MOD Police follow me for my details Pontrilas Army Training Area
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มี.ค. 2022
- What's going on everybody, this is TGA, and in this video, a guy that seems like a fairly pleasant MOD Police officer, was very determined to get my details, so much so, that he followed me for miles till him and his colleague could see me get to my car, followed my car, then stopped me under the Road Traffic Act, at first saying he doesn't need correct legislation to stop me, then used Section 163 of the Road Traffic Act, a lot of effort to get my details, but they are finding their ways, never been stalked by officers to find my vehicle before, this is a new one.
People are saying I should’ve got public transport etc there, I think most wouldn’t think about that especially somewhere as rural as this, and this is the first time I’ve literally been followed to my vehicle, I didn’t have a choice but to provide my details, since they quoted the RTA, I’m not a lawyer or a solicitor and I don’t know every little detail of the law, I know a fair few sections, but I don’t claim to be an expert, and at that point, even if I’d walked up to the pub or cafe for a coke or a coffee or something, they would’ve waited for me and then got my reg anyway, they had nothing better to do so they decided to go ahead and abuse my rights, I know there was no way out, so before you say I’m too soft etc, as I’ve mentioned before, get out there and do it yourself, then come back to me, half of you making criticisms aren’t actually auditors, so you wouldn’t know, it was a difficult situation, one that I haven’t dealt with before. Next video is a silent audit at Gloucestershire Police HQ, if anyone nitpicks that one then I’m not the problem, it’s the officers and some of you. Respect to those who support me and let’s stop these bullies in uniform, police might be learning new ways to abuse us but we are learning new ways to defend ourselves
Se7entySe7en77 I’m already in contact with HnK about this incident, hopefully they can help me
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA you parked far too close to the audit site and led them back to your vehicle. You forgot that the police are dangerous and can make your life hell if they so choose, its the very reason auditing started in the first place.
you may not have been able to take public transport but a good counter surveillance tip is go and sit at a bus stop, if they get another call and pull away then go to your car, another one where there is better public transport is go along one stop then get the next bus back
@The Gwent Auditor / TGA
You did a great job bud. Love your style.
when AB goes to sites like this he geta a minicab. And if you pay using cash, they can't get your details from the minicab company or Uber
@@SeentySeen its not a breach of privacy. anyone who has a driving licence signed to abide by the Road Traffic Act 1988. section 164 of the road traffic act allows an officer to require any driver / operator of a motor vehicle to produce their license upon request when they've been operating a vehicle on the road
the signature on the photo card licence is evidence of having accepted the conditions of being licenced in the UK. abiding by that part of RTA is one of the conditions. this auditor basically needed to use a different way of dealing with the situation
That copper was spot on. If you didn’t want your details being run through then avoid doing such stupid things.
Something Totally Legal is now Stupid is it you tool 😂😂
Most Army training areas are publically accesible. It would take a huge resource to fully secure training areas. Other forms of security are in place. If you're going to access these areas then you should expect to be challenged by Police or Military personnel
That's why you auditors need to get smarter, dont take your car, uber, trains buses, or get a ride from someone else..
Most of them are, this is the first one I have seen let them follow him to his car, and there are a lot of MOD audits.
Yeah rock up to a military training facility used by the of the most classified SF in the world during a war expecting to not come across a bit suspicious, nice one.
Dude are you aware there is a war going on in Europe? Why would you go film a military base with the slight possibility that you could capture some preparations the military are doing? I know its legal and all that but how would you feel if your actions costs lives further down the road if we go to war?
Are you aware that we aren’t fighting or involved in the war you nugget!
@@Woody10UK is that why all our mod training areas are full of Ukrainians?
Why did you go back to your car 😒you should have walked around for the next 3 hours.
