I selected the platform and parts to be capable of running all basic productivity software as well as playback videos in 1080p and handle DVD playback. I actually had one of these as a media center PC, hooked up to my TV for years.
Intel Atom and Windows XP Media Centre 👀 Honestly though for such an underpowered chip it decodes media pretty damn well, didn’t expect to see 1080p so smooth.
It still boggles my brain to see Clint reviewing hardware that's younger than the LGR channel, but I guess that was bound to happen eventually! Great video though, and a wonderful reminder of an era of computer gaming that I remember very well.
That's the old argument of what counts as "retro", some consider everything of 10 years and older (Which would mean a Core 2 Quad Q6600 is retro now), some set the threshold on the single/dual core, some between P3/Athlon and P4/Athlon XP, some the switch away from Windows XP, some put it on the change to NT on the consumer desktop, some on pure DOS, etc.
Back in the day, Nostalgia Critic did the same thing (like 'em or hate 'em is not what I'm debating here). Doug realized that not only was he running out of "nostalgia" content, but essentially asked "what makes something nostalgic?". So, he changed to a slightly different format of "time isn't always what makes something nostalgic".
I find this sort of thing (Let's face it, this is practically Oddware) utterly fascinating. I always thought that in the future of computing, this was the direction that we would go. Smaller and smaller PCs. But here I sit with a gaming computer under my desk that weighs over 40 pounds and is bigger than a friggin' suitcase. C'est la vie.
I saw a video sometime ago, I think from Linus Tech Tips, saying that this would be the future from here. Their reasoning was that since reducing the space between components improves performance future PCs would move towards this form factor.
Using laptops since a decade now. Perfectly fine for YT, browsing (never had problems with any browser), playing older or easier games and other stuff like office programs. My brick the size of a mini fridge from the late 90s couldn't handle three open tabs and an media player at the same time. So yeah, I would say that smaller pcs were a good prediction.
Got this exact PC haha. I got it in 2014 very cheap from Amazon UK (£140). I put a slim slot load Blu-ray Burner in it and SSD. Since it has Intel QuickSync support it was/is a perfect Steam remote play/Media centre PC. Steam streaming (at least at 1080p, never tried it at 4K) was flawless. Now it's just sat in on a shelf with no use. Plus Fanless/Passive cooling as well as just looking good next to the TV! Mine has a more pleasing 'Shuttle' Branding on the sides though. That oval is an eye sore haha Mine had a Celeron J1900 CPU in it with the Quicksync support, very capable!
That would be a Shuttle XS36V4, compared to the XS35GT V2 he have, those are VERY different machines even if the outside is similar. The Celeron J1900 is more than 3 years newer, has twice the number of cores and each core is also almost twice as fast! Similarly the GPU side is wildly different, his as an Nvidia Ion 2 discrete GPU, yours has integrated GPU with QuickSync generation 2, note that even QuickSync 1 didn't even exist when the D525 was launched. Basically, there's pretty much no similarities beyond the shell... Which also explains the price, it would have been insane to sell a D525/Ion2 for that in 2014, but reasonable for a J1900 in a very small shell (which always cost extra).
I unlocked a forgotten memory seeing that. Every time I watch LGR I find something I lost in the turmoil of modern life and I end up hoarding it like some sort of scavenger on a quest to renew my forgotten youth.
I've seen a scant few repair/sales shops remaining here in MA. The ones left deserve to go out of business, for what they charge for repairs, the scammy optimization type services and the ludicrous prices they ask for used hardware, I don't know how they stay in business.
i used to play the heck outta san andreas on my netbook back in those days.. crazy how well some games are optimized that they would run decent on those super slow machines! i used to always play halo and battle field 2 online as well with the netbook... the very low power consumption always made them interesting to me
Hmmm most business here in the slum jungle run 775 pcs, and when they buy new pcs it's generic chinese MB with usually an i3-2100, my working laptop is from 2011 and works nice with ssd + ram upgrade, so i would be innacurate calling something from 2011 old
Netbooks were a revolution for cheap computers though. Sure they were cheap crap and were destined for dumpsters, but as a kid in 2009 or so an Acer Aspire One felt like a miracle. Nowadays you can get a perfectly-usable older laptop for a couple hundred bucks, but back then it felt amazing and community support through linux distros and stuff was incredible. Nowadays a total antique though with the ubiquity of smartphones.
I frequented CDO in Greenville a lot and they helped me when I was just starting out learning the ins and outs of pc building. They had a whole diy area where anyone could come in, work on their pcs, and ask for help. Really cool place, sad to see it go. 😥
I picked one up a couple of years ago because it was advertised as running Windows 10. I had to see that. Eventually put XP on it and it hasn't half come in useful for some old niche software.
i had that nickelodeon one from dell and used it for years upon years. even though i was the intended age range for it i instantly uninstalled the theme that came pre-loaded onto it hahahaha. i played a lot of emulators and skulltag on it.
I almost bought one because im a writer and having an ultra portable writing machine was appealing but the small keyboard size for writings session was bad for my oven mitt hands.
I remember the Shuttle 'cube' PCs from the early 2000s, fun fact I was in the local IT department of my school that year doing work experience and got to build several from scratch, my fingers accidentally touched one of the power supply contacts whilst it was plugged in and I felt it! Luckily the circuit breakers kicked in very quickly
Sassy's... that's a name I haven't heard in a loooooong time. Sad to hear they're not around anymore. I grew up near Asheville and we would often go into town for computer parts. They weren't as easy to get out in the country back then!
honestly I grew up in a town of nearly 80,000 population and even we did not have a big computer parts place, a few overpriced locals unless one drove an hour to a CompUSA.
@@filanfyretracker Same. I live in a town of about 70k people here in northern California and we don't really have any actual PC stores. The closest we have is Staples, but they usually only sold very few PC parts (only 1-2 RAM models, and an off brand PSU and some hard drives) at high prices.
I'm the scrawny nerd who wrote, directed, and appeared in those commercials. I can't saw I remember any of the WLOS guys that came by the shop but I remember excitedly talking to them about what we were shooting that day.
This is kind of an amazing device. I remember seeing computers like this in workplaces and they were bolted to the monitor. What a cool little device. Thanks for the video about it!
As always, great enjoyable video. So fun to see the nostalgia of winXP. That green PC was awfully cute. It prompted me to shop for a portable Blu ray player of that size hopefully minus that stand :) Thank You for the Video and your hard work!
Wow, I've had one of these set up forever as a emulator PC for MAME with Windows 7 installed on it. It's actually still surprisingly capable, I always loved it for it's unique form factor, quiet operation, and built-in disc drive.
the original installation reminds me of what my parent’s computers looked like when they still used actual windows PCs. that scammy tech support head brought back memories i forgot i had
Those D525s are surprisingly good little processors. I've been running one with a board that I bought on salvage for $15 as a PfSense box for the last 6 or so years, and it just keeps going!
My old pfSense box had a D525 as well. Nothing ever failed - it still works fine - but FreeBSD's Realtek NIC driver is _terrible._ Even compiling and loading an improved (backported?) driver still capped out at about 340 Mbps, which just won't cut it on gigabit fiber.
I have an Acer Aspire One KAV60/D150 from 2009. it has an Intel Atom 1.60GHZ single core, and I usually use it for hobby stuff lately. Upgraded mine too with a 60GB SSD, 2GB RAM, and I installed Xubuntu on it. Runs great!
These Thin Clients are very good small portable Win XP 32bit gaming surprises. I own both a HP T610 and T610 Plus (PCI Expansion.) Always nice to see these pcs being tinkered with.
I had a 1215N with the same chipset as you said, and I absolutely loved that machine. Got me through 3 years of community college with room to spare, just not so great for gaming haha. Thanks for featuring this.
