Radius Pivot: The Rotating CRT Monitor from 1991 [LGR Oddware]
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- Taking a look at the Radius Pivot Full Page Display! You might've seen monochrome Radius Portrait displays for the Mac, which were permanently mounted sideways. But not the Pivot! It's an SVGA color computer monitor that rotates 90 degrees for a vertical display in Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS.
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@@JamesPacardo noone cares
Of course
Love it. 👾💕
I care
I may not be deaf, but I still love my subtitles. Thanks a trillion for consistently putting subtitles in your videos!!👍
Quite welcome!
Subtitles rock!
Not a fan of CC but subtitles make any content better for me.
Something's missing when they're not there.
It's the "statically discharged laugh" -like additions that make it essential to run subtitles on LGR videos.
@@LGR It's better for non English speaker (anyway your pronunciation already understandable even without CC). It's also help me alot because I'd prefer play +10 min video at 2x speed
@@LGR I am almost deaf though. So I thank you as well!
The diagonal line visible on the screen when it's rotated is from the camera's rolling shutter catching the CRT's electron beam. It's a horizontal line when the CRT is in landscape, and it has a weird diagonal tearing effect while it's being rotated. Neat.
I sold one of these to an engineer at Apple in Cupertino a couple years ago. He was sort of secretly building out a weird museum of vintage apple hardware at the infinite loop campus and running original software and programs through all this stuff. He had to figure out how to get the pivot monitor to play nice with the old Macintoshes without any software floppies. He couldn’t send me pictures but it was awesome to see that there was a weird unofficial skunkworks at Apple goofing around with vintage oddware on the company dime.
That is really interesting! Wonder if it's still around today...
Wasn't radius Apple's "go-to" OEM for Mac accessories at one point?
They had one at school in the Desktop Publishing class in the early 90s on a Mac. I can't remember if it rotated automatically, but I though it did.
In some of the keynote videos Apple has done in the past year, we see shots in an engineering lab (unclear if it's real or a set, or at least staged) where some old Mac products are seen in the background on shelves.
@@Muldrf The Mac one was a lot more elegant -- just about anything made for a Mac II or later worked great.
12:09 The diagonal artifact line is due to the fact that the refresh of the monitor is still horizontal (right to left when in vertical position) so it messes up with the camera horizontal rolling shutter (up to down).
I do love how smoothly the CRT monitor rotates from landscape to portrait mode and back, and how it fades out and fades in the image while switching from one display mode to the other.
Yeah, it looks like it works better than my phone.
@@DapperProf Glad I'm not the only one shaking it like Etch A Sketch to see it if turns.
Works surprisingly better than fumbling with a modern flimsy monitor, then manually rotating the image and watching open windows going into a full panic mode.
I love how they thought to knock out the corner so it doesn't impact the base when rotating
What? You say this as if it isn't just an obvious necessity for a rotating monitor. If it had the full corner, it wouldn't work.
@@gmansplit I have lots of rotating (flat panel) monitors, none have a knocked out corner. Most you have to max the height on the stand and/or tilt the monitor back to clear the base while rotating it. I haven't ever owned a rotating CRT so I don't know if a knocked out corner was standard for rotating CRTs, but it is unique from my perspective.
My mother worked in a civil engineering firm in the 80's and 90's and I remember they had a few of them and I thought they were the coolest thing ever.
I'm still a sucker for monitors that do this for some reason. Love seeing a document fully present on the screen.
The problem is that it becomes harder to keep it perfectly centered as time goes on.
"Someone go make a Pivot Doom for DOS from a source port" - Oh no. What have you done? What have you done, Clint!?!
let's go a step further and get DOOM RPG working on that.
Pivot DOOM on three monitors pivoted for the full experience! I forget, can DOOM support more than 3 natively?
I like that you have technology connections on in the background.
Glad I wasn't the only one to notice
just saw the lantern and i had to look twice to be sure
2 excellent gents
Time stamp?
Dietz Nuts!
The most amazing thing is how they designed the logo to work regardless of what direction the screen is oriented. That's a really nice touch.