Parking near the audit site, leading them back to your vehicle, thats amateur hour Gwent Auditor. Enjoy being on the list and getting "random" traffic stops on that vehicle now
He does everything wrong
He doesn't ask if the cop is recording him
He lets the cop get away taking a photo
He agrees with every paranoid reason the cop gives
He has no problem with the cop following him about
He leads the cop back to his car
Either this guy is a monumental idiot, or he's a fake autior
Exactly John, he failed during previous audits also, gave details and things like that.. He and matt12128 are sht
You made it too easy for them. How they don't know Section 163 and 164 of RTA is beyond me.
cause theyre MOD police not standard territorial police
So you did all that and when and climbed in your car and give your I.d so what was the point pathetic attention seeking Muppet goes on about your right and then put himself in a situation where he has to give them up waste of time and effort.
Currant climate...cloudy but breezy
Haha, yeah a bit windy today isn’t it, I’ll use that, although think I’m going to head in the silent audit direction more in future, got one coming up next that was recorded before this
That's why you use a ride share like Uber and not your personal car
Use a push bike next time sir, and find a few bike tracks you can lose them on... always check for drones to.... but fair play to you on this 1...
I've walked the whole perimeter before and I was here myself a few months ago, within seconds of turning onto the Road we were followed up close by feds.... Once past there main gate they left us but then once at the fire station another was waiting and then followed us out the village...
Super Random note, at Locks Garage in Alansmear, just up the road they do incredible stake lol incredible veg too... super cheap also... all local beef from 1 farm in Hereford...
Under section 163 you are only required to stop it doesn’t give them the power to obtain your details they have to use section 164 for that just for future reference.
I genuinely don't see anything wrong with that officers actions. He's not patrolling a local nick, he's patrolling a military base.
It was obvious , and reasonable, that he followed you found as he had no other information to work with.
The second that you started to drive your car it should have been obvious that he would use the RTA to get your details. If you were determined not to hand over your info then you could have just sat or slept in the car till they went away.
Never watched a video of MOD police being anything other than polite and professional. Something the rest of them could learn a lot from.
Not just any military base either
Great video
The way I see it with giving your details. Can work in Yr faver...
How I hear people say.,, Well once they got your. Name and know what your doing.
They would then have no reason. To hang around and let you carry on making Yr video.. As they keep saying once we know who you are and your no danger to us. We leave you alone....
That could work in. Yr faver....
And you can film away all day. As they say once we know who you are.. It worth a try.. As they now got you and your car details.. So after that then if they over step the mark.. See about sueing them..
Great video keep them coming plz
6:45 If they are concerned about the security implications of the site, they would be stopping everyone including joggers, runners, hikers, dog walkers, and getting them to account for the actions. I doubt they do that. They only do it when someone is using a camera. And that doesn't change the security implications of the site one iota. Also if they were concerned about security implications they would do more to keep the public away from the site and keep them at a distance and not able to come right up to the base. They would follow standard security protocols which is to have three layers, the first which stops the public for entering, the second which requires authorisation to enter but is visible to the public, and the third where anything they want to keep hidden resides. If they don't do any of that, then it's not a secure site, just a site with gates to indicate where their boundary is.
Joggers etc aren’t hanging around with cameras at the main training facility for the SAS….
You got owned on an epic scale.
NEVER park your car nearby, take a cab,
i like this guy, he knows you are free and he respects that, even if you can tell he is not happy. he doesnt take it further.. more like him!
The plane on ground is for training purposes, the jet’s going over don’t take off and land there it’s not an airbase
7:00 They might appreciate having your name, but they aren't entitled to it. Having your name doesn't give them any insight into your actions. Even if it came up and said TGA films police stations and military bases, they wouldn't know any better what that meant. And they wouldn't be able to do anything with that information - they can't stop you filming just because you are on some database.
And a better response than saying you'd rather not because it would go in their systems is to state that you are standing by your human rights and following the law to the letter and spirit. This puts the onus on them when they keep demanding your details that they are breaching your rights, and potentially breaking the law.
Nonsense, there is a specific database that covers UK auditing and every dated entry that includes personal details builds a picture of someone's activities.