I used to work on people's Shuttle units in the mid-late aughts and man they were cheap but efficient... but those motherboards were so picky when it came to upgrades and parts replacement. Like you experienced with that RAM upgrade.
Ah, I used to have that Shuttle in a pretty similar configuration and it was the ideal HTPC, completely inaudible and ran movies smoothly from Windows Home Server. It held up nicely for several years, I loved that little thing. Thanks for the nostalgia trip!
I have an EeePC from that time (also Intel Atom of course), which actually had a discrete GPU. Not sure why I thought that was a good idea, I think I installed Linux on it and ended up playing some Minecraft. Windows 7 was indeed too slow on it, and then on Linux I had to battle the whole "nvidia gpu vs. intel igpu" thing... I think it was called "optimus" at the time.
that tech, optimus, was pitted against ion, and i guess ion lost the battle for board presence, as intel threw billions of dollars at battling the low power draw space, and it won them the laptop war against ibm, mac, nvidia and amd, they still dominate the market, by a huge percentage, and thats down to them investing all that money into not only the chips, but the coding and software.
@@xPandamon Same here. I also have an ASUS eee pc and it runs Windows 7 Home Premium just fine on 2GB of RAM. I can even watch TH-cam videos in 480p and play my Big Fish games without slow downs. Windows only uses 800MB of RAM at most unless I have TH-cam open.
@@lightly-red-huedmaleindivi6266 I had to use the mobile TH-cam page, h246ify and custom drivers from chell but 480p ran well enough after some initial buffering. For one of the earliest netbooks that's not too bad, I could even enjoy some OG Doom. Also, nice name 😉
It’s amazing what they can cram into the form factor of a 100x100 VESA mount mini PC these days. I just deployed a ton of HP ProDesk 600 G6 Mini Desktops in the last couple of weeks ago in an automotive assembly plant, and I was impressed by their specs. These little guys had 10th Gen Intel Core i5’s with 8GB of RAM, a 256GB NVMe SSD, wired and wireless LAN, dual DisplayPort outputs, a couple of USB-C and a decent number of USB A ports. They looked like they had just a laptop style blower fan-but overall impressive for a 35w PC. Given the specs of our older, much chonkier ProDesk towers-those will be a much welcome upgrade, say nothing for the fact that they will take up almost zero space and won’t die a miserable heat death inside a cabinet on the floor of a manufacturing facility. The apparently make fancier EliteDesk versions, and if it weren’t for the $800-1K price tag, I’d totally consider getting one. Be on the lookout for these things in 3 years when they come off corporate leases because they’re gonna be a sick deal in the $200 range. These had a build date of 2019 on them, so presumably someone got those immediately after they were released, so there might be some hitting the secondhand market in as little as a year. Even though these things should be able to run Windows 11, I would absolutely be running Linux on them and retro gaming to my hearts content via emulation.
Sounds like the ideal work XP pc for you, Clint. Easy to install software into, quiet in general, and also compact enough to keep in your office without much hassle
Channel 13 out of Ashville....man that bring back memories. I grew up in the mountains on the SC side of the state line and that was literally the only OTA station we got...so till we got satellite TV latter on it was all I had to watch growing up.
omg, once you booted it up it evoked memories of literally every diag and clean up I get! It is fun to get to see you cover stuff we still see in the wild!
I have a similar 'Green PC' from the windows 8 era, it's an AMD SoC all in one with Radeon HD Graphics. Used it as a home server for a while since it has USB3 ports as well as 1gig Ethernet, though a Raspberry Pi 4 soon superseded it in both performance and power draw.
You can find bargain Xeon E7 pairs all day on ebay and other websites. I nabbed a pair of e7 4890's for 8 dollars (for both). Not quite "low power" if that's what you're going for. But for a home server, they're stupidly fast.
@@holocaust_2.0 Absolutely! I do have a much more powerful AMD Opteron based server too for more beefy stuff, but yea sadly for things i want to leave ticking away in the background 24/7, the Pi4 wins out on not inflating the electric bill
LGR has reached "current technology", Im still running a 2012 i5-2500K with a Radeon 7970 as my secondary PC / GFs Gaming PC, and its doing 2022 way better than id have ever imagind when I build it.
That 2000 series is a beast, I'm still rocking my I7-2700k as a home server and Nas (God bless Virtualisation and Linux) and it has never had any problems. Old motherboards are a nightmare though, and people have started to sell them as "Vintage Equipment" driving prices like mad.
Yeah! I have a 2500K in the last PC I built. Some day, when I can find a video card, I’ll finish my “new” build. (Which won’t be that new anymore by the time it’s finished.)
I'm running an i7 4790k and a GTX970, still getting by after 6 years. 👍🏻 You don't need to upgrade until the computer isn't doing what you need it to anymore.
Perfect for a little XFCE/LxQt Linux-install! I'd love to see the actual power consumption when it comes to some of these machines you cover, maybe invest in a Kill-a-watt?
That gives a good view to the need/want of hardware. For office machines it doesn't need much and many builds are oversized for it. I mean even back in 2013 most of our machines were old Athlon XP single core machines just because they could do all the work they needed to do adequately. Even nowadays a decent dual core is more than enough for that. Those small thin clients/nettops seem like the perfect point of performance and power consumption for office work.
Awesome. Another video from the magnificent Clint "LGR" Basinger 💪👍😃 Let's see what it's all about. Edit. Ok, that thing looks very compact. I'd like to have that too to play some older games without taking too much space. Very neat little machine. 👍 And that Sassy's name is kinda hilarious. 😄
With a GNU/Linux installation it could be used for basic things like browsing the internet or editing documents. With Windows XP it is only good for playing very old games. You can't do anything online with Windows XP today.
I think I've browsed more random sites than most people do on their modern machines on my XP box and never had a problem. No antivirus, nothing. This "XP just gets viruses" meme needs to die yesterday, it's really not that dangerous.
@@sarrakitty yea but as long they dont click on ads, it would be fine, most modern malwares nowadays target more popular OS, such as Windows 10 (and 11).
You can do more than just Linux on these netbooks. They're more than strong enough to run Windows 7 and even use modern programs like Firefox as-is. If you really want it to run faster, you can even install a mobile layout browser extension. Remember that cellphones are operating at the same speeds as those Intel Atoms, so most of the Internet is already designed to run on low-end hardware.
holy shit how far we have come. this thing has a 13w tdp while nowadays a mobile ryzen 7 with just two more watts of tdp has quadruple the cores and threads with boost frequencys way higher. just goes to show how much tech has improved.
Thanks for this video. I just came in to a Shuttle XS35 v3. It helped me to upgrade it. It originally had 4GB of RAM but it works with older 8GB of DDR3 at 1.5V (2X4GB). Mine came with Windows 10 Pro installed on a 120GB SSD drive. I removed the Wifi card to replace it with a combined USB dongle for Bluetooth and 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz Wifi. I installed it on my TV to view movies from Tubi and Pluto. In the DVD drive bay, I installed a 500GB HHD drive I had on hand.
That looks awesome but I wanted to ask you something, is there any chance you can provide a link to the Sassy’s Computers wallpaper that’s on the machine please?
DDR3 SODIMM had this annoying split that you'd have 1.5v and 1.35v modules, and they were incompatible. I don't think you can damage anything with the wrong kinda module but it sure is annoying. PC3 is the 1.5v and PC3L is the lower 1.35v spec, and it appears that one you tried to add was a PC3L module.
