of dragonborn on any individual as a whim perhaps the duty/ability of world eater can be bestowed the same on another, maybe Parthurnax will become the world eater at the end of time, regardless if you kill him or not in Skyrim, or another worthy dragon, Now that the dragonborn has the strongest Thum after defeating Alduin he shape the dragons into the ways of the old not being the tyrannical rules that they were under Alduin but a new milder version of cohabitants with the rest of Tamriel - my dream is that when the TSaeci will invade we will have dragon riders fighting in the great army of the Tamriel.
Unknown name every time they talk about ESO they present it as if it isn’t canon and every thing related to it should be taken with a grain of salt. They still say Cyrodiil was a jungle before Tiber Septim used god powers to terraform it into something livable despite ESO clearly showing us that Cyrodiil is not a jungle by the time Tiber Septim rose to power.
Forest You have to admit that ESO has a habit butchering ES lore and creates inconsistency in lore that has been set and recognised. For example; The only reason dragons made a return in elsweyr was to get a casual fanbase back to eso. Alduins Wall never prophesied Kalgrontiid or the planemeld or any of the events in ESO for that matter. And that was built by the Akavir before the 2nd era.
Forest im not saying it isn’t lore obviously I’m just pointing out inconsistencies and huge chunks of new lore the game brings that contradicts with lore already set within the ES time frame
@@HL5IHarrier that is the thing though each new entry in any seris is gonna change establish lore and tes is no different. Skyrim it self mucked lore up such as the Blades. Before Skyrim the blades as we knew them where the secret service for the emperor empress every game since daggerfall told us that. Then came skyrim and it was all wrong the blades been dragon hunters all along and only served the emperor empress cause they where dragonborns not cause loyalty. Like there was so much lore skyrim chnaged yet it gets no flak what so ever but eso gets it all the flak because a chicken that becomes jarl of riften instead of a cow as told in skyrim.
What an informative video, finally a complete-feeling summary of the lore behind the dragons in the Elder Scrolls. I've watched many of your lore vids and this has to be one of my favorites. Thinking of them as Aedra manifesting themselves in Mundus for some reason makes them ten times cooler, as I never really understood before where they lay in terms of power and influence among the Daedra and divines. I really wish we got to explore the Merethic era and its events more, the Dragon War especially. Additionally, I wonder if the dragons, the Ehlnofey and the Hist are fundamentally connected in some way, given that all three of these beings were present in the Dawn Era and have such divine niches to fulfill in the flow of future events on Nirn. Some kind of distant connection there would be really fascinating.
4:10 was mega trippy to me because one of my Argonian characters, Gryphys, has a very similar getup. The pic looks like ebony armor (?), mine has nordic carved armor with ebony boots, and im pretty sure that's a dragon priest mask edit: nvm it literally shows it in light 2 secs later, its orcish i think
R’hakatosh couldve just been a conduit like martin but since it happened to him first in a very ancient time its possible his deeds and name became merged into the use of akatosh to describe said divine
Fascinating work condensing the dragon lore in a wonderful guide, as always. Thank you again and everyone at Fudgemuppet. I only wish you would delve into the realm of the unknown and explored theories of your own. When you look at the how Lorkhain and Akatosh created Mundus it appears similar to other realms of oblivion however this is a realm that has had the immortal energies that connects all in Oblvion together, severed. In Oblivion where the world is shaped by even the simplest of lifeforms who are as immortal as they are amorphous. With this energy separated, magic is still accessible and instead of the immortal spirit reforming it's physical vessel like a Daedra's Animus, instead these souls of the mortal races ascend to the realm of pure mysticism which is shaped by the various beliefs of the now mortal races. The races of Mer clearly evolved from the "Aedra" who were just powerful Daedra whom had lost their divine immortality and evolved into mortal Mer after Mundus was created. The most powerful of these Aedra were able to use the heart of Lorkhain to finish constructing the realm then used it to become pure energy. The raw forces of energy that can be accessed by its followers, in other words, the Divines. Then you have dragons, immortal conduits of energy whose immortality has failed to have been separated from their physical vessels. Even after being slain, the soul of a dragon does not ascend and therefore any can be resurrected unless their immortal energy is absorbed and therefore assimilates into another. The dragon god of time, Akatosh and his connection to time's conclusion by the jaws of Alduin. Perhaps both are aspects that were separated from Auriel when he transcended, ignoring the potential dragon break's influence. Dragons are the closest thing Mundus has to immortal Daedra and it has been shown how these creatures can venture into other realms of oblivion and become a part of those realms like other Daedra who dwell in new realms of Oblivion. Their artifacts like Goldbrand was even claimed by a Daedra Prince.The only hole is that if the Daedra had became the Aedra who evolved into the various races of Mer, then how were the dragons born? Maybe the power the immortality itself, became personified in its patron deities form. Did the act of Auriel becoming the god of this realm of oblivion create the race of dragons? I don't even think the writers at Bethesda know this.