He drove a motor vehicle on a public road (parking too close to the base), so of course he had to cough up his personal details and the Road Traffic Act certainly DOES entitle the officers to it.
i tell them why u following me around if they tell me other things then i just tell them to piss off or else i see them in court to be sued with a crime
Never give them anything until they tell you the section that they are using!
You’d think they would have updated the perimeter fences by now. It’s embarrassing.
“There’s only one way to get out, and that’s to get some in … GET SOME IN!
In the mid 70's would visit a few times a year !
S163 does not entitle them to inspect your documents!
To be fair, if any terrorist wanted to pick a target, Pontrilas probably wouldn’t be their best option, could get a tad messy for them !
07:10 When they ask why you don't want to give your details, flip the script and ask why you should.
It's not for you to give reasons to maintain your right to privacy - it's down to them to supply a good reason for you to give up your right.
It don't matter about the number plates as they r owned by the dvla.
I used to be a Gamekeeper on Wormbridge estate in the 80’s and spent many an hour watching the lads doing advanced driving, riding dirt bikes, assaulting the airplane that they have there and of course the killing house. Got to know a few of the troopers and DS too. We’re lucky to have them for when the SHTF.
Hope you paid a visit to Gwatkins cider farm nearby at Abbeydore for some take home refreshments 🤪
Trade the plate put it down to business expenses, well sensitive area like Mi 6 ...👍
14:40 So he says you're not committing any offences, yet he's followed you all the way when he's just divulged that he it not using his authority and powers. That could be considered stalking and harassment. And he's just proved that he's bored and not doing anything around security by saying that it gets him out of the office. Your friendly demeanour means that he can't even have any suspicions that you are to do anything. If he had any real security concerns, they'd stop every car passing down the lane since they could stop at any point and a whole team of terrorists could jump out and attack the base.
No it could not be considered stalking etc. Hanging around this particular establishment with cameras is absolutely legitimate reason to keep a person under observation.
Well they regret in attacking this particular base buddy
Just for that I'm gonna stay here all day and record every person and every plate that I can see and post it on the internet for everybody in the world to see
@Randy Quade , it might be hard but it is also lawful. Aren't we constantly being told that the military are fighting for our freedom and rights.
163 is only to stop a car, 164 or 165 is to check your details
Good audit there was no way out of giving your details in the end , I prob would as nothing to hide , ya on a learning curve with these audits so every interaction makes the next audit better and better so on so on
Isn’t that gdpr? He in his official compacity so he has to give you copy. Leading them to your car was a huge error.
Audio needs help. if Special Air Service are happy to let you film then security not great.
7:30 "how did you get in" should be answered with "I'm not in, I'm outside"
You messed up there pal.if you wanted to remain anonymous you should've done everything to stop them following you to your vehicle.refusing details at the beginning was your right but then you slipped up.
I really enjoy auditing videos and like to see over zealous police put in their place but I think guys who operate in the shadows should be left in the shadows, they don't bother us but they will put themselves in harm's way for us.
last 17 words utter piffle !
@@g4kfjve7kfj34 sorry you are right, go and take pics of SF guys at their camp, I'm sure they all like that. I respect these fellas, they do a tough job and want anonymity and I respect that. Good counting btw.
@@g4kfjve7kfj34 So, brave person, when someone puts a loved member of your family in immediate danger, who are you going to ask for help. If the present situation with Ukraine and Russia escalates, who deals with it, you and a few of your perpetually offended woke friends. You need a harsh lesson in life buddy.
The phone being used in his work capacity still subjects it to data handling.
As one of the previous comments said I would have gone back and filmed every private number plate for the rest of the week
I'm still trying to find a good PINAC site in the UK, they have either had very little input or died a death, probably for a good reason.
Photography is not a crime, makes it sound legit, and yet upskirting is a crime that you can commit whilst doing photography or videoing, focusing of women breast feeding is also a crime if you intentionally film/photograph them without permission.
These laws are recent, within the last few years, making certain aspects of photography and media a crime, so PINAC isn't correct, photography can be a crime if you don't use your head (common sense), or understand the law.