The problem isn't the RAM voltage, PC3L/DDR3L modules can run both 1.35V and 1.5V per JEDEC spec, so older machines (Ivy Bridge or earlier) which runs memory at 1.5V can use such modules. Newer machines (Haswell / Bay Trail or later) can only use 1.35V modules and will refuse to boot with 1.5V modules installed. It's more to do with memory density: Clint was replacing a low density RAM module with a high density one, note that the low density module has 8 chips on each side while the high density has 4. He didn't need to replace the RAM anyway since it already had a 4GB stick. I was quite surprised this PC can even use the full 4GB RAM, most netbooks of that era could only take 2GB RAM at max. Probably due to the processor difference? (Atom D5xx on nettops vs N5xx on netbooks)
@@OverTallman that's what I heard too but in my experience many machines only want one type. I've never heard about density mattering at all though, that sounds made up.
@@Nukle0n Memory density is real though. Try getting a late Penryn Core 2 Duo (w/ DDR3 slots) or Westmere i3/i5/i7 laptops and put high density 4GB sticks (with 4 chips on each side) and they'll either: POST but crash while booting OS; not POST at all; no POST but emits loud beeps. You can take my word on this: I've had a Latitude E5510, a Latitude E6410, an EliteBook 2740p, an EliteBook 8440p, a ThinkPad X201 and two ThinkPad T410, all being Westmere i5 laptops. To get 8GB RAM I had to install a pair of low density 4GB sticks (with 8 chips on each side) in each of them, no exception. Put high density RAM and I'd get no POST or loud beeps. Meanwhile I also had a ThinkPad X230 (an Ivy Bridge laptop) which had no problem taking pretty much any type of DDR3 SODIMM modules: 1.5V/1.35V, low/high density, 1GB/2 2GB/4GB/8GB... well except 16GB modules as they're for Broadwell or later. Mixing different types of modules was fine too. Low density RAM were usually made earlier while high density RAM appeared later (as manufacturing process got better), so does the voltage (older machines use 1.5V, newer machines use 1.35V). Now the memory density/voltage stuff gets confusing as they can get mixed up, that is low density 1.35V modules and high density 1.5V modules, these do exist though not as common as the mainstream ones.
@@OverTallman sorry for the dismissive reply, i was in a bad mood. It just seems weird, and i worked in laptop refurbishing, and we never had a problem with density, it was always the voltage.
@@Nukle0n It's cool, no offense taken. I guess you're more used to refurbishing newer laptops as the memory voltage matters in those laptops. As I said before, starting from Haswell they requires 1.35V modules. Lucky you haven't yet touched a Penryn or Westmere laptop (which memory density matters for 4GB modules, no such problem for 1GB/2GB modules), though to be fair those machines are at least 11 years old now so they may not be that worthwhile to refurb now.
I remember having a netbook from the early 2010s. At the time it was ideal for taking on trips to check emails, research tourist attractions, and watch movies. Small and light, enough power to do stuff, and cheap!
When the Atom came out, I remember being amazed that Intel were actually able to beat their own record and make a processor that was even slower than a Celeron!
WUT? What are you even comparing? Apple II or Amiga 500 is slower than a Celeron. That doesn't mean it's worse or anything really. Comparing two different platforms, with different use and market entirely doesn't make much sense.
@@override7486 They were both from the same time period. The Celeron was an incredibly weak processor in its time, and struggled with even basic tasks. The Atom was supposed to occupy the same niche but it turned out to be even worse! We expect newer chips to be faster than older ones from the same performance tier.
Is that still SDRAM for it to run that high? Even DDR1 ran at 2.8v and DDR2, which should be common at the time, did 1.8v in most cases (with some higher end sticks all the way up to 2.2v)
I don't think that was the problem - the original RAM was standard DDR3 running at 1.5V. DDR3L is specified for 1.35V, but usually works at 1.5V as well. The new RAM wouldn't have been faster even if it had worked, because the memory controller in the CPU only supports DDR3-800 anyway.
I've run into some Sandy Bridge era laptops that didn't like 1.35 V sticks AT ALL, insisting on 1.5 V ones. It's definitely a thing. (I now have a Fujitsu Lifebook S761 with non-working standby power. That attempted RAM upgrade really went wrong.)
I'm a Buncombe County native and remember these commercials well. I love the local stuff. I think it was the Gizmondo video where you took some pics with it and I thought "gosh, those buildings look familiar" before the lightbulb went off.
Hey Clint! Great video. Just curious: did you play HL2 via Steam, or a retail copy? Since Source got updates over the time maybe the Steam up to date version could be harder to run even on era-appropiate hardware.
Beside the latest version of Steam that support XP, HL2 also got updated (which have Steam Deck/Controllers UI and improvements, major bug fixes that fixes many 2013-14 SteamPipe version issues) in 2022 and its have newer steam_api (which requires newer version of Steam) for some features like Achievements, its unknown if its still playable on XP, even without these.
@@megakarlachofficial it would be harder to run the modern steam version. The fact that it's more resource intensive was complained about at length in spuf (steam powered user forums, the discussion section before modern steam community discussions) threads at the time the update to orange box engine happened.
OMG that Sassy's commercial was epic! You just have to love when local lads try to make commercials. Hehehe... I visited Asheville in the early 2000s. Dang, I could have stopped by Sassy's!
Out of interest, have you ever considered trying these old Windows games using WINE on a modern Linux distribution? Just curious to know what your experiences were if you ever tried it.
@@HappyBeezerStudios this is also my experience. A lot of things run better with WINE than modern windows. There are some niche, niche programs I have trouble with (i.e. The Sims 3 Create a World), but I'm much happier with Linux and WINE than I have been with windows since 7.
I didn't have the same one but had an acer revo nettop, was a dual core atom with 2gb ram, started with windows 2000 but then got a new pc and so it got repurposed as a linux machine which used to play unreal tournament 2004 nicely enough, then repurposed again into a Linux server which ran home file server, web server, teamspeak server, irc server, vpn server, minidlna server, thing was A beast, was being used up till about a year ago when I moved and now have something bigger. Loved it and still have it sat right next to me too. love this vid thankyou ♥♥♥
You really got to wonder what has to happen so an OS becomes infected with that much crap as if it were a grandpa-PC parody. Love that omnipresent techguy-head, though. Its almost like a desktop pet.
@@HappyBeezerStudios that's all the scam software you've get from advertisements and pop ups at the time. I used to fix tons of computers around that time and this was the standard state (or worse) they'd arrive in. A PC shop would not put driver optimizers and PC scanner software on a PC.
@@volvo09 And they are notoriously hard to eliminate. At one time Malwarebytes and Spybot S&D were really good tools, And scamware would make it impossible to reach those sites. Sometimes even forcing a redirect to its own site, 95% of the time of course Safemode with Networking hit the spot(I did phone support so unlike onsite there was no option to do offline safemode and carry a USB or CD with a set of cleaning tools).
Oh no way! We used almost this exact model as an all-in-one embedded device for a work thing. Getting those Atom video drivers to work on Linux was horrendous.
Did you change the thermal paste and/or pads, if it didn't throttle it wouldn't make a difference performance wise, but considering what the FLIR showed it might have been pretty toasty in there? I really enjoy videos like this.
I used one of this, combina from Shuttle directly rather than this brand, on the place I worked (I am a software debeloper). We programmed an app that was designed to run on those PCs. They were excelent machines, at least for what we used them. I remember that we booted them from SD cards and not ssd. That was circa 2014 though. Your video bringed me memories of that at least. Pd: I think you are a mind reader. As soon as I was thinking "can they run Crysis", that section of the video started 😂
I don't really consider it retro, just... really outdated. Give it another five to ten years and I'm sure we'll start seeing retro reviews of 2011 machines
@@LGR Linus Tech Tips already on it with their recent video about "old" DirectX 11 video cards like the "old" AMD Radeon HD 7870 and R7 cards. 🙄 I really hate how patronizing they are whenever they talk about products from the past 5 years or more.
