That's my issue, I understand the production crew and actors feelings, as someone who loves theater I know how hard they work, but the theater business itself it's what makes people force themselves to look at bootlegs cuz these tickets are quiet expensive. Good thing is that there's talks that at least on Broadway tickets might become cheaper for causal viewers to see productions in order to recover all the lost income they've lost. Hopefully they will actually make it cheaper and leave it like that.
but...but... there are like thousands of people who are absolutely never gonna see the show bc a) country will never become part of a tour / accessibility to theatre is v v scarce b) have not enough money to see shows regularly c) other physical circumstances w/c cannot allow them to see this is what limits theatre so much that it gives off an 'exclusive prestige' to it, like making theatre only for ppl who CAN see it. it makes ppl like me excluded from it. i do respect the actors, the creators, etc. when there's a western musical touring in my region, i absolutely see it and vow to never watch a bootleg of it. but what about other musicals? are we supposed to be left in the dark while the rest of the theatre community thrives without us? that awfully seems like privilege, and not a lot talks abt that.
Well, not everyone has the money to go see a musical in theatre. I understand that shows are very hard to produce. I understand that they cost a lot of money. But many people still go to see shows in theatres, so bootlegs really aren't affecting much. People who have the money to go will go, people who don't will watch bootlegs when available. I hardly see an issue. Also, how are bootlegs theft? It's recording a show for people who can't go to see it live. The actors and producers and such are STILL GETTING MONEY! Again, where the hell is the issue?
Ok so I may be 5 months late but I highly disagree with this comment, Making a musical is very expensive, paying for costumes, theatre rent, stage design, income towards employers etc. If producers just let everyone see shows for free, money wouldn't be coming which would mean no show. Now I know musical theatre isn't accessible for everyone but that still doesn't mean that they should make a pro shoot for free or for a $30 rate. Now producers need to get money to create more shows for the world to see, most shows don't see a revenue until 2 or 3 years from the initial opening so which would mean most professional productions would be a flop as most shows don't stay in production for more than 2 years, so basically producers loose money.
A year late but-it is theft. Did they get permission to record? No? Then that’s not legal. It’s taking their performance and the work of the creative team without their permission.
Honestly i feel like proshots would be the way to go?? It invites more people to watch, and if they wanna release it on streaming or even in theatres, i’m sure people would much rather pay $15 to see it than $200 to see them live (esp if they’re not familiar with it yet). And if a tour happens to come around, people who have seen the proshot would be more likely to feel inclined to watch it live, or even want to go see them on broadway or the west end 🤷🏽♀️
Part of the issue is how expensive it is to film and produce a proshot. Also, while lots of people would go see theatre live if they can, some money could be lost still.
@@SenoritaMarian I get how frustrating it is and I’ll point out that I’m a bootleg watcher but it still costs them money. Say you’re a casual fan. Most people would rather watch it for cheaper and decide if it’s really worth it to see. Unless someone really likes it, they might not see a musical which could cost broadway hundreds of dollars per group or person (not sure of ticket price)
@@kyrarhoades514 i agree with the proshots and im fine with bootlegs being around i just dont understand why they keep the proshots they use for trailers locked away
As someone from Mexico who loves musicals, I get where sh'es coming from but there's literally no other way for me to see this shows. We're in the middle of a pandemic, workload is so big i never have free time and there's not a lot of money. I personally watch shows in bootlegs in hopes one day I'll have enough money to go watch them live, and they hype me up more.
Bootlegs are helpful for people who live far away from any theatres where tours come and far from NYC. They’re really for people who don’t really have the opportunity to see a show but still want to appreciate it.
I can’t tell if this is a good or inappropriate connection considering the difference in severity 💀💀 But yea if it’s really an issue for them I don’t know why they don’t do proshot. I understand people would still pirate it, but most people, if allowed, would love to go see and person and would rather do that if given the opportunity rather than watch a bootleg or proshot
I kinda understand where she's coming from. But then again, she's still getting paid either way right? The bootlegs would only interfere with sales if, say, the entirety of the musical was on a streaming platform. Most musicals can't do that, due to how many profits they get. Hamilton, of course, is the exception.