And this is only the tip of the iceberg, the few will destroy photography and media creation for the many.
Those who think that you have a 100% right to film what and where you want will kill photography and media creation for the rest of us, this is because there are always exemptions to the rules, the right to film anything from a public place with no consequences isn't actually correct, the right to film from a public place without infringing another law on the other hand is a far better way of putting it.
Now, I wonder how many people think there was no offence committed by the auditor here? The MOD police did everything right, those saying he broke GDPR rules, nope, he was completely within his right to photograph, especially of it concerns security, he used his personal phone, its not controlled by GDPR, the person he took a picture of has not identified themselves so are anonymous, this is why cctv and the likes works fine in the UK, if you want a copy of cctv footage you have to give up that right of anonminity to request it.
Where does that put photography?
It puts photography exactly where it was pre camera phone, its just that due to the fact anyone can now film/take pictures means that there will be more abuse of laws because of poor information circulated about what you can and cannot do, it actually only takes a few minutes to find out if you will or are committing an offence depending on what you are wanting ro dilm or photograph, much harder to do 30 years ago than it is today.
When you travel by car they got you by the bollocks, Section 163 followed by Section 164, done and dusted.
Current climate
And concern .... .... when hasn’t there been concern ? Can you name the year ?
163 says you must stop when asked but what was their reason for wanting you to stop. They need another road traffic offence to stop you like speeding or dangerous driving. They just can not just use 163 or they would stop every good looking woman with it.
Unlawful stop just to get your details. You should not of handed over your licence until they demanded it under section 164..163 only entitles them to stop you.
This is a seriously stupid audit, it might be legal, but an sas trooper wouldn’t even tell his neighbour their job, do you seriously think catching one on film and revealing their identity is a good idea? Or even if it isn’t an sas member someone connected to intelligence or just an admin, you could put people at serious risk because of your right to film
The army arent special any more they are government service droids. These are not young lads defending the country any more. They do as they are damn well told!!!!!
@@takeapictureitlllastlonger5768 when was the army not under the control of government
@@smrriles5668 When did i say they were not??? your question seems pointless
Well said. Sometimes it really isn’t needed in these type of locations.
Gdpr rules apply to the photo taken as he is on duty.
The smiling assassin. He was always going to get your details. That's why he went back inside the gate then contacted his back up team to follow you. Coppers NEVER just have a friendly chat. There's always an ulterior motive of sorts. You need to be far more careful now. PS. I would have handled the first encounter a lot different than you I have to say.
Nothing stopping you from going there and showing us how it's done :)
You should've caught the bus there, from the nearest built up area, if they had still followed you there too, gone for a coffee, then shopping.
Why go to this base, you could have done the same at Sterling Lines. Thank goodness there is a air exclusion zone in these areas. Before you say Google Earth this is just a training area in Pontrilas!
A few auditors have done Stirling Lines, if you have a look at News Now Yorkshire on TH-cam he filmed the SAS Cemetery there as well
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Me and a few mates were fishing the stream that runs alongside the camp a few years ago,when all of a sudden we are confronted by two of the biggest blokes I’ve ever seen ,and they had the biggest dog with them,they not so politely asked what the f*ck we were doing,when we said just doing a bit of fishing we were told,not asked, to bugger of and fish somewhere else,the size of them,and the dog plus the fact they were armed ,we thought it prudent to agree!
Great video the police very professional nice to see, stay safe retired lifeboatman
Mis-use of a police power in contravention of section 26 of the criminal Justice and Courts act 2015.
I’m currently seeking advice on the matter from HnK Solicitors, I will send them the videos as well, plus I heard a body camera switch on so, I will request a copy of that and send that to HnK
Misuse of what power ? There are no limitations on sec 163 - 165. So how exactly was it misused ?
Cop bashing on every video is not the point of auditing ! Find and publicise abuse of power, ignorance and incompetence by all means - but unless your advocating for a complete withdrawal of police from the streets (?) then at least acknowledge when they're doing the job right, otherwise it's a pointless activity.