I have the same one (not Sassy's), only with more powerful hardware including CPU and Radeon GPU and upgraded by me SSD, bluray drive and RAM. Great XP machine. For me it is a super cool small system. I did try to install Windows 98SE on it, but I failed. Thanks for the video!
I built a silent mini PC from a Zotac motherboard with the same D525 CPU and a really early 64GB SSD. This ran WInamp as a music server in my van, which I remotely controlled from a Bluetooth app on my Symbian phone, then later over Wifi with Android. The audio quality was far better than anything I could achieve with bluetooth or headphone out from a phone. I installed a PicoPSU which accepted 6-24v so it would run off a car battery. This little PC put up with all the vibrations, heat and humidity changes that a vehicle put it through, yet only drew 14 Watts of energy from the car battery, so it would run all day with the engine off if needed.
I want to give everyone a sense of scale when talking about Sassy's. I live near Charlotte, I have for most of my life, wich is about a 2-3 hour drive from Asheville. I have never heard of Sassy's before this video. Granted I was only about 9-10 years old when this was being made, and had far more important issues to deal with, like the fact the Zane was a robot
Love it! I've got an Acer Revo 1600 and a Revo RL80. Fun tiny little buggers great for running old stuff without the giant desktop footprint. The RL80 stand doubles as a VESA mount for that unit. Fun stuff indeed!
I bought one of these around 2010/2011. Running Windows 7 just fine since I didn't have a bunch of crap installed. I ran it as a HTPC using XBMC connected to my TV. Even did an SSD upgrade back then too and enjoyed the total silence! It's been collecting dust for a while now, but if I ever need a PC based server for some basic 24/7 operation, I'll be using it again. No fans and low power make it perfect for that!
Gday Clint. Came back to this video having spent the last couple weeks playing around with a couple of Shuttle XPCs I had stashed away. I’d never even heard of that Nvidia Ion video chip before. Almost sounds like the Atom GPU equivalent before they went down the ARM/Tegra route. Have you played with one of the more fully fledged XPCs? These were *the* LAN party machine to have back in the day. So much smaller that the full tower behemoth (and corresponding 21” Trinitron) that I used to lug around.
I used to have a similar system from that time. It was an even more compact Lenovo, with the dual Atom + Ion combo, which I had bought on sale from Fry's. The first thing I did once I took it out of the box was replace the hard drive with a 64 GB SSD and install Windows 7 32 from scratch. It came with a compact wireless keyboard/mouse remote and I had it hooked up to the main TV. It was good enough to run Kodi and a few retro games.
As a resident of the Carolinas, it often feels like there's not much in the way of computer history here. Its nice to know that Clint is always covering what little there is
Have been enjoying the videos for a long time. Just wanted to say this channel is really soothing for my anxiety and love the content. You and Ashens really spark my interest in the old, retro and wacky.
They seemed to really want to hide that this was a Shuttle OEM Case. It looks like they took a razer free hand to remove part of the manufacturing label. They removed the section mentioning that it was a shuttle made device.
The major selling point of the ion gpu was its hardware video decoding capacity for hd video! I actually built a few htpc around a similar configuration at that time. Too bad the ion + atom duo was so short lived thought. The next atom generation was actually worse because it lacked that hardware decoding capacity and was still far from being able to handle it in software. Motherboard with ion gpu stayed popular for quite some time, they became actually more expensive than newer atom motherboard for some time.
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THAT'S MY COMPUTER!!!!! I created the Green PC for Sassy's. I designed the badge myself. I am the scrawny nerd in the ads that ran on WLOS.
Wow
Good job
I selected the platform and parts to be capable of running all basic productivity software as well as playback videos in 1080p and handle DVD playback. I actually had one of these as a media center PC, hooked up to my TV for years.
Username checks out 👍
Why isn’t this pinned haha. That’s awesome
LGR is now covering retro things from when LGR was two years old as a channel. This is troubling, the passage of time is an existential terror.
Intel Atom and Windows XP Media Centre 👀
Honestly though for such an underpowered chip it decodes media pretty damn well, didn’t expect to see 1080p so smooth.
It probably has hardware decoding onboard
Also quite curious if using the original 2004 Release of HL2 might help. Certainly helps on a lot of underpowered systems
@ Most likely, I’m just used to seeing Atoms struggle with even 720p and H264ify on TH-cam
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial that depends on the atom.
I remember my old core 2 duo having trouble with 1080p video!
Just found your channel again a week ago. My late father was a big fan of yours. So watching you again has been nice.
My condolences on your father, yusha.
Glad to be rediscovered though, I do hope that the videos provide good vibes :)
My condolences.
what is that pfp though??
It still boggles my brain to see Clint reviewing hardware that's younger than the LGR channel, but I guess that was bound to happen eventually! Great video though, and a wonderful reminder of an era of computer gaming that I remember very well.
younger than the channel? sooo, "born" after Mar 9, 2006 ?
I had to really think about this, I don't know why haha
That's the old argument of what counts as "retro", some consider everything of 10 years and older (Which would mean a Core 2 Quad Q6600 is retro now), some set the threshold on the single/dual core, some between P3/Athlon and P4/Athlon XP, some the switch away from Windows XP, some put it on the change to NT on the consumer desktop, some on pure DOS, etc.
@@HappyBeezerStudios If everything 10 years old is 'retro' I am daily driving a retro pc lol.
Back in the day, Nostalgia Critic did the same thing (like 'em or hate 'em is not what I'm debating here). Doug realized that not only was he running out of "nostalgia" content, but essentially asked "what makes something nostalgic?". So, he changed to a slightly different format of "time isn't always what makes something nostalgic".
@@HappyBeezerStudios Some people also have the threshold of whether or not it can run modern operating systems.
Wow. I've never seen a computer store that looked and sounded like a gentlemen's club. That totally should have worked. RIP Sassy's.
Found Jeff Lowe's TH-cam account. How's that zoo/night club idea working out?
Sassy's sounds more like a gentlemens club than a computer repair business.
That, or a southern ladies hair salon business LOL!
Kinda looked like one inside too, all those shiny poles 😄
@@LGR An entirely different sort of business at night...
"Lapdances for Laptops"
This sounds like the start of a film to save two struggling local businesses....
I find this sort of thing (Let's face it, this is practically Oddware) utterly fascinating.
I always thought that in the future of computing, this was the direction that we would go. Smaller and smaller PCs.
But here I sit with a gaming computer under my desk that weighs over 40 pounds and is bigger than a friggin' suitcase. C'est la vie.
ITX is making a big play these days, though you still face cooling limitations in SFF builds.
I saw a video sometime ago, I think from Linus Tech Tips, saying that this would be the future from here. Their reasoning was that since reducing the space between components improves performance future PCs would move towards this form factor.
Apple M1 and M2 Minis are the absolute embodiment of this philosophy being successful in the modern day
I feel like, the more tech starts to peak, the more making it compact will become desirable.
Using laptops since a decade now. Perfectly fine for YT, browsing (never had problems with any browser), playing older or easier games and other stuff like office programs. My brick the size of a mini fridge from the late 90s couldn't handle three open tabs and an media player at the same time. So yeah, I would say that smaller pcs were a good prediction.
Got this exact PC haha. I got it in 2014 very cheap from Amazon UK (£140). I put a slim slot load Blu-ray Burner in it and SSD. Since it has Intel QuickSync support it was/is a perfect Steam remote play/Media centre PC. Steam streaming (at least at 1080p, never tried it at 4K) was flawless. Now it's just sat in on a shelf with no use. Plus Fanless/Passive cooling as well as just looking good next to the TV! Mine has a more pleasing 'Shuttle' Branding on the sides though. That oval is an eye sore haha
Mine had a Celeron J1900 CPU in it with the Quicksync support, very capable!