At the end of Southern Elsweyr main quest in ESO the dragon that help us, says something like he feel some force (or something like that) that is still there waiting to return, implying Alduin's return
In some gameplay, I don't like using Dragonrend - if you've got the soul of a Dragon, it'd be like torturing the dragon half of your being the same way Dragonrend seemed to pain Alduin right?
Hahaha! You have much to learn of the dov, then. There is nothing else but philosophy to a dovah. It is no accident that we do battle with our Thu'um, our Voices. There is no distinction between debate and combat to a dragon. Tinvaak los grah. For us it is one and the same."
@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged I tried playing it when it first came out and was incredibly disappointed. It had tons of bugs and glitches and the combat was repetitive and boring. Did a lot of that get fixed? If it did that would be awesome because the story seems pretty cool.
"I hear those elder dragons down in Skyrim have curved horns.. CURVED HORNS..!"
Who says this😂
Are those scales behind your ears?
I used to be a dragon like you, then I took an arrow to the wing...
Hey, you, you're finally awake, flew right into that elder's ambush, same as us, and that dovah over there!
do you fly to the clouds very often? Ugh what am i saying of course you don't
You forgot our old friend, the red dragon Odahviing. He’s my favorite.
How strong would we be able to safely say he is in the grand scheme of dragons, idk if lore suggests anything but since he can go toe to toe with revereds’ and legends id say he’s a tough lil shit
fuck odaviing, me and my homies hate odavhiing
@@sythesz fuck you, me and my dragon homies Paarthurnax, Durnehviir and Odahviing hate people who hate Odahviing.
Odahviing is severely underrated
@@songbird6414 nah
"Apparently the Cliff Racers pushed out Dragons out of Morrowind"
Probably because they got swarmed, and missed every single attack.
"Skree skree motherfucker"
In the same way rats and cockroaches push people out of their homes!
I have felt this pain many times in ESIII.
@@LaughingBearGames We all have friend. We all have.
@@johnballs1352 it took me 1 hour and a half to kill a woman on the road to Balmora at the start of the game
"Dragons used to raise cattle and smith weapons" Wait, what?!
Well raising cattle to eat for everyone and smithing (hopefully only) for all the intelligent humanoid races around.
Now I have to think of the guy who makes sculptures out of needlepins and stuff
And these are the guys who scratch word graffiti on walls with their claws. Like which will it be Bethesda?
Imagine a dragon with crook yodeling to its herd.
Does the Dragon Cult count as cattle? 🤔
@@Cognitohazzard dragon cult are more like servants and they cook the meat with their fire shouts lol, yol toor shooling those cattle to become fine barbecue.
Yeah, I made a shout used to kill dragons, it’s so strong that aldrin fears it immensely. What does it do you ask? It does like 0 damage and makes them sit down for a lil bit
It honestly always bothered me that we supposedly HAVE to kill the dragons. Alduin is one thing, as well as any fiercely loyal followers, but the rest should be able to be our ally, especially since we're the dragonborn.
They are, after you defeat alduin and banish him again they say you are their new leader now, dragons still attack for gameplay purposes
Bend will.
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My head-canon is that the dragons who attack are either:
A) Still loyal to Alduin,
B) Refusing to bow to a mortal, or
C) Wishing to slay you, to absorb your power.
Bend Will? That's what I do during Dragon Priest playthroughs. Almost like trials of strength, and once I've earned the Thu'um it's like screaming "CUT THAT SHIT OUT OR ILL ALDUIN YOUR ASS"
"supposedly the cliff racers pushed the dragons out of Morrowind"
Of course they did, only Saint Jiub could truly stand up to those beasts, not even the Nerevarine was able to beat them.