Small things like this easily shows quality at a glance.
Haha so true!
Our highschool's computer lab had these but for Macintosh tho, it was really neat for page layout when using the word processor
Interesting illusion there: almost "square" looking monitor turns into a thin smartphone when rotated 90°.
How is it named?
It really does, I agree.
Similar to looking at 7-segment display after rotating upside down, seems more diagonal than normal.
Wonder if it's partially to do with the fact that our eyes have a larger field of view horizontally then virtually?
@@kaitlyn__L iPhones up to 4S were 2:3
Watched this video on my smartphone with “orientation-lock” enabled, so that I could pivot my screen in sync with LGR.
real pro tip is always in the comments
Who needs virtual reality when you have real reality? 🤣
You mean you don't just always have that feature turned on so you can pivot your screen smoothly?
This has to be one of the coolest CRTs I've ever seen. I wish they would make a comeback.
Why would you want a chunky monitor in a modern setup?
Windows will rotate the screen with the keyboard CTRL+ALT+ with the up arrow resetting to normal.
@@92kosta Because they're cool. Thin LCDs are lame and without character.
@@92kosta CRTs just look really good.
I remember these monitors well. I was working as a tech in a college computer lab and configured a room for AutoCAD and Pagemaker using these displays. They replaced a bunch of dedicated B&W portrait-only displays with their own special VGA cards.
I have Such a great appreciation for LGR. I'm 31 years old and grew up in the era of computers when you would buy a top of the line system and the following week it would be obsolete. It was a great time in tech innovation. Because of your content I have been restoring and preserving old tech I also have a large collection of retro games on display in a dedicated room. I love this hobby and I just wanted to say thanks for the Inspiration!
Thank you, I'm glad to hear it :)
I had no idea Radius did IBM/PC compatible hardware. Always thought they focused on macintosh related stuff due to them being comprised of ex-apple employees. righteous stuff.
I think I have 1 or 2 Radius Nubus graphics cards.
Yeah I had one of these monitors for my Mac. Didn’t know they supported PCs too
It sort of makes sense because at the time the Windows PC was dominant at the time as since the monitor video input tech isn’t isn’t that difficult to adapt between Mac and PC at that time (you just needed a slightly different monitor plug on the PC and support this monitors default refresh rates on your PC video Card), the only real issue would be writing driver/utility software for this monitor to support auto rotation of the screen image as you manually rotate the physical monitor case. That really wasn’t that difficult to do as I understand it. Large software porting or hardware porting is much more expensive for any company that started out as Mac only back in the 80s and early 90s which meant a lot more Mac software/hardware company focused only on the Mac unless they (or there investors) really saw a big market justifying the cost. The same was true of DOS/Windows PC software/hardware manufacturers back then too with many being DOS/Windows PC only.
I wonder if it worked with the Mac clones Radius briefly made.
@@IrishCarney oh I’m sure it did with the hack utility!
the refresh changing when you change orientation signals an interesting thing - in both orientations, it draws the electron beam in the same pattern: left to right, then one line down, then left to right, again, and so on. The scan lines are always horizontal. That's a neat little feature, imo.
3:20 - I see that Technology Connections video in the corner, Clint... I see you're a Deitz Nut as well ;)
Came here looking for this exact comment! LOL!
We are all deitz nuts
Bofa Deez monitors! ;)
Came here to make that same comment, but you beat me to it.
I mean, he's left comments on a bunch of Alec's videos
The fade in/out when switching orientation is quite amazing!
“Cool Crab 😎 🦀 at his absolute vertically coolest” made my day.
I worked in a college computer center in 1993 and the schools PR department had an office full of Macs and Radius pivot monitors so they could write documents in word perfect and edit photos in photoshop for designing advertising pamphlets. This brought back good memories.
I could see vertical SHMUP fans losing their minds over this.
Can confirm, I play ikaruga with a monitor that does this and it's waaaay better in portrait
The question is, is it pronounced 'tate' or 'tate'?
imagine huge list of shmups we can go easily from rtype hori to dodonpachi tate. damn!