$140 haha you hot ripped off
Eh I wouldn't call that a ripoff in 2014. You could get it cheaper used from somewhere but with Amazon you could return it if it didn't work.
@@learnedeldersofteemo8917 actually, it’s more like $186
That would be a Shuttle XS36V4, compared to the XS35GT V2 he have, those are VERY different machines even if the outside is similar.
The Celeron J1900 is more than 3 years newer, has twice the number of cores and each core is also almost twice as fast!
Similarly the GPU side is wildly different, his as an Nvidia Ion 2 discrete GPU, yours has integrated GPU with QuickSync generation 2, note that even QuickSync 1 didn't even exist when the D525 was launched.
Basically, there's pretty much no similarities beyond the shell... Which also explains the price, it would have been insane to sell a D525/Ion2 for that in 2014, but reasonable for a J1900 in a very small shell (which always cost extra).
@@samholdsworth420 hahahaha 😅👍🏻
That aquarium screensaver is honestly very good looking for how low the requirements are. Jim Sachs is very talented, indeed.
I was thinking the same thing. The animation of the fish still looks great.
The full expanded version is still available for sale! Looks incredible on a modern 4K display, too www.serenescreen.com/v2/
I unlocked a forgotten memory seeing that. Every time I watch LGR I find something I lost in the turmoil of modern life and I end up hoarding it like some sort of scavenger on a quest to renew my forgotten youth.
@@LGR I run it across two 4K monitors. My dream aquarium minus the maintenance
@@LGR Thanks for the reminder! I totally forgot about this screensaver. I had it on an old Gateway back in the day. 🤗
Shame they shut down, I associate these little independent repair/sales places more with the 90s - to survive to 2018 is impressive.
I've seen a scant few repair/sales shops remaining here in MA. The ones left deserve to go out of business, for what they charge for repairs, the scammy optimization type services and the ludicrous prices they ask for used hardware, I don't know how they stay in business.
@@Chef_Alpo Isn't that just the way? All the good shops I remember are gone, and all the bad ones (including a couple I worked for) are still around 😂
Anybody wondering if this is old enough to be retro I can assure them I tried using an Intel Atom netbook in 2011 or so and it felt a decade old then.
Yep, it's really like using a desktop PC from 2002
i used to play the heck outta san andreas on my netbook back in those days.. crazy how well some games are optimized that they would run decent on those super slow machines! i used to always play halo and battle field 2 online as well with the netbook... the very low power consumption always made them interesting to me
There is a pretty good reason for that. The Intel atom first gen lines are really just refreshed Pentium cores.
Hmmm most business here in the slum jungle run 775 pcs, and when they buy new pcs it's generic chinese MB with usually an i3-2100, my working laptop is from 2011 and works nice with ssd + ram upgrade, so i would be innacurate calling something from 2011 old
Netbooks were a revolution for cheap computers though. Sure they were cheap crap and were destined for dumpsters, but as a kid in 2009 or so an Acer Aspire One felt like a miracle. Nowadays you can get a perfectly-usable older laptop for a couple hundred bucks, but back then it felt amazing and community support through linux distros and stuff was incredible. Nowadays a total antique though with the ubiquity of smartphones.
I frequented CDO in Greenville a lot and they helped me when I was just starting out learning the ins and outs of pc building. They had a whole diy area where anyone could come in, work on their pcs, and ask for help. Really cool place, sad to see it go. 😥
I think a video covering the netbook fad from back then would be neat.
I picked one up a couple of years ago because it was advertised as running Windows 10. I had to see that.
Eventually put XP on it and it hasn't half come in useful for some old niche software.
@Jared Lash I agree! I've been trying to find the netbook I had back then to make a video about someday
i had that nickelodeon one from dell and used it for years upon years. even though i was the intended age range for it i instantly uninstalled the theme that came pre-loaded onto it hahahaha. i played a lot of emulators and skulltag on it.
I almost bought one because im a writer and having an ultra portable writing machine was appealing but the small keyboard size for writings session was bad for my oven mitt hands.
@@LGR Which one did you have?
I remember the Shuttle 'cube' PCs from the early 2000s, fun fact I was in the local IT department of my school that year doing work experience and got to build several from scratch, my fingers accidentally touched one of the power supply contacts whilst it was plugged in and I felt it! Luckily the circuit breakers kicked in very quickly
Sassy's... that's a name I haven't heard in a loooooong time. Sad to hear they're not around anymore. I grew up near Asheville and we would often go into town for computer parts. They weren't as easy to get out in the country back then!
honestly I grew up in a town of nearly 80,000 population and even we did not have a big computer parts place, a few overpriced locals unless one drove an hour to a CompUSA.
@@filanfyretracker Same. I live in a town of about 70k people here in northern California and we don't really have any actual PC stores. The closest we have is Staples, but they usually only sold very few PC parts (only 1-2 RAM models, and an off brand PSU and some hard drives) at high prices.
I worked at WLOS during that time, was NOT expecting a total blast from the past! AND you mention CDO! MY BRAIN!
I'm the scrawny nerd who wrote, directed, and appeared in those commercials. I can't saw I remember any of the WLOS guys that came by the shop but I remember excitedly talking to them about what we were shooting that day.
This is kind of an amazing device. I remember seeing computers like this in workplaces and they were bolted to the monitor. What a cool little device. Thanks for the video about it!
As always, great enjoyable video. So fun to see the nostalgia of winXP. That green PC was awfully cute. It prompted me to shop for a portable Blu ray player of that size hopefully minus that stand :) Thank You for the Video and your hard work!
Love these small form factors! And seeing a clean install of xp on an SSD was satisfying lol
This is the most relaxing channel on TH-cam.
Wow, I've had one of these set up forever as a emulator PC for MAME with Windows 7 installed on it. It's actually still surprisingly capable, I always loved it for it's unique form factor, quiet operation, and built-in disc drive.
the original installation reminds me of what my parent’s computers looked like when they still used actual windows PCs. that scammy tech support head brought back memories i forgot i had
Those D525s are surprisingly good little processors. I've been running one with a board that I bought on salvage for $15 as a PfSense box for the last 6 or so years, and it just keeps going!
Ditto, ran mine as a PFSense box until the proprietary PSU in my case died.
My old pfSense box had a D525 as well. Nothing ever failed - it still works fine - but FreeBSD's Realtek NIC driver is _terrible._ Even compiling and loading an improved (backported?) driver still capped out at about 340 Mbps, which just won't cut it on gigabit fiber.
@@Azlehria Well, I learned something. I should check to see what NIC chip I have. Thanks!
I have an Acer Aspire One KAV60/D150 from 2009. it has an Intel Atom 1.60GHZ single core, and I usually use it for hobby stuff lately. Upgraded mine too with a 60GB SSD, 2GB RAM, and I installed Xubuntu on it. Runs great!
These Thin Clients are very good small portable Win XP 32bit gaming surprises. I own both a HP T610 and T610 Plus (PCI Expansion.) Always nice to see these pcs being tinkered with.
Thank you for uploading those wallpapers. You rule
It's great to see something completely random like this - somebody has to preserve these devices however obscure and random they may be.
Thanks, I agree! These little things are fascinating tidbits of tech history.
I had a 1215N with the same chipset as you said, and I absolutely loved that machine. Got me through 3 years of community college with room to spare, just not so great for gaming haha. Thanks for featuring this.
I used to work on people's Shuttle units in the mid-late aughts and man they were cheap but efficient... but those motherboards were so picky when it came to upgrades and parts replacement. Like you experienced with that RAM upgrade.