I feel sorry for those who won’t be able to see the show in real life, or don’t have the chance to at least. I understand that this is illegal but I still feel kinda bad for those who really can’t. Anyways much love Queens 🥰
The thing is, there wouldn’t be any bootlegs if Broadway were reasonably priced. It costs a lot of money to watch a show when that money could have gone towards paying off loans or bills. I’m not defending anyone or anything. Bootlegs aren’t okay and yes, they are illegal. But, if Broadway was more reasonably priced then we wouldn’t be here in the first place.
this whole video honestly makes me so mad. she has NO idea how lucky she has it to just be able to see something live. i literally collect bootlegs and would still give anything to see any of the shows
I know that bootleg is illegal, but in my country, we rarely have tour. Theatre even not popular in my country. Bootleg is the only access I can get to the theatre,it introduced me to the theatre. Ever since then, I found out that theatre is what I want to be in the future, it inspired me to become a set designer. With the bootleg, it really motivates me to set a goal of flying to US and UK to watch the live performances,Im not rich, but this is definitely on my bucketlist. I'm not saying bootleg is legal but consider the problem the fan might faces, in a way bootleg helps us too. Not offend, but this is just my opinion, and sorry on my English, it is not my first language All my love to the Queens!!❤️❤️
But... I'm too broke to see it.. and I don't live close enough.. I live in another country -_-. But either ways, I'd be willing to pay (a lot) for a proshot :)
I get it. But it's not like good musicals like these will ever come to my country. And even when they do, my anxiety makes it really hard for me to go to crowded public places. These bootleg musicals make musicals accessible for me...
I just wanna say the comment thing isn’t that valid of an add on. There are many fan pages who post pictures of them who still get comments from other people spewing hate. They’d see hate whether it was on a TH-cam video or not. But I really think west end and Broadway should just do pro shots. Just a nice 3 or 4 cameras set up around the stage, it doesn’t need to have all that zoom action, effects, blah blah, they can do what they usually do and people would still pay for it. I understand it’s illegal and that I’m late as hell, but a mass majority of fans are willing to pay if the shows come to them but it’s them and their production team who never go to those places to make more money, so why not build fans off the bootlegs, or possibly proshot s, until they can come to those different areas
as much as i love love lauren byrne and understand where she's coming from, i just wanna let her know that if someone wasn't ever gonna see that show anyway due to money being a problem and such, then they wouldn't have lost it in the first place! just need her to know that boots are the only way i can see the show, and it won't stop me from wanting to see it live or spend some money on merch and whatnot
@@Elizabeth-nb7kz That's nothing like it. I am unable to go and see these shows. Literally. I don't live in England, America or all the other places the musical is being shown at. It's not that I can't afford it, it's that I can't go there. 💀
The people who defend bootlegs don't quite understand how much work goes into a musical, it's insane how expensive and time-consuming it is for every single member of the creative team, the tech team, and the actors. So when you make all of that work accessible for free on the internet you're hurting the profit all that hard work, I understand that not all musicals are available for streaming, which is a huge issue, if they could get professional recordings of every show that would be amazing, but that's not the reality, because that's incredibly expensive. So please enjoy cast recordings instead of bootlegs.
- if i was never going to see it anyway, because of money and such, they wouldn't have lost money - i mean it won't stop me from *wanting* to go see the show - bootlegs shouldn't be posted publicly anyway - and if they wanna stop bootlegs, they have to somehow make theatre more accessible
Respectfully what's entitled about it? I can only speak for myself but I'm just not able to afford to buy plane tickets, book a hotel, and then pay up to $200 for show tickets; and that's just for me as someone living in the states it's even more expensive for someone living in Europe. Believe me I would DIE for a chance to see a show live, but that's just not financially possible for me so I watch bootlegs just to be able to watch a show.
Peridot as a Dead British Monarch that’s like saying I steal MacBooks because I really need them to study so I have to do something illegal just so I can have entertainment and be able to study. (Yes bootlegs are illegal shocker!!!!!!!)
Random Human they are still illegal and you can get arrested for them. You can watch free local performances from schools or local theaters as a alternative.
Maybe bootlegs wouldn’t be such a problem if theater was more accessible to the demographic these musicals are being made for lol
That's my issue, I understand the production crew and actors feelings, as someone who loves theater I know how hard they work, but the theater business itself it's what makes people force themselves to look at bootlegs cuz these tickets are quiet expensive.
Good thing is that there's talks that at least on Broadway tickets might become cheaper for causal viewers to see productions in order to recover all the lost income they've lost. Hopefully they will actually make it cheaper and leave it like that.
but...but... there are like thousands of people who are absolutely never gonna see the show bc a) country will never become part of a tour / accessibility to theatre is v v scarce b) have not enough money to see shows regularly c) other physical circumstances w/c cannot allow them to see
this is what limits theatre so much that it gives off an 'exclusive prestige' to it, like making theatre only for ppl who CAN see it. it makes ppl like me excluded from it.
i do respect the actors, the creators, etc. when there's a western musical touring in my region, i absolutely see it and vow to never watch a bootleg of it.
but what about other musicals? are we supposed to be left in the dark while the rest of the theatre community thrives without us? that awfully seems like privilege, and not a lot talks abt that.