Sadly I doubt one of these would survive the trip to my country lol
My brother keeps a tv mounted portrait just for shmups
Me: What the heck is that line on my screen? *goes to wipe it away*
LGR: "The rolling diagonal line isn't visible in person"
Me: Oh
I legitimately though the monitor's screen was cracked... Until the line started shifting.
@@LordShrub same
We gotta get Game Sack in on this. He'd blow his mind over the TTAAAATEEE MOODDDDEEE capabilities!
God dammit - I was about to make this comment. TATE MODE IS THE BEST
literally yelled TATE MOOOOOOOODE after LGR said tate
I think he pronounced it wrong though because the screen didn't shake violently
lol. Love that you watch Technology Connections, and of course why not - great channels, both!
Came here to post that at 3:18
They are all connected
@@Blast1314 Through technology.
Aww, came to post it...
I always confuse his channel name with Techmoan. But all are quality channels and I've learned so much about weird tech things from them.
I’ve got two widescreens rotated vertically in either side of my Latitude 5500 at work. Most useful thing ever, and it kills me that Dell killed off the rotating stand AND made the newer monitors directly incompatible with the older stands. But you can hack them a bit.
A winery that I printed for in the mid-90's had 3 17" rotating CRT monitors in their graphic design department. That company had bank.
Edit: They were running either Quark (3.3) or Pagemaker (5ish) at the time on PC's which was not the norm for the era. So many font issues but, cool monitors.
Ewww yuck, Quark. Just had to buy the 2020 version cause the new iMac doesn't support the 2018 version (I swear they do it on purpose). Already having font issues, lol.
@@Gatorade69 At that point in time you had Quark or Pagemaker. Pagemaker was fine for sell sheets, business cards & letterhead. It was terrible for putting together a 32pg book compared to Quark. 3.3 & 4 weren't bad but, then came InDesign.
@@raycreveling1583 Yeah I think the RIP we had at my old job couldn't even accept InDesign file types so we had to use Quark.
Consider this your obligatory PIVAT reference.
Nice to see you here.
TURN
I did NOT expecte this guy to be here.
You know what? I'm gonna keep the extra e after expect there.
Claw daddy!
ClawDad
Computer Reset keeps on giving, it will be sad day when it’s finally empty.
I would say a good day when it's empty, all the good stuff saved and not let to rot or be landfilled
i wish i could go to Computer Reset but i live in Central America, and with travel restriction + insane shipping rates it makes impossible for me.
@@Crixer234 Don't feel bad. I'm on the other side of Texas and I'll still probably never see it in person.
So true, it was so cool to see it all unfold though. There will never be another find like that, given the areas and the warehouses connection to the industry.
@@Crixer234 Crying in Eastern Europe :D
I like how you were watching technology connections latern video in the background lol its really cool to see that all the youtubers i watch supporting each other
The most impressive thing about this to me is how smooth and easy the rotation looks, maybe because CRTs are so heavy so there's more counterbalancing effect. Rotating an LCD still makes it feel flimsy even after 20 years of some LCDs being able to do it.
My Dell 2001FP LCD monitor is anything but flimsy. It also weighs almost 20 pounds or 9 kg.
It's because most modern monitors cost less than 1000 dollars. High end monitors will likely have smooth pivot mechanism if it have one.
^^ If anyone was willing to pay for well-engineered devices, we would have more of them. :-)
@@nickwallette6201 sadly, not everyone in this world have that priviledge. Even if they wanted to.
@@nickwallette6201 I'd say it's a matter of scope, not quality of engineering.
I remember my mom had these at her work back in the days.. I was really amazed by it then and still is. What a marble! Thanks for the flashback! 😁
The specific sound of that particular type of plastic squeaking brings back so many memories. I was the computer kid, and almost every CRT I ever installed made that same squeaking sound when adjusted on its base. 🥰
"I have tried lubricating it in multiple different ways" -LGR 2021 ;)
Lmao
Forgive the Squeaky
😳😳😂😂
That's what she said!