I remember when Shuttle was the go-to builder for LAN PCs, because they were so small and light but decently fast.
@@HappyBeezerStudios I'm pretty sure the first NAS I ever put together was from a shuttle pre-fab as well. They were everywhere around that time.
Ah, I used to have that Shuttle in a pretty similar configuration and it was the ideal HTPC, completely inaudible and ran movies smoothly from Windows Home Server. It held up nicely for several years, I loved that little thing. Thanks for the nostalgia trip!
I have an EeePC from that time (also Intel Atom of course), which actually had a discrete GPU. Not sure why I thought that was a good idea, I think I installed Linux on it and ended up playing some Minecraft. Windows 7 was indeed too slow on it, and then on Linux I had to battle the whole "nvidia gpu vs. intel igpu" thing... I think it was called "optimus" at the time.
that tech, optimus, was pitted against ion, and i guess ion lost the battle for board presence, as intel threw billions of dollars at battling the low power draw space, and it won them the laptop war against ibm, mac, nvidia and amd, they still dominate the market, by a huge percentage, and thats down to them investing all that money into not only the chips, but the coding and software.
What are you guys doing with your poor Netbooks? Had one with an Intel Atom N270, it ran Windows 7 just fine, on 2 GB of RAM..
@@xPandamon same here. In fact, I have an Acer D-250 with an Atom CPU and 1gb RAM and it runs Windows 7 quite nicely for everyday tasks
@@xPandamon Same here. I also have an ASUS eee pc and it runs Windows 7 Home Premium just fine on 2GB of RAM. I can even watch TH-cam videos in 480p and play my Big Fish games without slow downs. Windows only uses 800MB of RAM at most unless I have TH-cam open.
@@lightly-red-huedmaleindivi6266 I had to use the mobile TH-cam page, h246ify and custom drivers from chell but 480p ran well enough after some initial buffering. For one of the earliest netbooks that's not too bad, I could even enjoy some OG Doom. Also, nice name 😉
It’s amazing what they can cram into the form factor of a 100x100 VESA mount mini PC these days. I just deployed a ton of HP ProDesk 600 G6 Mini Desktops in the last couple of weeks ago in an automotive assembly plant, and I was impressed by their specs. These little guys had 10th Gen Intel Core i5’s with 8GB of RAM, a 256GB NVMe SSD, wired and wireless LAN, dual DisplayPort outputs, a couple of USB-C and a decent number of USB A ports. They looked like they had just a laptop style blower fan-but overall impressive for a 35w PC. Given the specs of our older, much chonkier ProDesk towers-those will be a much welcome upgrade, say nothing for the fact that they will take up almost zero space and won’t die a miserable heat death inside a cabinet on the floor of a manufacturing facility.
The apparently make fancier EliteDesk versions, and if it weren’t for the $800-1K price tag, I’d totally consider getting one. Be on the lookout for these things in 3 years when they come off corporate leases because they’re gonna be a sick deal in the $200 range. These had a build date of 2019 on them, so presumably someone got those immediately after they were released, so there might be some hitting the secondhand market in as little as a year.
Even though these things should be able to run Windows 11, I would absolutely be running Linux on them and retro gaming to my hearts content via emulation.
That commercial. It's Amazing.
It's so wild to see my local news on a fairly large youtube channel. I definitely remember the commercial as well.
Sounds like the ideal work XP pc for you, Clint. Easy to install software into, quiet in general, and also compact enough to keep in your office without much hassle
My thinking exactly!
Channel 13 out of Ashville....man that bring back memories. I grew up in the mountains on the SC side of the state line and that was literally the only OTA station we got...so till we got satellite TV latter on it was all I had to watch growing up.
Time to compile Gentoo on that little thing! Can't wait to see how it works when you finish the install in 2 years!
omg, once you booted it up it evoked memories of literally every diag and clean up I get! It is fun to get to see you cover stuff we still see in the wild!
I have a similar 'Green PC' from the windows 8 era, it's an AMD SoC all in one with Radeon HD Graphics. Used it as a home server for a while since it has USB3 ports as well as 1gig Ethernet, though a Raspberry Pi 4 soon superseded it in both performance and power draw.
You can find bargain Xeon E7 pairs all day on ebay and other websites. I nabbed a pair of e7 4890's for 8 dollars (for both). Not quite "low power" if that's what you're going for. But for a home server, they're stupidly fast.
@@holocaust_2.0 Absolutely! I do have a much more powerful AMD Opteron based server too for more beefy stuff, but yea sadly for things i want to leave ticking away in the background 24/7, the Pi4 wins out on not inflating the electric bill
This little thing is precious.
LGR has reached "current technology", Im still running a 2012 i5-2500K with a Radeon 7970 as my secondary PC / GFs Gaming PC, and its doing 2022 way better than id have ever imagind when I build it.
That 2000 series is a beast, I'm still rocking my I7-2700k as a home server and Nas (God bless Virtualisation and Linux) and it has never had any problems.
Old motherboards are a nightmare though, and people have started to sell them as "Vintage Equipment" driving prices like mad.
Yeah! I have a 2500K in the last PC I built. Some day, when I can find a video card, I’ll finish my “new” build. (Which won’t be that new anymore by the time it’s finished.)
If you need a cheap quad core hyperthreaded CPU, I'd recommend looking at the Xeon E3 v1 and v2 CPU's, trust me the upgrade is worth it!
I'm running an i7 4790k and a GTX970, still getting by after 6 years. 👍🏻 You don't need to upgrade until the computer isn't doing what you need it to anymore.
LGR has multiple modern computers, moron. He even built on on this channel. The channel is named Lazy Game Reviews not "Retro reviews"
Netbook retrospective approaching! 🤩
Perfect for a little XFCE/LxQt Linux-install! I'd love to see the actual power consumption when it comes to some of these machines you cover, maybe invest in a Kill-a-watt?
That gives a good view to the need/want of hardware. For office machines it doesn't need much and many builds are oversized for it.
I mean even back in 2013 most of our machines were old Athlon XP single core machines just because they could do all the work they needed to do adequately.
Even nowadays a decent dual core is more than enough for that.
Those small thin clients/nettops seem like the perfect point of performance and power consumption for office work.
When he said Win 7' was too much, my head went to LMDE with xFCE before it went to XP. It just makes more sense
My favorite kind of videos. Seeing a poor machine saved both from bloat and being forever forgotten is always good to see ! ❤️
Awesome. Another video from the magnificent Clint "LGR" Basinger 💪👍😃
Let's see what it's all about.
Edit. Ok, that thing looks very compact. I'd like to have that too to play some older games without taking too much space.
Very neat little machine. 👍
And that Sassy's name is kinda hilarious. 😄
It's very sad that iconic companies such as Sassy are no longer in business. Great video as ever.
With a GNU/Linux installation it could be used for basic things like browsing the internet or editing documents. With Windows XP it is only good for playing very old games. You can't do anything online with Windows XP today.
You can get viruses, that's something right?
I think I've browsed more random sites than most people do on their modern machines on my XP box and never had a problem. No antivirus, nothing. This "XP just gets viruses" meme needs to die yesterday, it's really not that dangerous.
@@sarrakitty yea but as long they dont click on ads, it would be fine, most modern malwares nowadays target more popular OS, such as Windows 10 (and 11).
You can do more than just Linux on these netbooks. They're more than strong enough to run Windows 7 and even use modern programs like Firefox as-is. If you really want it to run faster, you can even install a mobile layout browser extension. Remember that cellphones are operating at the same speeds as those Intel Atoms, so most of the Internet is already designed to run on low-end hardware.
@@lightly-red-huedmaleindivi6266Phones are low-end hardware? What about the Snapdragon 865 in my phone with 8 cores and 8 GB of LPDDR5 Ram?