Well, not everyone has the money to go see a musical in theatre. I understand that shows are very hard to produce. I understand that they cost a lot of money. But many people still go to see shows in theatres, so bootlegs really aren't affecting much. People who have the money to go will go, people who don't will watch bootlegs when available. I hardly see an issue. Also, how are bootlegs theft? It's recording a show for people who can't go to see it live. The actors and producers and such are STILL GETTING MONEY! Again, where the hell is the issue?
Ok so I may be 5 months late but I highly disagree with this comment, Making a musical is very expensive, paying for costumes, theatre rent, stage design, income towards employers etc. If producers just let everyone see shows for free, money wouldn't be coming which would mean no show. Now I know musical theatre isn't accessible for everyone but that still doesn't mean that they should make a pro shoot for free or for a $30 rate. Now producers need to get money to create more shows for the world to see, most shows don't see a revenue until 2 or 3 years from the initial opening so which would mean most professional productions would be a flop as most shows don't stay in production for more than 2 years, so basically producers loose money.
A year late but-it is theft. Did they get permission to record? No? Then that’s not legal. It’s taking their performance and the work of the creative team without their permission.
Honestly i feel like proshots would be the way to go?? It invites more people to watch, and if they wanna release it on streaming or even in theatres, i’m sure people would much rather pay $15 to see it than $200 to see them live (esp if they’re not familiar with it yet). And if a tour happens to come around, people who have seen the proshot would be more likely to feel inclined to watch it live, or even want to go see them on broadway or the west end 🤷🏽♀️
Part of the issue is how expensive it is to film and produce a proshot. Also, while lots of people would go see theatre live if they can, some money could be lost still.
@@kyrarhoades514 but they film full proshots for trailers of variants of casts yet they keep them locked away,
@@SenoritaMarian I get how frustrating it is and I’ll point out that I’m a bootleg watcher but it still costs them money. Say you’re a casual fan. Most people would rather watch it for cheaper and decide if it’s really worth it to see. Unless someone really likes it, they might not see a musical which could cost broadway hundreds of dollars per group or person (not sure of ticket price)
@@kyrarhoades514 i agree with the proshots and im fine with bootlegs being around i just dont understand why they keep the proshots they use for trailers locked away
@@SenoritaMarian my bet would be its all about money
As someone from Mexico who loves musicals, I get where sh'es coming from but there's literally no other way for me to see this shows. We're in the middle of a pandemic, workload is so big i never have free time and there's not a lot of money. I personally watch shows in bootlegs in hopes one day I'll have enough money to go watch them live, and they hype me up more.
Bootlegs wouldn’t be here if you show tickets weren’t so damn expensive
Bootlegs are helpful for people who live far away from any theatres where tours come and far from NYC. They’re really for people who don’t really have the opportunity to see a show but still want to appreciate it.
'Bootlegs are illegal so you can't really defend them'...so is homosexuality in some countries but I don't see her being a homophobe
I can’t tell if this is a good or inappropriate connection considering the difference in severity 💀💀
But yea if it’s really an issue for them I don’t know why they don’t do proshot. I understand people would still pirate it, but most people, if allowed, would love to go see and person and would rather do that if given the opportunity rather than watch a bootleg or proshot
I kinda understand where she's coming from. But then again, she's still getting paid either way right? The bootlegs would only interfere with sales if, say, the entirety of the musical was on a streaming platform. Most musicals can't do that, due to how many profits they get. Hamilton, of course, is the exception.
I feel sorry for those who won’t be able to see the show in real life, or don’t have the chance to at least. I understand that this is illegal but I still feel kinda bad for those who really can’t.
Anyways much love Queens 🥰
The thing is, there wouldn’t be any bootlegs if Broadway were reasonably priced. It costs a lot of money to watch a show when that money could have gone towards paying off loans or bills. I’m not defending anyone or anything. Bootlegs aren’t okay and yes, they are illegal. But, if Broadway was more reasonably priced then we wouldn’t be here in the first place.
this whole video honestly makes me so mad. she has NO idea how lucky she has it to just be able to see something live. i literally collect bootlegs and would still give anything to see any of the shows
They should film them professionally and rent them online for $5-15 or something!!