Ok, I'll see myself out.
Having a secondary vertical monitor is really nice. It's worth giving it a shot. Having one was super handy to have, not just for the obvious benefits of a second monitor, but it's ideal if you need to frequently reference a document or something while you work in the main monitor.
That would be awesome for arcade emulation.
@@rooneye Yeah I have an android box that does that for vertically oriented android games so that you don't have to rotate the TV.
the wood look on that pc tower fills me with so much happy. I mean I do feel that wood veneer like that is cheap looking, but I just love it so much.
This looks like something that would be great to use with a Xerox Star/Alto emulator.
Also Vectrex
Lots of arcade games are in portrait too.
I remember these things being the absolute pinnacle of desirable doodahs back in the 1990s. I actually saved up for one, but then they suddenly weren't available in the Netherlands any longer.
The amount of times that "Pivot" is said here, matches the amount in that episode of Friends when they are trying to get that sofa up the stairs.
They did end up breaking that from too much pivot.
I saw that Technology Connections “Hurricane Lamp” ep playing on your tablet there, sir! (was a good ep, I learned things!) This is a good ep too! Never new Radius made this!
"LGR THINGS AND FARTS AND PORTRAIT MODE BALLS"
Such a great wordsmith. 😆
and 'unscrupulous nonsense.' that already made a comeback, though.
This is the same guy who had a screensaver that read "PENISES" XD
@@Fuzy2K Yes, I remember that one. 😆
The shot of you on camera is real nice dude. Not your usual angle/location, it was refreshing. Cheers!
"one megabyte of V-Ram on board"
I had to think about that for a second to let it sink in.
I had 512kB VGA card in first PC. Wolf3D was loading about 10 seconds, but worked great.
My stupid brain tells me that the monitor is square in horizontal orientation, but rectangular in vertical orientation.
Lol
The resolution is 3:4, so it is indeed a rectangle.
This is WAY ahead of it's time! Meanwhile today it's totally normal to have vertical monitors either for productivity or as simple as reading discord chat.
I haven't seen a modern monitor that will detect being rotated and signal the drivers to automatically switch orientations. It wouldn't be too hard to do, and I'm sure they exist, I just haven't seen them.
@@StarkRG that should be super easy to implement with HDMI and Display Port being bidirectional, just need an accelerometer in the monitor to sense orientation.
@@StarkRG probably due to use cases. Modern usage rarely switch between portrait and landscape on a single display. Most people that use vertical screen have 2 monitors. One stays landscape the other portrait.
I grew up in the 90's and my dad was just getting into computers during that time too. He loved Macs and so we always had tons of different Mac gear over the years that he bought and sold from his Mac friends. We had many Radius expansion cards over the years which were usually the highlights of the systems they were in but the coolest one by far was the Color Pivot for the SE/30. As far as I remember, the Color Pivot was one of very few ways to get any sort of color output from an SE/30. It was so cool that he never sold it, most of the other stuff has been sold over the years. He moved recently but AFAIK he brought the Pivot and SE/30 with him (amongst a few other select favorite computers and accessories). I bet he has enough retro Mac goodies in his collection still that he could start a pretty successful YT channel if he wasn't so busy all the time.
I always loved seeing this thing in action and didn't even know there was a Windows/DOS version. I have quite a few memories from back in the day of telling people about this monitor and they were always amazed and wanted one. Thanks for the vid!
Me: Turns on captions
LGR: Laughs in SVGA
Clint's captions and subtitles are always as entertaining as the rest of the video.
I was on my way to comment on the subs. Losing my hearing sucks, but I always get a grin from Clint's captions.
6:00 ...the clicky power switch. [power switches clickily]
I noticed that iPad with the Technology Connections lantern video on while you were rotating the monitor with the picture of parrots. You have good taste Clint!
3:18 Hm, now I'm wondering if Technology Connections watches LGR while shooting B-roll ;)
He's def. mentioned LGR in videos in the past.