And yet hees traped in another dimension now
Saint Jiub:gets soul traped and dies
İdeal masters:hippity hoppity youre my property
Damn skyrats
*(Cliff Racer noise intensifies)*
Makeing the last dragonborn more powerful ooooooooooo
So the Dragons that died in Elsweyr never had their souls devoured, therefore are technically still alive? Or at the very least able to be brought back?
They can only be brought back by whatever shout Alduin used. But yes, their souls are still alive.
Unknown name I imagine that fact could be used in later stories, perhaps even when the end of Nirn occurs. Although I’m not very literate when it comes to Elder Scrolls lore.
@@ArgonTH-cam
When the Kalpa ends, the mortal realm is completely reset (including the souls). So the Dragons would naturally come back anyway. All Souls are small fragments of the Original Soul. Akatosh was born from the Original Soul and all dragons are small pieces of Akatosh. But when the World resets, we don't know exactly what it will turn into... the primary theory right now is that Peryite will replace Akatosh as King of the Gods.
Unknown name Ah thanks for the information. As I stated I’m not really the best when it comes to the Elder Scrolls lore, but learning new things about the universe as a whole is quite a fun experience.
Frightening. And the elder scrolls online takes place in the second era.
"Due to th'uum being more closely tied to their language, fights are more closely related to heated debates than actual fights."
Dragon to another dragon: "Your waifu is shit!"
*Dragon war has begun*
You look mortal!
Septlaxer Gaming whilst every mortal shakes by the words of the mighty dovakiin a thum FUS RO DAH, the worldeater also known as alduin understands its true meaning „YOUR MOM GAY“
Haha heated debate get it because of their fire breath
@@originaler31er67
Funny how every Draugr Deathlord tells the Dragonborn their mom is gay
Rofl nice!
You forgot to mention Odahving, one of Alduin's liutenants during the events of Skyrim. He betrayed him and changed his loyalty towards us, the Dragonborn as we beated him un combat and he considered dragonborn stronger than Alduin.
I think you meant Paarthunax
@@Crawdithe98 Odahving was the dragon that you (the last Dragonborn) trapped in Dragonsreach.
@@Elrarion2 I didnt realize until right now that Odahviing was Alduins right hand. Somehow I missed that bit of dialog. I just thought he was some random dragon........ guess that explains why he knew where Skuldafn was though. Seems like Alduin would keep that a closely guarded secret.
It also explains why Odahviing and Parthurnax discuss the future after defeating Alduin.
We even put dragons in fallout 76
Just facepalmed hard enough to split my nose with my glasses. Good show chap.
Those are not Dragons those are giant bats
🤣🤣🤣
Go away Todd! I trusted you!
does it work?
"He is the least impressive of the dragon trio"
Hey, that hurt his feelings.
" this kills the dragon "
What's the story of Naaslaarum & Voslaarum, the two dragons you find in the Forgotten Vale?
Honestly I think it's unknown, not a lot to go on in TESV
To the best of ky knowledge their kinda just there with no rhyme or reasons just a scary encounter
I shit my pants when I saw them cause they look so bizarre, and cause I hate the shit that comes out of water
They're there for jump scares. . . Ass holes
@@alphabroncotwozero392 It's even worse when you have survival mods installed and fall in the water, manage to kill the dragons and then freeze to death right afterwards.
Imagine being a child of Akatosh but being scared of a kitty
Wait Dragons used to raise cattle,by Oblivion now I have a images of Dragons watching over herds of sheep.
well at least we now know what Odahviing was doing before we summon him to Whiterun.
Wearing a straw hat, giant overalls, and chewing on a small tree, and Shouting "I Reckon" at each other.
Chances are these “cattle” were humans.
@@shaunbowen3308 human farms ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
george washington
Precisely Mr. President.
WINGED ARGONIANS! THEY'VE RETURNED AT LAST!
"you absolutely should not kill Paarthurnax" 😂😂😂😂
well...you shouldn't
But seriously, screw the Blades
i killed Paarthurnax but now i restarted and will not kill him but i wanna kill that asshole Ulfric Stormcloak
for the impire !
secret reveal: i used to support the stormcloaks
kill paarthurnax. esberns gives you 20% extra damage for dragons buff.
@@coskunkabalc9764 who tf cares you can just code that in but paarthunax aint no criminal and aint no stupid bitvh either
i think you forgot about Odahviing, another unique dragon.
great video as usual, informative and compact.
As cliche as Dragon's can be,I really like TES's interpretation of them.