A bootleg doesn't really "protect" anything when there are professional photos and officially released videos EVERYwhere of the costumes and set.
I know that bootleg is illegal, but in my country, we rarely have tour. Theatre even not popular in my country. Bootleg is the only access I can get to the theatre,it introduced me to the theatre. Ever since then, I found out that theatre is what I want to be in the future, it inspired me to become a set designer. With the bootleg, it really motivates me to set a goal of flying to US and UK to watch the live performances,Im not rich, but this is definitely on my bucketlist. I'm not saying bootleg is legal but consider the problem the fan might faces, in a way bootleg helps us too.
Not offend, but this is just my opinion, and sorry on my English, it is not my first language
All my love to the Queens!!❤️❤️
But... I'm too broke to see it.. and I don't live close enough.. I live in another country -_-. But either ways, I'd be willing to pay (a lot) for a proshot :)
I get it. But it's not like good musicals like these will ever come to my country. And even when they do, my anxiety makes it really hard for me to go to crowded public places. These bootleg musicals make musicals accessible for me...
I just wanna say the comment thing isn’t that valid of an add on. There are many fan pages who post pictures of them who still get comments from other people spewing hate. They’d see hate whether it was on a TH-cam video or not. But I really think west end and Broadway should just do pro shots. Just a nice 3 or 4 cameras set up around the stage, it doesn’t need to have all that zoom action, effects, blah blah, they can do what they usually do and people would still pay for it. I understand it’s illegal and that I’m late as hell, but a mass majority of fans are willing to pay if the shows come to them but it’s them and their production team who never go to those places to make more money, so why not build fans off the bootlegs, or possibly proshot s, until they can come to those different areas
ma’am, bootlegs are only illegal to RECORD. people need their broadway and west end, even if they’re broke.
as much as i love love lauren byrne and understand where she's coming from, i just wanna let her know that if someone wasn't ever gonna see that show anyway due to money being a problem and such, then they wouldn't have lost it in the first place! just need her to know that boots are the only way i can see the show, and it won't stop me from wanting to see it live or spend some money on merch and whatnot
I don't really have a chance to see this musical i really like, so bootlegs are my only way to go
Same
I can’t afford to go to London to see shows in the west end. So I should be given a free trip right?
@@Elizabeth-nb7kz That's nothing like it. I am unable to go and see these shows. Literally. I don't live in England, America or all the other places the musical is being shown at. It's not that I can't afford it, it's that I can't go there. 💀
@@RandomPerson-qd9gj I can’t afford to go to London. Should I demand a free trip?
@@RandomPerson-qd9gj I’m entitled to my stance 😊 thank you!
To be honest I do understand her but then make professional recording and sell that, they have no idea what of a profit they would make from it.
The people who defend bootlegs don't quite understand how much work goes into a musical, it's insane how expensive and time-consuming it is for every single member of the creative team, the tech team, and the actors. So when you make all of that work accessible for free on the internet you're hurting the profit all that hard work, I understand that not all musicals are available for streaming, which is a huge issue, if they could get professional recordings of every show that would be amazing, but that's not the reality, because that's incredibly expensive. So please enjoy cast recordings instead of bootlegs.
Agreed.
what about the fact that i’m never going to be able to see it?
- if i was never going to see it anyway, because of money and such, they wouldn't have lost money
- i mean it won't stop me from *wanting* to go see the show
- bootlegs shouldn't be posted publicly anyway
- and if they wanna stop bootlegs, they have to somehow make theatre more accessible
I wouldn't watch them if tickets weren't so expensive and they almost never go on tour so its more expensive to travel to see it
She’s right. The musical will be off the stage and actors will be upset. Sam even got mad a few months ago.
I agree with her and all these entitled people don’t understand
Respectfully what's entitled about it? I can only speak for myself but I'm just not able to afford to buy plane tickets, book a hotel, and then pay up to $200 for show tickets; and that's just for me as someone living in the states it's even more expensive for someone living in Europe. Believe me I would DIE for a chance to see a show live, but that's just not financially possible for me so I watch bootlegs just to be able to watch a show.
Peridot as a Dead British Monarch that’s like saying I steal MacBooks because I really need them to study so I have to do something illegal just so I can have entertainment and be able to study. (Yes bootlegs are illegal shocker!!!!!!!)
Random Human they are still illegal and you can get arrested for them. You can watch free local performances from schools or local theaters as a alternative.
SimplyManat bootlegs are illegal, but you won’t get arrested for them.
Stupid Cookie yes you can. Or at least fined