What a neat little thing lol. I don't quite understand computer things, but I love watching your videos and I know so much more about tech because of you :) your shirt is very snazzy btw
I was like "Why is this oddware, monitors can pivot since forever" and then it hit me.. a CRT with pivot 😮
And it's a better pivot than modern pivots. The screen orientation switches by itself.
@@ScarfmonsterWR You can change a setting in most OS's to have them do that, but the general advice is not to unless you like random orientation switches.
I can't get enough of that fade transition, this thing is just so sharply designed for the time.
We need a Duke3d port!
"Pivot, baby!"
"Hail to the pivot, baby!" :P
The blunted/cut-off corner of the monitor reminds me of the old Nook Colour tablets that Barnes & Noble sold in the early 2010s (they weren't completely cut there, a frame wrapped around the corner, which was very handy to attach a wrist strap)
When I'm panicking at work. I know you always have my back
My mother had one of these monitors for her Mac that she used for her home Typesetting business. I remember how easy it was to rotate, and playing Storymantion on it. It was a fixture in our living room for many many years, and when she had to upgrade to an iMac it was short lived because she was so used to the convenience of the Radius monitor, so we crossed over to a G3 tower to bring the nice setup back and sold the brand new iMac. For QuarkXpress it was an indispensable accessory. Good times, memories.
It sounds like it inherited the squeak from the foam it was packed in.
I really like your videos they are so relaxing and informative! Thank you!
There's the cool crab content we've all been craving.
crabing*
OH MY TOWER! Sim Tower was hands down my favourite game of my childhood. I get shivers at the intro tune! I am fully aware of the size limit of the window. I bump into it on modern hardware. Funny thing, I was thinking of Sim Tower the whole time then you go and open it. i would love a portrait ,ode in that game.
I see a Technology Connections cameo. 3:17
Nice Hurricane lantern. :D
I had several Macintosh Radius Pivots back in the day that connected through ADB in addition to the D-15 video connector. They worked perfectly with the standard video card and a Radius Pivot driver.
Born in 91. That was made in 91. Clint telling me I'm 30...
If it makes you feel any better, I'm less than two weeks older than the IBM PC.
Always like the jazz music used. Makes things really classy
Paying 3k+ for a GPU and monitor combo isn't even that weird in 2021
Well... my first ever monitor was a 18.5'' flat screen, then I had a replacement 17'' crt, then a 19'' 5:4 lcd monitor, later a 21.5'' 1080p monitor... and now I got a cheap 24'' lcd tv as a display
Well that brought up memories.
I used to be a service tech at Computerland back then. Delivered, set up, and serviced these.
Clint, I want your Hawaiian shirt as a 16 colour Windows background.
That feel when you see Technology Connections playing on a tablet during the video 3:19
Oooh, I'd love a collaboration
ikr
I saw that sneaky Technology Connections video. Glad there's a shared fan base.
I'm glad you take the time to discuss this stuff and archive it here. So much of this stuff would be lost to time if not. Thanks :D
Feels a little bit like this video is lacking the Solitaire finishing animation in portrait.
Crap. Missed opportunities.
@@LGR One missed LGR gag is another Blerb!
@@LGR _[Mumbles something about TH-cam's __#shorts__ thingy]_
@@asmqb7222 #shorts on LGR Blerbs!
"Forgive the Squeaky"
I would rather have non-changing refresh rates than no squeaky sounds from turning it. 😉
Me: It rotates, cool.
Clint: *rotates the monitor*
Computer: *reorients automatically*
Me: OK, now THAT is cool!
You are awesome bro. Your vids bring me back and make me want to turn on and play with my old computer again. Even when I have like every retro game and modern game known to man almost I could just fuck around in DOS after watching this.
This monitor was ahead of its time.
"it's neat when it works" - that could be the definition of playing with vintage computers
I JUST bought a rotating display at Goodwill a few days ago! It wasn't a CRT, but since then I've been in a "rotating" mood.
Nice collab with Technology Connections at 3:19 💃🏻 looking forward to more!