Dragon herder and blacksmith? Now that would be a sight to see. I do hope we get to see some dragons with unique personalities in TES6.
I want to see that so badly
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A hillybilly dragon would be cool
Since they don’t have hands, I imagine they would just shout the metal into form.
Guard in town says "Watch the skies traveler", and suddenly the song of the same name starts playing when a Dragon attacks in Skyrim.😎
Wow, they're really Dragon out these videos...
JK love your content. All hail the true Tribunal!
I actually want it to be longer
@@CallumDT And thicker...
Ha! That's punny
@@ICME - i wouldn't have it any other way.
😑you can shove your 'true tribunal' up your ass. ALL HAIL THE DRAGON LORDS.
Immortal dragon: exists
Dragonborn: *immabout to eat this mans whole soul*
*"dragon"
Immoral lol
Cherry Ares lmao lemme fix that
"(Tosh Rhaka) was the only person in recorded history to do what he did and turn into a dragon"
Martin Septim: Am I a joke to you?
Well that Martin fellow turned himself into a dragon god and that's hardly sporting.
Technically he became the avatar of akatosh, not a dragon
I'd go the Miraak route, gain power as a Dragonpriest and then fight back against them, although from within. Raise an army, take out any threats as sneakily as possible before a full out attack.
Yeah that didn't work out too well for Miraak, who was a Dragonborn. Wouldn't work out for anyone else either.
In Skyrim, I would highly recommended you install two mods - KS Dragon Overhaul 2 & Dragon Combat Overhaul and then fight dragons.
It's a whole new experience which will have you scooped up by giant talons, flattened on the ground by the powerful gusts of wind & running away from a meteor storm with your pants down if you're not prepared.
What does the nature of the soul of a dragon mean for the dragonborn, they will just ascend to atherius, also if dragons arn't born is it possible that the dragon born is the same dragon soul reincarnated over and over as tamriel needs it
While I like that theory the presence of Miraak in the Dragonborn DLC would throw some holes into that. There being two dragonborn in one place thus requiring two different souls
Michael Dobbin
Dragons (or dragon souls to be more precise) are broken-off pieces of the oversoul of the time soul/ god (Aka). They are individual shards of a whole that is not whole.
Idk what happens when a dragon soul is absorbed, but I interpret it as the individual time-aspect (the dragon-soul) being either mantled or joined by another (the Dragonborn), rather than them ascending to Aetherius.
As for the reincarnation theory, I don’t think that’s it. Different Dragonborn with different motivations have existed, even at the same time (although time may not matter due to the nature of them being time-aspects).
I interpret it as if Akatosh as an aspect of the time god breaks small pieces of either his aspect or of the oversoul itself and lets them inhabit the body of the Dragonborns.
It can't be the same soul because dragon blood can literally be granted like a blessing.
Think of it like being given a VIP card by Akatosh.
@@Jonas_æ Always liked that theory. I'd go even a bit further, however. I see being Dragonborn as Alessia and the others with the dragon blood from the pact with Akatosh were and being The Dragonborn, who has the soul of a dragon, is a category all their own i.m.o. Perhaps dragons and standard Dragonborn posess shards of Akatosh's soul, and THE Dragonborn is born of a shard of the oversoul directly? It would be granted to correct Alduin's abandonment of his role since I would argue Alduin is an aspect of Akatosh and therefore it would require a true demigod to defeat him.
MultiMystery plus all the emperors sons in oblivion are Dragonborn and the emperor so that makes it a confusing
I would join the dragon cult for sure. Great video.
Whenever a dragon absorbs the soul of another dragon, it's consolidating Akatosh's power. Theoretically, once one dragon (or dragonborn) has absorbed the souls of every other dragon, that being will _be_ Akatosh, or at the very least, capable of Mantling him.
Is that a synthesized thought or could I get a source on that? Because that is fuckin crazy and super cool
Wait wait wait. You said Numinex forgot his own name? How is that possible? To know a thu'um is to become one with the very essence of it's meaning. If a dragon somehow forgot it's own name, wouldn't the dragon simply no longer exist?
Oh shit. I has that in my head too. You convincing bastard!
Suppose he died of loneliness. Noticed the skull above the Jarl's throne?
I suppose it's a dragons version of dementia or something, physically there but nothing but a shell of what it once was.
Basically, yes.