If stopped sec163, sec164 and 165 give powers to request documents . Retired traffic cop
Not the smartest move walking around there considering the sort of soldiers who train there.
17:55 So they openly admit that they want to know who are and are only innocently taking pictures. I'm afraid they are exceeding their authority and power in this free country that the first constable talked about. In this free country, they have no authority or power to investigate you and identify you - until you do something wrong. Until then they have to stay in the dark. They are purely and simply attempting to intimidate you. That could be grounds for a civil claim against the MOD. You weren't intimidated, but the threat was still there. An easy £100.
Actually I would rise that a bit, since they abused s163 & s164 to unnecessarily get your details. It was pure intimidation since they didn't stop you for any traffic offences. If they had done their security properly, they'd have someone in plain clothes follow you to your car to get your number plate. And that's all they'd need since the vast majority of people drive their own car. And everything you had said to them should've dissuaded them from having the suspicion that you were terrorist. They were just bored.
Another point about the civil claim, they will have to spend a lot of time and money getting all the details for their side of the case which is why they will more than likely just pay up rather than go through all that hassle. And if they do decide to get the evidence, then the two coppers will realise that you've used the legal route against them and might think twice about using the same intimidation tactic on the next photographer. As you say - PINAC.
This is the SAS training base….of course they are going to identify him
Well if it’s a free country how would you feel if someone came outside your house and kept filming the back front side etc and said free country ? Also this guy has tons of places like church garden roads country side etc he can go film . But he wants to go film a military base . Some places should be off limits like mi5, mi6 , military base gchq etc etc free country or not
Your best now changing your car with a new plate, as your details will now be on a database for photography of bases etc, the only thing now is to basically make sure next time bike in your train in etc.
Totally agree. You NEED to change it now as you will now get stopped time and time again.
Oh dear, V poor TGA big fail on your part. I assumed you were a total novice leading him to your car but I see from your channel you have been at it for ages.
I thought the same!
ow and can mod do a roadside traffic stop and request ure details,i think not.
Why go to an SAS base for?
Work phone or not, if he is acting in hid capacity as an officer that picture he took DOES fall under GDPR
If you give your name, not only will they check for it on the system but they will PUT IT ON the system for the next time, with a comment like "acting suspicious " or god knows what beside it. They always act like its an innocent question
Not sure why you walked to your car knowing they were going to do that as soon as you got there
You should have told him that you are gonna foia request that picture , and if its a personal phone , your will get everything that's on it :)
It was just a fishing expedition.
You walked in to that (well drove in to it)
Good audit ut you did not get his collar number and weather it's a work phone or private phone you can still request a copy due to him being on duty.
Thank you, and yeah, improper conduct from Mr MoD Plod, and yeah I’ll send in an FOI to the MoD Police
Schoolboy error TGA,tut,tut! Dont let complacency creep in,always think 3 steps ahead of them. Take a push bike in the back of your car and park further away.
Good idea, or like what I’ve done today at Porton Down, go and get some food in a local pub and wait for them to clear off
They come from RAF Valley
If he uses his private phone when on duty to take images of you it is still covered by GDPR. Particularly when he shared it with security. Make the request.
the MOD police officer indirectly disclosed that the SAS is based there!!
Lets hope this video doesnt end up in the wrong hands sharing everything online. I mean who else would you expect to protect you if this video ended up in the wrong hands and became a target area.. intelligence of the obsession with sharing for the desperation of views and likes.. brain of britain award
I liked the intro, pity the audio levels on the jets drowned out your voice.
Thank you for your video for you show how free democracy is. Imagine what kind of prison you would be in if you were in a less democratic country? Are you aware that if you were in, say, Russia you would be treated very differently if you even said the war in Ukraine was a war? If you didn't die slowly by an anonymous dose of ...
Well done the police chappy who both protected UK security and treated you with humanity.