Oh mama! That would have been the bees knees during those late night Mirc sessions!
Now that's an acronym I haven't heard in a while.
@@BenHelweg He he yeah, i like to imagine all the new apps and whatnot are running with it as a base, so that in a sense we are all still Mirc´in
@@mrdeathscrn last I heard, twitch chat is still IRC based- and discord has a lot of echoes of IRC in it too. It lives on...
@@Charky_Creations oh I see! Thanks for the heads up! Good to see that it hangs around.
I used IRC for the longest time... I remember I used to download hacked version of mirc modded with different stuff like ASCII art buttons, tools to find IP addresses, spammers, etc.
I'm 43 and we had ONE of those exact rotating monitors in our computer lab in 1993-1994-1995'ish and that machine was also connected to the new dial up internet. The other 12 computers just had the 15" Trident Monitors and no internet access.
You should have filmed in portrait whenever the monitor was in portrait just for shits and giggles and to make certain people freakout 😅
When I recently bought a new pc screen i specifically looked for a rotating one, and it really kills its practicality that i have to manually go to the settings every time I want to rotate the screen. Would really appreciate this same functionality today. Really cool product overall!
4:3 rotated messes with my head. It looks more widescreen.
The vertical vs horizontal optical illusion. Vertical lines look "taller" than horizontal ones do "wide". Has to do with our eyes/vision being laid out horizontally.
@@Cooe. really?
I see your sneaky technology connections watching and I approve
Rubber duck forgets your birthday:
" Forgive the squeaky".
Campus newspaper had one in college for one of their Macs. Damn cool back then.
And shout out to Technology Connections @3:20!
Everything about this monitor is cool.. even the squakiness! :)
I had this playing in the background so I could get a yogurt from the kitchen and all the sudden I hear SQUEAK!
I used to have one of those! My mother was a teacher at a little private school for kids with learning disabilities, and they had a bunch of donor Macintoshes that I volunteered to keep maintained. There was a Radius tilt monitor hooked up to a Power Mac 7200. When a few more hand-me-down Macs and monitors got donated they wanted to clear out some of the older machines so I took home a Quadra 700 and the Radius monitor (and the video card) to fool around with. Good times.
fair warning, portrait mode is an addiction even with modern displays.
I'm surprised wide is as popular as it is. Anything but video and games is wonderful.
I ran with two portraits for a bit but went back to a single landscape for playing games. If you have multiple screens doing the pivot is a hassle (things get in the way) and if you have a single screen having two windows side by side is more useful than one windows portrait. But it depends on your workflow ofc
I found a more modern version of this at a thrift store. So cool that the concept existed back then. The longways is really nice for web browsing or coding as a secondary monitor
Another glorious Friday! Thank you Clint.
Hi Clint! I have a tip for you: Use a dry bar of soap to prevent squeaking. Lubricate movable parts with dry soap, just as you would wax a ski. :)
1:02 Awesome timing. You did that on purpose didn't you? =)
I a Radius monochrome rotating monitor when I was the editor of the Columbus (Wis.) Journal September 1993 to May 1994. This was connected to a Macintosh computer. Being able to pivot was a handy feature when I was doing typesetting using Aldus Page Maker. The Columbus Journal was part of Citizen Publishing of Beaver Dam, Wis. Citizen Publishing used exclusively Macintosh equipment. I was primarily used to using DOS technology on PCs.
Can you play Gradius on a radius? This hardware would be a dream if it works with arcade style Shooter.
Goodness Gradius on a Rotating Radius!
Probably wouldn't want to, since Gradius is a horizontal shooter.
You'd probably want to play Xevious on a radius, though!
If I’m not mistaken, that keyboard in the background of your intro, is an NEC APC H412 right?
I know one when I see one, I’ve been daily driving mine since I pulled it from the recycling and restored it all the way back in high school. Very cool to see :)
i could actually imagine having this to this day
I have a 17" Dell LCD (2010-ish) that rotates like this, but you have to manually rotate the image in windows