No, his body is not what makes him numinex, it’s his soul/ mind, so I’m guessing he’d become something like a zombie and simply exist
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I want an explanation of how Kalpas work. Do the gods stay between Kalpas? Do they go through the same process to create Mundus, as if they are in a time loop? I have never stayed up so late thinking about fictional epistemology.
From what I understand, totally layman but, a kalpa is basically just a giant reset. So the gods would stick around but everything would be reset pre-mundus. And the roles of the Aedra and Daedra could shift. For example, Perite could go from least powerful to most powerful. Avarti has a good video on kalpa's.
The end of a Kalpa simply means Mundus goes away. Since time as we know it is unique to Mundus, Oblivion and Aetherius do not change after the Kalpa ends. BUT, as far as we know, the world also ALWAYS reforms, so the Gods still can't escape back to Aetherius. Which is another reason why they were so pissed off at Lorkhan.
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Something about that skyrim theme at the start makes my heart jump
Someone’s been reading Skyrim’s loading screens 😏
I play on PC. There are none.
@@loganowens2587 yes there is
Because I have it on PC with tons of questionable mods from the library of the sacred loverslab
Martin Septim was able to use the Amulet of Kings to transform into am Avatar of Akatosh, in the form of a very powerful dragon. Its very plausible that Tosh Raka was able to do something similar.
So THAT'S why my parents are always arguing... it's not that they hate each other, it's that they are practicing their thu'ums and such.
19:20 And don't forget the mask of Alkosh, it's similar to a dragon priest mask, and when the mask is empowered, the user is enveloped in an aura identical to the dragon aspect shout
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Honestly, I find it amazing how much lore there is in Skyrim, it's so cool to me.
There is so much lore to this universe I can just lose myself in
i’ve been fascinated with the dragons of the Elder Scrolls lore and so to getting learn this much in depth of them wether or not i knew already was awesome. i’ve been watching your vids for years and this is THE BEST! love you fudge muppet
Alduin after saving you: Why do I hear boss music
Since the dragonborns are practically dragons but in human form does that mean they are also immortal you said that dragons do not die unless their soul was consumed does that include dragonborns as well
No because the dragonborn’s body is mortal, a dragons body isn’t which is why the world eater is able to bring other dragons “back to life”.
@@Noot-Noot7305 what about the dragon souls he gets from them does he get a increased lifespan because of them?
dragons are not immortal. i would assume what he means is that any dragon that is killed but is not soul-consumed, can be resurrected.
Absolutely brilliant videos. Just the thing I need when I need to calm down and fall asleep. You guys have the most soothing voices ever. Much love
What if Shor, via his avatar the last dragonborn, tricked Alduin into his domain(Sovngard) and Absorbed his essence(or a part of it) when he "died".
Thank you for all the lore videos, FM. While you can read a bunch of wiki entries to get all this information it is far superior to be able to just sit someone down and say 'watch this'.
I can’t wait to see where this channel goes when TES VI comes out!
-when-
*if*
He turned himself into a dragon, funniest shit I ever seen.
I don’t know if I misunderstood you, but you said it’s unlikely that there can be multiple Dragonborns at once. But LDB and Miraak existed at the same time. Also if the Dragonborn Emperors are actually Dragonborn, that would also mean that there can be multiple Dragonborns at once, since Uriel and Martin Septim existed at the same time.
I feel that since Alduin was slain in Sovenguard he was absorbed by Shor/Loken, and thus gaining more strength.
Yes! Fudgemuppet using ESO footage!
Hallo lovely FudgeMuppet bois. I am in Los Angeles, so your videos always drop around 4-4:30 am for me. I usually just watch them when I wake up. But, last few days I have been watching this pretty close to right away. So good! You each do so well & draw us into the different series, whatever the particular subject might be. Love you guys & hope you are all doing well. Summer here, so Winter there? If so, stay cozy, gents.
You skipped over Odahving and Vultheryol when discussing unique dragons. Vultheryol, I kind of understand, but Odahving is completely unique in his appearance and interactions.
Kinda glad that Aldiun decided to rebel against his duty at first, or else the world might've already been destroyed, who knows
Would you be able to put TES lore videos in one playlist?
Btw love your videos.
man the intro music is soo nostalgic i can't believe its been 9 years since it came out i remember being 10 when it first came out a friend of mine bought it and invited me to play it and instantly i wanted my mom to buy it for me and i would spent hour upon hours completing it ahhh so many memories
Lovely, content as always! Might i suggest a video about the herbs of Tamriel
Jesus christ, another upload and again with a great l/d ratio of........