Shoutout for the Need for Speed: Porsche Unleased clip! Love that game!
holy shit how far we have come. this thing has a 13w tdp while nowadays a mobile ryzen 7 with just two more watts of tdp has quadruple the cores and threads with boost frequencys way higher. just goes to show how much tech has improved.
Thanks for this video. I just came in to a Shuttle XS35 v3. It helped me to upgrade it. It originally had 4GB of RAM but it works with older 8GB of DDR3 at 1.5V (2X4GB). Mine came with Windows 10 Pro installed on a 120GB SSD drive. I removed the Wifi card to replace it with a combined USB dongle for Bluetooth and 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz Wifi. I installed it on my TV to view movies from Tubi and Pluto. In the DVD drive bay, I installed a 500GB HHD drive I had on hand.
That looks awesome but I wanted to ask you something, is there any chance you can provide a link to the Sassy’s Computers wallpaper that’s on the machine please?
Sure! archive.org/details/sassys-logos
Thanks very much!!!
Yep, had these at university in the UK around the same time, USBs blocked by the cage & padlocked to a frame behind the monitor... Nice vid as ever :)
DDR3 SODIMM had this annoying split that you'd have 1.5v and 1.35v modules, and they were incompatible. I don't think you can damage anything with the wrong kinda module but it sure is annoying. PC3 is the 1.5v and PC3L is the lower 1.35v spec, and it appears that one you tried to add was a PC3L module.
The problem isn't the RAM voltage, PC3L/DDR3L modules can run both 1.35V and 1.5V per JEDEC spec, so older machines (Ivy Bridge or earlier) which runs memory at 1.5V can use such modules. Newer machines (Haswell / Bay Trail or later) can only use 1.35V modules and will refuse to boot with 1.5V modules installed.
It's more to do with memory density: Clint was replacing a low density RAM module with a high density one, note that the low density module has 8 chips on each side while the high density has 4. He didn't need to replace the RAM anyway since it already had a 4GB stick.
I was quite surprised this PC can even use the full 4GB RAM, most netbooks of that era could only take 2GB RAM at max. Probably due to the processor difference? (Atom D5xx on nettops vs N5xx on netbooks)
@@OverTallman that's what I heard too but in my experience many machines only want one type. I've never heard about density mattering at all though, that sounds made up.
@@Nukle0n Memory density is real though. Try getting a late Penryn Core 2 Duo (w/ DDR3 slots) or Westmere i3/i5/i7 laptops and put high density 4GB sticks (with 4 chips on each side) and they'll either: POST but crash while booting OS; not POST at all; no POST but emits loud beeps.
You can take my word on this: I've had a Latitude E5510, a Latitude E6410, an EliteBook 2740p, an EliteBook 8440p, a ThinkPad X201 and two ThinkPad T410, all being Westmere i5 laptops. To get 8GB RAM I had to install a pair of low density 4GB sticks (with 8 chips on each side) in each of them, no exception. Put high density RAM and I'd get no POST or loud beeps. Meanwhile I also had a ThinkPad X230 (an Ivy Bridge laptop) which had no problem taking pretty much any type of DDR3 SODIMM modules: 1.5V/1.35V, low/high density, 1GB/2 2GB/4GB/8GB... well except 16GB modules as they're for Broadwell or later. Mixing different types of modules was fine too.
Low density RAM were usually made earlier while high density RAM appeared later (as manufacturing process got better), so does the voltage (older machines use 1.5V, newer machines use 1.35V). Now the memory density/voltage stuff gets confusing as they can get mixed up, that is low density 1.35V modules and high density 1.5V modules, these do exist though not as common as the mainstream ones.
@@OverTallman sorry for the dismissive reply, i was in a bad mood. It just seems weird, and i worked in laptop refurbishing, and we never had a problem with density, it was always the voltage.
@@Nukle0n It's cool, no offense taken.
I guess you're more used to refurbishing newer laptops as the memory voltage matters in those laptops. As I said before, starting from Haswell they requires 1.35V modules.
Lucky you haven't yet touched a Penryn or Westmere laptop (which memory density matters for 4GB modules, no such problem for 1GB/2GB modules), though to be fair those machines are at least 11 years old now so they may not be that worthwhile to refurb now.
I remember having a netbook from the early 2010s. At the time it was ideal for taking on trips to check emails, research tourist attractions, and watch movies. Small and light, enough power to do stuff, and cheap!
When the Atom came out, I remember being amazed that Intel were actually able to beat their own record and make a processor that was even slower than a Celeron!
WUT? What are you even comparing? Apple II or Amiga 500 is slower than a Celeron. That doesn't mean it's worse or anything really. Comparing two different platforms, with different use and market entirely doesn't make much sense.
@@override7486 They were both from the same time period. The Celeron was an incredibly weak processor in its time, and struggled with even basic tasks. The Atom was supposed to occupy the same niche but it turned out to be even worse!
We expect newer chips to be faster than older ones from the same performance tier.
Now you've gotten me interested in these slim PCs. At least the ones I'm finding on ebay are dirt cheap.
4:52 Look it's the EEE PEE CEE
I was just going to mention this HAHAH
It's a adorable little nettop for sure, never seen many of these before but like you said, a great media center option.
The incompatible RAM module might be the voltage issue, e.g. 3.3V and 3.5V. I might be wrong.
Is that still SDRAM for it to run that high? Even DDR1 ran at 2.8v and DDR2, which should be common at the time, did 1.8v in most cases (with some higher end sticks all the way up to 2.2v)
I don't think that was the problem - the original RAM was standard DDR3 running at 1.5V. DDR3L is specified for 1.35V, but usually works at 1.5V as well.
The new RAM wouldn't have been faster even if it had worked, because the memory controller in the CPU only supports DDR3-800 anyway.
I've run into some Sandy Bridge era laptops that didn't like 1.35 V sticks AT ALL, insisting on 1.5 V ones. It's definitely a thing. (I now have a Fujitsu Lifebook S761 with non-working standby power. That attempted RAM upgrade really went wrong.)
I'm a Buncombe County native and remember these commercials well. I love the local stuff. I think it was the Gizmondo video where you took some pics with it and I thought "gosh, those buildings look familiar" before the lightbulb went off.
Hey Clint! Great video. Just curious: did you play HL2 via Steam, or a retail copy? Since Source got updates over the time maybe the Steam up to date version could be harder to run even on era-appropiate hardware.
It's an old version yeah, Steam doesn't even install on XP anymore.
Beside the latest version of Steam that support XP, HL2 also got updated (which have Steam Deck/Controllers UI and improvements, major bug fixes that fixes many 2013-14 SteamPipe version issues) in 2022 and its have newer steam_api (which requires newer version of Steam) for some features like Achievements, its unknown if its still playable on XP, even without these.
@@megakarlachofficial it would be harder to run the modern steam version. The fact that it's more resource intensive was complained about at length in spuf (steam powered user forums, the discussion section before modern steam community discussions) threads at the time the update to orange box engine happened.
OMG that Sassy's commercial was epic! You just have to love when local lads try to make commercials. Hehehe...
I visited Asheville in the early 2000s. Dang, I could have stopped by Sassy's!
Out of interest, have you ever considered trying these old Windows games using WINE on a modern Linux distribution? Just curious to know what your experiences were if you ever tried it.
Yep, I did some of that in my Pyramid PC video a couple years ago
I've seen quite a couple of old games run better under Linux than under modern Windows.
@@HappyBeezerStudios this is also my experience. A lot of things run better with WINE than modern windows. There are some niche, niche programs I have trouble with (i.e. The Sims 3 Create a World), but I'm much happier with Linux and WINE than I have been with windows since 7.