In the current climate we have officers like Couzens ,Carrick so they cannot be trusted
Hav'nt you considered what your doing is putting the lives of those soldiers that protect you at risk ! .. Why would you want to do this ?
I'm surprised you wer'nt covertly dealt with by the directing staff !
Shame your car was so close and probably had a Welsh Plate. Park more hidden next time matey.
If military personnel get jump when someone has a camera what they going to do if they end up in combat and someone actually has a weapon?
The Gwent auditor since you have been going since 2013 you have had plenty time to hone your auditor training matey.But like we say nobody is perfect but some take longer for the education to sink in matey enough said
I haven’t lol, I have been auditing since last year
7:48 that sounds like a threat "some people might jump you"
no he didn’t say that at all, he said they get “jumpy”
Literally them just ball swinging but they completely went against your rights
22:10 Doesn't matter if it's work or personal, you can still get a copy of it or ask for it to be removed. It's just that with a personal phone, his phone is likely to have to be examined by someone else who could see some private stuff. In all likelyhood, they will just ask the guy for the photo to be forwarded on. But the possibility still exists.
It might be worth stating on record that you don't give them permission to take a picture of you since they won't have a reason under GDPR to take it. Security concerns won't wash since they will have CCTV all over the place so his picture of you does nothing to help security. It's not likely to actually stop him, but that lack of permission helps your case to get them to delete it.
And his statement that he will pass the photo on to the security department wipes out any excuse that he could have about using a personal phone so doesn't come under GDPR. His statement means he is caught by GDPR. And he's also disclosed the reason to which you have not given permission for him to use it for. GDPR requires permission for any use of your data. So in terms of security, it's useless to take someone's photo. CCTV is different as that is covered by the regulations since it captures everything 24/7 and is not targeted at your directly.
That is not how GDPR works. You can only have it deleted if it’s been illegally obtained.
@@johnscott4693 Nope, you can have your details removed when you no longer wish to have an interaction with the business. Say you wish to close your account with a business, they have to delete your details.
@@TheSadButMadLad ln certain circumstances, some of your personal identifiable data, yes (but not say, camera imagery if obtained legally, in the street).
However, the Police are not a business and use special rules.
Trust me, real world… it matters not anyway. As they’re out of control - especially the met. I have so many untruthful GDPR emails it’s astonishing.
@@johnscott4693 You're point is valid about if obtained legally is right. But taking your picture whilst they are working and then saying what it will be used for doesn't make it legal if they are a copper. They are bound by the same rules and laws as the rest of us. In fact, many laws are designed to curtail the police. Though in reality and the real world, it hardly ever happens and they police generally see themselves as above the law.
OK but why?
Next time use a bicycle , your fault for getting caught
No.... i dont understand anything your spewing out of that noise hole.
He took a picture on his personal phone. You are/were entitled to request a copy of that and EVERYTHING that is on that phone. (unless he deletes it.) You need to be more forceful with your rights.
Just uber to these places and write it off as a business expense
You should of told them if they follow you to find your vehicle you'd go back and film every car licence plate you could!
Yeah, I should've
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA you still did a good job. It takes guts. Keep up the good work 👏
@@garywalker2769 Thanks, doing London next week, getting around by Train/Tube etc. wouldn't dream of driving in to the centre of London lol
Catch the bus the train ,put a cycle in your car-You failed-not us?
Article's 8 and 10 of the human rights act you don't have to explain anything. Terrorist's don't attack army bases. They are not a valuable target. Or if they are would anyone really expect them to attack a place that has men with guns?
They are not personal plates. They are owned by the DVLA and are public information. He's now a data controller and is working in his official capacity. Request a copy of that picture and where he has sent it. He is not allowed to share it. His phone will be searched. What a plonker that cop is. He's in big trouble.
19:40 aw, they won in the end : (
Section 163 you don’t have to identify
How not to audit. 🙄
Your kinda a fool going back to your car known their following and watching you.
that was your own fault
don't give up your day job