78-0
It's no 1200 - 3. Lol.
@@brendanmonshall9834 2.3k-13 lol
Think this is is my Favourite video of the many I've viewed on this channel
"You trying to get some of this hot fire?" -Dylon
An ideea just hit me hearing you, if Akatosh can bestow the gift of dragonborn on any individual as a whim perhaps the duty/ability of world eater can be bestowed the same on another, maybe Parthurnax will become the world eater at the end of time, regardless if you kill him or not in Skyrim, or another worthy dragon, Now that the dragonborn has the strongest Thum after defeating Alduin he shape the dragons into the ways of the old not being the tyrannical rules that they were under Alduin but a new milder version of cohabitants with the rest of Tamriel - my dream is that when the TSaeci will invade we will have dragon riders fighting in the great army of the Tamriel.
Shor’s bones Fudge Muppet actually acknowledged ESO for once. About time you finally accept that ESO is cannon.
You act like he said "ESO isn't canon" before.
Unknown name every time they talk about ESO they present it as if it isn’t canon and every thing related to it should be taken with a grain of salt.
They still say Cyrodiil was a jungle before Tiber Septim used god powers to terraform it into something livable despite ESO clearly showing us that Cyrodiil is not a jungle by the time Tiber Septim rose to power.
Forest You have to admit that ESO has a habit butchering ES lore and creates inconsistency in lore that has been set and recognised. For example; The only reason dragons made a return in elsweyr was to get a casual fanbase back to eso. Alduins Wall never prophesied Kalgrontiid or the planemeld or any of the events in ESO for that matter. And that was built by the Akavir before the 2nd era.
Forest im not saying it isn’t lore obviously I’m just pointing out inconsistencies and huge chunks of new lore the game brings that contradicts with lore already set within the ES time frame
@@HL5IHarrier that is the thing though each new entry in any seris is gonna change establish lore and tes is no different. Skyrim it self mucked lore up such as the Blades. Before Skyrim the blades as we knew them where the secret service for the emperor empress every game since daggerfall told us that. Then came skyrim and it was all wrong the blades been dragon hunters all along and only served the emperor empress cause they where dragonborns not cause loyalty.
Like there was so much lore skyrim chnaged yet it gets no flak what so ever but eso gets it all the flak because a chicken that becomes jarl of riften instead of a cow as told in skyrim.
Great stuff. Love dragon lore!
Yesssss. It's almost like you read my personal video request and made it. 😂😂
Thanks boys!!
Dude your videos are the absolute best thank you Jarl Scott
"I'm hiccup the third, and this is 'how to train you dragon'"
If Alduin was brought in to end the world, does that mean Akatosh wanted to hit the reset button barely after creation?!
that question just changed everything wow
There are only 14 dragon priest masks that feature in Skyrim, not 19.
Maybe he's adding the Dragon born DLC masks?
He has added Creation Club masks by accident
14 masks in the main game 4 in the dlc and the wooden mask
I binge these videos everyday. Ring that bell bois. ❤
Dragons: we are superior beings!
Mortals: Wiggle opposable thumbs
What an informative video, finally a complete-feeling summary of the lore behind the dragons in the Elder Scrolls. I've watched many of your lore vids and this has to be one of my favorites. Thinking of them as Aedra manifesting themselves in Mundus for some reason makes them ten times cooler, as I never really understood before where they lay in terms of power and influence among the Daedra and divines. I really wish we got to explore the Merethic era and its events more, the Dragon War especially. Additionally, I wonder if the dragons, the Ehlnofey and the Hist are fundamentally connected in some way, given that all three of these beings were present in the Dawn Era and have such divine niches to fulfill in the flow of future events on Nirn. Some kind of distant connection there would be really fascinating.
I love these lore videos so much. Thank you FudgeMuppet!
Love these lore videos! It would be awesome to have a book with all of this laid out!
Man, he forgot the new dragon king, and skyrim's red tail call....
“He’s the only person to ever do what he did; turn into a dragon”
Martin Septim: Am I a joke to you?
Paarthurnax confirms that Alduin is the first born dragon of Akatosh. "As is usually the case with FIRST BORNS."