I didn't have the same one but had an acer revo nettop, was a dual core atom with 2gb ram, started with windows 2000 but then got a new pc and so it got repurposed as a linux machine which used to play unreal tournament 2004 nicely enough, then repurposed again into a Linux server which ran home file server, web server, teamspeak server, irc server, vpn server, minidlna server, thing was A beast, was being used up till about a year ago when I moved and now have something bigger.
Loved it and still have it sat right next to me too.
love this vid thankyou ♥♥♥
You really got to wonder what has to happen so an OS becomes infected with that much crap as if it were a grandpa-PC parody.
Love that omnipresent techguy-head, though. Its almost like a desktop pet.
Looks like tons of preinstalled bloatware.
@@HappyBeezerStudios that's all the scam software you've get from advertisements and pop ups at the time. I used to fix tons of computers around that time and this was the standard state (or worse) they'd arrive in.
A PC shop would not put driver optimizers and PC scanner software on a PC.
@@volvo09 And they are notoriously hard to eliminate. At one time Malwarebytes and Spybot S&D were really good tools, And scamware would make it impossible to reach those sites. Sometimes even forcing a redirect to its own site, 95% of the time of course Safemode with Networking hit the spot(I did phone support so unlike onsite there was no option to do offline safemode and carry a USB or CD with a set of cleaning tools).
You are a true history keeper!
Oh no way! We used almost this exact model as an all-in-one embedded device for a work thing. Getting those Atom video drivers to work on Linux was horrendous.
Lowkey want to get one of these now for late 90s/early 2000s games. Thanks Clint.
Did you change the thermal paste and/or pads, if it didn't throttle it wouldn't make a difference performance wise, but considering what the FLIR showed it might have been pretty toasty in there?
I really enjoy videos like this.
I used one of this, combina from Shuttle directly rather than this brand, on the place I worked (I am a software debeloper). We programmed an app that was designed to run on those PCs. They were excelent machines, at least for what we used them. I remember that we booted them from SD cards and not ssd. That was circa 2014 though. Your video bringed me memories of that at least.
Pd: I think you are a mind reader. As soon as I was thinking "can they run Crysis", that section of the video started 😂
Now this is something from 2011/12 standards.
This is awesome. I work near their last location and the Goodwill you got this from is about 5 minutes from where I live! I love that Goodwill.
Wait…is 2011 retro now? I’m getting old…
No, it's not. I thought the definition of retro was at least 20 years.
I don't really consider it retro, just... really outdated. Give it another five to ten years and I'm sure we'll start seeing retro reviews of 2011 machines
@@LGR Linus Tech Tips already on it with their recent video about "old" DirectX 11 video cards like the "old" AMD Radeon HD 7870 and R7 cards. 🙄 I really hate how patronizing they are whenever they talk about products from the past 5 years or more.
Your intro to every video is truly the best on YT. I click on every video just to hear the smooth beats and keyboard sounds at the beginning.
I have the same one (not Sassy's), only with more powerful hardware including CPU and Radeon GPU and upgraded by me SSD, bluray drive and RAM. Great XP machine. For me it is a super cool small system.
I did try to install Windows 98SE on it, but I failed.
Thanks for the video!
I built a silent mini PC from a Zotac motherboard with the same D525 CPU and a really early 64GB SSD. This ran WInamp as a music server in my van, which I remotely controlled from a Bluetooth app on my Symbian phone, then later over Wifi with Android. The audio quality was far better than anything I could achieve with bluetooth or headphone out from a phone. I installed a PicoPSU which accepted 6-24v so it would run off a car battery. This little PC put up with all the vibrations, heat and humidity changes that a vehicle put it through, yet only drew 14 Watts of energy from the car battery, so it would run all day with the engine off if needed.
I want to give everyone a sense of scale when talking about Sassy's. I live near Charlotte, I have for most of my life, wich is about a 2-3 hour drive from Asheville. I have never heard of Sassy's before this video. Granted I was only about 9-10 years old when this was being made, and had far more important issues to deal with, like the fact the Zane was a robot
Love it! I've got an Acer Revo 1600 and a Revo RL80. Fun tiny little buggers great for running old stuff without the giant desktop footprint. The RL80 stand doubles as a VESA mount for that unit. Fun stuff indeed!
Holy shit Clint, you just unlocked a memory with that Hyperbole clip. Thanks!
I bought one of these around 2010/2011. Running Windows 7 just fine since I didn't have a bunch of crap installed. I ran it as a HTPC using XBMC connected to my TV. Even did an SSD upgrade back then too and enjoyed the total silence! It's been collecting dust for a while now, but if I ever need a PC based server for some basic 24/7 operation, I'll be using it again. No fans and low power make it perfect for that!
Gday Clint. Came back to this video having spent the last couple weeks playing around with a couple of Shuttle XPCs I had stashed away. I’d never even heard of that Nvidia Ion video chip before. Almost sounds like the Atom GPU equivalent before they went down the ARM/Tegra route.
Have you played with one of the more fully fledged XPCs? These were *the* LAN party machine to have back in the day. So much smaller that the full tower behemoth (and corresponding 21” Trinitron) that I used to lug around.
I loved my Shuttle SN95G5 rocking a Athlon 64 3500+ and a X800 XT PE, dragged that to many lans, was great making the trip from the car in one go.
Getting the maximum from the minimum is always interesting! Thanks a lot for the video!
I used to have a similar system from that time. It was an even more compact Lenovo, with the dual Atom + Ion combo, which I had bought on sale from Fry's. The first thing I did once I took it out of the box was replace the hard drive with a 64 GB SSD and install Windows 7 32 from scratch. It came with a compact wireless keyboard/mouse remote and I had it hooked up to the main TV. It was good enough to run Kodi and a few retro games.
Your fascination with alliteration is worthy of admiration!
The faster RAM module wasn't compatible because it was DDR3L ram which runs at 1.35V. This system requires a 1.5V DDR3 ram module.
Hey, recently found a netbook with basically the same hardware! Cool to see it packed into a tiny desktop.
As a resident of the Carolinas, it often feels like there's not much in the way of computer history here. Its nice to know that Clint is always covering what little there is
Pouring one out for Sassy’s for such a long run as a small business in the tech field. o7
Looks like a nice emulation station with a couple of controllers.
I LOVE the history behind this. so fun to go back!
Have been enjoying the videos for a long time. Just wanted to say this channel is really soothing for my anxiety and love the content. You and Ashens really spark my interest in the old, retro and wacky.
Thank you, I’m glad they’ve been helpful in any way at all :)
They seemed to really want to hide that this was a Shuttle OEM Case. It looks like they took a razer free hand to remove part of the manufacturing label. They removed the section mentioning that it was a shuttle made device.
Couldn’t afford a straight edge either.
What makes you think Sassys did that and not the original owner?
@@lightly-red-huedmaleindivi6266 the original owner probably wouldn't be invested in making the case look fully white Box.
What a funky little machine. Honestly, I love the form factor of this even better than the modern small form factor PCs, like the NUC and similar.
God, the commercial being peak NC is way too accurate. All of our local commercials are exactly like that even to this day.
Ah yes another calm lgr video is what i needed to start my weekend
Sir I think I have watched every video you have released for the last year... They have all been gold.
Thank you, it's been a fun year!
2:35 So that's what Mr Clean was doing before he got into cleaning products - clean pcs!
The major selling point of the ion gpu was its hardware video decoding capacity for hd video! I actually built a few htpc around a similar configuration at that time. Too bad the ion + atom duo was so short lived thought. The next atom generation was actually worse because it lacked that hardware decoding capacity and was still far from being able to handle it in software. Motherboard with ion gpu stayed popular for quite some time, they became actually more expensive than newer atom motherboard for some time.