4:10 was mega trippy to me because one of my Argonian characters, Gryphys, has a very similar getup. The pic looks like ebony armor (?), mine has nordic carved armor with ebony boots, and im pretty sure that's a dragon priest mask
edit: nvm it literally shows it in light 2 secs later, its orcish i think
Another great video to start off my morning !!!
thank you for this video. i was wondering what the relation the eso dragons had to alduin. they're way larger than him lol
R’hakatosh couldve just been a conduit like martin but since it happened to him first in a very ancient time its possible his deeds and name became merged into the use of akatosh to describe said divine
My younger brothers birthday is on Aug 22 and he loves your videos I was wondering if you could give him a shout out
Fascinating work condensing the dragon lore in a wonderful guide, as always. Thank you again and everyone at Fudgemuppet. I only wish you would delve into the realm of the unknown and explored theories of your own. When you look at the how Lorkhain and Akatosh created Mundus it appears similar to other realms of oblivion however this is a realm that has had the immortal energies that connects all in Oblvion together, severed. In Oblivion where the world is shaped by even the simplest of lifeforms who are as immortal as they are amorphous. With this energy separated, magic is still accessible and instead of the immortal spirit reforming it's physical vessel like a Daedra's Animus, instead these souls of the mortal races ascend to the realm of pure mysticism which is shaped by the various beliefs of the now mortal races. The races of Mer clearly evolved from the "Aedra" who were just powerful Daedra whom had lost their divine immortality and evolved into mortal Mer after Mundus was created. The most powerful of these Aedra were able to use the heart of Lorkhain to finish constructing the realm then used it to become pure energy. The raw forces of energy that can be accessed by its followers, in other words, the Divines.
Then you have dragons, immortal conduits of energy whose immortality has failed to have been separated from their physical vessels. Even after being slain, the soul of a dragon does not ascend and therefore any can be resurrected unless their immortal energy is absorbed and therefore assimilates into another. The dragon god of time, Akatosh and his connection to time's conclusion by the jaws of Alduin. Perhaps both are aspects that were separated from Auriel when he transcended, ignoring the potential dragon break's influence. Dragons are the closest thing Mundus has to immortal Daedra and it has been shown how these creatures can venture into other realms of oblivion and become a part of those realms like other Daedra who dwell in new realms of Oblivion. Their artifacts like Goldbrand was even claimed by a Daedra Prince.The only hole is that if the Daedra had became the Aedra who evolved into the various races of Mer, then how were the dragons born? Maybe the power the immortality itself, became personified in its patron deities form. Did the act of Auriel becoming the god of this realm of oblivion create the race of dragons? I don't even think the writers at Bethesda know this.
Love your vids!
Alduin should attack with Smash mouth playing RockStar. And when they fall, Sound of Silence.
I would probably side with the dragons due to fear of death. But who knows, in the Elder Scrolls universe I might see things differently
Imagining Cliff Racers attacking Dragons has to be one of the funniest things.
Cliff racers, I can see that... I hate those damn skyrats
Y'all boutta make me reinstall and beat Skyrim for the thousandth time!
Beautiful vid and music man
Never knew about the eyes of the legendary dragons... and now I wish I never did. x_x
At the end of Southern Elsweyr main quest in ESO the dragon that help us, says something like he feel some force (or something like that) that is still there waiting to return, implying Alduin's return
I find it interesting that the issue of Elder Scrolls dragons not being true dragons but instead wyverns and why was not covered in this video
I know your comment is a year old but wyverns are indeed dragons
In some gameplay, I don't like using Dragonrend - if you've got the soul of a Dragon, it'd be like torturing the dragon half of your being the same way Dragonrend seemed to pain Alduin right?
Hahaha! You have much to learn of the dov, then. There is nothing else but philosophy to a dovah. It is no accident that we do battle with our Thu'um, our Voices. There is no distinction between debate and combat to a dragon. Tinvaak los grah. For us it is one and the same."
Say what you want about ESO but it did it dragons justice besides being free shouts.
I like ESO
ESO is great. People just don’t want to accept that it evolved and became worthy of the franchise.
@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged I tried playing it when it first came out and was incredibly disappointed. It had tons of bugs and glitches and the combat was repetitive and boring. Did a lot of that get fixed? If it did that would be awesome because the story seems pretty cool.
Doesn’t dragons in ESO ruin the lore? Or no?
@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged my favorite classes in ESO is the necromancer and nightblade
Only cool thing about collage of winterhold was skelton dragon
By Aka I love these videos.
I love you guys
I love your lore videos and stuff like this.